Re: Intent to remove client.mk

[Gregory Szorc]

On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 4:16 PM, Gregory Szorc  wrote:

> client.mk has existed since 1998 (https://hg.mozilla.org/
> experimental/mozilla-central-cvs/rev/0a5e1fa423bd). Before `mach`,
> client.mk was the recommended way to build Firefox and perform other
> build tasks. client.mk has rarely changed in recent years because the
> build system maintainers have been working around it and because not much
> has changed around how the very early parts of "invoke the build system"
> work.
>
> The build system maintainers are making a significant push towards
> supporting building Firefox without GNU make in this and future quarters.
>
> Since client.mk is a make file and we want to not require make to build
> Firefox, client.mk is incompatible with our vision for the future of the
> Firefox build system. Furthermore, client.mk represents an ancient piece
> of build system infrastructure and its convoluted content creates
> consternation and inhibits forward progress. For these reasons, I'm
> announcing the intent to remove client.mk.
>
> If you have tools, infrastructure, workflows, etc that use client.mk - or
> any direct use of `make` for that matter - please transition them to `mach`
> commands and/or check with a build peer regarding your use case. You can
> file bugs regarding client.mk dependencies against bug 1412398.
>
> Thank you for your understanding.
>

Heads up: the patches to ween off client.mk have started landing. As I'm
touching the code, it is obvious how brittle things are and that there is a
web of under-documented dependencies everywhere I look.

If you see the build system behaving in strange ways - e.g. running
configure twice, complaining about clobbers when it shouldn't, running
moz.build sandbox evaluation when it shouldn't, etc, please don't hesitate
to make noise in #build or file a bug blocking 1412398. Even if we break a
workflow you relied on and there isn't a good equivalent, we'd like to
know. Disrupting people unnecessarily is definitely not a goal of this
refactor.
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Re: Intent to remove client.mk

[Nicholas Nethercote]

This is excellent news.

Relatedly, I want to particularly say that I think moz.build files are
great. The syntax and semantics are very clear. They're easy to modify.
They handle both simple cases and complex cases well. They pretty much
never get in the way, which is exactly what a developer wants from a build
system. The contrast with Makefiles is... significant.

Nick

On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 10:16 AM, Gregory Szorc  wrote:

> client.mk has existed since 1998 (https://hg.mozilla.org/
> experimental/mozilla-central-cvs/rev/0a5e1fa423bd). Before `mach`,
> client.mk was the recommended way to build Firefox and perform other
> build tasks. client.mk has rarely changed in recent years because the
> build system maintainers have been working around it and because not much
> has changed around how the very early parts of "invoke the build system"
> work.
>
> The build system maintainers are making a significant push towards
> supporting building Firefox without GNU make in this and future quarters.
>
> Since client.mk is a make file and we want to not require make to build
> Firefox, client.mk is incompatible with our vision for the future of the
> Firefox build system. Furthermore, client.mk represents an ancient piece
> of build system infrastructure and its convoluted content creates
> consternation and inhibits forward progress. For these reasons, I'm
> announcing the intent to remove client.mk.
>
> If you have tools, infrastructure, workflows, etc that use client.mk - or
> any direct use of `make` for that matter - please transition them to `mach`
> commands and/or check with a build peer regarding your use case. You can
> file bugs regarding client.mk dependencies against bug 1412398.
>
> Thank you for your understanding.
>
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Re: Intent to remove client.mk

[Kris Maglione]

On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 04:16:01PM -0700, Gregory Szorc wrote:

client.mk has existed since 1998 (
https://hg.mozilla.org/experimental/mozilla-central-cvs/rev/0a5e1fa423bd).
Before `mach`, client.mk was the recommended way to build Firefox and
perform other build tasks. client.mk has rarely changed in recent years
because the build system maintainers have been working around it and
because not much has changed around how the very early parts of "invoke the
build system" work.

The build system maintainers are making a significant push towards
supporting building Firefox without GNU make in this and future quarters.


I think I speak for all of us when I say: \o/
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