Re: [OSM-dev] ESRI article sent by a friend
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 12-07-10 07:25, Alan Mintz schreef: 1. It's not ignored if users have to stumble over duplicate data when editing and either reconcile (which should have been done by the importing person) or ignore it. Editor, software, issue. A good editor selectively filters out information, so that the user doesn't get an information overload (or worse: breaks other data) Unfortunately, the API itself doesn't do any filtering if you do a bbox request. You still download the excess data even if the editor is smart. And don't say that we can upgrade the API since that is quite disruptive and imports are happening right now. 2. If the import uses existing tags (as did my example), it _does_ get rendered. It is pretty trivial not to render anything from a specific user. That we currently don't do such thing doesn't mean we can't. Not trivial if the data has been touched by other users and is impossible if the data has been replaced by a completely new OSM feature with the same tags. For example, splitting a way will result into at least one completely new way which is not from the specific user with respect to the data. In addition, the importer might be using his normal user account without a guarantee that we can distinguish his import edits and his normal edits. 3. Adding lots of junk data expands the database, costing performance and real $$ with no benefit. Everything is slower with more data - downloads, editing, backups, etc. Also, it increases the number and complexity of chunks you have to chop areas into because of the object limit in the API. All with no benefit. The complete API design of OpenStreetMap sucks scalability wise. Having arbitrary limits on the length of paths, or the amount of data we /can/ import won't solve that bottleneck. Stefan ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Comprehensive set of GPS track logs
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 11:55 PM, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: To clarify you are looking for GPS traces from car or vehicle traffic ideally in one city. Exactly. Tried a transit authority for their bus traces? That would give you plenty of data plus time of day traffic and consistency on routes and the GPS equipment used for the traces. I tried that with some public transport companies in the Czech republic, but they do not want to share their data. On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 12:03 AM, Komяpa m...@komzpa.net wrote: First, what I've seen are GPS traces near Baranovichi on OSM: http://osm.org/go/0k1rqeG - try loading those in josm. Second, you might want to ask user http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/doroga%20tv - they run a monitoring service, and have loaded lots of traces into OSM. Thanks, for the tips. On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 1:27 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: What do you mean by comprehensive? You mean, covering all of one person's movements during some period of time? Or do you just mean lots of? I need data that give overal view of traffic in some area. So basicly I mean lots of. ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] ESRI article sent by a friend
1. It's not ignored if users have to stumble over duplicate data when editing and either reconcile (which should have been done by the importing person) or ignore it. Editor, software, issue. A good editor selectively filters out information, so that the user doesn't get an information overload (or worse: breaks other data) I think that editor and rendering toolchain developers should spend their time on more useful features, etc, rather than trying to exclude some arbitrary data set - which, as time goes on and more people touch the data becomes harder and harder to filter out. And you're asking thousands of other OSM contributors to construct their own filter set in order to begin editing without being overwhelmed. If the filters are predefined and the data is never shown for editing or rendering, why have it? 2. If the import uses existing tags (as did my example), it _does_ get rendered. It is pretty trivial not to render anything from a specific user. That we currently don't do such thing doesn't mean we can't. Referring to the same example as Alan used - there is no argument for poorly geo-located imports. The most frequent end result was companies plopped in the middle of roads, in some cases miles from actual locations; companies that hadn't existed for years. Outdated and wrong data won't correct itself as it ages. ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] ESRI article sent by a friend
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 12-07-10 14:15, Mike N. schreef: If the filters are predefined and the data is never shown for editing or rendering, why have it? For the simple reason that there is not only one rendering of /the/ OpenStreetMap map. Referring to the same example as Alan used - there is no argument for poorly geo-located imports. Indeed, there is no argument for that. But that isn't the only thing that is available. Stefan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.15 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEAREKAAYFAkw7DawACgkQYH1+F2Rqwn1uAgCeJudWlU/OYPHTA1B4mK4ssKxm GxMAn3J1OxAv/7EdusJHXlFK+gARCG5R =5Fct -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] Update Rendered Tiles and Map
Hello Every One, I have a map of serving stiles, i have rendered the tiles when i have configured it. Now i want to update my map, But i don't know how to do it. Is their any script render only the updated area or i have to render all the map again ? Please help me. -- With Kind Regards Parveen Arora osmpunjab.co.cc ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Update Rendered Tiles and Map
PARVEEN ARORA wrote: Is their any script render only the updated area or i have to render all the map again ? Please help me. Please have a look at the documentation in the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Minutely_Mapnik Stephan ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
[OSM-dev] North America gone in geofabrik and tagwatch
I just tried to look at tagwatch for North-america and got a 404, possibly because there is no north-america directory at http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/ either. What's up? -- Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [OSM-dev] Update Rendered Tiles and Map
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 12:28 AM, Stephan Knauss o...@stephans-server.de wrote: Please have a look at the documentation in the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Minutely_Mapnik Thanks for your help. -- With Kind Regards Parveen Arora osmpunjab.co.cc ___ dev mailing list dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Re: [josm-dev] Fwd: Manual zoom JOSM
Yes..it's what I need to know!! Thank you so much!!! Irene -Original Message- From: josm-dev-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:josm-dev-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of André Riedel Sent: domenica 11 luglio 2010 9.10 To: josm-dev@openstreetmap.org Subject: [josm-dev] Fwd: Manual zoom JOSM forgott to send to list -- Forwarded message -- From: André Riedel riedel.an...@gmail.com Date: 2010/7/9 Subject: Re: [josm-dev] Manual zoom JOSM To: Shaun McDonald o...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk On 9 Jul 2010, at 14:32, Irene Pucci wrote: Do you know if there is a way to control the zoom in JOSM? For example if I want to pass directly from 50m to 100m, without passing between the intermediate values. Click on the coordinates in the lower left. A window of the current position and zoom level opens. Change the values to move to a specified zoom. 2010/7/9 Shaun McDonald o...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk: Heh, this has just come up as a usability issue discussion at SOTM, as there is no way to be able to be able to easily zoom without a scroll wheel. It isn't easy, but possible. Use '+' or '-' keys or the zoom slider. André ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] New feature
Markus marku...@bigpond.com writes: Hello, I am impressed with the work being done on JOSM. Thankyou. I am wondering if it is possible, that the uploading changeset data box include a percentage done. Not in a meaningful way. During upload most time is spent by waiting for the server response and JOSM has no way of knowing the progress of the server processing your data. The actual upload does not take all that long. What could be done in principle is to change the status text to Waiting for server response ... or so to indicate that all data has been sent. When hitting Cancle after that JOSM could display a warning that the upload actually was complete and that there is a high probability that the data will show up in the database and that JOSM's data is likely out of sync. Matthias ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
