Re: [dev] $Author$
Frank Schönheit - Sun Microsystems Germany wrote: Hi Heiner, A reason to drop at least the $Author$ field from the legal headers, to avoid confusion? (I wonder, anyway, why RCSs are designed and used in a way where the RCS modifies the stored content---expanding $...$ fields---, as that cannot work in general.) Yes, yes please let's do this. And while we are at it, let's remove the other $keywords$ as well. They really do make merges more complicated, without adding much of a value. In fact, with our current working style, those keywords are rather useless - unless you work in a CWS, on a file which has been altered in this CWS before, the $author$, $date$ etc. information is wrong, anyway (since it refers to the integration of the CWS where this file was previously changed). I'm in for removing it (spares me this -kk switch everytime I want to see what really happened in a file, to suppress the disturbing keyword diffs). But do we really want to touch all headers in all the files in all our modules? Whoever did the drop SISSL cleanup might know how much work such a change really is. Now, who wants to pick this up? (I'm out, I'll be on vacation for the next couple weeks :) Ideally, we would also completely disable that expansion feature in the CVS settings (whatever kind of work that means exactly), right? -Stephan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[dev] How to get the supported interfaces of an unknown object ?
All I would like to have is a way to implement: anObject.SupportsInterfacesNamed(com.sun.star.reflection.XTypeDescription) which may returns true or false and this via UNO calls and not via BASIC special calls (to use it under OLE). I thought, that perhaps queryInterface might help me, but I do not understand type and how to get the type for a name like com.sun.star.reflection.XTypeDescription ? Marten - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [dev] Java programmer
KAMI wrote: Hi! Hi KAMI, I have a someone who applied as OOOP contributor. He wanted to contrubute in Java language. Where can I redirect him? I would like if he can help us with Java related things. There was a similar request recently on this list which I answered here: http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=devmsgNo=20749 That answer does contain some useful links to OOo WebPages, OOo Wiki-Pages, this OOo dev mailing list and the development IRC channel that should be able to get a new java developer started. Maybe you can point this potential contributor also to that reply. KAMI Kind regards, Bernd Eilers - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[dev] question on custom XML schemas
Hi, this may not be the best list for this. Anyway, it was first asked in an ODF forum, but turned out to me (imho) a purely OOo-related question. See here: http://opendocument.xml.org/node/838#comment-74 An answer would be appreciated. Thanks, Charles. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [dev] $Author$
Hi there! Well regarding the effort to replace that line with the $Author$ this should be relativ small what you need to do is: 1.) Analyse file types and the comments contained therein and decided what you want to replace how e.g for C++ and java we need to replace a line like * last change: $Author: hr $ $Date: 2007/06/27 20:04:02 $ with a line containing just * in all .cxx, .hxx and .java files. 2.) Create a perl regular expression to do that replacement eg. for the above C++ and java case and probably likely suitable for some other cases as well that could be s/(^.*)(last change:\s*)(\$Author.*\$)(.*$)/$1$4/g 3.) find all files of those certain filetypes and combine with perl program to do the replacement. 3.1) Example for the java and C++ case (note the below is just one commandline which is wrapped to multiple lines by the mailer ) find . -name \*.hxx -o name \*.cxx -o -name *\.java | xargs perl -pi .bak -e 's/(^.*)(last change:\s*)(\$Author.*\$)(.*$)/$1$4/g'; 3.1.2) after checking that everything went well remove backup files created in the step before find . -name \*.bak | xargs rm 3.2.) If the above done in 3.1 blasts the shells commandline limit due to two much files found either use the find -e option instead of using xargs or apply per module instead of applying at once to the whole source code or similar. 4.) cvs commit your changes on a childworkspace and get that integrated Kind regards, Bernd Eilers Stephan Bergmann wrote: Frank Schönheit - Sun Microsystems Germany wrote: Hi Heiner, A reason to drop at least the $Author$ field from the legal headers, to avoid confusion? (I wonder, anyway, why RCSs are designed and used in a way where the RCS modifies the stored content---expanding $...$ fields---, as that cannot work in general.) Yes, yes please let's do this. And while we are at it, let's remove the other $keywords$ as well. They really do make merges more complicated, without adding much of a value. In fact, with our current working style, those keywords are rather useless - unless you work in a CWS, on a file which has been altered in this CWS before, the $author$, $date$ etc. information is wrong, anyway (since it refers to the integration of the CWS where this file was previously changed). I'm in for removing it (spares me this -kk switch everytime I want to see what really happened in a file, to suppress the disturbing keyword diffs). But do we really want to touch all headers in all the files in all our modules? Whoever did the drop SISSL cleanup might know how much work such a change really is. Now, who wants to pick this up? (I'm out, I'll be on vacation for the next couple weeks :) Ideally, we would also completely disable that expansion feature in the CVS settings (whatever kind of work that means exactly), right? -Stephan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [dev] question on custom XML schemas
On 10/11/07, Charles-H. Schulz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this may not be the best list for this. Anyway, it was first asked in an ODF forum, but turned out to me (imho) a purely OOo-related question. See here: http://opendocument.xml.org/node/838#comment-74 An answer would be appreciated. I dont think there are plans to provide a feature like this, there was a thread on the openoffice-xml list a while back which discussed some alternatives : http://xml.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=devmsgNo=3064 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [dev] Some thoughts about our community
Hi Mathias, On Wed, 2007-10-10 at 10:47 +0200, Mathias Bauer wrote: I'm sure that he is not naive enough to believe that the rules of the project would be changed in a hurry just because he started his campaign. IMHO it's certainly worth changing the rules to meet contributors legitimate concerns. In a hurry ;-), probably not - but to effectively rule out any change before OO.o 3.0 (Summer 2008) by starting a duplication effort is unfortunate; and shows the likely outcome here. Nobody tries to sell anything. If people don't want to share the copyright with Sun, it's fine. Unfortunately, it's not that fine - since they can't get their code into OpenOffice.org, which totally sucks. Sun's StarOffice is not the reason for the JCA. We could make it even without it as do others with their own proprietary versions. What are the purposes for which the JCA is necessary then ? Which of these purposes are valuable enough to Sun, that a foundation cannot easily fulfil them ? and lets state here that adequate funding for a non-profit to defend the license, perform due diligence etc. should not be an issue. The foundation won't solve anything. It solves a serious transparency trust problem around ownership. But there's another problem. Novell never had any problems with the JCA for years but their contributions to OOo never came close to what you could expect from the number of people they claim to have assigned to OOo. We claim to have 15 people working on OO.o; their names are: Michael Meeks, Radek Doulik, Florian Reuter, Tor Lillqvist, Petr Mladek, Noel Power, Eric Ward, Fong, Jian-Hua, Hubert Figure, Fridrich Strba, Kohei Yoshida, Jon Prior, Zhang Yun (/contract people), Jan Nieuwenhuizen (starting soon), and JP Rosevear (mgmt). Perhaps some of them don't exist :-) to be sure, I've not met all of our Chinese hackers in person. As for not contributing close to what you expect, I am sorry to disappoint you. It is easy (for those who have tried external development on OO.o) to imagine many reasons why that could be. I'm personally pleased with our level of contribution, though as newer engineers slowly get more familiar with the code I expect the level to increase a little :-) And they still refuse to do anything else than hacking code what even more diminishes their contributions. Eric does QA; but yes - we think that focusing on fixing improving the code is a strength, not a weakness. RedHat, whose work we both appreciate, has AFAICS a similar focus on coding. I didn't criticize that nor did anybody else from Sun. But we expect that all people responsible for that move live with the consequences. Including Sun. To pretend that Sun has no choice here is just silly ;-) we both made a choice - I'm happy to defend mine; you seem to deny yours was a choice, though I can understand that it was not you that chose it :-) And I criticized that Kohei left out in his blog that it indeed was shown to Novell how this code could be contributed to OOo without a JCA. As Kohei explained in a comment to my blog, he wasn't aware of this option because those in his company who knew that didn't tell him. This is just silly :-) It is clear Sun that is refusing to include the code, and then doing this hostile duplication. We have all been aware of this plug-in idea, but if this is the answer: why does Sun not simply take the code and make it such a plugin: it should be fairly easy, Sun (or anyone else) is free to do that any time. We want to see our work included with OO.o by default, and ensure there is no demotivating wasteful duplication effort; the exact packaging mechanics: plug-in vs. component, vs. patch are completely irrelevant to my mind. All the best, Michael. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [dev] Some thoughts about our community
Michael Meeks wrote: We claim to have 15 people working on OO.o; their names are: Michael Meeks, Radek Doulik, Florian Reuter, Tor Lillqvist, Petr Mladek, Noel Power, Eric Ward, Fong, Jian-Hua, Hubert Figure, Fridrich Strba, Kohei Yoshida, Jon Prior, Zhang Yun (/contract people), Jan Nieuwenhuizen (starting soon), and JP Rosevear (mgmt). Actually that makes 16. And you left out kendy. But you know, I'm always glad to help :-) Kind regards, pl -- If you give someone a program, you will frustrate them for a day; if you teach them how to program, you will frustrate them for a lifetime. -- Author unknown - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [dev] PresentationClock
Hi Hector, On Friday, 2007-09-07 17:09:12 -0600, Hector Socas Navarro wrote: I've written a little program in C to use in combination with Impress that will help presenters keep track of time. Sounds useful. The source code and an executable can be found in: http://download.hao.ucar.edu/pub/navarro/PresentationClock/ To draw more attention from OOo users you might be interested in creating an extension package and add it to the new OOo extension repository, for details please see http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/ Eike P.S.: As you're not subscribed to the mailing list you were posting to, you will miss replies that are directed to the list only. When answering, please reply only to the list (Reply-To header is set), not to my personal account. Thanks. -- OOo/SO Calc core developer. Number formatter stricken i18n transpositionizer. SunSign 0x87F8D412 : 2F58 5236 DB02 F335 8304 7D6C 65C9 F9B5 87F8 D412 OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't send personal mail to this [EMAIL PROTECTED] account, which I use for mailing lists only and don't read from outside Sun. Use [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks. pgpffZjkE3lTv.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [dev] Some thoughts about our community
On Thu, 2007-10-11 at 12:53 +0200, Philipp Lohmann wrote: Michael Meeks wrote: We claim to have 15 people working on OO.o; their names are: Michael Meeks, Radek Doulik, Florian Reuter, Tor Lillqvist, Petr Mladek, Noel Power, Eric Ward, Fong, Jian-Hua, Hubert Figure, Fridrich Strba, Kohei Yoshida, Jon Prior, Zhang Yun (/contract people), Jan Nieuwenhuizen (starting soon), and JP Rosevear (mgmt). Actually that makes 16. And you left out kendy. Good grief ! how could I omit Kendy ? (particularly since, as you see he has 2 names) - Jan Holesovsky and Kendy [ so I could have write him twice (which perhaps matches his large contribution) ]. You would be amazed at the fun that can be had on phone conferences with (now) 2 Jan's and a Jian (almost a homophone) ;-) But you're right, we round downish - since, it seems I spent a lot of time working on platform issues that affect OO.o, and JP is a part-time manager on OO.o etc. But you know, I'm always glad to help :-) Thanks, Michael. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [dev] Formula engine question
Hi Kohei, On Thursday, 2007-09-13 11:39:30 -0400, Kohei Yoshida wrote: Last the not least, I'm sure Eike would say (if he was here) that you should join the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list for further Calc related discussions. So, here we go. :-) Confirming that strategy :) Eike -- OOo/SO Calc core developer. Number formatter stricken i18n transpositionizer. SunSign 0x87F8D412 : 2F58 5236 DB02 F335 8304 7D6C 65C9 F9B5 87F8 D412 OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't send personal mail to this [EMAIL PROTECTED] account, which I use for mailing lists only and don't read from outside Sun. Use [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks. pgpdI3r1s9OPw.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [dev] Getting chars for a given language
Hi Frank, On Sunday, 2007-09-23 00:01:50 +0200, Frank Meies wrote: looks like this should be done in the i18n module. I forwarded your question to Eike. Answered yesterday on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list. Eike -- OOo/SO Calc core developer. Number formatter stricken i18n transpositionizer. SunSign 0x87F8D412 : 2F58 5236 DB02 F335 8304 7D6C 65C9 F9B5 87F8 D412 OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't send personal mail to this [EMAIL PROTECTED] account, which I use for mailing lists only and don't read from outside Sun. Use [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks. pgpOIkMtth4DZ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [dev] Proposed Thread / Process Lifecycle
Took a while, but just added the SAL based implementation to http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:Kr/A_Thread%27s_Life There seem to be some issues with SAL threads though, slightly different semantics of UNIX vs. Windows implementations, some missing functionality, some inherent races, but let me nail that down first, before complaining some false positives :-) Kay Kay Ramme - Sun Germany - Hamburg wrote: Joerg, - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [dev] Feature in OpenOffice Calc
Hi Jonathan, On Tuesday, 2007-09-18 11:10:48 +0100, Jonathan Cutting wrote: I've been trying to migrate all my work from MS Office 97 to OO, and there is a particularly useful feature in Excel that I can't find in Calc. In some of my workbooks there are several sheets, and these vary in size - so I use different zoom levels for each sheet. There's an RFE for this, http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=75766 Eike P.S.: As you're not subscribed to the mailing list you were posting to, you will miss replies that are directed to the list only. When answering, please reply only to the list (Reply-To header is set), not to my personal account. Thanks. -- OOo/SO Calc core developer. Number formatter stricken i18n transpositionizer. SunSign 0x87F8D412 : 2F58 5236 DB02 F335 8304 7D6C 65C9 F9B5 87F8 D412 OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't send personal mail to this [EMAIL PROTECTED] account, which I use for mailing lists only and don't read from outside Sun. Use [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks. pgpck5Floq6vf.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [dev] I want to be a Contributer
Hi Bernd, On Wednesday, 2007-09-19 15:21:50 +0200, Bernd Eilers wrote: [... nice long list of pointers to information for new contributors ...] That could serve as a template to setup a wiki page we then could always point to, or do we have such thing already? Eike -- OOo/SO Calc core developer. Number formatter stricken i18n transpositionizer. SunSign 0x87F8D412 : 2F58 5236 DB02 F335 8304 7D6C 65C9 F9B5 87F8 D412 OpenOffice.org Engineering at Sun: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS Please don't send personal mail to this [EMAIL PROTECTED] account, which I use for mailing lists only and don't read from outside Sun. Use [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks. pgpqMdaS5bw7K.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [dev] How to get the supported interfaces of an unknown object ?
Marten Feldtmann wrote: All I would like to have is a way to implement: anObject.SupportsInterfacesNamed(com.sun.star.reflection.XTypeDescription) See com.sun.star.lang.XTypeProvider, which should be implemented by every UNO object (but probably isn't for some). which may returns true or false and this via UNO calls and not via BASIC special calls (to use it under OLE). I thought, that perhaps queryInterface might help me, but I do not understand type and how to get the type for a name like com.sun.star.reflection.XTypeDescription ? queryInterface (although erroneously mentioned in the language-independent XInterface.idl) is language-binding--specific functionality. Which language are you talking about (Java, C++, etc.)? -Stephan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [dev] How to get the supported interfaces of an unknown object ?
Stephan Bergmann schrieb: Marten Feldtmann wrote: All I would like to have is a way to implement: anObject.SupportsInterfacesNamed(com.sun.star.reflection.XTypeDescription) See com.sun.star.lang.XTypeProvider, which should be implemented by every UNO object (but probably isn't for some). Then we are in a circle :-) - XTypeProvider may return you some information about an object and returns an instance, which supports at least com.sun.star.reflection.XTypeDescription - but how is it going on then ? I want to query the returned instance, if it implements additional interfaces - just to know how to react - therefore the example above ... To summarize - in the example above anObject is an object which at least implements com.sun.star.reflection.XTypeDescription - but does it also implements additional interfaces ? This problem arrises, if you work with the enumeration you may receive from *createTypeDescriptionEnumeration. * You may work around this particular problem, by querying the typeClass - but I do not see a general solution for this problem ... In StarBasic this feature seems to be called: HasUnoInterface(object, string) .. ** which may returns true or false and this via UNO calls and not via BASIC special calls (to use it under OLE). I thought, that perhaps queryInterface might help me, but I do not understand type and how to get the type for a name like com.sun.star.reflection.XTypeDescription ? queryInterface (although erroneously mentioned in the language-independent XInterface.idl) is language-binding--specific functionality. Which language are you talking about (Java, C++, etc.)? I'm looking for OLE ... Marten - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [dev] How to get the supported interfaces of an unknown object ?
Marten Feldtmann wrote: Stephan Bergmann schrieb: Marten Feldtmann wrote: All I would like to have is a way to implement: anObject.SupportsInterfacesNamed(com.sun.star.reflection.XTypeDescription) See com.sun.star.lang.XTypeProvider, which should be implemented by every UNO object (but probably isn't for some). Then we are in a circle :-) - XTypeProvider may return you some information about an object and returns an instance, which supports at least com.sun.star.reflection.XTypeDescription - but how is it going on then ? I want to query the returned instance, if it implements additional interfaces - just to know how to react - therefore the example above ... No. XTypeProvider.getTypes returns a sequencetype. No idea how you get to XTypeDescription from there. To summarize - in the example above anObject is an object which at least implements com.sun.star.reflection.XTypeDescription - but does it also implements additional interfaces ? Yes, you can try to answer that question in two ways: - queryInterface anObject for XTypeProvider and call getTypes - queryInterface anObject for the types you are interested in In theory, both ways should give the same results. And how queryInterface anObject for ... exactly has to be written in code is language-binding--specific. This problem arrises, if you work with the enumeration you may receive from *createTypeDescriptionEnumeration. * You may work around this particular problem, by querying the typeClass - but I do not see a general solution for this problem ... In StarBasic this feature seems to be called: HasUnoInterface(object, string) .. ** which may returns true or false and this via UNO calls and not via BASIC special calls (to use it under OLE). I thought, that perhaps queryInterface might help me, but I do not understand type and how to get the type for a name like com.sun.star.reflection.XTypeDescription ? queryInterface (although erroneously mentioned in the language-independent XInterface.idl) is language-binding--specific functionality. Which language are you talking about (Java, C++, etc.)? I'm looking for OLE ... No idea about OLE. Maybe Jochen can help when he is back from vacation. -Stephan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [dev] Re: UNOPKG and extension deployment
http://api.openoffice.org/docs/DevelopersGuide/Extensions/Extensions.xhtml#1_7_Dependencies: Hmm, so could I have an example of how to specify a dependency on a feature present only in some FooBar version of OOo? Btw, do I read the referred-to section of the specification correctly, that OpenOffice.org-minimal-version is both an element and and an optional attribute of each child element of description? Would the below example be the correct way to specify a requirement for a specific build of OOo that recognizes and implements certain version-specific dependencies? Let's ssume this Foo version of OOo contains code so that it knows that it implements the foo:HavePatch dependency for some foo:PatchName attribute values, and the foo:Platform dependency with its attributes. Would a non-Foo build of OOo then correctly reject this extension with some message like This extension requires the following features not present in this version: 'The xyzzy.diff patch present in the Foo build of OOo', 'Windows XP' ? description xmlns=http://openoffice.org/extensions/description/2006; xmlns:dep=http://openoffice.org/extensions/description/2006; xmlns:foo=http://foo.whatever.org/whatever/foo/12345; xmlns:xlink=http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink; version value=1.0.6-1 / dependencies OpenOffice.org-minimal-version value=2.1 dep:name=OpenOffice.org 2.1/ foo:HavePatch foo:PatchName=xyzzy.diff dep:name=The xyzzy.diff patch present in the Foo build of OOo/ foo:Platform foo:PlatformArchitecture=x86 foo:OS=Windows foo:MinOSVer=XP dep:name=Windows XP/ /dependencies /description (Do I understand the specification correctly, it is possible to specify platform requirements only for UNO native components (shared libraries), not for extensions in general that do not contain UNO components? Or *should* all extensions contain even just a minimal dummy UNO component shared library?) Cheers, --tml - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
