Re: Possible broken link: Checksums

2014-09-06 Thread Marcus (OOo)

Am 09/06/2014 03:40 AM, schrieb George Lim:

Please advise when I can safely accept that update has been achieved
without closing the page.


when the download has ended normally it should be all.

Additionally you can check that the file size is at least fitting 
roughly: compare the file size on your PC with the on in the green 
download box.


Finally, you can check the hash value(s) on the webpage you are at the 
moment: checksums. ;-)


HTH

Marcus

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Re: Forward planning for OO 5.0

2014-09-06 Thread Andrea Pescetti

On 05/09/2014 Vladislav Stevanovic wrote:

- Word Count to view the word count at any given time in Status bar


Ariel maintains an extension for that at
http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/word-count-statusbar-controller


- Good features (for non-English country) is ability to download more than
one language package for UI and Help system. There is often problem when
somebody want to switch from  local language to English or vice versa.
Sometimes is problem to understand local therm in translated UI and what if
you do not have Internet connection to download another version (or simply
you have not time for that)?


This is already possible, you can download and install as many language 
packs as you wish. Do you mean you want them in one executable?



- Calc has not support Iferror function. Maybe also another function is
there out what Calc do not support. If we want to offer alternative for
Office, well we must have all function


This is one of the features that are realistically suitable for new 
volunteers (even though this one would need mentoring too).


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: Forward planning for OO 5.0

2014-09-06 Thread Vladislav Stevanovic
On 05/09/2014 Vladislav Stevanovic wrote:

 - Word Count to view the word count at any given time in Status bar


Ariel maintains an extension for that at
http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/word-count-statusbar-controller
http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/word-count-statusbar-controller

Not as extension. To be a part of intalation file of AOO.



 - Good features (for non-English country) is ability to download more
 than
 one language package for UI and Help system. There is often problem when
 somebody want to switch from  local language to English or vice versa.
 Sometimes is problem to understand local therm in translated UI and what
 if
 you do not have Internet connection to download another version (or
 simply
 you have not time for that)?


This is already possible, you can download and install as many language
packs as you wish. Do you mean you want them in one executable?

All languages should be in installation file. Then, when process of
installation starts, application will ask user what languages want to using
(if they want a few, or all of them, user will mark). There will be no need
in a future for download language pack separately. This solution is simpler.

Regards,
Wlada



2014-09-06 11:54 GMT+02:00 Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org:

 On 05/09/2014 Vladislav Stevanovic wrote:

 - Word Count to view the word count at any given time in Status bar


 Ariel maintains an extension for that at
 http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/word-count-
 statusbar-controller

  - Good features (for non-English country) is ability to download more than
 one language package for UI and Help system. There is often problem when
 somebody want to switch from  local language to English or vice versa.
 Sometimes is problem to understand local therm in translated UI and what
 if
 you do not have Internet connection to download another version (or simply
 you have not time for that)?


 This is already possible, you can download and install as many language
 packs as you wish. Do you mean you want them in one executable?

  - Calc has not support Iferror function. Maybe also another function is
 there out what Calc do not support. If we want to offer alternative for
 Office, well we must have all function


 This is one of the features that are realistically suitable for new
 volunteers (even though this one would need mentoring too).

 Regards,
   Andrea.


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OpenFormula Alignment (was RE: Forward planning for OO 5.0)

2014-09-06 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
A good source for volunteer effort is exploration of the alignment between 
Calc, ODF 1.2 OpenFormula, and other ODF Spreadsheet supporting implementations 
such as Excel 2013 and Gnumeric.

This would isolate and identify provisions of ODF 1.2 OpenFormula, such as 
IFERROR 
http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/v1.2/os/OpenDocument-v1.2-os-part2.html#__RefHeading__1018448_715980110,
 that may not yet be supported.  There may be others that variances and 
boundaries that need to be dealt with or at least specified as 
implementation-dependent/defined for Apache OpenOffice.  

This is a rich avenue for documentation, testing, and interoperability 
verification as well as learning how to integrate/maintain formula processing 
in Apache OpenOffice Calc.

Regina Henschel is a valuable resource in this area.

 - Dennis

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Subject: Re: Forward planning for OO 5.0

On 05/09/2014 Vladislav Stevanovic wrote:
[ ... ]

 - Calc has not support Iferror function. Maybe also another function is
 there out what Calc do not support. If we want to offer alternative for
 Office, well we must have all function

This is one of the features that are realistically suitable for new 
volunteers (even though this one would need mentoring too).

Regards,
   Andrea.

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Re: Forward planning for OO 5.0

2014-09-06 Thread Guy Waterval
Hi Vladislav,

2014-09-06 15:12 GMT+02:00 Vladislav Stevanovic 
stevanovicvladis...@gmail.com:

 On 05/09/2014 Vladislav Stevanovic wrote:

 All languages should be in installation file. Then, when process of
 installation starts, application will ask user what languages want to using
 (if they want a few, or all of them, user will mark). There will be no need
 in a future for download language pack separately. This solution is
 simpler.


In theory, it's effectively a nice solution. But in practice, due to bad
internet connections in some countries, it wouldn't be very fair for those
people.
Moreover, if the different language packs are not ready together it's also
a problem to build the executable. Not sure it could be feasable.

Only my opinion, of course.

A+
-- 
gw





Re: native-lang.html suggestions now in staging...

2014-09-06 Thread Andrea Pescetti

On 03/08/2014 Kay Schenk wrote:

http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/projects/native-lang-new.html


I see work on this has stopped, but the page was rather OK and a good 
replacement for

http://www.openoffice.org/projects/native-lang.html


Ok, back to these ideas above. In my mind --
maintained - current, and current - maintained so these are one in the
same from a logical standpoint despite nuances in definition.
In a similar fashion, outdated - unmaintained - help wanted.


Help wanted is much clearer to people who are casually scanning the 
page and who are, in most cases, not native English speakers. So I tried 
to implement that. Similarly, I changed Distribution into OpenOffice 
availability since I find it clearer for non-native speakers.



So why not just call it unmaintained and provide some further
explanation by what is meant by this versus a separate entry in the table.


I completed the table with the recommended workflow for updating a 
translation.



Mostly, I am just trying to keep the maintenance and general
understanding of this page simpler for everybody.


I think it's pretty good now. Any other fixes to do before we replace 
the old native-lang.html with this one?


Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: native-lang.html suggestions now in staging...

2014-09-06 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On 9/6/14, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote:
 On 03/08/2014 Kay Schenk wrote:
 http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/projects/native-lang-new.html

 I see work on this has stopped, but the page was rather OK and a good
 replacement for
 http://www.openoffice.org/projects/native-lang.html

I never got any final approval on the sortable table, the js is there,
is just about connecting it. The same can be said to the font awesome.


 Ok, back to these ideas above. In my mind --
 maintained - current, and current - maintained so these are one in the
 same from a logical standpoint despite nuances in definition.
 In a similar fashion, outdated - unmaintained - help wanted.

 Help wanted is much clearer to people who are casually scanning the
 page and who are, in most cases, not native English speakers. So I tried
 to implement that. Similarly, I changed Distribution into OpenOffice
 availability since I find it clearer for non-native speakers.

 So why not just call it unmaintained and provide some further
 explanation by what is meant by this versus a separate entry in the
 table.

 I completed the table with the recommended workflow for updating a
 translation.

 Mostly, I am just trying to keep the maintenance and general
 understanding of this page simpler for everybody.

 I think it's pretty good now. Any other fixes to do before we replace
 the old native-lang.html with this one?

 Regards,
Andrea.

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Re: native-lang.html suggestions now in staging...

2014-09-06 Thread Marcus

Am 09/06/2014 05:38 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:

On 03/08/2014 Kay Schenk wrote:

http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/projects/native-lang-new.html


I see work on this has stopped, but the page was rather OK and a good
replacement for
http://www.openoffice.org/projects/native-lang.html


Ok, back to these ideas above. In my mind --
maintained - current, and current - maintained so these are one in the
same from a logical standpoint despite nuances in definition.
In a similar fashion, outdated - unmaintained - help wanted.


Help wanted is much clearer to people who are casually scanning the
page and who are, in most cases, not native English speakers. So I tried
to implement that. Similarly, I changed Distribution into OpenOffice
availability since I find it clearer for non-native speakers.


So why not just call it unmaintained and provide some further
explanation by what is meant by this versus a separate entry in the
table.


I completed the table with the recommended workflow for updating a
translation.


Mostly, I am just trying to keep the maintenance and general
understanding of this page simpler for everybody.


I think it's pretty good now. Any other fixes to do before we replace
the old native-lang.html with this one?


yes, I remember now that there were discussions but IMHO at the end only 
about minor things. So, let's use the new webpage now ad improve over 
the time when something is still unclear.


Marcus


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Re: Desciption of the spell checker engine of OpenOffice

2014-09-06 Thread Andrea Pescetti

On 05/09/2014 Maria Hartmann wrote:

describe how hunspell works because the files I wrote for the
spell checker have no funtionality by there own. Right?


Well, no. Hunspell files are useful in themselves too. Hunspell can be 
used both as a stand-alone command-line tool or as a library. OpenOffice 
embeds Hunspell and can thus use your .dic and .aff files for spell 
checking, but those same files can be used in entirely different 
programs (e.g., Thunderbird) to the same purpose.



Is anybody
here who knows something about a description?


You fill find rather comprehensive information about Hunspell (including 
file format) in PDF files at

http://sourceforge.net/projects/hunspell/files/Hunspell/Documentation/

The code used by OpenOffice to interface with Hunspell is here:
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/trunk/main/lingucomponent/source/spellcheck/spell/

and the OpenOffice customizations to hunspell are here:
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/trunk/ext_libraries/hunspell/

Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: Forward planning for OO 5.0

2014-09-06 Thread Vladislav Stevanovic
Hi Guy,
LO already integrated this solution. I do not see that they have some big
problem with this solution. In the end, we can offer two version: one with
all languages (preferable option), and one version what we have now, to be
sure that someone with poor internet speed can download lighter version.
Maybe persons who lives in country where official language is English can
not understood this problem, because basic language for UI and Help is on
English language. But every others need sometimes to compare some terms in
both local and English language.

Regards,
Wlada


2014-09-06 17:07 GMT+02:00 Guy Waterval waterval@gmail.com:

 Hi Vladislav,

 2014-09-06 15:12 GMT+02:00 Vladislav Stevanovic 
 stevanovicvladis...@gmail.com:

  On 05/09/2014 Vladislav Stevanovic wrote:
 
  All languages should be in installation file. Then, when process of
  installation starts, application will ask user what languages want to
 using
  (if they want a few, or all of them, user will mark). There will be no
 need
  in a future for download language pack separately. This solution is
  simpler.
 

 In theory, it's effectively a nice solution. But in practice, due to bad
 internet connections in some countries, it wouldn't be very fair for those
 people.
 Moreover, if the different language packs are not ready together it's also
 a problem to build the executable. Not sure it could be feasable.

 Only my opinion, of course.

 A+
 --
 gw

 
 



[RELEASE] Updated download links on remaining NL webpages

2014-09-06 Thread Marcus

Hi all,

I've updated the download links on some more NL webpages:

- Greek: http://www.openoffice.org/el/
- Polish: http://www.openoffice.org/pl/product.download.html
- Serbian (Cyrillic): http://www.openoffice.org/sr/preuzmi.html
- Swedish: http://www.openoffice.org/sv/get/

The following NL webpages still need a bigger update:

- Hindi: http://www.openoffice.org/hi/about-downloads.html
- Khmer: http://www.openoffice.org/km/
- Korean: http://www.openoffice.org/ko/
- Norwegian (Bookmal): http://www.openoffice.org/nb/
- Portuguese (Brazilian): http://www.openoffice.org/pt-br/
- Russian: http://www.openoffice.org/ru/about-downloads.html
- Slovenian: http://www.openoffice.org/sl/
- Tamil: http://www.openoffice.org/ta/
- Thai: http://www.openoffice.org/th/
- Vietnamese: http://www.openoffice.org/vi/about-downloads.html

Now all webpages should offer 4.1.1 download links or point to 
http://www.openoffice.org/download/; (somehow).


For a full overview please have a look into the Wiki page:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=42568156

Marcus

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RE: Desciption of the spell checker engine of OpenOffice

2014-09-06 Thread Maria Hartmann
Hey Andrea, 

thank you for the links, I already found and got enough stuff to write an 
overview. 

Regards,
Maria

 Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2014 18:18:32 +0200
 From: pesce...@apache.org
 To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
 Subject: Re: Desciption of the spell checker engine of OpenOffice
 
 On 05/09/2014 Maria Hartmann wrote:
  describe how hunspell works because the files I wrote for the
  spell checker have no funtionality by there own. Right?
 
 Well, no. Hunspell files are useful in themselves too. Hunspell can be 
 used both as a stand-alone command-line tool or as a library. OpenOffice 
 embeds Hunspell and can thus use your .dic and .aff files for spell 
 checking, but those same files can be used in entirely different 
 programs (e.g., Thunderbird) to the same purpose.
 
  Is anybody
  here who knows something about a description?
 
 You fill find rather comprehensive information about Hunspell (including 
 file format) in PDF files at
 http://sourceforge.net/projects/hunspell/files/Hunspell/Documentation/
 
 The code used by OpenOffice to interface with Hunspell is here:
 http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/trunk/main/lingucomponent/source/spellcheck/spell/
 
 and the OpenOffice customizations to hunspell are here:
 http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/trunk/ext_libraries/hunspell/
 
 Regards,
Andrea.
 
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