Re: W3C Proposed Recommendations: Performance Timeline, User Timing, JSON-LD
On 11/27/13 2:03 PM, L. David Baron wrote: I can't figure out what, if anything, this discussion implies about the ballot on the Proposed Recommendations. I'm not sure. Basically, I think we're in a sucky situation here: 1) These are specs that we'll need to implement. 2) We were not involved in their drafting or implementation so far (not least because they were rushed through and we just don't have the bandwidth to deal with all the little bits of that WG as far as I can tell). 3) We can't just vote no on the PR based on that. Our best bet is presumably to hope that the basic concepts are sound and that once we start implementing we can get the inevitable spec bogosities fixed via errata. And for the future, again, to make it someone's job to follow what's going on in this WG. :( At this point I'm inclined not to respond to the vote. That seems pretty reasonable, yeah... -Boris ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: W3C Proposed Recommendations: Performance Timeline, User Timing, JSON-LD
I can't figure out what, if anything, this discussion implies about the ballot on the Proposed Recommendations. At this point I'm inclined not to respond to the vote. -David -- 𝄞 L. David Baron http://dbaron.org/ 𝄂 𝄢 Mozilla https://www.mozilla.org/ 𝄂 Before I built a wall I'd ask to know What I was walling in or walling out, And to whom I was like to give offense. - Robert Frost, Mending Wall (1914) signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: W3C Proposed Recommendations: Performance Timeline, User Timing, JSON-LD
On 11/27/13 11:51 AM, Rob Campbell wrote: IMO, this is implementation detail for describing the data structures used by a timeline “entry” There are specs that expose these entries too, so this is not implementation detail but something we'll need to end up implementing when Facebook and company start using it for telemetry. -Boris ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: W3C Proposed Recommendations: Performance Timeline, User Timing, JSON-LD
I'll take a closer look at it. Will be interesting to see how this fits in with what we're planning, but so far, we didn't plan on taking it into account. - Original Message - From: "Rob Campbell" To: "Till Schneidereit" Cc: "Boris Zbarsky" , "Axel Kratel" , dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 8:51:32 AM Subject: Re: W3C Proposed Recommendations: Performance Timeline, User Timing, JSON-LD I’ve been aware of these proposals. Honestly, there’s not a lot of meat in the performance timeline proposal and one of the editors doesn’t appear to be actively involved anymore. IMO, this is implementation detail for describing the data structures used by a timeline “entry”. I’m not sure how important a cross platform specification is, but would entertain the idea if there were good uses for it. ~ rob On Nov 26, 2013, at 05:56 , Till Schneidereit wrote: > I don't know how well (or if at all) the current push for performance > devtools is coordinated with these proposals, but it would certainly be > worth looking into that. > > CCing Axel Kratel. > > > On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 12:31 AM, Boris Zbarsky wrote: > >> On 11/25/13 7:07 PM, L. David Baron wrote: >> >>> http://www.w3.org/TR/performance-timeline/ >>> Performance Timeline >>> >>> http://www.w3.org/TR/user-timing/ >>> User Timing >>> >> >> Have we had anyone at all review these specs? My past experience with >> that working group and set of editors doesn't make me sanguine about them >> producing specs that can actually be implemented without >> reverse-engineering IE or Chrome >> >> If we _haven't_ had someone look at these before, we should do that now. >> And we probably need someone whose job description includes >> sanity-checking the stuff this working group produces. >> >> -Boris >> ___ >> dev-platform mailing list >> dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org >> https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform >> > ___ > dev-platform mailing list > dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: W3C Proposed Recommendations: Performance Timeline, User Timing, JSON-LD
I’ve been aware of these proposals. Honestly, there’s not a lot of meat in the performance timeline proposal and one of the editors doesn’t appear to be actively involved anymore. IMO, this is implementation detail for describing the data structures used by a timeline “entry”. I’m not sure how important a cross platform specification is, but would entertain the idea if there were good uses for it. ~ rob On Nov 26, 2013, at 05:56 , Till Schneidereit wrote: > I don't know how well (or if at all) the current push for performance > devtools is coordinated with these proposals, but it would certainly be > worth looking into that. > > CCing Axel Kratel. > > > On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 12:31 AM, Boris Zbarsky wrote: > >> On 11/25/13 7:07 PM, L. David Baron wrote: >> >>> http://www.w3.org/TR/performance-timeline/ >>> Performance Timeline >>> >>> http://www.w3.org/TR/user-timing/ >>> User Timing >>> >> >> Have we had anyone at all review these specs? My past experience with >> that working group and set of editors doesn't make me sanguine about them >> producing specs that can actually be implemented without >> reverse-engineering IE or Chrome >> >> If we _haven't_ had someone look at these before, we should do that now. >> And we probably need someone whose job description includes >> sanity-checking the stuff this working group produces. >> >> -Boris >> ___ >> dev-platform mailing list >> dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org >> https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform >> > ___ > dev-platform mailing list > dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: W3C Proposed Recommendations: Performance Timeline, User Timing, JSON-LD
I don't know how well (or if at all) the current push for performance devtools is coordinated with these proposals, but it would certainly be worth looking into that. CCing Axel Kratel. On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 12:31 AM, Boris Zbarsky wrote: > On 11/25/13 7:07 PM, L. David Baron wrote: > >>http://www.w3.org/TR/performance-timeline/ >>Performance Timeline >> >>http://www.w3.org/TR/user-timing/ >>User Timing >> > > Have we had anyone at all review these specs? My past experience with > that working group and set of editors doesn't make me sanguine about them > producing specs that can actually be implemented without > reverse-engineering IE or Chrome > > If we _haven't_ had someone look at these before, we should do that now. > And we probably need someone whose job description includes > sanity-checking the stuff this working group produces. > > -Boris > ___ > dev-platform mailing list > dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform > ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
Re: W3C Proposed Recommendations: Performance Timeline, User Timing, JSON-LD
On 11/25/13 7:07 PM, L. David Baron wrote: http://www.w3.org/TR/performance-timeline/ Performance Timeline http://www.w3.org/TR/user-timing/ User Timing Have we had anyone at all review these specs? My past experience with that working group and set of editors doesn't make me sanguine about them producing specs that can actually be implemented without reverse-engineering IE or Chrome If we _haven't_ had someone look at these before, we should do that now. And we probably need someone whose job description includes sanity-checking the stuff this working group produces. -Boris ___ dev-platform mailing list dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform
