Re: [dev] Simpler WiFi alternatives

[NRK]

On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 10:10:31PM +0200, Yan Doroshenko wrote:
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I'd like to take a moment and thank everyone for an extremely polite,
> respectful and to the point discussion regarding the topic at hand. I was
> immensely pleased to have witnessed such a splendid display of a real
> community spirit as well as an immense level of professionalism. No doubt
> everyone involved is absolutely content with himself as well as his actions
> and would have no doubt conducted the same way were it a face to face
> discussion.

It is true that this thread has been a massive cesspool. But
passive-aggressive replies like this does not help the situation - it
only contributes more to the cesspool.

- NRK

Re: [dev] Simpler WiFi alternatives

[Anselm Garbe]

Hi there,

On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 1:04 PM  wrote:
> DISCLAIMER: a shittily-put rant which should be useful, hopefully. Sorry, my
> eyes hurt a lot already.. god fucking dammit :(
>
> You wanted a simple reply? You got a fucking storm lmao, enjoy.

Talk to your green supplier, that they should double check their
operation, it seems that some ingredients are causing heavy side
effects...

And please don't abuse this list too hard. Treat others like you want
to be treated; or do us a favor and unsubscribe voluntarily.

Thanks,
Anselm

Re: [dev] Simpler WiFi alternatives

[Yan Doroshenko]

Hello everyone,

I'd like to take a moment and thank everyone for an extremely polite, 
respectful and to the point discussion regarding the topic at hand. I 
was immensely pleased to have witnessed such a splendid display of a 
real community spirit as well as an immense level of professionalism. No 
doubt everyone involved is absolutely content with himself as well as 
his actions and would have no doubt conducted the same way were it a 
face to face discussion.


Regards,

Yan



On 5/12/23 22:02, Hiltjo Posthuma wrote:

On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 11:39:43AM -0700, Jeremy wrote:

On 05/12/23 08:27AM, Lee Phillips wrote:

Since the administrators of this list are unable or unwilling to block access 
to this loser, I'm unsubscribing. I don't need this kind of garbage in my 
inbox. I have plenty of other kinds of garbage already.


Lee

[...]

Even if we agreed that Fossy has nothing to contribute here, I believe
they are physically unable to block Mr. Fossy, simply because this kind
of moderation is costly.


Just for your info.  The message was only posted a few hours ago and I was
doing other things this day.

I think most people know whats an effective/good/"acceptable" way to
communicate.

Treat others how you want to be treated (very woke and uncool, I know).



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Re: [dev] Simpler WiFi alternatives

[Hiltjo Posthuma]

On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 11:39:43AM -0700, Jeremy wrote:
> On 05/12/23 08:27AM, Lee Phillips wrote:
> > Since the administrators of this list are unable or unwilling to block 
> > access to this loser, I'm unsubscribing. I don't need this kind of garbage 
> > in my inbox. I have plenty of other kinds of garbage already.
> > 
> > 
> > Lee
> 
> [...]
> 
> Even if we agreed that Fossy has nothing to contribute here, I believe
> they are physically unable to block Mr. Fossy, simply because this kind
> of moderation is costly.
> 

Just for your info.  The message was only posted a few hours ago and I was
doing other things this day.

I think most people know whats an effective/good/"acceptable" way to
communicate.

Treat others how you want to be treated (very woke and uncool, I know).

-- 
Kind regards,
Hiltjo

Re: [dev] organizing programs

[Jeremy]

On 05/12/23 02:11PM, LM wrote:
> I'd be curious to know what tools other people use on the list to
> handle organizational jobs such as time and task scheduling, todo
> lists, habit tracking, displaying/printing calendars, etc.  Any
> recommendations?  If you use more than one application, which programs
> work together or chain well?  Thanks.
> 

Because my deadlines tend to be more fluid, I've found "todo trees"
to be helpful in terms of managing tasks & task dependencies.

One of my recent "todo trees":
curl jer.cx/pasta/QtA | dot -Tpng /dev/stdin -o o.png && sxiv o.png

We're using graphviz' "dot" for the visualization here.

In the example, I need a downtime window before I can goto the DC, as
well as some hardware brackets, then when we're there, we can install
the hardware, etc;

Not sure how one would visualize(& make it easy to express) deadlines,
dependencies & conditionals, but I suspect there's a very lucrative market
oppurtunity for someone who could.

Re: [dev] Simpler WiFi alternatives

[Jeremy]

On 05/12/23 08:27AM, Lee Phillips wrote:
> Since the administrators of this list are unable or unwilling to block access 
> to this loser, I'm unsubscribing. I don't need this kind of garbage in my 
> inbox. I have plenty of other kinds of garbage already.
> 
> 
> Lee

Though I don't appreciate Mr. Fossy sexualizing children, I wouldn't
call him a loser. Tough to argue he contributes less to this mailing
list than some of the patches that come through(my own, included).

Even if we agreed that Fossy has nothing to contribute here, I believe
they are physically unable to block Mr. Fossy, simply because this kind
of moderation is costly.

You can always donate to suckless through PayPal using their teasurer's
address: fina...@suckless.org

Jeremy

[dev] organizing programs

[LM]

I've been looking into todo programs, task schedulers and related
organizing programs.  I ran across information about todo.txt and org
mode and that got me interested in chaining some programs together
that could work with text based organizational information.  I just
completed writing a simple SDL program that takes a time as input,
brings up a green square and when the time is reached it gradually
changes the square to yellow and then red to warn a user to transition
into ending a current task (similar to alerts used by some
Toastmasters groups).  Trying to come up with some ways I could use it
with other programs.  From what I read, it didn't look like todo.txt
handled time periods in the specification but the information could
probably be added.  Some articles mentioned using ledger to track time
logging instead of using todo.txt.  For an offline calendar program,
I've used pcal in the past and I'm investigating calcurse at the
moment.

I'd be curious to know what tools other people use on the list to
handle organizational jobs such as time and task scheduling, todo
lists, habit tracking, displaying/printing calendars, etc.  Any
recommendations?  If you use more than one application, which programs
work together or chain well?  Thanks.

Re: [dev] Simpler WiFi alternatives

[fossy]

> On Fri, 12 May 2023 08:27:07 -0600
> Lee Phillips  wrote:
>
> > Since the administrators of this list are unable or unwilling to block
access to this loser, I'm unsubscribing. I don't need this kind of
garbage in my inbox. I have plenty of other kinds of garbage already.
>
> Good. Fuck off back to your safe space, LOSER.
>
> Fucking sick of whiny FAGS like you who have absolutely ruined the
internet with your bitching and whining and complaining about anything
that isn't politically correct. Go back to Germany where you belong,
Nazi.
>
> Dave

Are you by any chance gay? Because I love you.

I fucking love how you ended him with a 'Dave' hah.

People will end with the "you know what? I changed my mind, I DO want freedom
of speech", and freedom of speech doesn't mean only speech that one likes.
It is crucial to toughen our minds and prepare for the revolution.

The internet will get a revolution.. well.. at least the "dark-net" side
of it
will... well.. it is the revolution in-it-self, actually.

I don't know about Jews and Nazi and Hitler, but what I do know, is this:
Someone so powerful that their power matches that of a god, on Earth, is
messing with our lives. Is it Jews? I don't know, but Cahlen:0 on Lbry/Odysee
calls them demons.. and well, they are.
Who is? The most powerful entities on Earth, alongside those politicians who
mention children and exploit normies (the norm of societies) via their
emotional SOFTNESS and stupidity.


"Encryption is bad because child pussy can be shared because of math I mean
encryption. So to combat that, you agree to give us ABSOLUTE CONTROL and we
pwomise to be fair and lessen the child pussy ont he internet."

Meanwhile they do this and that on the Epstein island, fucking hypocrits.

But yeah, perhaps we should have a [rant], or you might be interested in
unbanning me on #suckless lol.

Did I push too far with child pussy? No, beacuse you aren't a fucking
child, so
I don't have to watch out for your feelings by saying something like 'CSAM'.
Oh, wait, mentally you are a child? dammit.. grow up.

No, seriously, social media and shit-shot(toktok) does make people
younger
in their brain. I might call them 'patients' since they're all sick, affected
with dopamine addiction similar if not worse than porn.

Alright, at least I'm not the only free-speech fellow here. I feel even
better
now.

Fucking live long, Dave! What a fucking legend.

Re: [dev] Simpler WiFi alternatives

[fossy]

> am not one of them (I have a banana IQ), but assume whoever is choose to
work
> with people not insulting them.

You're damn right about the banana IQ part.

Snowflake attitudes leads to censorship which leads to unfairness, anger,
rage,
and ultimately, among other things: shootings on wrong people, because
there's
like 0.0001% of places ont he internet where one can truly say whatever
they want, without being abused.
I've been abused however you can imagine, and I am fucking sick of it.

You don't want me and my freedom of speech? Goodbye (me getting banned on the
mailing list), and I'll start my own thing, separately.

Swearing and insulting/offending people and collaborating together with other
developers can be done; it's done so with I2Pd.
Orignal seems to work every.fucking.day. on I2Pd and even has time to
answer to
insults and trolls.
Swear-words and the norm there, if you were to come in-ther, you'd be
swearing
with your nice-talk.

I am not your mother, and you aren't mine, no reason to be nice and
"respective".

If a bunch wants to get shit done, they'll get shit done, and not whine
and cry
over a tiny insignificant insult.

Grow the fuck up, together with the rest of the internet addicts.

I don't care what happens afterwards on the mailing list, I did my part of
advocating freedom of speech among other things, and I.am.fucking.proud.
of it.

Re: [dev] Simpler WiFi alternatives

[fossy]

> why would he interleave every sentense with swearing.

Because I believe in freedom of speech, and well - I just want to be whoever
the fuck I am, and what I am is what was presented (except for the "draft"
which was explained and is below.

> {1} does not work well with {2}... how about rewriting this draft sent too
early into a document that you can present to the firmware, hardware,
software,
and gateware developers, and antenna designers (essential if you want a
bit of
range, you talked about kilometers) you'd need to team-up with to get such a
project done?

You obviously did not read the fucking disclaimer, you piece of shit.
Stop wasting my health when I'm trying to help, even if by information that
might not be 100% what you were looking for.


And I could die tomorrow, so I thought I'd share little that I could, which
might be helpful, directly or sideways.

Re: [dev] Simpler WiFi alternatives

[fossy]

> It's pretty clear that you don't know enough about the internet, its
protocols
> and how communication and addressing works. It's a complex mess and what
> you're trying to do won't work. You should acquire basic knowledge in order
> to ask more precise questions or, more importantly, answer them yourself.
> Start to inform yourself about networking and the inner workings of
networking
> devices instead of spamming this list with the same stuff over and over
again.
> As someone prior to me said, you act like you're on reddit.
>
> --
> Best Regards,
> Tom Schwindl

Or at least use IRC, right?
Where everyone uninterested can just ignore thon.

Re: [dev] Simpler WiFi alternatives

[Dave Blanchard]

On Fri, 12 May 2023 08:27:07 -0600
Lee Phillips  wrote:

> Since the administrators of this list are unable or unwilling to block access 
> to this loser, I'm unsubscribing. I don't need this kind of garbage in my 
> inbox. I have plenty of other kinds of garbage already.

Good. Fuck off back to your safe space, LOSER.

Fucking sick of whiny FAGS like you who have absolutely ruined the internet 
with your bitching and whining and complaining about anything that isn't 
politically correct. Go back to Germany where you belong, Nazi.

Dave

Re: [dev] Simpler WiFi alternatives

[Josuah Demangeon]

fo...@dnmx.org wrote:
> > On 23/05/11 04:03PM, fo...@dnmx.org wrote:
> > 
> 
> How am I a troll, and more importantly: so what if you don't like
> swearwords? I
> also don't like many things about you, for example you being a little
> worthless
> snowflake.
> 
> Sweardwords is literally just a list of words that are taboo-ed by the
> majority.
> I see no valid reason for me to stop swearing, unless this is like
> Facebook or
> some shit, otherwise get the fuck off, or ignore me.
> 
> 
> > This list needs moderation ASAP, otherwise it risks turning into another
> Reddit (which, for those who might not know, is a veritable cesspool).
> 
> Moderation is literally why Reddit sucks ;).
> I said I was horny as a child, and I got banned for 'sexualizing children'.
> If you think that is a valid reason, then you are seriously mentally demented
> and a banana has higher IQ than you.
> 
> Because of people like you YouTube is the way it is.. or at least for
> people like you* ;)
> If you think that YouTube is all nice and cool and "wow so for me", then
> you need to stop wasting my time and go consoome ShitTube until you die,
> censorship addict!

People able to implement routers and willing to work on unpaid open
source projects is a scarce resource.

I am not one of them (I have a banana IQ), but assume whoever is
choose to work with people not insulting them.

Re: [dev] Simpler WiFi alternatives

[Sagar Acharya]

Let us get back this conversation on track. What I'm trying to find is a simple 
C program which can be run on Arduino and analog pins connected to an antenna.

I did read this book "IPv6 essentials". What I want is a single C programs 
which distributed packets to say, 5 connected devices. The logic sounds pretty 
easy. Tag each request with an id, send, recieve and send it back to that 
device. Initially, handshakes would connect such devices.

Josuah's takes were interesting. I suggest you don't mind going along the 
tangent a bit. It adds to fun of life. I'm looking for low-range within home 
router.

Thanking you
Sagar Acharya
http://humaaraartha.in 



12 May 2023, 18:01 by m...@josuah.net:

> Страхиња Радић  wrote:
>
>> On 23/05/11 04:03PM, fo...@dnmx.org wrote:
>> 
>>
>
> Good point: if the author cares about the project presented,
> why would he interleave every sentense with swearing.
>
>> This list needs moderation ASAP, otherwise it risks turning into another
>> Reddit (which, for those who might not know, is a veritable cesspool).
>>
>
> Agreed, [dev] is not [rant]. This was not pleasant to read.
>
>> [shittily-put rant]{1} which [should be useful]{2}
>>
>
> {1} does not work well with {2}... how about rewriting this draft
> sent too early into a document that you can present to the firmware,
> hardware, software, and gateware developers, and antenna designers
> (essential if you want a bit of range, you talked about kilometers)
> you'd need to team-up with to get such a project done?
>
> Eventually on its own repo to synthesize the infirmation about it.
>
> Even if you end-up finding a device that matches, the research about
> it can then be useful to people interested in it.
>

Re: [dev] Simpler WiFi alternatives

[Lee Phillips]

Since the administrators of this list are unable or unwilling to block access 
to this loser, I'm unsubscribing. I don't need this kind of garbage in my 
inbox. I have plenty of other kinds of garbage already.


Lee

Re: [dev] Simpler WiFi alternatives

[fossy]

> On 23/05/11 04:03PM, fo...@dnmx.org wrote:
> 

How am I a troll, and more importantly: so what if you don't like
swearwords? I
also don't like many things about you, for example you being a little
worthless
snowflake.

Sweardwords is literally just a list of words that are taboo-ed by the
majority.
I see no valid reason for me to stop swearing, unless this is like
Facebook or
some shit, otherwise get the fuck off, or ignore me.


> This list needs moderation ASAP, otherwise it risks turning into another
Reddit (which, for those who might not know, is a veritable cesspool).

Moderation is literally why Reddit sucks ;).
I said I was horny as a child, and I got banned for 'sexualizing children'.
If you think that is a valid reason, then you are seriously mentally demented
and a banana has higher IQ than you.

Because of people like you YouTube is the way it is.. or at least for
people like you* ;)
If you think that YouTube is all nice and cool and "wow so for me", then
you need to stop wasting my time and go consoome ShitTube until you die,
censorship addict!

Re: [dev] Simpler WiFi alternatives

[Josuah Demangeon]

Страхиња Радић  wrote:
> On 23/05/11 04:03PM, fo...@dnmx.org wrote:
> 

Good point: if the author cares about the project presented,
why would he interleave every sentense with swearing.

> This list needs moderation ASAP, otherwise it risks turning into another 
> Reddit (which, for those who might not know, is a veritable cesspool).

Agreed, [dev] is not [rant]. This was not pleasant to read.

> [shittily-put rant]{1} which [should be useful]{2}

{1} does not work well with {2}... how about rewriting this draft
sent too early into a document that you can present to the firmware,
hardware, software, and gateware developers, and antenna designers
(essential if you want a bit of range, you talked about kilometers)
you'd need to team-up with to get such a project done?

Eventually on its own repo to synthesize the infirmation about it.

Even if you end-up finding a device that matches, the research about
it can then be useful to people interested in it.

Re: [dev] Simpler WiFi alternatives

[Tom Schwindl]

Hi Sagar,

On Wed May 10, 2023 at 8:38 PM CEST, Sagar Acharya wrote:
> I think routers ought to be way simpler than they currently are. I wonder if 
> y'all can recommend me some minimal C code which can be used as a router.
>
> I think that if the analog pins of arduino are connected to an antenna, and a 
> C code similar to,
>
> while 1
>     If (switch_1==1)        create_connection_with_handshake()
>     else if (switch_1==0)        send_packet_to_isp()
>         receive_packet_from_isp()
>         
> Something like that. Are there some existent projects like that? I really 
> don't think a router requires LibreCMC or OpenWRT like gigantic OSes.
>
>
> Thanking you
> Sagar Acharya
> http://humaaraartha.in 

It's pretty clear that you don't know enough about the internet, its protocols
and how communication and addressing works. It's a complex mess and what
you're trying to do won't work. You should acquire basic knowledge in order
to ask more precise questions or, more importantly, answer them yourself.
Start to inform yourself about networking and the inner workings of networking
devices instead of spamming this list with the same stuff over and over again.
As someone prior to me said, you act like you're on reddit.

-- 
Best Regards,
Tom Schwindl

Re: [dev] Simpler WiFi alternatives

[Страхиња Радић]

On 23/05/11 04:03PM, fo...@dnmx.org wrote:


This list needs moderation ASAP, otherwise it risks turning into another 
Reddit (which, for those who might not know, is a veritable cesspool).


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