Re: [OSM-dev] How to get non-technical users easily editing (offline)?

2010-09-22 Thread Jonathan Bennett

 On 22/09/2010 06:52, Sam Wilson wrote:
 I'm currently thinking of changing this mud-map to use the relevant 
OSM tile as a starting point, and getting the users to sketch in their 
notes and modifications over the top, and then uploading these 
modified tiles to our server from where I can use them as backgrounds 
in JOSM.  I'm just wondering whether anyone's done anything like this 
before.

Take a look at Walking Papers:

http://walking-papers.org/

This does a similar thing, but with printouts that can be given to 
non-technical mappers to make notes on. You then scan the annotated map 
back into Walking Papers, which makes it available as a background in 
Potlatch (or JOSM, if you like).


The printouts are just PDFs, so you may already be able to hack 
something together using Walking Papers, but certain take a look and 
talk to Michal.


Jonathan

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Re: [OSM-dev] How to get non-technical users easily editing (offline)?

2010-09-22 Thread Sam Wilson

 On 2010-09-22 3:47 PM, Jonathan Bennett wrote:

Take a look at Walking Papers:

http://walking-papers.org/

This does a similar thing, but with printouts that can be given to 
non-technical mappers to make notes on. You then scan the annotated 
map back into Walking Papers, which makes it available as a background 
in Potlatch (or JOSM, if you like).


The printouts are just PDFs, so you may already be able to hack 
something together using Walking Papers, but certain take a look and 
talk to Michal.


Yes, of course!  I was working from the idea of Walking Papers, but 
trying to apply it to screen-based editing.  But I could just *use* 
images straight from WP!


The biggest problem I have is that not all of the notes made on the maps 
will be of interest to OSM, and in some cases will contain private 
data.  So I was figuring on doing a fair bit of processing myself 
(there's usually only three or four field assessors doing the data 
collection).  I shall look into getting the JOSM Walking Papers plugin 
to use images from a local source.


(This project, by the way, if anyone's interested, is to assist power 
pole assessors in Western Australia; people who travel thousands of kms 
a month all over the state, driving all the back ways and small roads, 
and taking note of fences, gates, power lines.  We've started using OSM 
data for locating poles, and I thought it'd be nice to feed some of our 
data back in to the map.)


- Sam.

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Re: [OSM-dev] How to get non-technical users easily editing (offline)?

2010-09-22 Thread John Smith
On 22 September 2010 18:10, Sam Wilson s...@archives.org.au wrote:
 (This project, by the way, if anyone's interested, is to assist power pole
 assessors in Western Australia; people who travel thousands of kms a month

Are you planning to upload pole locations to OSM? The poles are of
interest to some, but I'm thinking the pole reference numbers to
lat/lon would be useful. Someone else expressed interest in emergency
phone reference numbers, so they could be used to more quickly locate
people, apparently private road ways don't need to supply this
information to government.

 all over the state, driving all the back ways and small roads, and taking
 note of fences, gates, power lines.

Do these people keep GPS tracks by any chance?

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Re: [OSM-dev] How to get non-technical users easily editing (offline)?

2010-09-22 Thread Sam Wilson

 On 2010-09-22 4:17 PM, John Smith wrote:

On 22 September 2010 18:10, Sam Wilsons...@archives.org.au  wrote:

(This project, by the way, if anyone's interested, is to assist power pole
assessors in Western Australia; people who travel thousands of kms a month

Are you planning to upload pole locations to OSM? The poles are of
interest to some, but I'm thinking the pole reference numbers to
lat/lon would be useful. Someone else expressed interest in emergency
phone reference numbers, so they could be used to more quickly locate
people, apparently private road ways don't need to supply this
information to government.
Ultimately, yes, but although I've got this data now (for all 3,340,068 
of them), it's not allowed to be used.  It's awfully wrong, too, in lots 
of cases!  So, it's forming the basis for pole locating, and then the 
confirmed positions will come back, and hopefully be allowed to be used 
in OSM.  Even if the locations and reference numbers of the poles are 
held back, the other stuff -- roads, tracks, fences, gates, etc. -- will 
be fine to upload.



all over the state, driving all the back ways and small roads, and taking
note of fences, gates, power lines.

Do these people keep GPS tracks by any chance?
Yes!  And they *used* to be accessible to me.  Recently, however, we 
moved to a different system, and I am still negotiating how they can be 
used.  I'm hoping to impress management with the pole locating stuff, 
and then they'll see the value of helping make the map better and better.


- Sam.

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Re: [OSM-dev] How to get non-technical users easily editing (offline)?

2010-09-22 Thread Shaun McDonald
On Wed, September 22, 2010 9:10 am, Sam Wilson wrote:
   On 2010-09-22 3:47 PM, Jonathan Bennett wrote:
 Take a look at Walking Papers:

 http://walking-papers.org/

 This does a similar thing, but with printouts that can be given to
 non-technical mappers to make notes on. You then scan the annotated
 map back into Walking Papers, which makes it available as a background
 in Potlatch (or JOSM, if you like).

 The printouts are just PDFs, so you may already be able to hack
 something together using Walking Papers, but certain take a look and
 talk to Michal.

 Yes, of course!  I was working from the idea of Walking Papers, but
 trying to apply it to screen-based editing.  But I could just *use*
 images straight from WP!

 The biggest problem I have is that not all of the notes made on the maps
 will be of interest to OSM, and in some cases will contain private
 data.  So I was figuring on doing a fair bit of processing myself
 (there's usually only three or four field assessors doing the data
 collection).  I shall look into getting the JOSM Walking Papers plugin
 to use images from a local source.

Have you taken a look at Potlatch2? It allows you to customise the
interface easily, so that only the appropriate things that are needed for
that group of editors is shown, thus making it easier for them.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Potlatch_2/Deploying_Potlatch_2

Shaun


 (This project, by the way, if anyone's interested, is to assist power
 pole assessors in Western Australia; people who travel thousands of kms
 a month all over the state, driving all the back ways and small roads,
 and taking note of fences, gates, power lines.  We've started using OSM
 data for locating poles, and I thought it'd be nice to feed some of our
 data back in to the map.)

 - Sam.

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Re: [OSM-dev] How to get non-technical users easily editing (offline)?

2010-09-22 Thread Sam Wilson

On 22/09/10 5:55 PM, Shaun McDonald wrote:

Have you taken a look at Potlatch2? It allows you to customise the
interface easily, so that only the appropriate things that are needed for
that group of editors is shown, thus making it easier for them.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Potlatch_2/Deploying_Potlatch_2


Unfortunately, this all has to work offline, so Potlatch can't help me. 
 But really, that idea of limiting an editor to a specific set of tags 
(etc.) seems great; anyone know if one of the offline editors would lend 
itself to that sort of thing?


- Sam.

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Re: [OSM-dev] How to get non-technical users easily editing (offline)?

2010-09-22 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/22 Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de:

 You can completely configure the presets available in josm but you can't
 remove the possibility of changing existing data or adding arbitrary tags
 via the tag editor.


You could simply not show the tag editor (I would actually do this for
a declared simple editor directed to newbies).

cheers,
Martin

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Re: [OSM-dev] How to get non-technical users easily editing (offline)?

2010-09-22 Thread Jonathan Bennett

 On 22/09/2010 11:10, Sam Wilson wrote:
Unfortunately, this all has to work offline, so Potlatch can't help 
me.  But really, that idea of limiting an editor to a specific set of 
tags (etc.) seems great; anyone know if one of the offline editors 
would lend itself to that sort of thing?


As with JOSM, Merkaartor can take custom tag templates, which make 
entering data for specific tags easier, and they appear above the 
free-form tag entry fields. Merkaartor also allows you to customise the 
map rendering from within the application (no file editing). However, it 
does need installing, as opposed to JOSM's drop-in operation.


If you're interested in trying Merkaartor, I can come up with a couple 
of simple examples, or pop into the Merkaartor mailing list.


Jonathan

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Re: [OSM-dev] How to get non-technical users easily editing (offline)?

2010-09-22 Thread Chris Browet

 the map rendering from within the application (no file editing). However,
 it does need installing, as opposed to JOSM's drop-in operation.

 Note however that since 0.16, there is a portable version of Merkaartor
for Windows, i.e. a plain zip file you extract anywhere and just
double-click the exe. See Merkaartor portable zip at
http://merkaartor.be/projects/merkaartor/files

BTW, even the installed version can be started with -p for the same
functionality.

- Chris -
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