Re: The package 'gentoo' seems unmaintained for months
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 6:32 AM, Robin 'cheese' Lee chees...@hotmail.com wrote: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/gentoo If the owner takes no count of this package, I would like to co-maintain it. My FAS account is 'cheeselee'. Thank you! You added yourself already to the package. You could send a mail to gentoo-ow...@fedoraproject.org asking him to approve you. -- LG Thomas Dubium sapientiae initium -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: playing flash regression in f13-beta
On 24/04/10 11:13, Luming Yu wrote: Hi there, I came across a really weird problem with flash player on playing these video on http://video.nationalgeographic.com/video/index.html For those featured videos like Bacteria-size Babies Among Ocean's Smallest Life: Linux (f12) i686 + flash-plugin-10.0.45.2-release.i386 : works just fine. Linux (f13-beta) i686 + flash-plugin-10.0.45.2-release.i386: hang If by hang you mean it just keeps loading. Got that. F13.i686 kernel-PAE flash-plugin-10.0.45.2-release.i386 firefox-3.6.3-4.fc13.i686 xulrunner-1.9.2.3-1.fc13.i686 -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded, Fedora 64 32 bit -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Postgresql namespace
On Fri, 2010-04-23 at 14:47 -0400, Jean-Francois Saucier wrote: If I check in the Ubuntu Lucid repository, orafce is packaged as postgresql-8.3-orafce, same for Debian. It is probably because they ship different PostgreSQL versions in each distro. Fedora does not have this yet (FWIW, I'm working on this in my repository: http://yum.pgrpms.org and as of PostgreSQL 9.0, it will be supported for Fedora/CentOS). I did not use the Debian way, so we won't need postgresql-9.0-orafce thing (I hope). -- Devrim GÜNDÜZ PostgreSQL Danışmanı/Consultant, Red Hat Certified Engineer PostgreSQL RPM Repository: http://yum.pgrpms.org Community: devrim~PostgreSQL.org, devrim.gunduz~linux.org.tr http://www.gunduz.org Twitter: http://twitter.com/devrimgunduz -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Postgresql namespace
On 04/26/2010 12:19 PM, Devrim GÜNDÜZ wrote: On Fri, 2010-04-23 at 14:47 -0400, Jean-Francois Saucier wrote: If I check in the Ubuntu Lucid repository, orafce is packaged as postgresql-8.3-orafce, same for Debian. It is probably because they ship different PostgreSQL versions in each distro. Fedora does not have this yet (FWIW, I'm working on this in my repository: http://yum.pgrpms.org and as of PostgreSQL 9.0, it will be supported for Fedora/CentOS). Any reason not to have it in the Fedora repo instead of your own? Rahul -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: playing flash regression in f13-beta
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Jeff Spaleta jspal...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Luming Yu luming...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm,... tried ff 3.6.4, not working... Just fyi, the flash video in question works fine for me in a fully updated 64bit F13 beta using the 64bit flash using the tarball from the adobe website libflashplayer-10.0.45.2.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz any instructions on how to do that? Looks like it's not as simple as just copying it to /usr/lib64/flash-plugin... I don't have a 32bit system handy to test your specific scenario sorry. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: playing flash regression in f13-beta
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote: On 24/04/10 11:13, Luming Yu wrote: Hi there, I came across a really weird problem with flash player on playing these video on http://video.nationalgeographic.com/video/index.html For those featured videos like Bacteria-size Babies Among Ocean's Smallest Life: Linux (f12) i686 + flash-plugin-10.0.45.2-release.i386 : works just fine. Linux (f13-beta) i686 + flash-plugin-10.0.45.2-release.i386: hang If by hang you mean it just keeps loading. It looks like keeps loading, since no new picutre is displayed except the first one indicating it's receving data forever.. Got that. F13.i686 kernel-PAE 2.6.33.2-57.fc13.i686.PAE flash-plugin-10.0.45.2-release.i386 firefox-3.6.3-4.fc13.i686 xulrunner-1.9.2.3-1.fc13.i686 -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: The package 'gentoo' seems unmaintained for months
On 04/26/2010 02:07 PM, Thomas Janssen wrote: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 6:32 AM, Robin 'cheese' Lee chees...@hotmail.com wrote: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/gentoo If the owner takes no count of this package, I would like to co-maintain it. My FAS account is 'cheeselee'. Thank you! You added yourself already to the package. You could send a mail to gentoo-ow...@fedoraproject.org asking him to approve you. Never get a reply from Matthias, no matter through https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/gentoo , https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=561303 , matth...@rpmforge.net or gentoo-ow...@fedoraproject.org . -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Thunderbird bz 579023 still not fixed even though there is an upstream fix available
On Sun, 2010-04-25 at 12:45 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 13:37:11 -0400, Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote: On Sun, 2010-04-25 at 10:08 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: I don't see how using Mozilla trademarks provides significant benefit to Fedora. It seems to mostly benefit Mozilla. I don't see why we should be breaking our rules to help them. I think you are grossly misjudging the relative visibility and importance of the Firefox and Fedora brands... nobody knows what Fedora is, while most computer users will have at least heard about Firefox. Yeah, but most computer users isn't relevant. The question is about what is relevant to Fedora users. Changing the name of Firefox will have little affect on them since it is installed as the default web browser. Being able to fix bugs in a timely manner on the other hand, is going to have a significant affect on them. Not a nice idea, but, at least as a temporary workaround, could Fedora ship both a Firefox and an Iceweasel; Firefox complying with the trademark rules, and Iceweasel working as users would want it. Could the Fedora shipped Firefox even have a home page that says Have you tried Iceweasel ...? And bugs reported against Firefox could be closed with Fixed in Iceweasel. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: The package 'gentoo' seems unmaintained for months
Am Montag, den 26.04.2010, 16:04 +0800 schrieb Robin 'cheese' Lee: Never get a reply from Matthias, no matter through https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/gentoo , https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=561303 , matth...@rpmforge.net or gentoo-ow...@fedoraproject.org . I see you already started the non-responsive maintainer process in the bug report but it requires more than just a few comments in bugzilla, especially if they are just A new comment. If Matthias is unresponsive, please write a mail with a meaningful subject to devel list and to him directly. Regards, Christoph -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Thunderbird bz 579023 still not fixed even though there is an upstream fix available
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Quentin Armitage quen...@armitage.org.uk wrote: On Sun, 2010-04-25 at 12:45 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 13:37:11 -0400, Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com wrote: On Sun, 2010-04-25 at 10:08 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: I don't see how using Mozilla trademarks provides significant benefit to Fedora. It seems to mostly benefit Mozilla. I don't see why we should be breaking our rules to help them. I think you are grossly misjudging the relative visibility and importance of the Firefox and Fedora brands... nobody knows what Fedora is, while most computer users will have at least heard about Firefox. Yeah, but most computer users isn't relevant. The question is about what is relevant to Fedora users. Changing the name of Firefox will have little affect on them since it is installed as the default web browser. Being able to fix bugs in a timely manner on the other hand, is going to have a significant affect on them. Not a nice idea, but, at least as a temporary workaround, could Fedora ship both a Firefox and an Iceweasel; Firefox complying with the trademark rules, and Iceweasel working as users would want it. Could the Fedora shipped Firefox even have a home page that says Have you tried Iceweasel ...? And bugs reported against Firefox could be closed with Fixed in Iceweasel. That is nonsense ... it just creates confusion and maintenance overhead. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Thunderbird bz 579023 still not fixed even though there is an upstream fix available
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 1:56 AM, Mail Lists li...@sapience.com wrote: On 04/25/2010 07:17 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: The upstream version has that bug too, they just don't care about it enough to release a fixed version in a timely manner. OH - FYI, I am running upstream and I don't have that problem ... can disconnect the network all i want .. no crash. The fedora build works fine for me too. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: playing flash regression in f13-beta
On 26/04/10 09:01, Luming Yu wrote: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Frank Murphyfrankl...@gmail.com wrote: On 24/04/10 11:13, Luming Yu wrote: Hi there, I came across a really weird problem with flash player on playing these video on http://video.nationalgeographic.com/video/index.html For those featured videos like Bacteria-size Babies Among Ocean's Smallest Life: Linux (f12) i686 + flash-plugin-10.0.45.2-release.i386 : works just fine. Linux (f13-beta) i686 + flash-plugin-10.0.45.2-release.i386: hang If by hang you mean it just keeps loading. It looks like keeps loading, since no new picutre is displayed except the first one indicating it's receving data forever.. I have them playing in Chromium. F13. Once I disabled adblock-plus. Now working in friefox. F13 -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded, Fedora 64 32 bit -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: The package 'gentoo' seems unmaintained for months
On 04/26/2010 04:12 PM, Christoph Wickert wrote: Am Montag, den 26.04.2010, 16:04 +0800 schrieb Robin 'cheese' Lee: Never get a reply from Matthias, no matter through https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/gentoo , https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=561303 , matth...@rpmforge.net or gentoo-ow...@fedoraproject.org . I see you already started the non-responsive maintainer process in the bug report but it requires more than just a few comments in bugzilla, especially if they are just A new comment. If Matthias is unresponsive, please write a mail with a meaningful subject to devel list and to him directly. Regards, Christoph Okay. Thanks for your instruction. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Please move your ABRT bugs upstream
On Sunday 25 April 2010 10:33:13 Kevin Kofler wrote:
Christoph Wickert wrote:
I'm upstreaming reports from 'lazy idiots' too and some of them get
fixed. In fact the percentage of the ones that get fixed is not
different from the 'active' reporters cause usually the backtrace
contains all necessary data for the developer to fix the problem.
ABRT should file the bugs upstream in the first place, an automated tool
should do the right thing in the first place. Of course that means having
to deal with several different bug trackers, not just Bugzilla. But it's
part of doing it right.
This is not a (big) problem in ABRT - it's modular system. And I think best is
to fill it to both - upstream and downstream bug (crash) tracker. Why? It's
good to know that something is crashing for users. In times of Dr. Konqui we
haven't had any idea how stable KDE is. Now we can see that we have lot of
problems with some crashes - like KPixmap one - we can force upstream to fix it
as it's really serious problem etc... So please - no to upstream - or we
should join upstream here - and we should be CC'ed to Dr. Konqui's crashes.
Another problem is - upstream has the same problem as we have - Dr. Konqui
significantly lowered the barrier to report bugs = more bugs reported with
lower quality. Dr. Konqui forces reporter to submit better reports but it's
not easy again to balance it - not to build another artificial barrier.
Jaroslav
If you really miss certain information ('Can you reproduce this crash?
What did you do when foo crashed?' and that kind of stuff), you can use
bugzilla's mass change feature that you are now using to close all the
bugs.
No.
1. I need to identify the bugs which are missing information in the first
place, which is more than just everything in the list produced by my saved
search since the last mass needinfo (which is what I'm using now).
2. I need to actually file the bug upstream, which is a manual process for
every single bug. We have no tools to automate that (and Bugzilla-only
tools aren't going to help because Gnash uses Savannah's bug tracker).
Kevin Kofler
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Re: Thunderbird bz 579023 still not fixed even though there is an upstream fix available
On 04/25/2010 07:37 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: On Sun, 2010-04-25 at 10:08 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: I don't see how using Mozilla trademarks provides significant benefit to Fedora. It seems to mostly benefit Mozilla. I don't see why we should be breaking our rules to help them. I think you are grossly misjudging the relative visibility and importance of the Firefox and Fedora brands... nobody knows what Fedora is, while most computer users will have at least heard about Firefox. Does this justify Fedora throwing the principles of Free SW over board? IMO, *no* - it's time to spread the world about Mozilla's trademark policy violating the prinicples of Free SW and Fedora's Mozilla being hostage of it. In other words, if Fedora hasn't already entirely abandoned the original motivations and foundations it once was based on, it's time for Fedora to very serously reconsider their attitude on Mozilla packages. Ralf -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Thunderbird bz 579023 still not fixed even though there is an upstream fix available
On 04/25/2010 11:48 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Bruno Wolff III wrote: Isn't this a FESCO issue? Maybe it is time to reopen this issue? Knowing my fellow FESCo members, I don't think I'll get a majority to agree with me. :-( Well, may-be FESCO should decide upon on whether the FSF's freedom 3 [1] is a inclusion/exclusion criterion for packages in Fedora. Ralf [1] http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Thunderbird bz 579023 still not fixed even though there is an upstream fix available
On 04/26/2010 02:11 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: Well, may-be FESCO should decide upon on whether the FSF's freedom 3 [1] is a inclusion/exclusion criterion for packages in Fedora. Ralf [1] http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html It is (except for firmware) but before you wave it around, you will do well to ask FSF whether the Mozilla trademark guidelines violate it. My understanding is that, they don't consider it a violation and yes, I have actually asked them. Rahul -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: playing flash regression in f13-beta
On Mon, 2010-04-26 at 15:50 +0800, Luming Yu wrote: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Jeff Spaleta jspal...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Luming Yu luming...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm,... tried ff 3.6.4, not working... Just fyi, the flash video in question works fine for me in a fully updated 64bit F13 beta using the 64bit flash using the tarball from the adobe website libflashplayer-10.0.45.2.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz any instructions on how to do that? Looks like it's not as simple as just copying it to /usr/lib64/flash-plugin... 1 - Your copying the .so file to the wrong location. Just copy it to /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugin/ dir and it works just fine, including firefox. 2 - There are repos out there that will package the plugin for you and have a repo setup to download it via yum and you don't have to do a thing. Just search for it. -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY Best lil town on Earth! -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: playing flash regression in f13-beta
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote: On 26/04/10 09:01, Luming Yu wrote: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Frank Murphyfrankl...@gmail.com wrote: On 24/04/10 11:13, Luming Yu wrote: Hi there, I came across a really weird problem with flash player on playing these video on http://video.nationalgeographic.com/video/index.html For those featured videos like Bacteria-size Babies Among Ocean's Smallest Life: Linux (f12) i686 + flash-plugin-10.0.45.2-release.i386 : works just fine. Linux (f13-beta) i686 + flash-plugin-10.0.45.2-release.i386: hang If by hang you mean it just keeps loading. It looks like keeps loading, since no new picutre is displayed except the first one indicating it's receving data forever.. I have them playing in Chromium. F13. Once I disabled adblock-plus. I have never installed the plug-in [r...@4core-i386 ~]# yum search adblock mozilla-adblockplus.noarch : Adblocking extension for Mozilla Firefox konq-plugins.i686 : Additional plugins that interact with konqueror [r...@4core-i386 ~]# rpm -qa | grep adblockplus (nothing returned) And I notcied I can play flash (Bacteria-size Babies Among Ocean's ) too after succesfuuly played some playable video like (tiger...) Really weird Now working in friefox. F13 -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded, Fedora 64 32 bit -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
preupgrade 1.1.5 released
Preupgrade prepares a Fedora system for an upgrade. Version 1.1.5 ~~ Released: 2010-04-26 * Translations - Add initial il8n support for preupgrade (Igor Pires Soares) - Add il8n support for preupgrade-cli. Fixes rh#562036 (Igor Pires Soares) * Bugfix: - Add 'clearpart --none' to the kickstart, as anaconda no longer defaults to this. Fixes rh#575400 (Richard Hughes) - For some reason name is null when getting the callback from yum. Detect this and prevent a crash. Fixes rh#572148 (Richard Hughes) - Fix up the makefiles so 'make dist' does the right thing (Seth Vidal) I'm building rpm's and an update for F12 now. Richard. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Postgresql namespace
On Mon, 2010-04-26 at 12:22 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Any reason not to have it in the Fedora repo instead of your own? I'm not the maintainer of PostgreSQL package in Fedora/RHEL. Tom (Lane) has been already maintaining it and doing very good job over there at Red Hat. He will *probably* do the same for Fedora when 9.0 goes beta or so. I am the upstream packager only. FWIW, since Fedora/RHEL (up to 5.5) does support only 1 PostgreSQL version w/ RPMs, this 3rd party repository helps people to use recent PG versions with their distros. (Majority of our users are RHEL 5 users, who use PostgreSQL 8.3 and 8.4 on RHEL 5). I'm sure that's one of the reasons that RHEL 5.5 shipped PostgreSQL 8.4 along with 8.1. Regards, -- Devrim GÜNDÜZ PostgreSQL Danışmanı/Consultant, Red Hat Certified Engineer PostgreSQL RPM Repository: http://yum.pgrpms.org Community: devrim~PostgreSQL.org, devrim.gunduz~linux.org.tr http://www.gunduz.org Twitter: http://twitter.com/devrimgunduz -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Postgresql namespace
On 04/26/2010 04:47 PM, Devrim GÜNDÜZ wrote FWIW, since Fedora/RHEL (up to 5.5) does support only 1 PostgreSQL version w/ RPMs, this 3rd party repository helps people to use recent PG versions with their distros. (Majority of our users are RHEL 5 users, who use PostgreSQL 8.3 and 8.4 on RHEL 5). I'm sure that's one of the reasons that RHEL 5.5 shipped PostgreSQL 8.4 along with 8.1. Perhaps I was not clear but my question was if multiple of Postgres is a useful to thing to have, why don't we do it in the Fedora repo instead of having users seek out and use a third party repo? Rahul -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Postgresql namespace
On Mon, 2010-04-26 at 16:58 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Perhaps I was not clear but my question was if multiple of Postgres is a useful to thing to have, why don't we do it in the Fedora repo instead of having users seek out and use a third party repo? As I wrote: I'm *not* maintaining PostgreSQL RPMs for Fedora. What I'm maintaining is PostgreSQL modules. It is up to Tom to use that feature in Fedora RPMs. Regards, -- Devrim GÜNDÜZ PostgreSQL Danışmanı/Consultant, Red Hat Certified Engineer PostgreSQL RPM Repository: http://yum.pgrpms.org Community: devrim~PostgreSQL.org, devrim.gunduz~linux.org.tr http://www.gunduz.org Twitter: http://twitter.com/devrimgunduz -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: ABRT duplicate detection
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 09:33:40PM +0200, Radek Vokal wrote: You might all know the MS search for a solution to this problem window popping up after an application crashes. I've never seen it doing something usefull, though. But if ABRT could detect duplicate crashes one could use this to display a workaround or even propose an update via I've cced the crash-catcher mailing list. Probably the developers can comment more about this idea, but in general I really - especially the part -known bug known workaround, which might be linked to a wiki-like database of user problems and solutions. Also pretty relevant (and implemented by MS Apple) is whether the crash has potential security implications. Doing it well is somewhat involved, but a rough estimate shouldn't be that difficult, look at the backtrace and do a little-lots of heuristics. http://msecdbg.codeplex.com/ http://seclists.org/dailydave/2009/q3/11 We may be doing some work in this area soon btw. :) -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
How to contact Matthias Saou?
According to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Policy_for_nonresponsive_package_maintainers , I now ask if anyone knows how to contact Matthias Saou. I would like to co-maintain the package 'gentoo'. I have provided enough information to update this package. Refer to: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=561303 Cheers -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: How to contact Matthias Saou?
Robin Lee You can go to IRC channel #fedora-admin, and say that the packager of gentoo disappears. You can not contract with him. Then admin follows your case. Liang Suilong On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Robin 'cheese' Lee chees...@hotmail.comwrote: According to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Policy_for_nonresponsive_package_maintainers , I now ask if anyone knows how to contact Matthias Saou. I would like to co-maintain the package 'gentoo'. I have provided enough information to update this package. Refer to: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=561303 Cheers -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel -- Fedora Debian User, former Ubuntu User My Page: http://www.liangsuilong.info Fedora Project Contributor -- Packager Ambassador https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Liangsuilong -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Thunderbird bz 579023 still not fixed even though there is an upstream fix available
On 04/26/2010 10:52 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 04/26/2010 02:11 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: Well, may-be FESCO should decide upon on whether the FSF's freedom 3 [1] is a inclusion/exclusion criterion for packages in Fedora. Ralf [1] http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html It is (except for firmware) ... and on Fedora's own trademark encumbered packages. but before you wave it around, you will do well to ask FSF whether the Mozilla trademark guidelines violate it. I know - I had a discussion with a FSF-representative on this. But ... many people disagree with this. As well as the facts speak for themselves: * The Fedora Mozilla packages can't be bug-fixed/patched. Cause: The package is non-free. * The Fedora Mozilla package can't be made compliant to the FPG. Cause the packages are non-free. Openly speaking, I feel RH is not interested addressing this issues, likely for political reasons or for marketing reason - A too high price to pay, if you ask me. My understanding is that, they don't consider it a violation and yes, I have actually asked them. Well, Mozilla license definitely is an open-source license. It's just that the Mozilla packages in Fedora are non-free. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: How to contact Matthias Saou?
Robin 'cheese' Lee wrote: According to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Policy_for_nonresponsive_package_maintainers , I now ask if anyone knows how to contact Matthias Saou. I had started[1] this process weeks ago. He rebuilt easytag a few days after my initial e-mail but for an unrelated bug report. He has not responded to my direct e-mails or bug reports or shown any other activity since. [1] http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2010-April/134383.html -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: How to contact Matthias Saou?
On 2010-04-26 21:35:53，Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote： I had started[1] this process weeks ago. He rebuilt easytag a few days after my initial e-mail but for an unrelated bug report. He has not responded to my direct e-mails or bug reports or shown any other activity since. [1] http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2010-April/134383.html -- I would like to see let all packagers edit this package feature in pkgdb ASAP. Thus, we can make many trival packages to be editable for all packagers after defining a scope for trival package. e.g. Trival packages which don't have a co-maintainer should be editable for other packagers. Regard. Chen Lei -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Thunderbird bz 579023 still not fixed even though there is an upstream fix available
On 04/26/2010 07:05 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 04/26/2010 10:52 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 04/26/2010 02:11 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: Well, may-be FESCO should decide upon on whether the FSF's freedom 3 [1] is a inclusion/exclusion criterion for packages in Fedora. Ralf [1] http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html It is (except for firmware) ... and on Fedora's own trademark encumbered packages. No. Only firmware. Fedora's trademarks are not a problem at all. http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/common-distros.html. Well, Mozilla license definitely is an open-source license. It's just that the Mozilla packages in Fedora are non-free. How? Your claim here is certainly not supported by the FSF. although they have some issues with the recommendation of non-free plugins and if you consider it a legal question, it is outside the scope of FESCo. FESCo can still discuss it from a policy perspective but then pointing to FSF guidelines confuses a policy discussion with a legal one. Rahul -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: How to contact Matthias Saou?
2010/4/26 Chen Lei supercy...@163.com: On 2010-04-26 21:35:53，Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote： I had started[1] this process weeks ago. He rebuilt easytag a few days after my initial e-mail but for an unrelated bug report. He has not responded to my direct e-mails or bug reports or shown any other activity since. [1] http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2010-April/134383.html -- I would like to see let all packagers edit this package feature in pkgdb ASAP. Thus, we can make many trival packages to be editable for all packagers after defining a scope for trival package. e.g. Trival packages which don't have a co-maintainer should be editable for other packagers. Ah, no thanks. I have packages without a co-maintainer and i don't want anyone be able to fiddle with it. May the package or fix be trivial or not. I prefer to have a provenpackager for that. -- LG Thomas Dubium sapientiae initium -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Thunderbird bz 579023 still not fixed even though there is an upstream fix available
On 04/26/2010 09:35 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: * The Fedora Mozilla packages can't be bug-fixed/patched. Cause: The package is non-free. * The Fedora Mozilla package can't be made compliant to the FPG. Cause the packages are non-free. Neither of these are true. The Fedora Mozilla packages can be bug-fixed/patched. If Mozilla doesn't accept the patches upstream first, we would no longer have permission to use their trademarks, and would need to remove them when we did so. As to why we have not simply patched at will, and discarded the trademarks, well, I think that is ultimately up to FESCo and the Maintainer(s) to decide how we wish to operate in that manner. Personally, I feel that there is name-recognition value in the Mozilla trademarks, and we should make every effort to try to discuss a compromise with them to allow us a bit more flexibility while retaining the trademark use. Perhaps this is a discussion that could be opened with Luis Villa? ~spot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Thunderbird bz 579023 still not fixed even though there is an upstream fix available
2010/4/26 Tom spot Callaway tcall...@redhat.com: The Fedora Mozilla packages can be bug-fixed/patched. If Mozilla doesn't accept the patches upstream first, we would no longer have permission to use their trademarks, and would need to remove them when we did so. You just said something like yes we can, but Mozilla will deny - this is exactly what Ralf told us earlier. As to why we have not simply patched at will, and discarded the trademarks, well, I think that is ultimately up to FESCo and the Maintainer(s) to decide how we wish to operate in that manner. It's not up to maintainer to decide whether to provide non-free package in Fedora. And I don't see why we need to ask FESCo for resolution of this (clearly visible for almost everyone) violation of our guidelines. Personally, I feel that there is name-recognition value in the Mozilla trademarks, and we should make every effort to try to discuss a compromise with them to allow us a bit more flexibility while retaining the trademark use. Perhaps this is a discussion that could be opened with Luis Villa? Rebranding can be a difficult task, but this task also can be easily measured in man-hours, man-days or man-months, and this would be a ultimate solution, while chatting with lawers can consume much more time w/o success (nothing personal here). -- With best regards, Peter Lemenkov. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Thunderbird bz 579023 still not fixed even though there is an upstream fix available
On 04/26/2010 07:26 PM, Tom spot Callaway wrote: As to why we have not simply patched at will, and discarded the trademarks, well, I think that is ultimately up to FESCo and the Maintainer(s) to decide how we wish to operate in that manner. Alright. So I have filed this issue with FESCo since we are unlikely to find consensus on our own https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/369 Rahul -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: How to contact Matthias Saou?
On 2010-04-26 21:54:13，Thomas Janssen thom...@fedoraproject.org wrote： Ah, no thanks. I have packages without a co-maintainer and i don't want anyone be able to fiddle with it. May the package or fix be trivial or not. I prefer to have a provenpackager for that. This could be done with a QA page which compares upstream version and rawhide version. A trival package(like former fedora extras) without a co-maintainer which lags for more than 3 months should be editable for all others. We can also leave a choice like packager group members can commit like provenpackager group members can commit. This may benifit fedora a lot to be a bleed-edge OS. Regards,-- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: How to contact Matthias Saou?
Robin 'cheese' Lee wrote : According to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Policy_for_nonresponsive_package_maintainers , I now ask if anyone knows how to contact Matthias Saou. Pong! So, I guess I can answer me! :-) I would like to co-maintain the package 'gentoo'. I have provided enough information to update this package. Refer to: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=561303 Thanks for posting the link again. I'm indeed behind on bugzilla reports and even on a few personal emails, including yours. I'll take care of this as soon as possible, hopefully today. Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Fedora release 12 (Constantine) - Linux kernel 2.6.32.11-99.fc12.x86_64 Load : 0.22 0.29 0.18 -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Thunderbird bz 579023 still not fixed even though there is an upstream fix available
On 04/26/2010 07:44 PM, Peter Lemenkov wrote: It's not up to maintainer to decide whether to provide non-free package in Fedora. And I don't see why we need to ask FESCo for resolution of this (clearly visible for almost everyone) violation of our guidelines. Mozilla has some restrictive trademark guidelines but it nevertheless Free software w.rt to copyright licensing (triple licensing with GPL, LGPL and MPL) and is fully compliant with Fedora licensing guidelines. It does violate Fedora packaging guidelines but FESCo is authorized to give exceptions and decide on policy matters and I have filed it at https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/369 Rahul -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: How to contact Matthias Saou?
On 04/26/2010 10:19 PM, Matthias Saou wrote: Robin 'cheese' Lee wrote : According to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Policy_for_nonresponsive_package_maintainers , I now ask if anyone knows how to contact Matthias Saou. Pong! So, I guess I can answer me! :-) I would like to co-maintain the package 'gentoo'. I have provided enough information to update this package. Refer to: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=561303 Thanks for posting the link again. I'm indeed behind on bugzilla reports and even on a few personal emails, including yours. I'll take care of this as soon as possible, hopefully today. Matthias I'm feeling lucky! -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Postgresql namespace
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 02:17:57PM +0300, Devrim GÜNDÜZ wrote: FWIW, since Fedora/RHEL (up to 5.5) does support only 1 PostgreSQL version w/ RPMs, this 3rd party repository helps people to use recent PG versions with their distros. (Majority of our users are RHEL 5 users, who use PostgreSQL 8.3 and 8.4 on RHEL 5). I'm sure that's one of the reasons that RHEL 5.5 shipped PostgreSQL 8.4 along with 8.1. Can addons to postgres (and I realize we have many different types of addons... perhaps we need to know if there's a a majority of one or the other or an intuitive way to break the addons into categories) be used with both postgresql-8.1 and postgresql-8.4 from a single package or do they need multiple packages? Since we do have multiple versions of postgresql now (in RHEL5.5) it makes sense to me to keep the postgresql prefix to separate the two versions from each other. Having users search for orafce if it's targeting postgresql-8.1 and postgresql84-orafce if it's targeting postgresql-8.4 in bugzilla, yum install, etc, isn't a great experience. -Toshio pgpkwk9rrnYiT.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Thunderbird bz 579023 still not fixed even though there is an upstream fix available
On 04/26/2010 03:56 PM, Tom spot Callaway wrote: On 04/26/2010 09:35 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: * The Fedora Mozilla packages can't be bug-fixed/patched. Cause: The package is non-free. * The Fedora Mozilla package can't be made compliant to the FPG. Cause the packages are non-free. Neither of these are true. The Fedora Mozilla packages can be bug-fixed/patched. This was what Martin Stransky had claimed. A I understood his claim: He can't apply patches/bug fixes to Fedora's Thunderbird, because this would void Mozilla's trademark. IMO, the techical impacts of this are clearly visible in Fedora's packages, such as the clear FPG violations Kevin has elaborated. Personally, I feel that there is name-recognition value in the Mozilla trademarks, As I already said, I feel this what RH is interested in for political or marketing reasons. As a propopent of Free SW, my interest is to fight those who are applying trademarks to undermine the principles of free SW. Ralf -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
A question about locale files
Hello! I am now dealing with a package named 'gentoo'. It installs following locale files: /usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/gentoo.mo /usr/share/locale/es_MX/LC_MESSAGES/gentoo.mo /usr/share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/gentoo.mo /usr/share/locale/it/LC_MESSAGES/gentoo.mo /usr/share/locale/ja_JP.UTF-8/LC_MESSAGES/gentoo.mo /usr/share/locale/pl/LC_MESSAGES/gentoo.mo /usr/share/locale/ru_RU.CP1251/LC_MESSAGES/gentoo.mo /usr/share/locale/ru_RU.KOI8-R/LC_MESSAGES/gentoo.mo /usr/share/locale/ru_RU.UTF-8/LC_MESSAGES/gentoo.mo /usr/share/locale/ru_RU.cp1251/LC_MESSAGES/gentoo.mo /usr/share/locale/ru_RU.koi8r/LC_MESSAGES/gentoo.mo /usr/share/locale/ru_RU.utf8/LC_MESSAGES/gentoo.mo /usr/share/locale/sv/LC_MESSAGES/gentoo.mo There are some issues here: 1. Directories like /usr/share/locale/ru_RU.* are not provided by any package. This conflicts with guidelines. 2. /usr/share/locale/ru_RU.utf8 and /usr/share/locale/ru_RU.UTF-8/ are obvious duplicates. 3. /usr/share/locale/ru_RU.UTF-8/ should be identical with /usr/share/locale/ru/, /usr/share/locale/ja_JP.UTF-8/ should be identical with /usr/share/locale/ja/ . Which is the proper way to solve these issues? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: A question about locale files
Hi Robin, I'm sure a peek into http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Guidelines#Handling_Locale_Files will definitely help you. HTH, Felix Am 26.04.2010 17:46, schrieb Robin 'cheese' Lee: Hello! I am now dealing with a package named 'gentoo'. It installs following locale files: /usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/gentoo.mo /usr/share/locale/es_MX/LC_MESSAGES/gentoo.mo /usr/share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/gentoo.mo /usr/share/locale/it/LC_MESSAGES/gentoo.mo /usr/share/locale/ja_JP.UTF-8/LC_MESSAGES/gentoo.mo /usr/share/locale/pl/LC_MESSAGES/gentoo.mo /usr/share/locale/ru_RU.CP1251/LC_MESSAGES/gentoo.mo /usr/share/locale/ru_RU.KOI8-R/LC_MESSAGES/gentoo.mo /usr/share/locale/ru_RU.UTF-8/LC_MESSAGES/gentoo.mo /usr/share/locale/ru_RU.cp1251/LC_MESSAGES/gentoo.mo /usr/share/locale/ru_RU.koi8r/LC_MESSAGES/gentoo.mo /usr/share/locale/ru_RU.utf8/LC_MESSAGES/gentoo.mo /usr/share/locale/sv/LC_MESSAGES/gentoo.mo There are some issues here: 1. Directories like /usr/share/locale/ru_RU.* are not provided by any package. This conflicts with guidelines. 2. /usr/share/locale/ru_RU.utf8 and /usr/share/locale/ru_RU.UTF-8/ are obvious duplicates. 3. /usr/share/locale/ru_RU.UTF-8/ should be identical with /usr/share/locale/ru/, /usr/share/locale/ja_JP.UTF-8/ should be identical with /usr/share/locale/ja/ . Which is the proper way to solve these issues? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: A question about locale files
On 04/26/2010 11:48 PM, Felix Kaechele wrote: Hi Robin, I'm sure a peek into http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Guidelines#Handling_Locale_Files will definitely help you. HTH, Felix Am 26.04.2010 17:46, schrieb Robin 'cheese' Lee: Hello! I am now dealing with a package named 'gentoo'. It installs following locale files: /usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/gentoo.mo /usr/share/locale/es_MX/LC_MESSAGES/gentoo.mo /usr/share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/gentoo.mo /usr/share/locale/it/LC_MESSAGES/gentoo.mo /usr/share/locale/ja_JP.UTF-8/LC_MESSAGES/gentoo.mo /usr/share/locale/pl/LC_MESSAGES/gentoo.mo /usr/share/locale/ru_RU.CP1251/LC_MESSAGES/gentoo.mo /usr/share/locale/ru_RU.KOI8-R/LC_MESSAGES/gentoo.mo /usr/share/locale/ru_RU.UTF-8/LC_MESSAGES/gentoo.mo /usr/share/locale/ru_RU.cp1251/LC_MESSAGES/gentoo.mo /usr/share/locale/ru_RU.koi8r/LC_MESSAGES/gentoo.mo /usr/share/locale/ru_RU.utf8/LC_MESSAGES/gentoo.mo /usr/share/locale/sv/LC_MESSAGES/gentoo.mo There are some issues here: 1. Directories like /usr/share/locale/ru_RU.* are not provided by any package. This conflicts with guidelines. 2. /usr/share/locale/ru_RU.utf8 and /usr/share/locale/ru_RU.UTF-8/ are obvious duplicates. 3. /usr/share/locale/ru_RU.UTF-8/ should be identical with /usr/share/locale/ru/, /usr/share/locale/ja_JP.UTF-8/ should be identical with /usr/share/locale/ja/ . Which is the proper way to solve these issues? This guideline does not talk about the question I am asking. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
F-13 Branched report: 20100426 changes
Compose started at Mon Apr 26 09:15:03 UTC 2010
New package OpenLP
Open source Church presentation and lyrics projection application
New package asl
Macro Assembler AS
New package flowcanvas
Interactive widget for boxes and lines environments
New package gtkhash
GTK+ utility for computing message digests or checksums
New package libQtGTL
Qt bindings for OpenGTL
New package libdesktop-agnostic
Provides an extensible configuration API
New package libqxt
Qt extension library
New package orc
The Oil Run-time Compiler
New package pyclutter-gst
Python modules that allow you to use the Clutter-GST toolkit
New package pyclutter-gtk
Python modules that allow you to use the Clutter-GTK toolkit
New package python3-chardet
Character encoding auto-detection in Python
New package qtlockedfile
QFile extension with advisory locking functions
New package rasterview
CUPS raster file viewer
Updated Packages:
PyQt4-4.7.3-1.fc13
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* Sat Apr 17 2010 Rex Dieter rdie...@fedoraproject.org - 4.7.3-1
- PyQt-x11-gpl-4.7.3
R-2.11.0-1.fc13
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* Thu Apr 22 2010 Tom spot Callaway tcall...@redhat.com - 2.11.0-1
- update to 2.11.0
* Fri Apr 02 2010 Caolán McNamara caol...@redhat.com - 2.10.1-2
- rebuild for icu 4.4
afflib-3.5.10-1.fc13
* Sun Apr 18 2010 Nicolas Chauvet kwiz...@fedoraproject.org - 3.5.10-1
- Update to 3.5.10
- Remove upstreamed patch
alsa-lib-1.0.23-1.fc13
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* Fri Apr 16 2010 Jaroslav Kysela jkys...@redhat.com - 1.0.23-1
- Updated to 1.0.23 final
amsn-0.98.3-1.fc13
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* Sat Apr 24 2010 Sander Hoentjen san...@hoentjen.eu - 0.98.3-1
- update to 0.98.3
- check ssl connections (CVE-2010-0744)
- drop upstreamed patches
bsd-games-2.17-30.fc13
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* Sun Apr 18 2010 Wart w...@kobold.org 2.17-30
- Add patch to fix core dump in backgammon when screen is 24 lines
tall (BZ #580749)
chmsee-1.1.0-1.fc13
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* Tue Apr 13 2010 bbbush bbbush.y...@gmail.com - 1.1.0-1
- upstream release, support recent files and session recovery, etc.
coolkey-1.1.0-14.fc13
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* Mon Feb 22 2010 Robert Relyea rrel...@redhat.com - 1.1.0-14
- remove dependency on ifd-egate
cups-1.4.3-6.fc13
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* Fri Apr 16 2010 Tim Waugh twa...@redhat.com 1:1.4.3-6
- Mark DNS-SD Device IDs that have been guessed at with FZY:1;.
* Fri Apr 16 2010 Jiri Popelka jpope...@redhat.com 1:1.4.3-5
- Fixed str3541.patch
* Tue Apr 13 2010 Tim Waugh twa...@redhat.com 1:1.4.3-4
- Add an SNMP query for HP's device ID OID (STR #3552).
* Tue Apr 13 2010 Tim Waugh twa...@redhat.com 1:1.4.3-3
- Handle SNMP supply level quirks (bug #581825).
* Wed Mar 31 2010 Tim Waugh twa...@redhat.com 1:1.4.3-2
- Another BrowsePoll fix: handle EAI_NODATA as well (bug #567353).
* Wed Mar 31 2010 Jiri Popelka jpope...@redhat.com 1:1.4.3-1
- 1.4.3.
- No longer need CVE-2009-3553, str3381, str3390, str3391,
str3403, str3407, str3413, str3418, str3422, str3425,
str3428, str3431, str3435, str3436, str3439, str3440,
str3442, str3448, str3458, str3460, cups-sidechannel-intrs,
negative-snmp-string-length, cups-media-empty-warning patches.
* Tue Mar 30 2010 Jiri Popelka jpope...@redhat.com 1:1.4.2-36
- Fixed lpstat to adhere to -o option (bug #577901, STR #3541).
* Wed Mar 10 2010 Jiri Popelka jpope...@redhat.com 1:1.4.2-35
- Fixed (for the third time) patch for STR #3425 to correctly
remove job info files in /var/spool/cups (bug #571830).
directfb-1.4.3-1.fc13
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* Mon Apr 19 2010 Nicolas Chauvet kwiz...@fedoraproject.org - 1.4.3-1
- Update to 1.4.3
dracut-005-3.fc13
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* Tue Apr 20 2010 Harald Hoyer har...@redhat.com 005-3
- fixed network with multiple nics
- fixed nfsidmap paths
- do not run blkid on non active container raids
- fixed cdrom polling mechanism
- update to latest git
epiphany-2.30.2-1.fc13
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* Sun Apr 18 2010 Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com 2.30.2-1
- Update to 2.30.2
- Use GConf macros
epiphany-extensions-2.30.0-1.fc13
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* Thu Apr 01 2010 Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com - 2.30.0-1
- Update to 2.30.0
erlang-R13B-04.4.fc13
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* Sat Apr 17 2010 Peter Lemenkov lemen...@gmail.com - R13B-04.4
- Added missing Requires mesa-libGL{U} for wx module (rhbz #583287)
- Fix for buffer overflow in pcre module (rhbz #583288)
- Doc sub-package marked as noarch (partially resolves rhbz #491165)
freedroidrpg-0.13-1.fc13
* Mon Apr 19 2010 Wart w...@kobold.org - 0.13-1
- Update to 0.13
fuse-python-0.2.1-1.fc13
* Fri Apr 16 2010 Peter Lemenkov lemen...@gmail.com 0.2.1-1
- Ver. 0.2.1 (bugfix release)
- Patch dropped (upstreamed)
gcc-4.4.3-18.fc13
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* Thu Apr 22 2010 Jakub Jelinek ja...@redhat.com 4.4.3-18
- update from gcc-4_4-branch
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Re: A question about locale files
Am 26.04.2010 17:46, schrieb Robin 'cheese' Lee: It installs following locale files: ... /usr/share/locale/ru_RU.CP1251/LC_MESSAGES/gentoo.mo ... There are some issues here: 1. Directories like /usr/share/locale/ru_RU.* are not provided by any package. This conflicts with guidelines. 2. /usr/share/locale/ru_RU.utf8 and /usr/share/locale/ru_RU.UTF-8/ are obvious duplicates. 3. /usr/share/locale/ru_RU.UTF-8/ should be identical with /usr/share/locale/ru/, /usr/share/locale/ja_JP.UTF-8/ should be identical with /usr/share/locale/ja/ . Which is the proper way to solve these issues? and Felix Kaechele responded : http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Guidelines#Handling_Locale_Files will definitely help you. I think the guidelines Felix mentioned will simply locate the locale files and make sure they end up on the %files list, so the package will be complete, but they do not address the issue of whether the location is compatible with the Fedora standard layout guidelines. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Postgresql namespace
Is there any reason why we aren't naming this as closed to upstream as possible? http://www.postgresql.org/download/linux http://yum.pgsqlrpms.org/8.4/fedora/fedora-12-x86_64/ http://yum.pgsqlrpms.org/8.4/fedora/fedora-12-x86_64/ BTW What's the difference between upstream packages and the packages we build as in why does upstream feel compelled to provide it's own packages and repo? JBG -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Thunderbird bz 579023 still not fixed even though there is an upstream fix available
On 4/25/2010 8:37 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: On Sun, 2010-04-25 at 10:08 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote: I don't see how using Mozilla trademarks provides significant benefit to Fedora. It seems to mostly benefit Mozilla. I don't see why we should be breaking our rules to help them. I think you are grossly misjudging the relative visibility and importance of the Firefox and Fedora brands... nobody knows what Fedora is, while most computer users will have at least heard about Firefox. I disagree with your criteria. The visibility in of itself is not relevant; its consequences are. The important criteria, in my eyes, are: 1) Does the Mozilla name attract users to Fedora or keep them with Fedora once they have tasted it? 2) Would Fedora lose users if it dropped the trademarked name? 3) Does Fedora lose users by having unpatched versions of Firefox etc.? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: F13/i686: yum update emptied /boot, /bin, /lib, etc.
James Antill wrote: On Fri, 2010-04-23 at 15:52 -0400, Seth Vidal wrote: On Fri, 23 Apr 2010, Jim Meyering wrote: I've just realized that I had a list of all packages/versions that were installed as of a few weeks ago (April 5). In case it helps: Yah - the history sqlite file you uploaded has all that info in there (in a round about way) but the problem still is we don't know what precipitated all the erasures. b/c those erasures are JUST erasures, they aren't the cleanup step of an update. which points me at weird plugin behavior. Jim, is it possible you were running with LANG=C? Root's LANG setting was the relatively common default, but it's overridden by my LC_ALL=C setting: $ locale : LANG=en_US.UTF-8 LC_CTYPE=C LC_NUMERIC=C LC_TIME=C LC_COLLATE=C LC_MONETARY=C LC_MESSAGES=C LC_PAPER=C LC_NAME=C LC_ADDRESS=C LC_TELEPHONE=C LC_MEASUREMENT=C LC_IDENTIFICATION=C LC_ALL=C If so I'm 99% sure I've found the bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=585424 Langpacks goes on crack in LANG=C, for removals _and_ updated, removing everything Nice. Glad you found the cause/fix. Thanks! -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Thunderbird bz 579023 still not fixed even though there is an upstream fix available
On Sun, 2010-04-25 at 14:48 -0400, Chris Tyler wrote: * The trademark rules are there for a reason. Browser and e-mail clients are some of the most common attack points on desktop systems, and Mozilla needs to ensure that they don't get a black eye for some vulnerability introduced by a distro. And distros definitely introduce vulnerabilities: think about the Debian ssh-keygen patch fiasco as an example. We wouldn't do something so rash, of course -- or would we? The suggestion earlier in this thread that we patch TB and push directly to stable does not instill confidence. (We have the freedom to turn off the branding anytime and use the code however we want, but why give up the marketing value? and why give up the testing?) I think a rather large part of the problem here is that all the above 'special exception' pleading applies far more to Firefox than it does to Thunderbird. Firefox is a special exception; it's a phenomenon, the single most successful F/OSS app, an app with its own very definite distinct identity which many people know. It clearly does have a reputation to protect and I can entirely agree with it being very careful about that. Thunderbird...uhhh, not so much. It's nowhere near as popular as Firefox. Most people don't know what it is. It's not really a 'special exception'; it's just another application like the ten gazillion others we ship which don't have onerous trademark restrictions attached. I think it'd be appropriate for Mozilla to take a rather more liberal line with Thunderbird than it does with Firefox, if that's legally plausible. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Thunderbird bz 579023 still not fixed even though there is an upstream fix available
On Mon, 2010-04-26 at 10:36 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: IMO, *no* - it's time to spread the world about Mozilla's trademark policy violating the prinicples of Free SW and Fedora's Mozilla being hostage of it. You mean, much like the Fedora and Red Hat trademark policies, which say almost the exact same things? You can't modify Fedora under F/OSS principles and still call it Fedora, just like you can't modify Firefox under F/OSS principles and still call it Firefox. Both of us do this to protect the good name of the project. We'd be in an extremely glass house-y situation if we tried to 'call out' Mozilla over this. It'd be ridiculous. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Thunderbird bz 579023 still not fixed even though there is an upstream fix available
On 04/23/2010 12:03 AM, Martin Stransky wrote: Hi, we're patching mozilla packages only for really critical issues because of mozilla trademarks. We can't put any patch we want to the mozilla package and ship it as 'Firefox' or 'Thunderbird'. To clarify a little further... The main purpose to get patches accepted by upstream before inclusion in Fedora is to make sure we are doing things the right way. For example, some patches may inadvertently break standards compliance, have ill side effects with JavaScript, may fix connecting to some mail servers at the expense of others, etc. Since the browser and mail client are an integral part of the daily user experience, we don't want to patch things which would have an unintended effect. Also, in the past, certain distributors have altered or broken standards compliance in their clients with patches, and in continuing to do so, they no longer ship with Mozilla trademarks. They have effectively created a different browser and mail client that behaves differently on some web sites or mail servers. Correctly following open standards is extremely important for the internet, and the last thing I want is to effectively create a fork in this way. We do have an agreement with Mozilla and as such, we are permitted to use the Firefox and Thunderbird trademarks. But even if we did not or it were decided those marks were not important to us, I strongly feel that we should continue do things the right way and get patches accepted upstream first. I've asked for inclusion at upstream bug, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=550455, if you want to speed up the process you can reply there too. Looking at both the Red Hat and upstream bugs, The patch actually has already been accepted upstream already on 2010-04-01, just not in the same branch. There have been no complaints of regression in the bug however from trunk testers. As Firefox and Thunderbird are high usage and high visibility products which tend to get many bugs and patches, we limit consideration to certain classes of bugs with high impact. Based on the number of different users commenting and the number of duplicates of the bug, I think the impact of the bug was misjudged. Clearly this is leaving a bad taste in users mouths, and I think we have a responsibility to both Fedora and Mozilla to include a fix for it. However, I'd like to put this in updates-testing for several days to make sure it does not regress users of IMAP servers that do not suffer from this issue. Given the number of affected users, I think it would get high karma relatively quickly, so this is a case where I think karma automatism should be disabled. Let's see if anyone responds negatively in say 3 or 4 days before pushing this manually. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Thunderbird bz 579023 still not fixed even though there is an upstream fix available
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 15:45:53 -0700, Christopher Aillon cail...@redhat.com wrote: We do have an agreement with Mozilla and as such, we are permitted to use the Firefox and Thunderbird trademarks. But even if we did not or it were decided those marks were not important to us, I strongly feel that we should continue do things the right way and get patches accepted upstream first. And they should do things the right way as well. If they are bundling libraries, they should stop doing that. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Postgresql namespace
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22J=F3hann_B=2E_Gu=F0mundsson=22?= johan...@hi.is writes: BTW What's the difference between upstream packages and the packages we build as in why does upstream feel compelled to provide it's own packages and repo? Upstream, or more accurately Devrim, provides prebuilt packages for a range of Postgres release series on various platforms. Most of those platforms (including Fedora) only officially support one Postgres release series. The version that happens to match the platform's own package is a bit redundant, agreed, but it may be easier for Devrim to just build all the combinations than to track which one is redundant at any given time. Also, Devrim is pretty quick about publishing updates when new upstream minor releases come out. Some people might prefer that to the platform's own update process, which can be a *lot* slower. This doesn't apply so much to Fedora, where I usually push the official update about as quickly, but for sure it's an issue on RHEL and CentOS. regards, tom lane -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Please move your ABRT bugs upstream
On Mon, 2010-04-26 at 10:11 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 12:10 AM, Christoph Wickert christoph.wick...@googlemail.com wrote: I'm upstreaming reports from 'lazy idiots' too and some of them get fixed. In fact the percentage of the ones that get fixed is not different from the 'active' reporters cause usually the backtrace contains all necessary data for the developer to fix the problem. Hmm all your reports have all the necessary debugging information because the user happened to have all the debuginfo's installed at the time of the crash? It wouldn't surprise me, since ABRT will automatically download the debuginfo and regenerate the backtrace from the core dump. -- Matt -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Shell commands like to OS/2 shell (or MS PowerShell)
On Wed, 2010-04-21 at 09:33 +1000, Chris Jones wrote: On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote: On 19/04/10 23:51, Slava Zanko wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi folk, I want to propose new idea about names of command line utilites... For example, all present utilites have sence just for guru's (ls, rm, fsck etc), but for novies it's hard to use. Bookmark this: http://ss64.com/bash/ Less typing, less for novices to forget. -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded, Fedora.x86 64-32 Hybrid I'm against any change. It makes perfect sense the way it is now. And it's great for those who use both Linux and Unix because most commands are interoperable between the two platforms. And beyond that, it's fast as a result of keeping commands short and easy to remember. I haven't met a newbie yet that is even interested in learning how to interact with the command-line. They all seem to be some new breed migrating from Windows and expecting *nix to operate in a 1:1 manner. And for those who do want to learn it, do exactly that--learn it. It just takes time. Be patient. +1 I think there's more important things to focus on regarding Linux development. -- Chris Jones Photographic Imaging Professional and Graphic Designer ABN: 98 317 740 240 Basically MS introduced PowerShell to compete with bash and try to give Windows some flexibility like Linux (The syntax is now almost the same). Remember this is for power-users, and newbies do not want the hassle of using the commandline. Bash is a powerful tool and there maybe some flaws in the way that it can be used but is it worth a rewrite? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: playing flash regression in f13-beta
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Mike Chambers m...@miketc.net wrote: On Mon, 2010-04-26 at 15:50 +0800, Luming Yu wrote: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Jeff Spaleta jspal...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Luming Yu luming...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm,... tried ff 3.6.4, not working... Just fyi, the flash video in question works fine for me in a fully updated 64bit F13 beta using the 64bit flash using the tarball from the adobe website libflashplayer-10.0.45.2.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz any instructions on how to do that? Looks like it's not as simple as just copying it to /usr/lib64/flash-plugin... 1 - Your copying the .so file to the wrong location. Just copy it to /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugin/ dir and it works just fine, including firefox. yes, it works for me. 2 - There are repos out there that will package the plugin for you and have a repo setup to download it via yum and you don't have to do a thing. Just search for it. -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY Best lil town on Earth! -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: playing flash regression in f13-beta
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote: On 26/04/10 09:01, Luming Yu wrote: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Frank Murphyfrankl...@gmail.com wrote: On 24/04/10 11:13, Luming Yu wrote: Hi there, I came across a really weird problem with flash player on playing these video on http://video.nationalgeographic.com/video/index.html For those featured videos like Bacteria-size Babies Among Ocean's Smallest Life: Linux (f12) i686 + flash-plugin-10.0.45.2-release.i386 : works just fine. Linux (f13-beta) i686 + flash-plugin-10.0.45.2-release.i386: hang If by hang you mean it just keeps loading. It looks like keeps loading, since no new picutre is displayed except the first one indicating it's receving data forever.. I have them playing in Chromium. F13. Chromium + F13 makes no differences... FF 3.6.4-beta makes no differences... In my experiences (along with others), Bacteria-size Babies Among Ocean's Smallest Life can't play *until* some playable videos (like tiger: on that site) haven been played successfully. So it's extremely confusing if someone says it works for me when referring to those *weird* videos on national geographic web site, isn't it? ps. 64bit plug-in seems to work just fine. Once I disabled adblock-plus. Now working in friefox. F13 -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded, Fedora 64 32 bit -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Broken dependencies: Fedora 13 development - 2010-04-26
The following packages in the repository suffer from broken dependencies: == The results in this summary consider Test Updates! == package: cpanminus-0.9935-1.fc13.noarch from fedora-updates-testing-13-i386 unresolved deps: perl(App::cpanminus::script) package: cpanminus-0.9935-1.fc13.noarch from fedora-updates-testing-13-x86_64 unresolved deps: perl(App::cpanminus::script) -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/perl-devel
[Bug 585336] Review Request: perl-Sys-CPU - Getting CPU information
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=585336 --- Comment #4 from Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com 2010-04-26 02:55:24 EDT --- (In reply to comment #3) I have actually enquired the same to upstream, and awaiting a response. Will update as soon as I get a reply from upstream. Thanks for your reply. Without license the review can't pass. Ping me when upstream answer. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/perl-devel
[Bug 569301] Branch perl-Config-IniHash for EPEL
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=569301 --- Comment #6 from Fedora Update System upda...@fedoraproject.org 2010-04-26 19:22:47 EDT --- perl-Config-IniHash-3.00.00-5.el4 has been pushed to the Fedora EPEL 4 stable repository. If problems still persist, please make note of it in this bug report. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/perl-devel
[Bug 569301] Branch perl-Config-IniHash for EPEL
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=569301 Fedora Update System upda...@fedoraproject.org changed: What|Removed |Added Status|ON_QA |CLOSED Fixed In Version||perl-Config-IniHash-3.00.00 ||-5.el4 Resolution||ERRATA -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/perl-devel
[Bug 569301] Branch perl-Config-IniHash for EPEL
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=569301 --- Comment #7 from Fedora Update System upda...@fedoraproject.org 2010-04-26 19:26:16 EDT --- perl-Config-IniHash-3.00.00-5.el5 has been pushed to the Fedora EPEL 5 stable repository. If problems still persist, please make note of it in this bug report. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are on the CC list for the bug. -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/perl-devel
