Re: Proposed W3C Charter: Web of Things Interest Group

[Benjamin Francis]

Hi,

On behalf of the Mozilla IoT team I'd like to recommend that Mozilla
support this Interest Group charter.

There are a few topic areas I think are probably unnecessary (e.g. Thing
Templates and Scripting API), but these are all "explorations" and
non-normative deliverables. Overall the charter covers the broad topics we
would like to cover in our continued participation in this group.

We are now mainly concerned with the wording of the the proposed next WoT
Working Group charter
 which
will cover normative deliverables. I have already provided some feedback
 on that prior to AC review, in the
hope we can get it to the point where Mozilla would want to join that group
(of which we are not currently a member).

Just a reminder, the deadline for any further feedback on the Interest
Group charter is Friday 11th October.

Thanks

Ben

On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 01:50, L. David Baron  wrote:

> The W3C is proposing a revised charter for:
>
>   Web of Things Interest Group
>   https://www.w3.org/2019/07/wot-ig-2019.html
>   https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-new-work/2019Sep/0008.html
>
> The differences from the previous charter are:
>
> https://services.w3.org/htmldiff?doc1=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2016%2F07%2Fwot-ig-charter.html=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2019%2F07%2Fwot-ig-2019.html
>
> Mozilla has the opportunity to send comments or objections through
> Friday, October 11.
>
> Please reply to this thread if you think there's something we should
> say as part of this charter review, or if you think we should
> support or oppose it.
>
> -David
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Proposed W3C Charter: Web of Things Interest Group

[L. David Baron]

The W3C is proposing a revised charter for:

  Web of Things Interest Group
  https://www.w3.org/2019/07/wot-ig-2019.html
  https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-new-work/2019Sep/0008.html

The differences from the previous charter are:
https://services.w3.org/htmldiff?doc1=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2016%2F07%2Fwot-ig-charter.html=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2019%2F07%2Fwot-ig-2019.html

Mozilla has the opportunity to send comments or objections through
Friday, October 11.

Please reply to this thread if you think there's something we should
say as part of this charter review, or if you think we should
support or oppose it.

-David

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Re: Proposed W3C Charter: Web of Things Interest Group

[Martin Thomson]

On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 3:19 AM, Anne van Kesteren  wrote:
> We should just let them do their thing and do our thing elsewhere.

This seems like a reasonable plan.  Unless and until someone thinks
that a course correction is feasible, or decides that it's worth
trying.
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Re: Proposed W3C Charter: Web of Things Interest Group

[Anne van Kesteren]

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 7:14 PM, Benjamin Francis  wrote:
> Can we make suggestions about how to improve the charter rather than just
> oppose it? I don't necessarily agree with the technical approach the group
> is currently taking, but I do agree that the Web of Things could be a
> valuable area for standardisation, as a layer of abstraction above various
> incompatible IoT protocols which makes "things" linkable, discoverable and
> interoperable via URLs.
>
> Perhaps the effort should be more focused on use cases and real world
> implementations before, as Marcos says, going off into the RDF weeds.

We should just let them do their thing and do our thing elsewhere.
Otherwise you get another payments and nobody wins.

I recommend reading through http://dbaron.org/log/2006-08#e20060818a.
A decade old, but nothing changed.


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Re: Proposed W3C Charter: Web of Things Interest Group

[Benjamin Francis]

On 22 June 2016 at 17:18, L. David Baron  wrote:

> So opposing it takes both a good bit of energy and a potentially a
> good bit of political capital (in that it might reduce the
> seriousness with which people take future objections that we make).
> Do you think it's actually worth getting involved here?  If so,
> would you be willing to help write the objection?
>

Can we make suggestions about how to improve the charter rather than just
oppose it? I don't necessarily agree with the technical approach the group
is currently taking, but I do agree that the Web of Things could be a
valuable area for standardisation, as a layer of abstraction above various
incompatible IoT protocols which makes "things" linkable, discoverable and
interoperable via URLs.

Perhaps the effort should be more focused on use cases and real world
implementations before, as Marcos says, going off into the RDF weeds.

Ben 
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Re: Proposed W3C Charter: Web of Things Interest Group

[L. David Baron]

On Monday 2016-06-20 01:38 -0700, mar...@marcosc.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 7:06:39 PM UTC+10, David Baron wrote:
> 
> > Please reply to this thread if you think there's something we should
> > say as part of this charter review, or if you think we should
> > support or oppose it.
> 
> It seems to go off into the RDF/XML weeds and tries to mask itself as 
> something different to IoT (whatever that is). I think we should oppose it as 
> it seems that whatever the result is, will not be Web friendly (in the sense 
> that it won't work with web browsers, JS APIs, etc.).

So opposing it takes both a good bit of energy and a potentially a
good bit of political capital (in that it might reduce the
seriousness with which people take future objections that we make).
Do you think it's actually worth getting involved here?  If so,
would you be willing to help write the objection?

-David

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Proposed W3C Charter: Web of Things Interest Group

[L. David Baron]

The W3C is proposing a revised charter for:

  Web of Things Interest Group
  https://w3c.github.io/wot/charters/wot-ig-2016.html
  https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-new-work/2016Jun/0008.html

Mozilla has the opportunity to send comments or objections through
Friday, July 15.

Please reply to this thread if you think there's something we should
say as part of this charter review, or if you think we should
support or oppose it.

-David

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Proposed W3C Charter: Web of Things Interest Group

[L. David Baron]

The W3C is proposing a revised charter for:

  Web of Things Interest Group
  http://www.w3.org/2014/09/wot-ig-charter.html
  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-new-work/2014Nov/.html

Mozilla has the opportunity to send comments or objections through
next Monday, December 15.

Please reply to this thread if you think there's something we should
say as part of this charter review, or whether you think we should
explicitly abstain.

-David

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