Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] Move to new Website Git Repositories
Am 15.11.20 um 21:07 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
OK, I see them in Chrome, but not in Firefox. ;-)
Which makes it an even smaller issue...
as I've reported the 2 original issues, I've tested again (Firefox on
Linux) and now I don't see a single pixel that is moving when switching
between both website versions fast. :-)
Thanks for the quick analysis and fix!
Nothing that should stop us now.
+1
@Gavin:
As Andrea already suggested, is it possible to save the current website
[1] and [2] to a temporary domain like "old.*" just to have a reference
when we see further problems?
Then we can better analyse the root cause and fix it - or keep the maybe
better looking layout.
[1] https://www.openoffice.org/
[2] https://openoffice.apache.org/
Thanks
Marcus
Am 15.11.20 um 21:02 schrieb Dave Fisher:
On Nov 15, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Matthias Seidel
wrote:
Hi Dave,
Am 15.11.20 um 20:43 schrieb Dave Fisher:
Hi -
The fix is done. The trouble was that css/ooo.css was overriding css rather
than being overridden.
Now it looks almost identical.
The divider between Blogs and News is missing, but that is *really* a
minor point.
I’m seeing it. Check your vertical scroll. They both are using the same css
from home.css.
#news div.campaign {
min-height: 50px;
width: 90%;
padding: 30px 5% 5px 5%;
margin: 10px 0 0 0;
background: url(/images/campaign-divider.png) no-repeat center top;
clear: right;
}
Best Regards,
Dave
Thanks!
Matthias
Regards,
Dave
On Nov 15, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Dave Fisher wrote:
Hi -
I found the trouble and will be making a fix in about 30 minutes.
Regards,
Dave
On Nov 15, 2020, at 11:13 AM, Matthias Seidel
wrote:
Hi Andrea,
Am 15.11.20 um 20:03 schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
Matthias Seidel wrote:
Yes for openoffice-project.
openoffice-org has some optical glitches that should be ironed out
before.
Same for me (both). So: yes for openoffice-project, not yet for
openoffice-org.
The staged layout for openoffice-org has clear issues. Also,
openoffice-org is so complex that I think we should ask Infra to keep
the current site available at old.openoffice.org (just the fully built
site, no CMS) for comparison for a couple weeks.
Just one fix if you need examples: I've committed a small CSS fix
https://github.com/apache/openoffice-org/commit/6c57bbe4aa8c63a02986283edc67603c923a49ab
that seems to work well (I don't see it online yet) for
https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org
The main and the download page look good to me now regarding layout.
However they use a different font.
https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org/why/why_sme.html
https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org/support/index.html
(three random pages as I miss data from Google Analytics on what is
important), and this is already making quite a difference.
Again, if you want access to Google Analytic, just send me your gmail
address. ;-)
If we identify the top 10 pages and compare them carefully,
openoffice-org may be ready in a matter of days.
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Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] Move to new Website Git Repositories
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> On Nov 15, 2020, at 3:20 PM, Marcus wrote:
>
> Am 15.11.20 um 21:07 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>> OK, I see them in Chrome, but not in Firefox. ;-)
>> Which makes it an even smaller issue...
>
> as I've reported the 2 original issues, I've tested again (Firefox on Linux)
> and now I don't see a single pixel that is moving when switching between both
> website versions fast. :-)
>
> Thanks for the quick analysis and fix!
>
>> Nothing that should stop us now.
>
> +1
>
> @Gavin:
> As Andrea already suggested, is it possible to save the current website [1]
> and [2] to a temporary domain like "old.*" just to have a reference when we
> see further problems?
Perhaps we can just use the Apache CMS staging urls? The CMS does put staged
and production sites into SVN, so ... I think that is enough.
Regards,
Dave
>
> Then we can better analyse the root cause and fix it - or keep the maybe
> better looking layout.
>
> [1] https://www.openoffice.org/
> [2] https://openoffice.apache.org/
>
> Thanks
>
> Marcus
>
>
>
>>> Am 15.11.20 um 21:02 schrieb Dave Fisher:
>>>
On Nov 15, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Matthias Seidel
wrote:
Hi Dave,
Am 15.11.20 um 20:43 schrieb Dave Fisher:
> Hi -
>
> The fix is done. The trouble was that css/ooo.css was overriding css
> rather than being overridden.
Now it looks almost identical.
The divider between Blogs and News is missing, but that is *really* a
minor point.
>>> I’m seeing it. Check your vertical scroll. They both are using the same css
>>> from home.css.
>>>
>>> #news div.campaign {
>>> min-height: 50px;
>>> width: 90%;
>>> padding: 30px 5% 5px 5%;
>>> margin: 10px 0 0 0;
>>> background: url(/images/campaign-divider.png) no-repeat center top;
>>> clear: right;
>>> }
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Dave
>>>
Thanks!
Matthias
> Regards,
> Dave
>
>> On Nov 15, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>
>> Hi -
>>
>> I found the trouble and will be making a fix in about 30 minutes.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>>
>>> On Nov 15, 2020, at 11:13 AM, Matthias Seidel
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Andrea,
>>>
>>> Am 15.11.20 um 20:03 schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
Matthias Seidel wrote:
> Yes for openoffice-project.
> openoffice-org has some optical glitches that should be ironed out
> before.
Same for me (both). So: yes for openoffice-project, not yet for
openoffice-org.
The staged layout for openoffice-org has clear issues. Also,
openoffice-org is so complex that I think we should ask Infra to keep
the current site available at old.openoffice.org (just the fully built
site, no CMS) for comparison for a couple weeks.
Just one fix if you need examples: I've committed a small CSS fix
https://github.com/apache/openoffice-org/commit/6c57bbe4aa8c63a02986283edc67603c923a49ab
that seems to work well (I don't see it online yet) for
https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org
>>> The main and the download page look good to me now regarding layout.
>>> However they use a different font.
https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org/why/why_sme.html
https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org/support/index.html
(three random pages as I miss data from Google Analytics on what is
important), and this is already making quite a difference.
>>> Again, if you want access to Google Analytic, just send me your gmail
>>> address. ;-)
If we identify the top 10 pages and compare them carefully,
openoffice-org may be ready in a matter of days.
>
>
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Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] Move to new Website Git Repositories
Hi Dave,
In the end it was a browser cache issue in Firefox.
After reloading, the staged version is 100% identical with the online
version.
So, no further disturbance from me.. ;-)
Great work from your side!
Regards,
Matthias
Am 15.11.20 um 21:02 schrieb Dave Fisher:
>
>> On Nov 15, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Matthias Seidel
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> Am 15.11.20 um 20:43 schrieb Dave Fisher:
>>> Hi -
>>>
>>> The fix is done. The trouble was that css/ooo.css was overriding css rather
>>> than being overridden.
>> Now it looks almost identical.
>>
>> The divider between Blogs and News is missing, but that is *really* a
>> minor point.
> I’m seeing it. Check your vertical scroll. They both are using the same css
> from home.css.
>
> #news div.campaign {
> min-height: 50px;
> width: 90%;
> padding: 30px 5% 5px 5%;
> margin: 10px 0 0 0;
> background: url(/images/campaign-divider.png) no-repeat center top;
> clear: right;
> }
>
> Best Regards,
> Dave
>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Matthias
>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dave
>>>
On Nov 15, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Dave Fisher wrote:
Hi -
I found the trouble and will be making a fix in about 30 minutes.
Regards,
Dave
> On Nov 15, 2020, at 11:13 AM, Matthias Seidel
> wrote:
>
> Hi Andrea,
>
> Am 15.11.20 um 20:03 schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
>> Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>> Yes for openoffice-project.
>>> openoffice-org has some optical glitches that should be ironed out
>>> before.
>> Same for me (both). So: yes for openoffice-project, not yet for
>> openoffice-org.
>>
>> The staged layout for openoffice-org has clear issues. Also,
>> openoffice-org is so complex that I think we should ask Infra to keep
>> the current site available at old.openoffice.org (just the fully built
>> site, no CMS) for comparison for a couple weeks.
>>
>> Just one fix if you need examples: I've committed a small CSS fix
>> https://github.com/apache/openoffice-org/commit/6c57bbe4aa8c63a02986283edc67603c923a49ab
>>
>> that seems to work well (I don't see it online yet) for
>> https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org
> The main and the download page look good to me now regarding layout.
> However they use a different font.
>> https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org/why/why_sme.html
>> https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org/support/index.html
>> (three random pages as I miss data from Google Analytics on what is
>> important), and this is already making quite a difference.
> Again, if you want access to Google Analytic, just send me your gmail
> address. ;-)
>> If we identify the top 10 pages and compare them carefully,
>> openoffice-org may be ready in a matter of days.
> Regards,
>
> Matthias
>
>> Regards,
>> Andrea.
>>
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Re: Boring issue: Opening ODF document from LibreOffice 7 displays error
Hi Rory, Am 15.11.20 um 14:47 schrieb Rory O'Farrell: > On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 14:37:49 +0100 > Andrea Pescetti wrote: > >> Matthias Seidel wrote: >>> Implementing it in AOO takes time, so we should concentrate on making >>> the "error" message more logical. >> Now: >> This document was created by a newer version of OpenOffice. It may >> contain features not supported by your current version. >> >> Suggested: >> This document uses an unsupported version of the Open Document Format. >> Some features may not be displayed correctly. >> >> Samples are available at >> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=128412 for those who need >> them. Of course, we will need two different issues, one for the error >> message (relatively quick fix) and one for the ODF 1.3 support (much >> larger work). >> >> Regards, >>Andrea. > I have been looking, and cannot find a document summarising the changes > between ODF v1.2 and v1.3; does such a document exist? I have the full v1.3 > specification, but would like a summary of the changes. I will try to find something. But as I remember, we use ODF 1.2 (extended) in AOO. I assume the "extended" functions made it into ODF 1.3. Regards, Matthias > smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Flyer for AOO
> Do you plan to distribute them on events when the situation gets > better? Distribute = money for printing French community has no legal structure to funding this kind of action - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Apache OpenOffice Project Information
Hi Andrea, Am 15.11.20 um 15:54 schrieb Andrea Pescetti: > Matthias Seidel wrote: https://github.com/apache/openoffice-project/blob/main/content/doap_openoffice.rdf >>> I'll regenerate it from the standard template, just in case something >>> changed there too. >> Please update it in the new repository. > > Pushed. The template had indeed been updated (references to the Apache > License) and the content is also current now, including references to > the Git repository. Thanks, I already copied it to our project site and published it. However the cron job needs some time to pick up the new information: https://projects.apache.org/project.html?openoffice > > By the way: these were my first edits to the the project site after > the migration and everything was smooth, thanks a lot Dave! It really > looks good for production. Technically yes, but I recognized a slightly bigger vertical space between the topics on the main page and also the boxes on the download page. This may be a css issue. Nothing really big. Regards, Matthias > > Regards, > Andrea. > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
RE: Boring issue: Opening ODF document from LibreOffice 7 displays error
Hello, > -Original Message- > From: Bidouille [mailto:ooofo...@free.fr] > Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 3:50 PM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: Boring issue: Opening ODF document from > LibreOffice 7 displays error > > > @Bidouille: > > Do you have concrete test documents, which show problems and which > > you can make publicly available for testing? > Read the dedicated issue: > https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=128412 The example file in this issue generates a message, but the errors in the document are not caused by ODF 1.3, but by a lack of formula support, i.e. even if you save the document in ODF 1.2, the formulas would not work in AOO 4.x. This lack of support for Calc table functions has been a major problem for AOO for years. The problem in practice is not so much that essential functions are missing, but that MS Office and LO have integrated more and more special table functions, which users then also use, although they could do the same calculations without these functions, only with the functions it is easier for average users. Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Apache OpenOffice Project Information
Am 15.11.20 um 16:07 schrieb Matthias Seidel: Am 15.11.20 um 15:54 schrieb Andrea Pescetti: Matthias Seidel wrote: By the way: these were my first edits to the the project site after the migration and everything was smooth, thanks a lot Dave! It really looks good for production. Technically yes, but I recognized a slightly bigger vertical space between the topics on the main page and also the boxes on the download page. This may be a css issue. Nothing really big. right, but have a look also for the fonts and font sizes. Also here are visible changes. But I also think that this is just CSS and nothing big. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Boring issue: Opening ODF document from LibreOffice 7 displays error
> @Bidouille: > Do you have concrete test documents, which show problems and which > you can make publicly available for testing? Read the dedicated issue: https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=128412 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Apache OpenOffice Project Information
Matthias Seidel wrote: https://github.com/apache/openoffice-project/blob/main/content/doap_openoffice.rdf I'll regenerate it from the standard template, just in case something changed there too. Please update it in the new repository. Pushed. The template had indeed been updated (references to the Apache License) and the content is also current now, including references to the Git repository. By the way: these were my first edits to the the project site after the migration and everything was smooth, thanks a lot Dave! It really looks good for production. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Flyer for AOO
Hi Bidouille, Am 15.11.20 um 15:56 schrieb Bidouille: >> Do you plan to distribute them on events when the situation gets >> better? > Distribute = money for printing > French community has no legal structure to funding this kind of action Then just ask here for funding? That's how we got a new Booth PC last year. (Unfortunately it couldn't be used in public until now because of COVID) Regards, Matthias > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Boring issue: Opening ODF document from LibreOffice 7 displays error
Hi Bidouille, Am 08.11.20 um 17:25 schrieb Bidouille: > Hello dev team, > > > https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=128412 > > LibreOffice 7 use ODF 1.3 (experimental) for its documents. > Unable to open it without an error. > This is a painful for end-users. Yes, that is something we must address somehow. What is your proposal? Regards, Matthias > > > :-/ > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
RE: Boring issue: Opening ODF document from LibreOffice 7 displays error
> -Original Message- > From: Matthias Seidel [mailto:matthias.sei...@hamburg.de] > Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 12:49 PM > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Subject: Re: Boring issue: Opening ODF document from > LibreOffice 7 displays error > > Hi Bidouille, > > Am 08.11.20 um 17:25 schrieb Bidouille: > > Hello dev team, > > > > > > https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=128412 > > > > LibreOffice 7 use ODF 1.3 (experimental) for its documents. > > Unable to open it without an error. @Bidouille: Strictly speaking, there is only a reference to a new program version, no error. Do you have concrete test documents, which show problems and which you can make publicly available for testing? > > This is a painful for end-users. @Bidouille: Would it be better to open the document without any comment and risk that the document is not displayed correctly? This is a very real question, because this corresponds to the program behavior with e.g. doc or docx. > What is your proposal? at short term: If the predominant opinion is that the, years of practice with OOXML or the MS binary formats is less "painful", then you should simply turn off the program update warning. medium term: we would first have to clarify how big the problems are in practice and therefore the predictable effort for their elimination. This clarification could be done by people involved with OASIS (i _believe_ there are also people from us there) or by creating test files and evaluating them. long-term: it does not help us (AOO) directly, but in the interest of the users, all parties involved should get together to implement ODF in free software and agree to implement ISO standards permanently, at least as a default. Already in the dispute with Microsoft, the users were the ones who suffered, and now the same situation exists within the FOSS community - this is not good. I have now only once test converted about 20 existing odt files (typical business letters) in LO 7.0.1 to the 1.3 (extended) ODF and could not find any concrete problems when opening them in AOO 4.1.7. This does not mean that there are none, but it is assumed that they will not be massive. In general, these format problems are as difficult to solve as the problems regarding OOXML, because we lack manpower. Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Boring issue: Opening ODF document from LibreOffice 7 displays error
Matthias Seidel wrote: Implementing it in AOO takes time, so we should concentrate on making the "error" message more logical. Now: This document was created by a newer version of OpenOffice. It may contain features not supported by your current version. Suggested: This document uses an unsupported version of the Open Document Format. Some features may not be displayed correctly. Samples are available at https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=128412 for those who need them. Of course, we will need two different issues, one for the error message (relatively quick fix) and one for the ODF 1.3 support (much larger work). Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Boring issue: Opening ODF document from LibreOffice 7 displays error
Hi Andrea, Am 15.11.20 um 14:37 schrieb Andrea Pescetti: > Matthias Seidel wrote: >> Implementing it in AOO takes time, so we should concentrate on making >> the "error" message more logical. > > Now: > This document was created by a newer version of OpenOffice. It may > contain features not supported by your current version. > > Suggested: > This document uses an unsupported version of the Open Document Format. > Some features may not be displayed correctly. Sounds good! After we change that in source, Mechtilde can create a new template and we can import it in Pootle. Then the string is open for translation. > > Samples are available at > https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=128412 for those who need > them. Of course, we will need two different issues, one for the error > message (relatively quick fix) and one for the ODF 1.3 support (much > larger work). I think Peter already created one: https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=128282 Regards, Matthias > > Regards, > Andrea. > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Flyer for AOO
Hello team, In french forum, a volunteer has released our flyer. I submit here: https://forum.openoffice.org/fr/forum/download/file.php?id=139920 Sorry no english version. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Boring issue: Opening ODF document from LibreOffice 7 displays error
Hello Matthias, I don't know if this ODF 1.3 will be available soon. I don't find any release plan on OASIS. - Mail original - > De: "Matthias Seidel" > À: dev@openoffice.apache.org > Envoyé: Dimanche 15 Novembre 2020 12:49:27 > Objet: Re: Boring issue: Opening ODF document from LibreOffice 7 displays > error > > Hi Bidouille, > > Am 08.11.20 um 17:25 schrieb Bidouille: > > Hello dev team, > > > > > > https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=128412 > > > > LibreOffice 7 use ODF 1.3 (experimental) for its documents. > > Unable to open it without an error. > > This is a painful for end-users. > > Yes, that is something we must address somehow. > > What is your proposal? > > Regards, > > Matthias > > > > > > > :-/ > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Flyer for AOO
Hi Bidouille, Am 15.11.20 um 12:28 schrieb Bidouille: > Hello team, > > In french forum, a volunteer has released our flyer. > I submit here: > https://forum.openoffice.org/fr/forum/download/file.php?id=139920 > Sorry no english version. Great! Do you plan to distribute them on events when the situation gets better? Looking at the high download numbers, AOO has a strong position in France. FOSDEM next year is only virtual, but I hope for 2022! ;-) Regards, Matthias P.S.: The official AOO logo can be found here: https://www.apache.org/logos/?#openoffice > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Boring issue: Opening ODF document from LibreOffice 7 displays error
On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 13:09:57 +0100 (CET) Bidouille wrote: > Hello Matthias, > > I don't know if this ODF 1.3 will be available soon. > I don't find any release plan on OASIS. For information: the listings for v1.3 are at https://docs.oasis-open.org/office/OpenDocument/v1.3/ RoryOF > > - Mail original - > > De: "Matthias Seidel" > > À: dev@openoffice.apache.org > > Envoyé: Dimanche 15 Novembre 2020 12:49:27 > > Objet: Re: Boring issue: Opening ODF document from LibreOffice 7 displays > > error > > > > Hi Bidouille, > > > > Am 08.11.20 um 17:25 schrieb Bidouille: > > > Hello dev team, > > > > > > > > > https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=128412 > > > > > > LibreOffice 7 use ODF 1.3 (experimental) for its documents. > > > Unable to open it without an error. > > > This is a painful for end-users. > > > > Yes, that is something we must address somehow. > > > > What is your proposal? > > > > Regards, > > > > Matthias > > > > > > > > > > > :-/ > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > > > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > -- Rory O'Farrell - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Boring issue: Opening ODF document from LibreOffice 7 displays error
Hi, Am 15.11.20 um 13:09 schrieb Bidouille: > Hello Matthias, > > I don't know if this ODF 1.3 will be available soon. > I don't find any release plan on OASIS. It is an OASIS standard since December 2019(?) but not an ISO standard. Implementing it in AOO takes time, so we should concentrate on making the "error" message more logical. That said, this will only be possible for 4.2.0 due to the needed translation of new strings. Regards, Matthias > > - Mail original - >> De: "Matthias Seidel" >> À: dev@openoffice.apache.org >> Envoyé: Dimanche 15 Novembre 2020 12:49:27 >> Objet: Re: Boring issue: Opening ODF document from LibreOffice 7 displays >> error >> >> Hi Bidouille, >> >> Am 08.11.20 um 17:25 schrieb Bidouille: >>> Hello dev team, >>> >>> >>> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=128412 >>> >>> LibreOffice 7 use ODF 1.3 (experimental) for its documents. >>> Unable to open it without an error. >>> This is a painful for end-users. >> Yes, that is something we must address somehow. >> >> What is your proposal? >> >> Regards, >> >> Matthias >> >>> >>> :-/ >>> >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >>> >> > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Boring issue: Opening ODF document from LibreOffice 7 displays error
On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 14:37:49 +0100 Andrea Pescetti wrote: > Matthias Seidel wrote: > > Implementing it in AOO takes time, so we should concentrate on making > > the "error" message more logical. > > Now: > This document was created by a newer version of OpenOffice. It may > contain features not supported by your current version. > > Suggested: > This document uses an unsupported version of the Open Document Format. > Some features may not be displayed correctly. > > Samples are available at > https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=128412 for those who need > them. Of course, we will need two different issues, one for the error > message (relatively quick fix) and one for the ODF 1.3 support (much > larger work). > > Regards, >Andrea. I have been looking, and cannot find a document summarising the changes between ODF v1.2 and v1.3; does such a document exist? I have the full v1.3 specification, but would like a summary of the changes. -- Rory O'Farrell - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
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Hi Andrea, Am 14.11.20 um 23:04 schrieb Andrea Pescetti: > Dave Fisher wrote: >> The file in question is here: >> https://github.com/apache/openoffice-project/blob/main/content/doap_openoffice.rdf >> > > You can leave further updates to this file to me for this weekend. > I'll regenerate it from the standard template, just in case something > changed there too. > > I mean I'll update the copy in the new repository, not the online one: > if I got it correctly, we don't have a process for bringing all > updates from the old infrastructure (which is still writable, right?) > to the new one, so I will push to the new repositories only. Thanks for that! Please update it in the new repository. But I'd like to have that information updated asap, so I will probably copy it to online version in SVN then. Regards, Matthias > > Regards, > Andrea. > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] Move to new Website Git Repositories
Hi Andrea, Am 15.11.20 um 20:03 schrieb Andrea Pescetti: > Matthias Seidel wrote: >> Yes for openoffice-project. >> openoffice-org has some optical glitches that should be ironed out >> before. > > Same for me (both). So: yes for openoffice-project, not yet for > openoffice-org. > > The staged layout for openoffice-org has clear issues. Also, > openoffice-org is so complex that I think we should ask Infra to keep > the current site available at old.openoffice.org (just the fully built > site, no CMS) for comparison for a couple weeks. > > Just one fix if you need examples: I've committed a small CSS fix > https://github.com/apache/openoffice-org/commit/6c57bbe4aa8c63a02986283edc67603c923a49ab > > that seems to work well (I don't see it online yet) for > https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org The main and the download page look good to me now regarding layout. However they use a different font. > https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org/why/why_sme.html > https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org/support/index.html > (three random pages as I miss data from Google Analytics on what is > important), and this is already making quite a difference. Again, if you want access to Google Analytic, just send me your gmail address. ;-) > > If we identify the top 10 pages and compare them carefully, > openoffice-org may be ready in a matter of days. Regards, Matthias > > Regards, > Andrea. > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] Move to new Website Git Repositories
Hi - I found the trouble and will be making a fix in about 30 minutes. Regards, Dave > On Nov 15, 2020, at 11:13 AM, Matthias Seidel > wrote: > > Hi Andrea, > > Am 15.11.20 um 20:03 schrieb Andrea Pescetti: >> Matthias Seidel wrote: >>> Yes for openoffice-project. >>> openoffice-org has some optical glitches that should be ironed out >>> before. >> >> Same for me (both). So: yes for openoffice-project, not yet for >> openoffice-org. >> >> The staged layout for openoffice-org has clear issues. Also, >> openoffice-org is so complex that I think we should ask Infra to keep >> the current site available at old.openoffice.org (just the fully built >> site, no CMS) for comparison for a couple weeks. >> >> Just one fix if you need examples: I've committed a small CSS fix >> https://github.com/apache/openoffice-org/commit/6c57bbe4aa8c63a02986283edc67603c923a49ab >> >> that seems to work well (I don't see it online yet) for >> https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org > The main and the download page look good to me now regarding layout. > However they use a different font. >> https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org/why/why_sme.html >> https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org/support/index.html >> (three random pages as I miss data from Google Analytics on what is >> important), and this is already making quite a difference. > Again, if you want access to Google Analytic, just send me your gmail > address. ;-) >> >> If we identify the top 10 pages and compare them carefully, >> openoffice-org may be ready in a matter of days. > > Regards, > >Matthias > >> >> Regards, >> Andrea. >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] Move to new Website Git Repositories
We do not need google analytics for this information: https://uls.apache.org/exports/ URI Pageviews /index.html 2156 /download/index.html1186 /api/docs/java/ref/index.html 1081 /why/index.html 872 /social/index.html 756 /support/index.html 728 /news/index.html698 /product/index.html 669 /why/why_volunteers.html606 /extensions/index.html 566 /donations.html 503 /contact_us.html487 /projects/native-lang.html 453 /projects/accepted.html 402 /license.html 391 /privacy.html 380 /de/index.html 151 /dba/index.html 150 /sq/index.html 149 /awards/index.html 141 /dev_docs/features/3.1/index.html 140 /hr/index.html 134 /projects/index.html133 /qa/index.html 130 /product/calc.html 126 /graphics/index.html111 /support/books.html 111 /documentation/index.html 107 /bibliographic/index.html 105 /ml/index.html 98 /api/SDK/index.html 97 /aa/index.html 96 /ro/index.html 96 /eu/index.html 94 /tg/index.html 94 /api/index.html 92 /porting/index.html 91 /why/why_easy.html 90 /why/why_new_computers.html 89 /ta/index.html 88 /af/index.html 86 /fur/index.html 83 /about_us/milestones.html 82 /dev_docs/features/3.3/index.html 81 /product/draw.html 81 /why/why_sme.html 81 /gsl/index.html 80 /it/contribuire/index.html 80 /eo/index.html 79 /why/why_edu.html 79 Regards, Dave > On Nov 15, 2020, at 11:03 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > > Matthias Seidel wrote: >> Yes for openoffice-project. >> openoffice-org has some optical glitches that should be ironed out before. > > Same for me (both). So: yes for openoffice-project, not yet for > openoffice-org. > > The staged layout for openoffice-org has clear issues. Also, openoffice-org > is so complex that I think we should ask Infra to keep the current site > available at old.openoffice.org (just the fully built site, no CMS) for > comparison for a couple weeks. > > Just one fix if you need examples: I've committed a small CSS fix > https://github.com/apache/openoffice-org/commit/6c57bbe4aa8c63a02986283edc67603c923a49ab > that seems to work well (I don't see it online yet) for > https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org > https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org/why/why_sme.html > https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org/support/index.html > (three random pages as I miss data from Google Analytics on what is > important), and this is already making quite a difference. > > If we identify the top 10 pages and compare them carefully, openoffice-org > may be ready in a matter of days. > > Regards, > Andrea. > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >
Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] Move to new Website Git Repositories
Hi - The fix is done. The trouble was that css/ooo.css was overriding css rather than being overridden. Regards, Dave > On Nov 15, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Dave Fisher wrote: > > Hi - > > I found the trouble and will be making a fix in about 30 minutes. > > Regards, > Dave > >> On Nov 15, 2020, at 11:13 AM, Matthias Seidel >> wrote: >> >> Hi Andrea, >> >> Am 15.11.20 um 20:03 schrieb Andrea Pescetti: >>> Matthias Seidel wrote: Yes for openoffice-project. openoffice-org has some optical glitches that should be ironed out before. >>> >>> Same for me (both). So: yes for openoffice-project, not yet for >>> openoffice-org. >>> >>> The staged layout for openoffice-org has clear issues. Also, >>> openoffice-org is so complex that I think we should ask Infra to keep >>> the current site available at old.openoffice.org (just the fully built >>> site, no CMS) for comparison for a couple weeks. >>> >>> Just one fix if you need examples: I've committed a small CSS fix >>> https://github.com/apache/openoffice-org/commit/6c57bbe4aa8c63a02986283edc67603c923a49ab >>> >>> that seems to work well (I don't see it online yet) for >>> https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org >> The main and the download page look good to me now regarding layout. >> However they use a different font. >>> https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org/why/why_sme.html >>> https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org/support/index.html >>> (three random pages as I miss data from Google Analytics on what is >>> important), and this is already making quite a difference. >> Again, if you want access to Google Analytic, just send me your gmail >> address. ;-) >>> >>> If we identify the top 10 pages and compare them carefully, >>> openoffice-org may be ready in a matter of days. >> >> Regards, >> >> Matthias >> >>> >>> Regards, >>> Andrea. >>> >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >>> >> > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] Move to new Website Git Repositories
Hi Dave, Am 15.11.20 um 20:43 schrieb Dave Fisher: > Hi - > > The fix is done. The trouble was that css/ooo.css was overriding css rather > than being overridden. Now it looks almost identical. The divider between Blogs and News is missing, but that is *really* a minor point. Thanks! Matthias > > Regards, > Dave > >> On Nov 15, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Dave Fisher wrote: >> >> Hi - >> >> I found the trouble and will be making a fix in about 30 minutes. >> >> Regards, >> Dave >> >>> On Nov 15, 2020, at 11:13 AM, Matthias Seidel >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Andrea, >>> >>> Am 15.11.20 um 20:03 schrieb Andrea Pescetti: Matthias Seidel wrote: > Yes for openoffice-project. > openoffice-org has some optical glitches that should be ironed out > before. Same for me (both). So: yes for openoffice-project, not yet for openoffice-org. The staged layout for openoffice-org has clear issues. Also, openoffice-org is so complex that I think we should ask Infra to keep the current site available at old.openoffice.org (just the fully built site, no CMS) for comparison for a couple weeks. Just one fix if you need examples: I've committed a small CSS fix https://github.com/apache/openoffice-org/commit/6c57bbe4aa8c63a02986283edc67603c923a49ab that seems to work well (I don't see it online yet) for https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org >>> The main and the download page look good to me now regarding layout. >>> However they use a different font. https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org/why/why_sme.html https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org/support/index.html (three random pages as I miss data from Google Analytics on what is important), and this is already making quite a difference. >>> Again, if you want access to Google Analytic, just send me your gmail >>> address. ;-) If we identify the top 10 pages and compare them carefully, openoffice-org may be ready in a matter of days. >>> Regards, >>> >>> Matthias >>> Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] Move to new Website Git Repositories
> On Nov 15, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Matthias Seidel
> wrote:
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> Am 15.11.20 um 20:43 schrieb Dave Fisher:
>> Hi -
>>
>> The fix is done. The trouble was that css/ooo.css was overriding css rather
>> than being overridden.
>
> Now it looks almost identical.
>
> The divider between Blogs and News is missing, but that is *really* a
> minor point.
I’m seeing it. Check your vertical scroll. They both are using the same css
from home.css.
#news div.campaign {
min-height: 50px;
width: 90%;
padding: 30px 5% 5px 5%;
margin: 10px 0 0 0;
background: url(/images/campaign-divider.png) no-repeat center top;
clear: right;
}
Best Regards,
Dave
>
> Thanks!
>
> Matthias
>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>>
>>> On Nov 15, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi -
>>>
>>> I found the trouble and will be making a fix in about 30 minutes.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dave
>>>
On Nov 15, 2020, at 11:13 AM, Matthias Seidel
wrote:
Hi Andrea,
Am 15.11.20 um 20:03 schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
> Matthias Seidel wrote:
>> Yes for openoffice-project.
>> openoffice-org has some optical glitches that should be ironed out
>> before.
> Same for me (both). So: yes for openoffice-project, not yet for
> openoffice-org.
>
> The staged layout for openoffice-org has clear issues. Also,
> openoffice-org is so complex that I think we should ask Infra to keep
> the current site available at old.openoffice.org (just the fully built
> site, no CMS) for comparison for a couple weeks.
>
> Just one fix if you need examples: I've committed a small CSS fix
> https://github.com/apache/openoffice-org/commit/6c57bbe4aa8c63a02986283edc67603c923a49ab
>
> that seems to work well (I don't see it online yet) for
> https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org
The main and the download page look good to me now regarding layout.
However they use a different font.
> https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org/why/why_sme.html
> https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org/support/index.html
> (three random pages as I miss data from Google Analytics on what is
> important), and this is already making quite a difference.
Again, if you want access to Google Analytic, just send me your gmail
address. ;-)
> If we identify the top 10 pages and compare them carefully,
> openoffice-org may be ready in a matter of days.
Regards,
Matthias
> Regards,
> Andrea.
>
> -
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Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] Move to new Website Git Repositories
OK, I see them in Chrome, but not in Firefox. ;-)
Which makes it an even smaller issue...
Nothing that should stop us now.
Regards,
Matthias
Am 15.11.20 um 21:02 schrieb Dave Fisher:
>
>> On Nov 15, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Matthias Seidel
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> Am 15.11.20 um 20:43 schrieb Dave Fisher:
>>> Hi -
>>>
>>> The fix is done. The trouble was that css/ooo.css was overriding css rather
>>> than being overridden.
>> Now it looks almost identical.
>>
>> The divider between Blogs and News is missing, but that is *really* a
>> minor point.
> I’m seeing it. Check your vertical scroll. They both are using the same css
> from home.css.
>
> #news div.campaign {
> min-height: 50px;
> width: 90%;
> padding: 30px 5% 5px 5%;
> margin: 10px 0 0 0;
> background: url(/images/campaign-divider.png) no-repeat center top;
> clear: right;
> }
>
> Best Regards,
> Dave
>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Matthias
>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dave
>>>
On Nov 15, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Dave Fisher wrote:
Hi -
I found the trouble and will be making a fix in about 30 minutes.
Regards,
Dave
> On Nov 15, 2020, at 11:13 AM, Matthias Seidel
> wrote:
>
> Hi Andrea,
>
> Am 15.11.20 um 20:03 schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
>> Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>> Yes for openoffice-project.
>>> openoffice-org has some optical glitches that should be ironed out
>>> before.
>> Same for me (both). So: yes for openoffice-project, not yet for
>> openoffice-org.
>>
>> The staged layout for openoffice-org has clear issues. Also,
>> openoffice-org is so complex that I think we should ask Infra to keep
>> the current site available at old.openoffice.org (just the fully built
>> site, no CMS) for comparison for a couple weeks.
>>
>> Just one fix if you need examples: I've committed a small CSS fix
>> https://github.com/apache/openoffice-org/commit/6c57bbe4aa8c63a02986283edc67603c923a49ab
>>
>> that seems to work well (I don't see it online yet) for
>> https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org
> The main and the download page look good to me now regarding layout.
> However they use a different font.
>> https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org/why/why_sme.html
>> https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org/support/index.html
>> (three random pages as I miss data from Google Analytics on what is
>> important), and this is already making quite a difference.
> Again, if you want access to Google Analytic, just send me your gmail
> address. ;-)
>> If we identify the top 10 pages and compare them carefully,
>> openoffice-org may be ready in a matter of days.
> Regards,
>
> Matthias
>
>> Regards,
>> Andrea.
>>
>> -
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Re: Apache OpenOffice Project Information
Marcus ha scritto: Am 15.11.20 um 16:07 schrieb Matthias Seidel: Am 15.11.20 um 15:54 schrieb Andrea Pescetti: Matthias Seidel wrote: By the way: these were my first edits to the the project site after the migration and everything was smooth, thanks a lot Dave! It really looks good for production. Technically yes, but I recognized a slightly bigger vertical space between the topics on the main page and also the boxes on the download page. This may be a css issue. Nothing really big. right, but have a look also for the fonts and font sizes. Also here are visible changes. Just to be clear: by "project site" I mean https://github.com/apache/openoffice-project not https://github.com/apache/openoffice-org which I haven't built yet. And I don't really see any difference in the project site between the "old" and "new" version, besides the underlining of links which is an easy CSS fix (if wanted; I actually prefer the staged version). There would be room for other CSS improvements but these apply to the current https://openoffice.apache.org too. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Apache OpenOffice Project Information
> On Nov 15, 2020, at 8:17 AM, Marcus wrote: > > Am 15.11.20 um 16:07 schrieb Matthias Seidel: >> Am 15.11.20 um 15:54 schrieb Andrea Pescetti: >>> Matthias Seidel wrote: >>> >>> By the way: these were my first edits to the the project site after >>> the migration and everything was smooth, thanks a lot Dave! It really >>> looks good for production. >> Technically yes, but I recognized a slightly bigger vertical space >> between the topics on the main page and also the boxes on the download >> page. This may be a css issue. Nothing really big. > > right, but have a look also for the fonts and font sizes. Also here are > visible changes. > > But I also think that this is just CSS and nothing big. Strange because on macOS Safari and Chrome the two sites look identical. Firefox does differ from Safari and Chrome, but the old and new are identical to each other. So, we have a small CSS issue, but not a new CSS issue. Please report your Browsers and OSs ... Regards, Dave > > Marcus > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
[LAZY CONSENSUS] Move to new Website Git Repositories
Hi - Unless there are objections I think we should move to the new CMS for openoffice-project and openoffice-org this week in about 72 hours. Proposed schedule is Wednesday for both. Regards, Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Apache OpenOffice Project Information
Hi - > On Nov 15, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Dave Fisher wrote: > > > >> On Nov 15, 2020, at 8:17 AM, Marcus wrote: >> >> Am 15.11.20 um 16:07 schrieb Matthias Seidel: >>> Am 15.11.20 um 15:54 schrieb Andrea Pescetti: Matthias Seidel wrote: By the way: these were my first edits to the the project site after the migration and everything was smooth, thanks a lot Dave! It really looks good for production. >>> Technically yes, but I recognized a slightly bigger vertical space >>> between the topics on the main page and also the boxes on the download >>> page. This may be a css issue. Nothing really big. >> >> right, but have a look also for the fonts and font sizes. Also here are >> visible changes. >> >> But I also think that this is just CSS and nothing big. > > Strange because on macOS Safari and Chrome the two sites look identical. > Firefox does differ from Safari and Chrome, but the old and new are identical > to each other. > > So, we have a small CSS issue, but not a new CSS issue. > > Please report your Browsers and OSs ... Nevermind - we are not explicitly setting line-height and Firefox’s “normal” differs from the other browsers. Regards, Dave > > Regards, > Dave > >> >> Marcus >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Apache OpenOffice Project Information
> On Nov 15, 2020, at 9:34 AM, Matthias Seidel > wrote: > > Hi Andrea, > > Am 15.11.20 um 18:25 schrieb Andrea Pescetti: >> Marcus ha scritto: >>> Am 15.11.20 um 16:07 schrieb Matthias Seidel: Am 15.11.20 um 15:54 schrieb Andrea Pescetti: > Matthias Seidel wrote: > > By the way: these were my first edits to the the project site after > the migration and everything was smooth, thanks a lot Dave! It really > looks good for production. Technically yes, but I recognized a slightly bigger vertical space between the topics on the main page and also the boxes on the download page. This may be a css issue. Nothing really big. >>> >>> right, but have a look also for the fonts and font sizes. Also here >>> are visible changes. >> >> Just to be clear: by "project site" I mean >> https://github.com/apache/openoffice-project not >> https://github.com/apache/openoffice-org which I haven't built yet. > Yes, you are right. The project information is located on the project > site. Sorry for the confusion. ;-) > IMO the project site is ready for switching. >> >> And I don't really see any difference in the project site between the >> "old" and "new" version, besides the underlining of links which is an >> easy CSS fix (if wanted; I actually prefer the staged version). There >> would be room for other CSS improvements but these apply to the >> current https://openoffice.apache.org too. > > The underlining has changed with my latest css commit. I didn't find the > time to explain it: > > Permanent underlining makes the links esp. on the download page > unreadable. Underlining now appears only with "mouser-over". > > Links are all in blue, so I changed the Heading of the pages to a grey > from our logo. This way it cannot be confused with a clickable link. > > If these changes are OK for everyone I would like to make them also to > openoffice.org. The css is here: https://github.com/apache/openoffice-org/blob/main/assets/css/ooo.css Regards, Dave > > Regards, > >Matthias > >> >> Regards, >> Andrea. >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] Move to new Website Git Repositories
> On Nov 15, 2020, at 9:40 AM, Matthias Seidel > wrote: > > Hi Dave, > > Am 15.11.20 um 18:37 schrieb Dave Fisher: >> Hi - >> >> Unless there are objections I think we should move to the new CMS for >> openoffice-project and openoffice-org this week in about 72 hours. > > Yes for openoffice-project. > > openoffice-org has some optical glitches that should be ironed out before. Please provide a link that shows the issue. Regards, Dave > > Matthias > >> >> Proposed schedule is Wednesday for both. >> >> Regards, >> Dave >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] Move to new Website Git Repositories
> On Nov 15, 2020, at 10:08 AM, Gavin McDonald wrote: > > Hi, > > On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 6:59 PM Matthias Seidel > wrote: > >> Hi Dave, >> >> Am 15.11.20 um 18:54 schrieb Dave Fisher: >>> On Nov 15, 2020, at 9:40 AM, Matthias Seidel < >> matthias.sei...@hamburg.de> wrote: Hi Dave, Am 15.11.20 um 18:37 schrieb Dave Fisher: > Hi - > > Unless there are objections I think we should move to the new CMS for >> openoffice-project and openoffice-org this week in about 72 hours. Yes for openoffice-project. openoffice-org has some optical glitches that should be ironed out >> before. >>> Please provide a link that shows the issue. >> >> https://www.openoffice.org vs. https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org/ >> ;-) >> >> As already written, the vertical space between the topics on the main >> page is slightly higher. This is on Ubuntu with Firefox and Chrome. >> >> The same for the colored boxes on the download page. >> >> None of this is a blocker to moving the website, they are minor > differences in layout that can be > resolved later. In fact, I prefer the newer version, the spacing looks > better, but again, this does > not need to hold up the migration. Agreed. There is a difference which is rather subtle. The page is inserting a non-display tag for screen readers. It seems like a strange method to me. Instead it should just have it there in the first place. But all of that can be easily fixed in a PR at any time. Regards, Dave > > Gav... > > >> Regards, >> >> Matthias >> >>> >>> Regards, >>> Dave >>> Matthias > Proposed schedule is Wednesday for both. > > Regards, > Dave > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >>> >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >>> >> >> > > -- > > *Gavin McDonald* > Systems Administrator > ASF Infrastructure Team - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Flyer for AOO
Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 15, 2020, at 7:03 AM, Matthias Seidel > wrote: > > Hi Bidouille, > > Am 15.11.20 um 15:56 schrieb Bidouille: >>> Do you plan to distribute them on events when the situation gets >>> better? >> Distribute = money for printing >> French community has no legal structure to funding this kind of action > > Then just ask here for funding? Please send the request to private@ as there is a process the PMC has to follow with the ASF. Regards, Dave > > That's how we got a new Booth PC last year. > (Unfortunately it couldn't be used in public until now because of COVID) > > Regards, > >Matthias > >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Apache OpenOffice Project Information
> On Nov 15, 2020, at 9:25 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > > Marcus ha scritto: >> Am 15.11.20 um 16:07 schrieb Matthias Seidel: >>> Am 15.11.20 um 15:54 schrieb Andrea Pescetti: Matthias Seidel wrote: By the way: these were my first edits to the the project site after the migration and everything was smooth, thanks a lot Dave! It really looks good for production. >>> >>> Technically yes, but I recognized a slightly bigger vertical space >>> between the topics on the main page and also the boxes on the download >>> page. This may be a css issue. Nothing really big. >> right, but have a look also for the fonts and font sizes. Also here are >> visible changes. > > Just to be clear: by "project site" I mean > https://github.com/apache/openoffice-project not > https://github.com/apache/openoffice-org which I haven't built yet. > > And I don't really see any difference in the project site between the "old" > and "new" version, besides the underlining of links which is an easy CSS fix > (if wanted; I actually prefer the staged version). That was a test change. I prefer that the links be underlined for accessibility reasons. Meaning color blind people might have trouble noticing these hyperlinks. > There would be room for other CSS improvements but these apply to the current > https://openoffice.apache.org too. Exactly. Regards, Dave > > Regards, > Andrea. > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Apache OpenOffice Project Information
Hi Andrea, Am 15.11.20 um 18:25 schrieb Andrea Pescetti: > Marcus ha scritto: >> Am 15.11.20 um 16:07 schrieb Matthias Seidel: >>> Am 15.11.20 um 15:54 schrieb Andrea Pescetti: Matthias Seidel wrote: By the way: these were my first edits to the the project site after the migration and everything was smooth, thanks a lot Dave! It really looks good for production. >>> >>> Technically yes, but I recognized a slightly bigger vertical space >>> between the topics on the main page and also the boxes on the download >>> page. This may be a css issue. Nothing really big. >> >> right, but have a look also for the fonts and font sizes. Also here >> are visible changes. > > Just to be clear: by "project site" I mean > https://github.com/apache/openoffice-project not > https://github.com/apache/openoffice-org which I haven't built yet. Yes, you are right. The project information is located on the project site. Sorry for the confusion. ;-) IMO the project site is ready for switching. > > And I don't really see any difference in the project site between the > "old" and "new" version, besides the underlining of links which is an > easy CSS fix (if wanted; I actually prefer the staged version). There > would be room for other CSS improvements but these apply to the > current https://openoffice.apache.org too. The underlining has changed with my latest css commit. I didn't find the time to explain it: Permanent underlining makes the links esp. on the download page unreadable. Underlining now appears only with "mouser-over". Links are all in blue, so I changed the Heading of the pages to a grey from our logo. This way it cannot be confused with a clickable link. If these changes are OK for everyone I would like to make them also to openoffice.org. Regards, Matthias > > Regards, > Andrea. > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] Move to new Website Git Repositories
Hi Dave, Am 15.11.20 um 18:37 schrieb Dave Fisher: > Hi - > > Unless there are objections I think we should move to the new CMS for > openoffice-project and openoffice-org this week in about 72 hours. Yes for openoffice-project. openoffice-org has some optical glitches that should be ironed out before. Matthias > > Proposed schedule is Wednesday for both. > > Regards, > Dave > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Apache OpenOffice Project Information
Hi Dave, Am 15.11.20 um 18:52 schrieb Dave Fisher: > >> On Nov 15, 2020, at 9:34 AM, Matthias Seidel >> wrote: >> >> Hi Andrea, >> >> Am 15.11.20 um 18:25 schrieb Andrea Pescetti: >>> Marcus ha scritto: Am 15.11.20 um 16:07 schrieb Matthias Seidel: > Am 15.11.20 um 15:54 schrieb Andrea Pescetti: >> Matthias Seidel wrote: >> >> By the way: these were my first edits to the the project site after >> the migration and everything was smooth, thanks a lot Dave! It really >> looks good for production. > Technically yes, but I recognized a slightly bigger vertical space > between the topics on the main page and also the boxes on the download > page. This may be a css issue. Nothing really big. right, but have a look also for the fonts and font sizes. Also here are visible changes. >>> Just to be clear: by "project site" I mean >>> https://github.com/apache/openoffice-project not >>> https://github.com/apache/openoffice-org which I haven't built yet. >> Yes, you are right. The project information is located on the project >> site. Sorry for the confusion. ;-) >> IMO the project site is ready for switching. >>> And I don't really see any difference in the project site between the >>> "old" and "new" version, besides the underlining of links which is an >>> easy CSS fix (if wanted; I actually prefer the staged version). There >>> would be room for other CSS improvements but these apply to the >>> current https://openoffice.apache.org too. >> The underlining has changed with my latest css commit. I didn't find the >> time to explain it: >> >> Permanent underlining makes the links esp. on the download page >> unreadable. Underlining now appears only with "mouser-over". >> >> Links are all in blue, so I changed the Heading of the pages to a grey >> from our logo. This way it cannot be confused with a clickable link. >> >> If these changes are OK for everyone I would like to make them also to >> openoffice.org. > The css is here: > https://github.com/apache/openoffice-org/blob/main/assets/css/ooo.css I assume we now have *one* single css? Because on the "old" page there were used lots of them resulting in different layouts depending on the localized page. Regards, Matthias > > Regards, > Dave > >> Regards, >> >>Matthias >> >>> Regards, >>> Andrea. >>> >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >>> > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] Move to new Website Git Repositories
Hi Dave, Am 15.11.20 um 18:54 schrieb Dave Fisher: > >> On Nov 15, 2020, at 9:40 AM, Matthias Seidel >> wrote: >> >> Hi Dave, >> >> Am 15.11.20 um 18:37 schrieb Dave Fisher: >>> Hi - >>> >>> Unless there are objections I think we should move to the new CMS for >>> openoffice-project and openoffice-org this week in about 72 hours. >> Yes for openoffice-project. >> >> openoffice-org has some optical glitches that should be ironed out before. > Please provide a link that shows the issue. https://www.openoffice.org vs. https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org/ ;-) As already written, the vertical space between the topics on the main page is slightly higher. This is on Ubuntu with Firefox and Chrome. The same for the colored boxes on the download page. Regards, Matthias > > Regards, > Dave > >> Matthias >> >>> Proposed schedule is Wednesday for both. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Dave >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >>> > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Apache OpenOffice Project Information
Hi - > On Nov 15, 2020, at 9:56 AM, Matthias Seidel > wrote: > > Hi Dave, > > Am 15.11.20 um 18:52 schrieb Dave Fisher: >> >>> On Nov 15, 2020, at 9:34 AM, Matthias Seidel >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Andrea, >>> >>> Am 15.11.20 um 18:25 schrieb Andrea Pescetti: Marcus ha scritto: > Am 15.11.20 um 16:07 schrieb Matthias Seidel: >> Am 15.11.20 um 15:54 schrieb Andrea Pescetti: >>> Matthias Seidel wrote: >>> >>> By the way: these were my first edits to the the project site after >>> the migration and everything was smooth, thanks a lot Dave! It really >>> looks good for production. >> Technically yes, but I recognized a slightly bigger vertical space >> between the topics on the main page and also the boxes on the download >> page. This may be a css issue. Nothing really big. > right, but have a look also for the fonts and font sizes. Also here > are visible changes. Just to be clear: by "project site" I mean https://github.com/apache/openoffice-project not https://github.com/apache/openoffice-org which I haven't built yet. >>> Yes, you are right. The project information is located on the project >>> site. Sorry for the confusion. ;-) >>> IMO the project site is ready for switching. And I don't really see any difference in the project site between the "old" and "new" version, besides the underlining of links which is an easy CSS fix (if wanted; I actually prefer the staged version). There would be room for other CSS improvements but these apply to the current https://openoffice.apache.org too. >>> The underlining has changed with my latest css commit. I didn't find the >>> time to explain it: >>> >>> Permanent underlining makes the links esp. on the download page >>> unreadable. Underlining now appears only with "mouser-over". >>> >>> Links are all in blue, so I changed the Heading of the pages to a grey >>> from our logo. This way it cannot be confused with a clickable link. >>> >>> If these changes are OK for everyone I would like to make them also to >>> openoffice.org. >> The css is here: >> https://github.com/apache/openoffice-org/blob/main/assets/css/ooo.css > > I assume we now have *one* single css? Don’t assume. I just moved the site. We still have all the other css and I tried to make sure that these are still included in the same order. When I was testing the Hebrew site with rtl overrides I found that I had ooo.css at the end and not the first style of the block. > > Because on the "old" page there were used lots of them resulting in > different layouts depending on the localized page. We also have the product page css overrides which give us the program icons instead of bullets. A larger question to be discussed as Marketing - Why are the product names different from the Application Quick Start? Regards, Dave > > Regards, > >Matthias > >> >> Regards, >> Dave >> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Matthias >>> Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] Move to new Website Git Repositories
Hi, On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 6:59 PM Matthias Seidel wrote: > Hi Dave, > > Am 15.11.20 um 18:54 schrieb Dave Fisher: > > > >> On Nov 15, 2020, at 9:40 AM, Matthias Seidel < > matthias.sei...@hamburg.de> wrote: > >> > >> Hi Dave, > >> > >> Am 15.11.20 um 18:37 schrieb Dave Fisher: > >>> Hi - > >>> > >>> Unless there are objections I think we should move to the new CMS for > openoffice-project and openoffice-org this week in about 72 hours. > >> Yes for openoffice-project. > >> > >> openoffice-org has some optical glitches that should be ironed out > before. > > Please provide a link that shows the issue. > > https://www.openoffice.org vs. https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org/ > ;-) > > As already written, the vertical space between the topics on the main > page is slightly higher. This is on Ubuntu with Firefox and Chrome. > > The same for the colored boxes on the download page. > > None of this is a blocker to moving the website, they are minor differences in layout that can be resolved later. In fact, I prefer the newer version, the spacing looks better, but again, this does not need to hold up the migration. Gav... > Regards, > >Matthias > > > > > Regards, > > Dave > > > >> Matthias > >> > >>> Proposed schedule is Wednesday for both. > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> Dave > >>> - > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >>> > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > > > -- *Gavin McDonald* Systems Administrator ASF Infrastructure Team
Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] Move to new Website Git Repositories
Matthias Seidel wrote: Yes for openoffice-project. openoffice-org has some optical glitches that should be ironed out before. Same for me (both). So: yes for openoffice-project, not yet for openoffice-org. The staged layout for openoffice-org has clear issues. Also, openoffice-org is so complex that I think we should ask Infra to keep the current site available at old.openoffice.org (just the fully built site, no CMS) for comparison for a couple weeks. Just one fix if you need examples: I've committed a small CSS fix https://github.com/apache/openoffice-org/commit/6c57bbe4aa8c63a02986283edc67603c923a49ab that seems to work well (I don't see it online yet) for https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org/why/why_sme.html https://openoffice-org.staged.apache.org/support/index.html (three random pages as I miss data from Google Analytics on what is important), and this is already making quite a difference. If we identify the top 10 pages and compare them carefully, openoffice-org may be ready in a matter of days. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] Move to new Website Git Repositories
+1 > On Nov 15, 2020, at 12:37 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > > Hi - > > Unless there are objections I think we should move to the new CMS for > openoffice-project and openoffice-org this week in about 72 hours. > > Proposed schedule is Wednesday for both. > > Regards, > Dave > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Update Service Status
Hi Dave, I just committed the last Update Feed... Please feel free to make the needed changes with Infra. Regards, Matthias Am 13.11.20 um 22:42 schrieb Matthias Seidel: > Hi Dave, > > Am 13.11.20 um 20:32 schrieb Dave Fisher: >> I’ve seen commit messages for the update service for 4.1.8. >> >> What is the status of the update? Are the changes in production? > I normally update them version after version. The schedule would be > completed on Wednesday next week. >> If so then I’ll proceed with requesting Infra make changes to enable all old >> versions of OpenOffice connect with the service. > No objections. > > If we need to finish earlier, I can commit them at once. > Due to the broken connection updates via client don't generate that > amount of downloads like in earlier releases. > >> An additional question is if we should move the repos from svn to git? > It would be great to have them in one place on Git. > At the moment those for OO3.x are in SVN on our webpage and the newer > ones are in our Apache SVN, see: > > https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Update_Service > > The Update Feeds (XML) can be generated locally via script: > > http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/devtools/genUpdateFeed/ > > Regards, > > Matthias > >> Regards, >> Dave >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
