Re: Provenpackager help needed to complete libpng/libtiff transition

2012-07-31 Thread Tom Lane
Adam Williamson  writes:
> On Wed, 2012-08-01 at 01:53 -0400, Tom Lane wrote:
>> There are still about half a dozen packages left that failed the recent
>> mass rebuild because they contain source-code dependencies on obsolete
>> versions of libpng and/or libtiff.  I've filed patches to fix them,
>> but don't have permissions to do it myself.  If any provenpackagers
>> have a bit of time to spare, could I pester you to look at these bugs?

> Thanks for doing the patches! Have you tried to upstream them, or are
> the upstreams for these dead?

I have not; I supposed that the respective package maintainers would be
in a better position than me to pester their upstreams.  These bugs are
the ones that I've not gotten a response on from the maintainer, so
perhaps the correct question to be asking is whether the Fedora
maintainer is asleep at the wheel ...

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redhat-lsb-desktop versus transition to current libpng

2012-07-31 Thread Tom Lane
I have been working for the better part of a year on moving Fedora off
of libpng's obsolete 1.2.x release series and onto the current 1.5.x
series.  We are practically there now, and I had hoped to drop libpng
1.2 from the distribution before the F18 branch.  However, I find that
redhat-lsb-desktop still has a dependency on 1.2, and it's not even
because that package contains any PNG-using code; rather, there's a
manually inserted version-specific dependency in the specfile:

%ifarch %{ix86}
Requires: libpng12.so.0
%endif
%ifarch x86_64
Requires: libpng12.so.0()(64bit)
%endif

This is unlike that specfile's treatment of any other library
it requires.  I have been told, at
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=835777#c8
that the LSB standard requires libpng 1.2, but without any supporting
evidence.  I looked at the underlying ISO documents and don't see any
requirement for libpng at all, let alone 1.2 in particular.  I am
doubtful that every other Linux distro is maintaining this long-obsolete
libpng version, too.

I would like to know how to proceed here.  "You should keep libpng 1.2
around indefinitely, on the basis of no evidence" is not an answer
I intend to accept.

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Re: Provenpackager help needed to complete libpng/libtiff transition

2012-07-31 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2012-08-01 at 01:53 -0400, Tom Lane wrote:
> There are still about half a dozen packages left that failed the recent
> mass rebuild because they contain source-code dependencies on obsolete
> versions of libpng and/or libtiff.  I've filed patches to fix them,
> but don't have permissions to do it myself.  If any provenpackagers
> have a bit of time to spare, could I pester you to look at these bugs?
> 
> Pixie 843294
> dcmtk 819236
> fuse-emulator 843645
> grace 843647
> gshutdown 843648
> luakit843652
> pngnq 843655
> tucnak2   843658

I'll take care of some of these tomorrow, if no-one else beats me to it.
Thanks for doing the patches! Have you tried to upstream them, or are
the upstreams for these dead?
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Provenpackager help needed to complete libpng/libtiff transition

2012-07-31 Thread Tom Lane
There are still about half a dozen packages left that failed the recent
mass rebuild because they contain source-code dependencies on obsolete
versions of libpng and/or libtiff.  I've filed patches to fix them,
but don't have permissions to do it myself.  If any provenpackagers
have a bit of time to spare, could I pester you to look at these bugs?

Pixie   843294
dcmtk   819236
fuse-emulator   843645
grace   843647
gshutdown   843648
luakit  843652
pngnq   843655
tucnak2 843658

Thanks!

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Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] [FINAL NOTICE] Retiring packages for F-18

2012-07-31 Thread Dennis Gilmore
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El Wed, 01 Aug 2012 00:36:43 +0200
Kevin Kofler  escribió:
> I wrote:
> > I'm looking into these:
> > 
> > Bill Nottingham wrote:
> >> Package komparator (fails to build)
> >> Package krecipes (fails to build)
> >> Package qalculate-kde (fails to build)
> >> Package tesseract (fails to build)
> 
> I fixed these 4 packages now.
> 
> Note that krecipes and tesseract both have newer upstream versions 
> available:
> * krecipes:
>   - current in Fedora: 1.0-beta2 (kdelibs3)
>   - current upstream: 2.0-beta2 (kdelibs4)
>   Note that this will need significant packaging changes, being a KDE
>   Platform 4 app now (whereas the current Fedora specfile is for the
>   old kdelibs3 version).
> * tesseract:
>   - current in Fedora: 3.00
>   - current upstream: 3.01 (new features, bugfixes etc.)
> It looks like they both could use a new (co)maintainer.

I've orphaned krecipes since i've not used it in years

Dennis
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Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] [FINAL NOTICE] Retiring packages for F-18

2012-07-31 Thread Kevin Kofler
I wrote:
> I'm looking into these:
> 
> Bill Nottingham wrote:
>> Package komparator (fails to build)
>> Package krecipes (fails to build)
>> Package qalculate-kde (fails to build)
>> Package tesseract (fails to build)

I fixed these 4 packages now.

Note that krecipes and tesseract both have newer upstream versions 
available:
* krecipes:
  - current in Fedora: 1.0-beta2 (kdelibs3)
  - current upstream: 2.0-beta2 (kdelibs4)
  Note that this will need significant packaging changes, being a KDE
  Platform 4 app now (whereas the current Fedora specfile is for the
  old kdelibs3 version).
* tesseract:
  - current in Fedora: 3.00
  - current upstream: 3.01 (new features, bugfixes etc.)
It looks like they both could use a new (co)maintainer.

For komparator and qalculate-kde, the respective kdelibs3-based versions 
currently in Fedora are the latest (last?) upstream versions though. :-(

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[perl-Danga-Socket/el6] fix dependency

2012-07-31 Thread Luis Enrique Bazán De León
commit 3d1aa7ef623dbe392792a290027d24b8f1e5c8bf
Author: Luis Bazan 
Date:   Tue Jul 31 17:29:13 2012 -0500

fix dependency

 perl-Danga-Socket.spec |4 +++-
 1 files changed, 3 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/perl-Danga-Socket.spec b/perl-Danga-Socket.spec
index 6d8ed9d..530dc21 100644
--- a/perl-Danga-Socket.spec
+++ b/perl-Danga-Socket.spec
@@ -1,6 +1,6 @@
 Name:   perl-Danga-Socket
 Version:1.61
-Release:1%{?dist}
+Release:2%{?dist}
 Summary:Event loop and event-driven async socket base class
 License:GPL+ or Artistic
 Group:  Development/Libraries
@@ -41,6 +41,8 @@ make test
 %{_mandir}/man3/Danga::Socket.*
 
 %changelog
+* Tue Jul 31 2012 Luis Bazan  - 1.61-2
+- Fix dependency
 
 * Fri Jun 22 2012 Luis Bazan  - 1.61-1 
 - Upstream released new version
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Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] [FINAL NOTICE] Retiring packages for F-18

2012-07-31 Thread Kevin Kofler
Tom Lane wrote:
> The tesseract issue is documented at bz 843275.
> 
> In general, I wish people would be closing out the relevant bugs when
> they fix these packages ...

Well, that bug was filed only a week ago, and neither the tracker nor the 
individual bugs were referenced in any way from the nagmail, so how was I 
expected to know about them?

Anyway, I closed the 4 bugs for the FTBFS issues I fixed.

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Re: can we get kernel 3.4.7 for Fedora 17 to solve libvirt issue?

2012-07-31 Thread Dan Allen
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Josh Boyer  wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 5:52 PM, Dan Allen  wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Josh Boyer  wrote:
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Dan Allen 
> wrote:
> >> > Prior to kernel 3.4.7, libvirt was getting pinned to a single CPU
> after
> >> > resume (making VMs run painfully slow). This problem is documented
> >> > thoroughly in this BZ:
> >> >
> >> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=714271
> >> >
> >> > This problem is fixed in 3.4.7, which is currently waiting on karma in
> >> > Fedora 16. However, for Fedora 17, it's 3.5 that's in the queue (with
> -1
> >> > karma). Would it be possible to prepare 3.4.7 for Fedora 17 instead of
> >> > 3.5
> >> > so that we get it sooner? This is really a painful bug.
> >>
> >> No, but you don't need 3.4.7.  The 3.5 update should already contain
> >> the same patch that fixed the libvirt issue.  Specifically:
> >>
> >> CPU-hotplug-cpusets-suspend-Dont-modify-cpusets-during.patch
> >>
> >> which is definitely applied to the 3.5 F17 update.
> >
> >
> > Oops, misunderstood your response the first time.
> >
> > Yes, I agree the 3.5 update will have the same fix. I suggested 3.4.6-3
> so
> > that we can get the fix sooner since 3.5 seems to be stuck (due to a
> problem
> > with cinnamon, according to the CI report).
>
> That karma is essentially worthless.  There's no bug report for the
> issue.  You're welcome to download the kernel from the update, install
> it, and give it positive karma if it works for you.
>

Ah, gotcha.

In fact, I just downloaded the kernel from koji and installed it between
replies :) Everything is working great, including the preservation of the
cpuset value after resume.

Karma given.

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Re: can we get kernel 3.4.7 for Fedora 17 to solve libvirt issue?

2012-07-31 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 5:52 PM, Dan Allen  wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Josh Boyer  wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Dan Allen  wrote:
>> > Prior to kernel 3.4.7, libvirt was getting pinned to a single CPU after
>> > resume (making VMs run painfully slow). This problem is documented
>> > thoroughly in this BZ:
>> >
>> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=714271
>> >
>> > This problem is fixed in 3.4.7, which is currently waiting on karma in
>> > Fedora 16. However, for Fedora 17, it's 3.5 that's in the queue (with -1
>> > karma). Would it be possible to prepare 3.4.7 for Fedora 17 instead of
>> > 3.5
>> > so that we get it sooner? This is really a painful bug.
>>
>> No, but you don't need 3.4.7.  The 3.5 update should already contain
>> the same patch that fixed the libvirt issue.  Specifically:
>>
>> CPU-hotplug-cpusets-suspend-Dont-modify-cpusets-during.patch
>>
>> which is definitely applied to the 3.5 F17 update.
>
>
> Oops, misunderstood your response the first time.
>
> Yes, I agree the 3.5 update will have the same fix. I suggested 3.4.6-3 so
> that we can get the fix sooner since 3.5 seems to be stuck (due to a problem
> with cinnamon, according to the CI report).

That karma is essentially worthless.  There's no bug report for the
issue.  You're welcome to download the kernel from the update, install
it, and give it positive karma if it works for you.

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Re: can we get kernel 3.4.7 for Fedora 17 to solve libvirt issue?

2012-07-31 Thread Dan Allen
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Josh Boyer  wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Dan Allen  wrote:
> > Prior to kernel 3.4.7, libvirt was getting pinned to a single CPU after
> > resume (making VMs run painfully slow). This problem is documented
> > thoroughly in this BZ:
> >
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=714271
> >
> > This problem is fixed in 3.4.7, which is currently waiting on karma in
> > Fedora 16. However, for Fedora 17, it's 3.5 that's in the queue (with -1
> > karma). Would it be possible to prepare 3.4.7 for Fedora 17 instead of
> 3.5
> > so that we get it sooner? This is really a painful bug.
>
> No, but you don't need 3.4.7.  The 3.5 update should already contain
> the same patch that fixed the libvirt issue.  Specifically:
>
> CPU-hotplug-cpusets-suspend-Dont-modify-cpusets-during.patch
>
> which is definitely applied to the 3.5 F17 update.
>

Oops, misunderstood your response the first time.

Yes, I agree the 3.5 update will have the same fix. I suggested 3.4.6-3 so
that we can get the fix sooner since 3.5 seems to be stuck (due to a
problem with cinnamon, according to the CI report).

(I am still seeing the issue with 3.4.6-2, which is what we would expect).

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Re: can we get kernel 3.4.7 for Fedora 17 to solve libvirt issue?

2012-07-31 Thread Dan Allen
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Josh Boyer  wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Dan Allen  wrote:
> > Prior to kernel 3.4.7, libvirt was getting pinned to a single CPU after
> > resume (making VMs run painfully slow). This problem is documented
> > thoroughly in this BZ:
> >
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=714271
> >
> > This problem is fixed in 3.4.7, which is currently waiting on karma in
> > Fedora 16. However, for Fedora 17, it's 3.5 that's in the queue (with -1
> > karma). Would it be possible to prepare 3.4.7 for Fedora 17 instead of
> 3.5
> > so that we get it sooner? This is really a painful bug.
>
> No, but you don't need 3.4.7.  The 3.5 update should already contain
> the same patch that fixed the libvirt issue.  Specifically:
>
> CPU-hotplug-cpusets-suspend-Dont-modify-cpusets-during.patch
>
> which is definitely applied to the 3.5 F17 update.
>

Hmm. My cpusets are still being modified. I'll reboot and run through the
steps to verify I can reproduce it, then I'll report back.

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Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] [FINAL NOTICE] Retiring packages for F-18

2012-07-31 Thread Josh Stone
On 07/31/2012 02:03 PM, Peter Robinson wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 9:42 PM, Kevin Kofler  wrote:
>> Are those build.log files really so large that they cannot be kept for
>> longer? :-( It's so annoying to see those build failures and to have no idea
>> why the builds failed.
> 
> There's 3 per build (src,i686,x64) and they do get pretty big, just
> look at the size of a kernel, qt or libreoffice build.

Are they at least stored compressed?

As such logs are highly repetitive, they're ideal for compression.  I
tried a kernel build.log with bzip2, and it went from 3.9M to 211K.  And
qt is better, from 20M to 294k!

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Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] [FINAL NOTICE] Retiring packages for F-18

2012-07-31 Thread Tom Lane
Kevin Kofler  writes:
> I'm looking into these:
> Bill Nottingham wrote:
>> Package komparator (fails to build)
>> Package krecipes (fails to build)
>> Package qalculate-kde (fails to build)
>> Package tesseract (fails to build)

> but since the build.log files are no longer available, I need to run new 
> builds first, so it's going to take a while. :-(

The tesseract issue is documented at bz 843275.

In general, I wish people would be closing out the relevant bugs when
they fix these packages ...

> I also really dislike the way FTBFS are handled now.

Agreed, this shouldn't be nearly so ad-hoc.  See recent threads.

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Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2012-07-23)

2012-07-31 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2012-07-31 at 22:58 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Akira TAGOH wrote:
> > Well, that's true for proprietary fonts, but not necessarily true for free
> > fonts.
> 
> Our default font set for most languages, DejaVu, ships carefully designed 
> hinting bytecode written specifically for FreeType's bytecode interpreter, 
> and its designers explicitly ask for it to be used rather than the 
> autohinter. (Some people dislike the font's look with the hinting, but it is 
> how the designers intended it to look.)

It seems like we're really just debating between:

* Default to autohinting and tweak specific fonts to use BCI
* Default to BCI and tweak specific fonts to use autohinting

I'm not sure it makes sense to worry about which approach is best for
the _really commonly used core fonts_ in deciding, because whichever
approach we take, clearly we'll wind up taking care to make sure those
fonts look good. I think the appropriate criterion to use for the
decision is which approach tends to work out best for J. Random Font -
the large body of less-used fonts both within the distro and outside it.
These are the fonts that are _not_ going to get special treatment and
will most likely wind up using the default rendering path, so we should
pick the default rendering path to work best for _those_ fonts, not for
the 'showcase' fonts which we take special care of.
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Re: F17 PM Test day late :) recap

2012-07-31 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2012-07-31 at 15:35 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> Adam Williamson wrote:
> [large snip]
> I hate to snip such a large body, but it will save other eyes from
> having to skip past it here.
> 
> > Hope that made sense and made things a bit clearer :)
> 
> I keep up with the test list (and occasionally enter QA meetings) so I
> am familiar with what you are attempting to do with TCMS. My suggestion
> was purely generic in nature. In the end I think you still need a wiki
> extension to handle the data entry as mediawiki is limited in large
> database-like data handling.
> 
> For instance: instead of a client app it could be a web app that accepts
> test case input from a user and stores it in a database for display on
> the corresponding wiki page. The wiki page would have a link on it eg.
> "input test data" that would link to the web app.
> 
> In any case I'm sure the Smart Minds of RHQA will figure it out. :P

A client app to input results into the existing Test Day and release
validation processes might be an interesting place to start, for sure.

There was some discussion back in 2009 of using a mediawiki extension
called semantic to do this, for some test days. IIRC, the Sugar folks
used it that way. See
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2009-September/084628.html . 
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Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2012-07-23)

2012-07-31 Thread Kevin Kofler
Benny Amorsen wrote:
> As far as I can tell subpixel rendering is disabled in these examples.

You need freetype-freeworld for that. It's still patented. :-(

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Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2012-07-23)

2012-07-31 Thread Kevin Kofler
Paul Wouters wrote:
> Every single Fedora upgrade in the last few years (with perhaps F17
> the exception) surprised me with superior fonts over the previous
> release. We might not have conveyed that, but I've been pretty happy
> with what people have done with fonts so far. I did not look at the
> latest feature proposal or there impact

The latest feature proposal is to basically revert to how things had been up 
to Fedora 14, unless a font manually opts in to having the hinting 
information it carries actually used (through a fontconfig configuration 
file). :-(

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Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2012-07-23)

2012-07-31 Thread Kevin Kofler
Matthew Garrett wrote:
> If it's clear to FESCo that the feature is going to have a significant
> impact on packages outside of those directly affected by the change then
> FESCo should take that into account when approving the feature. However,
> if a feature is well-confined to the packages under the maintainer's
> responsibility then second-guessing the maintainer's judgement is
> dangerous. Any negative fallout should be dealt with by the maintainer,
> and unless that fails I don't see any reason for FESCo to be involved.

The feature definitely has a significant impact on freetype. And freetype-
freeworld (which I own in RPM Fusion), though that's not in Fedora for 
obvious reasons. At the very least, you need to talk to Marek Kasik, the 
Fedora maintainer of freetype.

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Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] [FINAL NOTICE] Retiring packages for F-18

2012-07-31 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 9:42 PM, Kevin Kofler  wrote:
> I'm looking into these:
>
> Bill Nottingham wrote:
>> Package komparator (fails to build)
>> Package krecipes (fails to build)
>> Package qalculate-kde (fails to build)
>> Package tesseract (fails to build)
>
> but since the build.log files are no longer available, I need to run new
> builds first, so it's going to take a while. :-(
>
> Are those build.log files really so large that they cannot be kept for
> longer? :-( It's so annoying to see those build failures and to have no idea
> why the builds failed.

There's 3 per build (src,i686,x64) and they do get pretty big, just
look at the size of a kernel, qt or libreoffice build.

> I also really dislike the way FTBFS are handled now. In the past, bugs were
> filed for the build failures and they were all tracked on a tracking bug in
> Bugzilla, so it was always possible to see what needed fixing, and it was
> possible for provenpackagers to work on that in a coordinated fashion. These
> days, we get surprised with the failures at the last moment when they have
> actually been happening for 2 or 3 releases (depending on whether they would
> have built on F16 had there been a mass rebuild there)! We really need to
> track those failures in Bugzilla again.

That's being worked on as discussed in one of these threads,
previously it was done by Matt Domsch with access large amounts of
enterprise HW, there was a request for someone to step up to expedite
the process if you have time. That said every build gets failure
emails sent out so you could setup some form of rules to highlight the
problem or write a script to query koji on occasion for your failed
builds to email you a list of current non builds.

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Re: can we get kernel 3.4.7 for Fedora 17 to solve libvirt issue?

2012-07-31 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Dan Allen  wrote:
> Prior to kernel 3.4.7, libvirt was getting pinned to a single CPU after
> resume (making VMs run painfully slow). This problem is documented
> thoroughly in this BZ:
>
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=714271
>
> This problem is fixed in 3.4.7, which is currently waiting on karma in
> Fedora 16. However, for Fedora 17, it's 3.5 that's in the queue (with -1
> karma). Would it be possible to prepare 3.4.7 for Fedora 17 instead of 3.5
> so that we get it sooner? This is really a painful bug.

No, but you don't need 3.4.7.  The 3.5 update should already contain
the same patch that fixed the libvirt issue.  Specifically:

CPU-hotplug-cpusets-suspend-Dont-modify-cpusets-during.patch

which is definitely applied to the 3.5 F17 update.

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Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2012-07-23)

2012-07-31 Thread Kevin Kofler
Akira TAGOH wrote:
> Well, that's true for proprietary fonts, but not necessarily true for free
> fonts.

Our default font set for most languages, DejaVu, ships carefully designed 
hinting bytecode written specifically for FreeType's bytecode interpreter, 
and its designers explicitly ask for it to be used rather than the 
autohinter. (Some people dislike the font's look with the hinting, but it is 
how the designers intended it to look.)

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Re: can we get kernel 3.4.7 for Fedora 17 to solve libvirt issue?

2012-07-31 Thread Dan Allen
Actually, just getting 3.4.6-3 would be fine:

http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=4325884

-Dan

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Dan Allen  wrote:

> Prior to kernel 3.4.7, libvirt was getting pinned to a single CPU after
> resume (making VMs run painfully slow). This problem is documented
> thoroughly in this BZ:
>
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=714271
>
> This problem is fixed in 3.4.7, which is currently waiting on karma in
> Fedora 16. However, for Fedora 17, it's 3.5 that's in the queue (with -1
> karma). Would it be possible to prepare 3.4.7 for Fedora 17 instead of 3.5
> so that we get it sooner? This is really a painful bug.
>
> -Dan
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can we get kernel 3.4.7 for Fedora 17 to solve libvirt issue?

2012-07-31 Thread Dan Allen
Prior to kernel 3.4.7, libvirt was getting pinned to a single CPU after
resume (making VMs run painfully slow). This problem is documented
thoroughly in this BZ:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=714271

This problem is fixed in 3.4.7, which is currently waiting on karma in
Fedora 16. However, for Fedora 17, it's 3.5 that's in the queue (with -1
karma). Would it be possible to prepare 3.4.7 for Fedora 17 instead of 3.5
so that we get it sooner? This is really a painful bug.

-Dan

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Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] [FINAL NOTICE] Retiring packages for F-18

2012-07-31 Thread Kevin Kofler
I'm looking into these:

Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Package komparator (fails to build)
> Package krecipes (fails to build)
> Package qalculate-kde (fails to build)
> Package tesseract (fails to build)

but since the build.log files are no longer available, I need to run new 
builds first, so it's going to take a while. :-(

Are those build.log files really so large that they cannot be kept for 
longer? :-( It's so annoying to see those build failures and to have no idea 
why the builds failed.

I also really dislike the way FTBFS are handled now. In the past, bugs were 
filed for the build failures and they were all tracked on a tracking bug in 
Bugzilla, so it was always possible to see what needed fixing, and it was 
possible for provenpackagers to work on that in a coordinated fashion. These 
days, we get surprised with the failures at the last moment when they have 
actually been happening for 2 or 3 releases (depending on whether they would 
have built on F16 had there been a mass rebuild there)! We really need to 
track those failures in Bugzilla again.

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Re: F17 PM Test day late :) recap

2012-07-31 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson

On 07/31/2012 01:30 PM, Jaroslav Skarvada wrote:

During the event it proved that managing dozens of attendants become
pain with the current test day infrastructure. For newcomers it was
hard to understand how to fill results into wiki (or the concept of
the wiki itself). It was even harder for remotees. Several times we
received plain text reports and we had to transfer them into wiki
ourself. In rush hours there were so many conflicting edits in the
wiki that we had to utilize one people who worked only as a wiki
corrector. I cannot imagine how to handle e.g. double number of
participants with the current system. I think that some more robust
and intuitive system is needed to attract/handle more participants.
If designed the right way it could also simplify evaluation of results
and could give answers to various queries like "what HW worked on
which version of Fedora".


At the time we looked at various testing system but all of them fell 
short one way or another thus we decide to settle on something reporters 
where familiar with as an short stop until we found or came up with 
something better and we had couple of ideas how that should look like 
which well let's say was quite different from the traditional tcms.


In any case this discussion and how it can be improved belongs on the 
-test list where the QA community resides...


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Re: [ACTION REQUIRED v4] Retiring packages for F-18

2012-07-31 Thread Tom Callaway
On 07/25/2012 06:24 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Package libharu (fails to build)

Fixed it (libpng 1.5 issues), bumped it to 2.2.1. This required a
rebuild of deps (perl-PDF-Haru, EMBOSS), which I also kicked off in rawhide.

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Re: F17 PM Test day late :) recap

2012-07-31 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Adam Williamson wrote:
[large snip]
I hate to snip such a large body, but it will save other eyes from
having to skip past it here.

> Hope that made sense and made things a bit clearer :)

I keep up with the test list (and occasionally enter QA meetings) so I
am familiar with what you are attempting to do with TCMS. My suggestion
was purely generic in nature. In the end I think you still need a wiki
extension to handle the data entry as mediawiki is limited in large
database-like data handling.

For instance: instead of a client app it could be a web app that accepts
test case input from a user and stores it in a database for display on
the corresponding wiki page. The wiki page would have a link on it eg.
"input test data" that would link to the web app.

In any case I'm sure the Smart Minds of RHQA will figure it out. :P
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Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] [FINAL NOTICE] Retiring packages for F-18

2012-07-31 Thread Haïkel Guémar

Le 31/07/2012 19:11, Bill Nottingham a écrit :

Package libgtksourceviewmm (fails to build)

retired, since nobody claimed it.


Package nvi (orphan)
Package torque (orphan)


 Both taken and co-maintainers are very welcome !

best regards,
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Re: Minor change to with_python3 conditions in specfiles

2012-07-31 Thread David Malcolm
On Tue, 2012-07-31 at 08:39 -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 11:29:02AM -0400, David Malcolm wrote:
> > For python packages that build python 2 and 3 subpackages from one
> > shared src.rpm, the current example on
> >   http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Python#Example_spec_file
> > has this fragment:
> >   %if 0%{?fedora} > 12 || 0%{?rhel} > 6
> >   %global with_python3 1
> >   ...snip...
> > which was written with the assumption that RHEL 7 onwards will have
> > Python 3 packaged in the same way as we do in Fedora.
> > 
> > However, over the long lifetime of a RHEL release there will be multiple
> > upstream Python 3 releases, so RH is thinking of handling Python 3 in
> > RHEL 7 in a different way to how Fedora does it, to better support the
> > possibility of multiple Python 3 stacks - though exactly how it's to be
> > done in RHEL 7 isn't fleshed out yet.
> > 
> > Coming back to Fedora, the above means that I'd like to change the above
> > to omit the "rhel" clause, so that it reads:
> > 
> >   %if 0%{?fedora} > 12
> >   %global with_python3 1
> > 
> > and to make equivalent changes throughout the specfiles in Fedora, so
> > that such dual src.rpms aren't dual src.rpms in the RHEL context, only
> > in Fedora.
> > 
> Tentative +1 It'll need to go to the full FPC.  I think that they will
> say that since it's RHEL/EPEL and not Fedora the change is fine.  But they'd
> be a lot more comfortable (specifically with the changing of existing
> packages) if they knew what the RHEL method is going to look like.
Well, so would I :(

http://jnovy.fedorapeople.org/scl-utils/ is one possibility

In the meantime, I've opened:
  https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/200


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Re: F17 PM Test day late :) recap

2012-07-31 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2012-07-31 at 14:14 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> Adam Williamson wrote:
> > Still, I agree it's not an optimal system, and if anyone has any
> > suggestions for alternatives we'd be glad to have them.
> 
> Sounds like you need a client app that will talk to a Fedora infra
> server and dump the data into a database. A wiki extension could be made
> to connect to that database and display the data.
> 
> I use something[1] like I described to display Bugzilla bugs into wiki
> pages.
> 
> [1] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Bugzilla_Reports

I didn't really cover the problem space very well, sorry for that.

It's one of those things that gets bigger each time you look at it. In
traditional 'big grown-up QA' terms, what we're doing is using the Wiki
as a TCMS - test case management system. Real big grown-up QA tends to
base a lot of work around these, which are pretty complex projects that
aim to handle both the creation and management of test cases, and
tracking test results.

Test Days are really just one application, is the thing - at least
looking at things from the traditional perspective, it wouldn't make a
lot of sense to write a small, Test Day-specific client/server system,
because really Test Days are just events where we get lots of people
together to iterate intensively over a specific set of test cases. In
theory the test cases aren't 'special' - they can be run in other
contexts besides Test Days, which might want different things from the
results. TCMSes tend to wind up as big sophisticated beasts which can
track results in lots of different ways.

TCMSes unfortunately tend to be built with an assumption that they'll be
used by a small group of trusted and relatively savvy users: they'll be
used by a dedicated QA team in a 'closed' environment, essentially. So
they don't go out of their way to be easy to use and often aren't
architected in a way which would make them particularly easy to deploy
in an environment like Fedora, where we want to be open to engagement by
very casual testers and people who aren't necessarily trusted and
experienced QA members.

There are several open source TCMSes and similar systems that we could,
in theory, use for Fedora QA; we've evaluated several of them in the
past. The 'obvious' candidate for Fedora is Nitrate, which is Red Hat's
TCMS - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Nitrate . Red Hat QE, which is a
much more grown-up and 'proper' effort than Fedora QA (but also
basically a closed shop within RH), bases all its work around Nitrate.
Even Nitrate, though, has quite a lot of disadvantages compared to the
Wiki when it comes to the unique context of Fedora testing -
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tcms_Comparison is an evaluation of
nitrate against the various features of 'wiki as a TCMS' which we've
found useful or which have become integrated into the way in which we do
testing for Fedora. Other open source TCMSes all have similar issues, or
more, in the context of Fedora QA. None of them would be a
straightforward drop-in replacement for the way we currently order
things, with clear advantages and only a few drawbacks - they'd all
represent a significant trade-off in capability and would take a lot of
engineering work and re-design of our processes. This doesn't mean we
shouldn't do it, of course, but it's not a straightforward call.

There are, of course, always other ways of looking at things. You could
take the point of view that a lot of successful open source code
resulted from someone starting out by doing something small in a
simplistic, unsophisticated way, and building from there. Perhaps the
fact that we've never found a drop-in TCMS that entirely makes sense for
Fedora is an indication that we really ought to grow our own, and making
a simple limited system specifically for Test Days, or some other
specific use Fedora makes of test cases, wouldn't be such a bad way to
start out: I'm certainly sympathetic to the view that sometimes it works
out better to do a good job on a small task in a relatively short time
with concrete results than to look at everything Fedora QA would
ultimately want from a TCMS and try to knock it all off on the first
try.

So that's a very longwinded way of saying - 'yes, with reservations' :).
I could certainly see value in an effort to write a relatively simple
system for handling test cases and results for Fedora test days,
tailored to the somewhat unusual requirements of collaborative testing
for an open project like Fedora. But I think if anyone's going to do it,
they should do it with all of the above in mind - bear in mind that
they're not exactly breaking new ground, but approaching a relatively
mature field from a slightly unique angle. Be aware that, ultimately,
what we really want is a more complex and flexible system around which
we could base all of Fedora's QA efforts; something that can _only_ ever
work for the Test Day format would be a bit of a dead end.

Hope that made sense and made things

Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] [FINAL NOTICE] Retiring packages for F-18

2012-07-31 Thread Jon Ciesla
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Jon Ciesla  wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Bill Nottingham  wrote:
>> Before we branch for Fedora 18, as is custom, we will block currently
>> orphaned packages and packages that have failed to build since Fedora 16.
>>
>> The following packages are currently orphaned, or fail to build. If
>> you have a need for one of these packages, please pick them up.
>> If no one claims any of these packages, they will be blocked before
>> we branch for Fedora 18. We will block these packages on Monday, August 06.
>>
>> Note that if you're receiving this mail directly, it's because you are
>> a co-maintainer of one of these packages. Please work with your
>> comaintainers to take up maintenance.
>>
>
>> Package freenx-client (fails to build)
>
> Fixed.
>
>
>> Package pngcrush (fails to build)
>
> Fixed.
>
>>
>> Package tritonus (orphan)
>
> Taken.
>
> -J

Too many recipients. . .

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Re: Debugging Fedora UEFI boot problems on Intel DQ77MK

2012-07-31 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 10:27:54PM +0300, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote:

> .. and it's stuck there. I need to press Reset button to continue.
> It did read the CD for a while until it got frozen.

Yeah, that's definitely a bug then. We'll see if we can reproduce it.

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Re: Debugging Fedora UEFI boot problems on Intel DQ77MK

2012-07-31 Thread Pasi Kärkkäinen
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 08:16:29PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 09:41:48PM +0300, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote:
> > Secure boot not enabled
> > error: failure reading sector 0x40 from `cd0Ž.
> 
> Try changing the firmware from AHCI to IDE mode. We're pretty sure this 
> is a bug in Intel's AHCI driver, but we'll try to figure out a 
> workaround in grub.
> 

Ok, I changed from AHCI to IDE mode, and now I get:

-
Booting `Fedora 17Ž

Secure boot not enabled
-

.. and it's stuck there. I need to press Reset button to continue.
It did read the CD for a while until it got frozen.


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Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] [FINAL NOTICE] Retiring packages for F-18

2012-07-31 Thread Bill Nottingham
Richard Shaw (hobbes1...@gmail.com) said: 
> Whoops, sorry about the reply to all (dang gmail)... I'll repost just
> to the devel mailing list (I canceled the original).
> 
> On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Bill Nottingham  wrote:
> > Before we branch for Fedora 18, as is custom, we will block currently
> > orphaned packages and packages that have failed to build since Fedora 16.
> >
> > The following packages are currently orphaned, or fail to build. If
> > you have a need for one of these packages, please pick them up.
> > If no one claims any of these packages, they will be blocked before
> > we branch for Fedora 18. We will block these packages on Monday, August 06.
> 
> Will the FTBFS packages be orphaned prior to being blocked? It would
> seem a grace period would be a good idea so people can pick them up if
> the current owner is non-responsive.

Not directly. But if you have a fix and can get a proven packager to apply
and build it, they won't be blocked.

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Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] [FINAL NOTICE] Retiring packages for F-18

2012-07-31 Thread Jerry James
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Bill Nottingham  wrote:
> Package gnofract4d (orphan)
> comaintained by: firewing

I have taken ownership of this one.
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Re: Debugging Fedora UEFI boot problems on Intel DQ77MK

2012-07-31 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 09:41:48PM +0300, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote:
> Secure boot not enabled
> error: failure reading sector 0x40 from `cd0Ž.

Try changing the firmware from AHCI to IDE mode. We're pretty sure this 
is a bug in Intel's AHCI driver, but we'll try to figure out a 
workaround in grub.

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Re: F17 PM Test day late :) recap

2012-07-31 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Adam Williamson wrote:
> Still, I agree it's not an optimal system, and if anyone has any
> suggestions for alternatives we'd be glad to have them.

Sounds like you need a client app that will talk to a Fedora infra
server and dump the data into a database. A wiki extension could be made
to connect to that database and display the data.

I use something[1] like I described to display Bugzilla bugs into wiki
pages.

[1] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Bugzilla_Reports
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Re: [ACTION REQUIRED] [FINAL NOTICE] Retiring packages for F-18

2012-07-31 Thread Richard Shaw
Whoops, sorry about the reply to all (dang gmail)... I'll repost just
to the devel mailing list (I canceled the original).

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Bill Nottingham  wrote:
> Before we branch for Fedora 18, as is custom, we will block currently
> orphaned packages and packages that have failed to build since Fedora 16.
>
> The following packages are currently orphaned, or fail to build. If
> you have a need for one of these packages, please pick them up.
> If no one claims any of these packages, they will be blocked before
> we branch for Fedora 18. We will block these packages on Monday, August 06.

Will the FTBFS packages be orphaned prior to being blocked? It would
seem a grace period would be a good idea so people can pick them up if
the current owner is non-responsive.

Thanks,
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[ACTION REQUIRED] [FINAL NOTICE] Retiring packages for F-18

2012-07-31 Thread Bill Nottingham
Before we branch for Fedora 18, as is custom, we will block currently
orphaned packages and packages that have failed to build since Fedora 16.

The following packages are currently orphaned, or fail to build. If
you have a need for one of these packages, please pick them up.
If no one claims any of these packages, they will be blocked before
we branch for Fedora 18. We will block these packages on Monday, August 06.

Note that if you're receiving this mail directly, it's because you are
a co-maintainer of one of these packages. Please work with your
comaintainers to take up maintenance.

Package UnihanDb (fails to build)
Package apache-commons-launcher (fails to build)
Package archmage (orphan)
Package autoarchive (fails to build)
Package boolstuff (orphan)
Package boolstuff (orphan)
Package cmucl (orphan)
comaintained by: green
Package eboard (fails to build)
Package eclipse-collabnet-merge (fails to build)
Package eclipse-emf-query (fails to build)
Package eclipse-emf-transaction (fails to build)
Package eclipse-emf-validation (fails to build)
Package eclipse-m2m-qvtoml (fails to build)
Package eclipse-mdt-ocl (fails to build)
Package eclipse-mdt-uml2 (fails to build)
Package ext3grep (fails to build)
Package ezmorph (fails to build)
Package fillmore-lombard (fails to build)
comaintained by: salimma
Package freenx-client (fails to build)
Package gant (fails to build)
Package gconf-cleaner (fails to build)
Package globalplatform (orphan)
Package gnofract4d (orphan)
comaintained by: firewing
Package gnome-do-docklets (fails to build)
Package gooddata-cl (fails to build)
Package gpshell (orphan)
Package gtkmm-utils (orphan)
Package gtkmm-utils (orphan)
Package hamster-applet (orphan)
Package hartke-aurulent-sans-fonts (orphan)
Package ibus-table-code (fails to build)
Package ibus-table-others (fails to build)
comaintained by: nkumar
Package jpoker (fails to build)
Package json (orphan)
Package json-lib (fails to build)
Package k12linux-quick-start-guide (orphan)
Package kadu (fails to build)
comaintained by: gajownik radekl
Package komparator (fails to build)
Package krecipes (fails to build)
Package ksplice (fails to build)
Package libcrystalhd (fails to build)
comaintained by: kwizart
Package libgdbus (fails to build)
Package libgtkhotkey (orphan)
Package libgtksourceviewmm (fails to build)
Package libharu (fails to build)
Package libhid (fails to build)
Package libkml (fails to build)
Package libqttracker (fails to build)
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Package libsoup22 (orphan)
Package libsoup22 (orphan)
Package man-pages-it (orphan)
Package man-pages-ko (orphan)
Package metapixel (fails to build)
Package mimetic (fails to build)
Package mingw-libp11 (orphan)
comaintained by: rjones
Package mingw-opensc (orphan)
comaintained by: rjones
Package mod_scgi (fails to build)
Package munipack (fails to build)
Package natus (fails to build)
Package ntfs-config (fails to build)
Package nvi (orphan)
Package perl-Nagios-Plugin-Beanstalk (orphan)
Package pfqueue (orphan)
Package pianobooster (fails to build)
Package pino (fails to build)
Package pngcrush (fails to build)
Package polyester (orphan)
Package polyester3 (orphan)
Package printoxx (fails to build)
Package putty (fails to build)
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Package pxe-kexec (fails to build)
Package python-chm (orphan)
Package python-modjkapi (fails to build)
Package python-pywt (fails to build)
Package python-remoteobjects (orphan)
Package python-typepad (orphan)
Package qalculate-kde (fails to build)
Package ragel (fails to build)
Package raul (fails to build)
Package scite (fails to build)
Package selenium-core (fails to build)
Package selenium-remote-control (fails to build)
Package sofsip-cli (fails to build)
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Package specto (fails to build)
Package subcommander (fails to build)
Package svnkit (fails to build)
Package tesseract (fails to build)
Package torque (orphan)
Package tritonus (orphan)
comaintained by: bsjones
Package typepad-motion (orphan)
Package upstart (orphan)
Package winwrangler (orphan)
Package wmfire (fails to build)
Package xaos (fails to build)
Package xdrawchem (fails to build)
Package xesam-glib (fails to build)

List of deps left behind by packages which are orphaned or fail to build:

Removing: freenx-client
kdenetwork requires pkgconfig(nxcl) = 1.0

Removing: ksplice
fedora-ksplice requires ksplice = 0.9.9-2.fc15

Removing: libgtkhotkey
synapse requires libgtkhotkey.so.1

Removing: libharu
EMBOSS requires libhpdf-2.1.0.so
EMBOSS requires libharu-devel = 2.1.0-3.fc15
EMBOSS-libs requires libhpdf-2.1.0.so
libeplplot requires libhpdf-2.1.0.so
perl-PDF-Haru requires libhpdf-2.1.0.so
perl-PDF-Haru requires libharu-devel = 2.1.0-3.fc15

Removing: libsoup22
libopensync-plugin-syncml requires libsoup22-devel = 2.2.105-9.fc15
libsyncml requires libsoup-2.2.so.8
libsyncml require

Re: F17 PM Test day late :) recap

2012-07-31 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2012-07-31 at 09:30 -0400, Jaroslav Skarvada wrote:

> During the event it proved that managing dozens of attendants become
> pain with the current test day infrastructure. For newcomers it was
> hard to understand how to fill results into wiki (or the concept of
> the wiki itself). It was even harder for remotees. Several times we
> received plain text reports and we had to transfer them into wiki
> ourself. In rush hours there were so many conflicting edits in the
> wiki that we had to utilize one people who worked only as a wiki
> corrector. I cannot imagine how to handle e.g. double number of
> participants with the current system. I think that some more robust
> and intuitive system is needed to attract/handle more participants.
> If designed the right way it could also simplify evaluation of results
> and could give answers to various queries like "what HW worked on
> which version of Fedora".
> 
> So again many thanks to all attendees and supporters and hope to see
> you during F18 PM test day :)

Thanks for the recap and the process feedback!

Yeah, the wiki system certainly has limitations. The problem is that any
replacement is likely to be significantly more complex on the
infrastructure side and also for Test Day organizers than simply using
the Wiki, so it's something of a trade-off; we've never found any kind
of 'drop-in' system that does exactly what we want. At least as far as
we've found so far, any replacement would make it somewhat more
difficult to organize a Test Day.

I've run X Test Weeks for several releases which can get upwards of 100
responses sometimes, and the Wiki has mostly held out to that.

Still, I agree it's not an optimal system, and if anyone has any
suggestions for alternatives we'd be glad to have them.
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Re: Debugging Fedora UEFI boot problems on Intel DQ77MK

2012-07-31 Thread Pasi Kärkkäinen
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 11:11:07AM -0400, Peter Jones wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-07-30 at 21:23 +0300, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 11:02:07PM +0300, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote:
> > > 
> > > > >I'm pretty sure this is a Intel firmware bug, but it'd be nice to be 
> > > > >able to
> > > > >confirm that somehow..
> > > > 
> > > > Well, either the bootloader or the kernel (or something after that) is 
> > > > not
> > > > succeeding If Windows works in UEFI mode on the machine, then we would 
> > > > still
> > > > consider it to be a bug we should fix, even if the firmware fails to 
> > > > comply to
> > > > precisely to our previous interpretation of the spec.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > I'll try installing Windows aswell.
> > > 
> > 
> > I just tried Win7 SP1 x64, and it seems to install and work OK in UEFI mode.
> > After installation I verified it had created GPT system partition,
> > and also I used "bcdedit" to verify windows has booted using bootmgfw.efi 
> > and winload.efi.
> > 
> > So yes, win7 works in UEFI mode, but f16/f17/rhel63 x64 fail in UEFI mode.
> > 
> > Should I open a fedora bugzilla ticket?
> 
> Probably - but first, could you try booting the iso at
> http://pjones.fedorapeople.org/sb/boot-sb4.iso ?  It's using a boot
> process that's a bit different (and more like what F18 will have), so
> and the code is different enough that there's some chance any given
> bug is incidentally fixed.
> 

with that boot-sb4.iso I get first the grub 2.00 menu, and after choosing 
Fedora 17 entry:

--
Booting `Fedora 17`

Secure boot not enabled
error: failure reading sector 0x40 from `cd0Ž.

Press any key to continue...
--

And it's stuck there.. pressing "any key" doesn't help,
and ctrl+alt+del doesn't work either. I have to press Reset button.

I tried burning the iso image twice to different cdr's.. didn't help.
Any ideas? 


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[389-devel] please review ticket 413 - "Server is unwilling to perform" when running ldapmodify on nsds5ReplicaStripAttrs

2012-07-31 Thread Mark Reynolds

https://fedorahosted.org/389//ticket/413/

https://fedorahosted.org/389/attachment/ticket/413/0001-Ticket-413-Server-is-unwilling-to-perform-when-runni.patch

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Re: F17 PM Test day late :) recap

2012-07-31 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2012-07-31 at 10:40 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-07-31 at 09:30 -0400, Jaroslav Skarvada wrote:
> 
> > During the event it proved that managing dozens of attendants become
> > pain with the current test day infrastructure. For newcomers it was
> > hard to understand how to fill results into wiki (or the concept of
> > the wiki itself). It was even harder for remotees. Several times we
> > received plain text reports and we had to transfer them into wiki
> > ourself. In rush hours there were so many conflicting edits in the
> > wiki that we had to utilize one people who worked only as a wiki
> > corrector. I cannot imagine how to handle e.g. double number of
> > participants with the current system. I think that some more robust
> > and intuitive system is needed to attract/handle more participants.
> > If designed the right way it could also simplify evaluation of results
> > and could give answers to various queries like "what HW worked on
> > which version of Fedora".
> > 
> > So again many thanks to all attendees and supporters and hope to see
> > you during F18 PM test day :)
> 
> Thanks for the recap and the process feedback!
> 
> Yeah, the wiki system certainly has limitations. The problem is that any
> replacement is likely to be significantly more complex on the
> infrastructure side and also for Test Day organizers than simply using
> the Wiki, so it's something of a trade-off; we've never found any kind
> of 'drop-in' system that does exactly what we want. At least as far as
> we've found so far, any replacement would make it somewhat more
> difficult to organize a Test Day.
> 
> I've run X Test Weeks for several releases which can get upwards of 100
> responses sometimes, and the Wiki has mostly held out to that.
> 
> Still, I agree it's not an optimal system, and if anyone has any
> suggestions for alternatives we'd be glad to have them.

Forgot to mention - please consider the Test Day SOP to be guidelines,
not hard and fast rules - if you think of a way to adjust the process
which you think would be beneficial for your Test Day, by all means go
ahead and do it, no-one will be angry! So if you can think of any
methods that you think might improve the ease of the feedback process,
please do go ahead and try them for the f18 PM test day, and let us know
how they go.
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Re: [ACTION REQUIRED v4] Retiring packages for F-18

2012-07-31 Thread Stewart Adam

On 12-07-30 4:46 PM, Jerry James wrote:

I'm happy to take it, if you will orphan it in pkgdb.

Great, done!

Regards,
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Re: Debugging Fedora UEFI boot problems on Intel DQ77MK

2012-07-31 Thread Peter Jones
On Mon, 2012-07-30 at 21:23 +0300, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 11:02:07PM +0300, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote:
> > 
> > > >I'm pretty sure this is a Intel firmware bug, but it'd be nice to be 
> > > >able to
> > > >confirm that somehow..
> > > 
> > > Well, either the bootloader or the kernel (or something after that) is not
> > > succeeding If Windows works in UEFI mode on the machine, then we would 
> > > still
> > > consider it to be a bug we should fix, even if the firmware fails to 
> > > comply to
> > > precisely to our previous interpretation of the spec.
> > > 
> > 
> > I'll try installing Windows aswell.
> > 
> 
> I just tried Win7 SP1 x64, and it seems to install and work OK in UEFI mode.
> After installation I verified it had created GPT system partition,
> and also I used "bcdedit" to verify windows has booted using bootmgfw.efi and 
> winload.efi.
> 
> So yes, win7 works in UEFI mode, but f16/f17/rhel63 x64 fail in UEFI mode.
> 
> Should I open a fedora bugzilla ticket?

Probably - but first, could you try booting the iso at
http://pjones.fedorapeople.org/sb/boot-sb4.iso ?  It's using a boot
process that's a bit different (and more like what F18 will have), so
and the code is different enough that there's some chance any given
bug is incidentally fixed.



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Fedora 18 Feature Freeze in one week - Tuesday Aug 07

2012-07-31 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
REMINDER: Tuesday, August 07 is the Feature Freeze for Fedora 18,
the Planning & Development phase ends.

At this point, all accepted features should be substantially complete,
and testable. Additionally, if a feature is to be enabled by default,
it must be so enabled at Feature Freeze. Check [1] and [2].

Feature owners - please make sure to update the percentage of completion
and the last updated date. If you're not sure to make the deadline,
please let me know and update current status to reflect the issues you
hit. It's going to help me a lot to understand what's going on with
your feature. Features that do not make Feature Freeze in testeable
state will be submitted to FESCo for re-review to assure we should
promote them as Features. Currently we have 61 Features approved by
FESCo and one still waiting for approval.

In case of any questions etc., feel free to contact me - I'm still very
friendly Feature Wrangler, especially to all Feature owners with 85%+
percentage of completion ;-)

Jaroslav

[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Feature_Freeze_Policy
[2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Policy/Milestones#Feature_Freeze

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F17 PM Test day late :) recap

2012-07-31 Thread Jaroslav Skarvada
Hi,

thanks all for attending F17 PM Test day, late :) recap follows.

General results:
Number of attendees: 39
Reports received: 52
Unique machines tested: 49
Bugs reported (all trackers counted): 21
Bugs closed so far: 13

Test cases (TC) results (in braces are F16 results):
TC passed: 82.48 %  (79 %)
TC passed with warning: 3.62 % (7 %)
TC failed: 13.90 % (14 %)

Power consumption benchmark results (active idle test, data
mostly taken from ACPI battery by provided script):
Average power consumption (average from all machines): 23.36 W
Average power savings with tuned enabled: 1.91 W

List of bugs reported:
FRD Bug 47965 - I can't modify brightness with nVidia 1000m Quadro
Bug 713687 - [abrt] kernel: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 67s! 
[modprobe:499] in ath5k_pci_eeprom_read 
Bug 745202 - gnome-shell does not display correctly with NV3x adapters - 
multicolor corruption of panel, Shell-style menus and text [nvfx]
Bug 783715 - Running bluetooth.service makes soft blocked wifi be hard blocked 
after resume from suspend
Bug 784741 - [abrt] kernel: WARNING: at lib/list_debug.c:53 
__list_del_entry+0xa1/0xd0() (
Bug 797559 - [abrt] kernel: WARNING: at fs/sysfs/group.c:138 
sysfs_remove_group+0xfa/0x100()
Bug 807855 - Please add support for our new tuned 2.0
Bug 809294 - SELinux is preventing /usr/bin/python from using the 'signal' 
accesses on a process. I was running: systemctl start tuned.service
Bug 809812 - No brigtness controls in gnome-control-center screen on lenovo x200
Bug 809832 - avc on tuned-adm profile powersave
Bug 809836 - SELinux is preventing tuned from 'execute_no_trans' accesses on 
the file /usr/lib/tuned/balanced/script.sh.
Bug 809837 - SELinux is preventing ls from 'getattr' accesses on the blk_file 
/dev/sdb.
Bug 809838 - SELinux is preventing sysctl from 'getattr' accesses on the file 
/proc/sys/kernel/nmi_watchdog.
Bug 810127 - Brightness level indicator is not shown when changing brightness
Bug 810202 - [abrt] kernel: [809524.902004] kernel BUG at 
drivers/gpu/drm/i915/i915_gem.c:3415! 
Bug 810584 - "Brightness and Lock" window does not show settings for Brightness
Bug 810616 - [HP Elitebook 8460p] Pressing Fn+Brightness control keys has no 
effect 
Bug 811018 - HP Elitebook 8560w can't suspend or hibernate
Bug 813899 - [abrt] kernel: WARNING: at drivers/base/firmware_class.c:538 
_request_firmware+0x488/0x4d0()
Bug 813900 - [abrt] kernel: WARNING: at drivers/base/firmware_class.c:538 
_request_firmware+0x488/0x4d0()
Bug 813904 - SELinux is preventing 
/usr/libexec/gstreamer-0.10/gst-plugin-scanner from 'create' accesses on the 
directory .orc.

49 machines (mostly laptops) seems to be nice number to get us a little
overview how good (or bad) we are doing.

As you probably know we also held this event on-site in Red Hat Brno
office. There was prepared meeting room with internet connection,
various F17 test day live CDs/USBs, USB CD-ROMs, serial cables for
catching kernel backtraces and calibrated Chroma 66202 wattmeter so
attendees was able to precisely measure power consumption of their
machines. We also focused on newcomers. We had there three spare
laptops and newcomers without their own HW could play with Fedora
there. They could also (virtually) attend test day with these machines
to observe that it is really easy task (one of the goal of this event
was to encourage them to attend future test days on their own). I can
say that the event went well, but available capacity (space) was a bit
underestimated - we did not expect such an interest :).

During the event it proved that managing dozens of attendants become
pain with the current test day infrastructure. For newcomers it was
hard to understand how to fill results into wiki (or the concept of
the wiki itself). It was even harder for remotees. Several times we
received plain text reports and we had to transfer them into wiki
ourself. In rush hours there were so many conflicting edits in the
wiki that we had to utilize one people who worked only as a wiki
corrector. I cannot imagine how to handle e.g. double number of
participants with the current system. I think that some more robust
and intuitive system is needed to attract/handle more participants.
If designed the right way it could also simplify evaluation of results
and could give answers to various queries like "what HW worked on
which version of Fedora".

So again many thanks to all attendees and supporters and hope to see
you during F18 PM test day :)

thanks & regards

Jaroslav
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Re: dracut-20-51 - Heads up

2012-07-31 Thread Nils Philippsen
On Mon, 2012-07-09 at 09:44 +0200, Harald Hoyer wrote:

> # for i in 10-console.rules 10-dm.rules 11-dm.rules 13-dm-disk.rules \
>   40-multipath.rules 50-firmware.rules 50-udev-default.rules 50-udev.rules \
>   59-persistent-storage.rules 60-cdrom_id.rules 60-pcmcia.rules \
>   60-persistent-storage.rules 61-dmraid-imsm.rules \
>   61-persistent-storage-edd.rules 61-persistent-storage.rules \
>   64-device-mapper.rules 64-lvm.rules  64-md-raid.rules \
>   65-md-incremental-imsm.rules 71-biosdevname.rules \
>   80-btrfs.rules 80-drivers.rules 95-dm-notify.rules 95-late.rules \
>   95-udev-late.rules ; do [[ -f $i ]] && rm -vf /etc/udev/rules.d/$i; done

This should be "...; do [[ -f /etc/udev/rules.d/$i ]] && ...".

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