Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-03 Thread Dan Mashal
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Peter Jones pjo...@redhat.com wrote:
 On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 04:25:05AM -0800, Dan Mashal wrote:
 I'm sure QA, releng, docs, etc will go with what the community decides.

 Lets have a poll. A very public one.

 On the main website. Not somebody's blog. And let's let the users decide
 what they want.

 Do we have any significant data that even a plurality of our *users* visit
 our main website on a regular - or any - basis?

 I have my doubts that all that many do, much less that we've got data that
 tells us that such a poll would result in meaningful data.

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Why would they when all they see is Gnome Gnome Gnome?

It's much easier to google Fedora 18 DVD or just go to
http://dl.fedoraproject.org

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Re: glpk soname bump expected?

2013-02-03 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sat, 02 Feb 2013 19:54:23 -0700, Orion Poplawski wrote:

 Looks like going from glpk 4.47 to 4.48 bumped the soname from 
 libglpk.so.0 to libglpk.so.33.  Something tells me this was not expected 
 and is not correct.  Can this be verified?
 

Could be an accident in the upstream tarball indeed, because I only
checked that it's not a package where the spec file messes with the
soname and the library links.

rpmsodiff and rpmsoname are helpful for library maintainers!


http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/rpminfo?rpmID=3671777

/usr/lib64/libglpk.so   17
/usr/lib64/libglpk.so.3317
/usr/lib64/libglpk.so.33.0.0978392


http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/rpminfo?rpmID=3220245

/usr/lib64/libglpk.so   17
/usr/lib64/libglpk.so.0 17
/usr/lib64/libglpk.so.0.32.0962056

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Re: Public apology the community

2013-02-03 Thread Jared K. Smith
On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 6:32 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
johan...@gmail.com wrote:
 Last night I let my feelings getting best of me got drunk, went out of line,
 generally behaved dishonorably and in the process disrespected the community
 and the people in it.

Thank you for realizing you had stepped over the line, and issuing a
public apology.  I think that was a very noble thing to do... I know
you get frustrated at times, but if you don't mind some unsolicited
advice from Fedora contributor to another, please try to keep your
comments focused on the technical details of what's wrong or right,
and not on *who* is wrong or right.

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Re: Public apology the community

2013-02-03 Thread Dan Mashal
It takes a brave soul to publicly apologize.

And thank you Jared for the great advice, I feel like I owe one as well but
not in this thread.

Dan

On Sunday, February 3, 2013, Jared K. Smith wrote:

 On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 6:32 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
 johan...@gmail.com javascript:; wrote:
  Last night I let my feelings getting best of me got drunk, went out of
 line,
  generally behaved dishonorably and in the process disrespected the
 community
  and the people in it.

 Thank you for realizing you had stepped over the line, and issuing a
 public apology.  I think that was a very noble thing to do... I know
 you get frustrated at times, but if you don't mind some unsolicited
 advice from Fedora contributor to another, please try to keep your
 comments focused on the technical details of what's wrong or right,
 and not on *who* is wrong or right.

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Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Virtio RNG

2013-02-03 Thread Paolo Bonzini
Il 02/02/2013 14:49, Björn Persson ha scritto:
 Paolo Bonzini wrote:
 If you're talking about RDRAND, it doesn't hand out entropy.  That's
 RDSEED, which will only come with Haswell.

 RDRAND only hands out random numbers.
 
 Huh? Random numbers is pretty much synonymous to entropy in the
 cryptographic language I'm used to.
 
 Ah, according to this:
 http://software.intel.com/en-us/blogs/2012/11/17/the-difference-between-rdrand-and-rdseed
 RDRAND doesn't output random numbers, only pseudorandom numbers. I
 suppose that's what you meant.

Yes, you're right.

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rawhide report: 20130203 changes

2013-02-03 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
Compose started at Sun Feb  3 08:17:07 UTC 2013

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Re: Releasing ownership

2013-02-03 Thread Pavel Alexeev

29.01.2013 10:59, lakshminaras2...@gmail.com wrote:

I am releasing ownership of the following packages due to lack of time

chm2pdf -- A tool to convert CHM files to PDF files


I have taken this one.
Strange, but can't do it for Fedora 17.


emacs-slime -- The superior lisp interaction mode for emacs
gnome-guitar -- A small suite of applications for the guitarist
griffith -- Media collection manager
phatch -- Photo batch processor
python-chm -- Python package for CHM files handling
stow -- Manage the installation of software packages from source
xcftools -- Command-line tools for extracting information from XCF files


xcftools not orphaned.





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Re: rawhide report: 20130203 changes

2013-02-03 Thread Mathieu Bridon

On 02/03/2013 10:25 PM, Fedora Rawhide Report wrote:

Compose started at Sun Feb  3 08:17:07 UTC 2013

Broken deps for x86_64
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[gnome-applets]
1:gnome-applets-3.5.92-3.fc18.x86_64 requires 
libgweather-3.so.1()(64bit)


With the fallback mode being dropped for GNOME 3.8, should this be retired?


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Re: releasing ownership (maintainers/co-maintainers required)

2013-02-03 Thread Pavel Alexeev

29.01.2013 06:51, Richard Shaw wrote:

On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 7:37 PM, Rakesh Pandit rakesh.pan...@gmail.com wrote:

tinyxml -- A simple, small, C++ XML parser

I've requested this one in pkgdb.
It is interesting and small library and there I found tends to bundle it 
in other packages which is not listed as exception:

$ repoquery --whatprovides '*/tinyxml.h' | sort -u
aqsis-debuginfo-0:1.8.2-1.fc18.x86_64
astromenace-debuginfo-0:1.2-17.fc18.x86_64
cal3d-devel-0:0.11.0-13.fc18.i686
cal3d-devel-0:0.11.0-13.fc18.x86_64
clish-debuginfo-0:0.7.3-4.1.i686
clish-debuginfo-0:0.7.3-4.1.x86_64
clish-devel-0:0.7.3-4.1.i686
clish-devel-0:0.7.3-4.1.x86_64
fife-devel-2:0.3.3r3-3.fc18.i686
fife-devel-2:0.3.3r3-3.fc18.x86_64
gource-debuginfo-0:0.38-1.fc18.x86_64
ldview-debuginfo-0:4.2-34.1.i686
ldview-debuginfo-0:4.2-34.1.x86_64
openclonk-debuginfo-0:5.2.2-14.1.i686
openclonk-debuginfo-0:5.2.2-14.1.x86_64
simspark-debuginfo-0:0.2.3-3.fc18.x86_64
tinyxml-devel-0:2.6.1-4.fc18.i686
tinyxml-devel-0:2.6.1-4.fc18.x86_64

I think you should address it, at least fill appropriate bugs for 
corresponded maintainers.


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Re: releasing ownership (maintainers/co-maintainers required)

2013-02-03 Thread Pavel Alexeev

I would like take dvtm and pstreams-devel.

29.01.2013 05:37, Rakesh Pandit wrote:

Hi,

I haven't been able to keep up maintenance of packages for year plus
now and I don't see myself doing that for next 6-7months more. Right
now I am too busy with university course work.

But I will come back and contribute in free time after summers. My
co-maintainers have done wonderful work in taking care of some of
important packages.

I request existing fedora packagers if they can take up these
packages. For packages which already have active co-maintainers
already, you can collaborate with them.

Some of these packages will need lot of work and few are worth even
dropping. As soon as packagers can claim them in this thread I will
drop ownership.

I will keep myself co-maintain for few packages (will request from new owners).

Mayavi -- The Mayavi scientific data 3-dimensional visualizer
acheck -- Check common localisation mistakes
acheck-rules -- Rules for acheck
bunny -- Instrumented C code security fuzzer
code2html -- Convert source code to HTML
coredumper -- Library to create core dumps
cpptest -- A portable and powerful and simple unit testing framework for C++
ctemplate -- A simple but powerful template language for C++
dayplanner -- An easy and clean Day Planner
django-mako -- Mako Templates Plugin for Django
djvulibre -- DjVu viewers, encoders, and utilities
dnrd -- A caching, forwarding DNS proxy server
dvtm -- Tiling window management for the console
enet -- Thin, simple and robust network layer on top of UDP
examiner -- Utility to disassemble and comment foreign executable binaries
flickcurl -- C library for the Flickr API
freeimage -- Multi-format image decoder library
fuse-zip -- Fuse-zip is a fs to navigate, extract, create and modify
ZIP archives
gedit-plugins -- Plugins for gedit
gflags -- Library for commandline flag processing
ginac -- C++ library for symbolic calculations
gnaural -- A multi-platform programmable binaural-beat generator
gnucap -- The Gnu Circuit Analysis Package
jed -- Fast, compact editor based on the S-Lang screen library
libao -- Cross Platform Audio Output Library
libeXosip2 -- A library that hides the complexity of using the SIP protocol
libkml -- A KML library written in C++ with bindings to other languagues
libogg -- The Ogg bitstream file format library
libosip2 -- oSIP is an implementation of SIP
linphone -- Phone anywhere in the whole world by using the Internet
lynis -- Security and system auditing tool
nebula -- Intrusion signature generator
ntop -- A network traffic probe similar to the UNIX top command
octave -- A high-level language for numerical computations
opencv -- Collection of algorithms for computer vision
ortp -- A C library implementing the RTP protocol (RFC3550)
pdf2djvu -- PDF to DjVu converter
perl-Search-Xapian -- Xapian perl bindings
php-markdown -- Markdown implementation in PHP
php-oauth -- PHP Authentication library for desktop to web applications
php-pear-Auth -- Authentication provider for PHP
php-xmpphp -- XMPPHP is the successor to Class.Jabber.PHP
pstreams-devel -- POSIX Process Control in C++
python-AppTools -- Enthough Tool Suite Application Tools
python-EnthoughtBase -- Core package for the Enthought Tool Suite
python-EnvisageCore -- Extensible Application Framework
python-EnvisagePlugins -- Plug-ins for the Envisage framework
python-Traits -- Explicitly typed attributes for Python
python-TraitsBackendQt -- PyQt backend for Traits and TraitsGUI
python-TraitsGUI -- Traits-capable windowing framework
python-durus -- A Python Object Database
python-setupdocs -- Setuptools plugin
ratproxy -- A passive web application security assessment tool
sitecopy -- Tool for easily maintaining remote web sites
stardict-dic-hi -- Hindi dictionary for stardict
svgalib -- Low-level fullscreen SVGA graphics library
taskcoach -- Your friendly task manager
tinyxml -- A simple, small, C++ XML parser
txt2rss -- Convert from txt to rss
unhide -- Tool to find hidden processes and TCP/UDP ports from rootkits
up-imapproxy -- University of Pittsburgh IMAP Proxy
uriparser -- URI parsing library - RFC 3986
xsel -- Command line clipboard and X selection tool
zile -- Zile Is Lossy Emacs


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Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Virtio RNG

2013-02-03 Thread Cole Robinson
On 02/01/2013 04:39 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
 Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) said: 
 Feature owner(s): Cole Robinson crobi...@redhat.com, Amit Shah 
 amit.s...@redhat.com

 Provide a paravirtual random number generator to virtual machines, to 
 prevent 
 entropy starvation in guests.  

 == Detailed description ==
 The linux kernel collects entropy from various non-deterministic hardware 
 events, like mouse and keyboard input, and network traffic. This entropy is 
 then 
 exposed through /dev/random, commonly used by cryptographic applications 
 that 
 need true randomness to maintain security. However if more entropy is being 
 consumed than is being produced, we have entropy starvation: reading from 
 /dev/random will block, which can cause a denial of service. A common 
 example 
 here is use of /dev/random by SSL in various services.

 VirtIO RNG (random number generator) is a paravirtualized device that is 
 exposed as a hardware RNG device to the guest. Virtio RNG just appears as a 
 regular hardware RNG to the guest, which the kernel reads from to fill its 
 entropy pool. This effectively allows a host to inject entropy into a guest 
 via 
 several means: The default mode uses the host's /dev/random, but a physical 
 HW 
 RNG device or EGD (Entropy Gathering Daemon) source can also be used. 
 

Amit can give more authoritative answers, but here's my understanding:

 What exactly feeds /dev/random in the guest in the cases where this doesn't
 exist, 

Same things that feed entropy on a physical machine: VM keyboard + mouse
movement, VM hardware events, etc. The entropy starvation risk isn't much
different for a headless server VM than for a headless server physical
machine, AIUI.

 and how do we cope with this obviously making /dev/random exhaustion
 in the host much more likely? (Other than assume that a HW RNG is in the
 host.)
 

The default mode of pulling from host /dev/random certainly does not scale
unless there's something feeding your host's entropy pool. And this won't be
enabled by default, just new opt in functionality. I think anyone with a
non-trivial setup and need for more entropy in their guests will use this to
share a single hwrng or a more involved setup with EGD.

Peter Krempa, who is implementing the libvirt side of things, had some ideas
about a virt entropy daemon that could do more advanced rate limiting to stave
off entropy exhaustion across hosts/guests:

https://www.redhat.com/archives/libvir-list/2012-December/msg00937.html

 Given FIPS paranoia about RNG sources, does this have knock-on effects in
 the FIPS compliance of guests depending on how it's fed in the host?

No clue about that, I've added that to the comments section of the feature page.

Thanks,
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Corrected license specification of the gprolog package

2013-02-03 Thread Jochen Schmitt
hello,

due a mistake the license tag of the gprolog package specify a wrong
license. The gprolog package should be licensed under the GPLv2+ 
instead of GPLv2.

I have corrected the wrong license specification on all currently
maintained fedora distributions.

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Re: gcc-4.8: error: invalid use of undefined type

2013-02-03 Thread Julian Sikorski
W dniu 02.02.2013 10:55, Orcan Ogetbil pisze:
 On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 4:33 AM, Julian Sikorski wrote:
 Hi,

 I am having issues building mplayer using gcc-4.8. An updated srpm [1]
 builds fine in mock for fedora-18-x86_64-rpmfusion_free target (when
 chain-built with ffmpeg-1.1.1), but on
 fedora-rawhide-x86_64-rpmfusion_free, it fails with the following error:

 libvo/vo_png.c: In function 'config':
 libvo/vo_png.c:135:9: error: invalid use of undefined type 'enum
 AVPixelFormat'
  avctx-pix_fmt = imgfmt2pixfmt(format);
  ^

 Full build log is attached. How do I fix this issue? Thank you in advance.

 
 First, it would be easier to get an answer from the mplayer or ffmpeg
 mailing lists. My second suggestion is to search for the definition of
 that enum (AVPixelFormat) and add an #include to the corresponding
 header file.
 
 Good luck,
 Orcan
 
Problem solved, it was a false alarm.

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Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-03 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Peter Jones pjo...@redhat.com wrote:
 On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 04:25:05AM -0800, Dan Mashal wrote:
 I'm sure QA, releng, docs, etc will go with what the community decides.

 Lets have a poll. A very public one.

 On the main website. Not somebody's blog. And let's let the users decide
 what they want.

 Do we have any significant data that even a plurality of our *users* visit
 our main website on a regular - or any - basis?

 I have my doubts that all that many do, much less that we've got data that
 tells us that such a poll would result in meaningful data.

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Do we have a team dedicated to goals and objectives for the website,
SEO, social media marketing, analytics, key performance indicators,
marketing funnel, all that good stuff?

Fedora used to have Smolt and there are tools to figure out what
packages people use. There's no reason Fedora *can't* be data driven,
but there's a whole lot of business process stuff you'd need to
commit to for it to work without wasting precious energy and hours of
pointless arguments. ;-)

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Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-03 Thread Reindl Harald


Am 03.02.2013 17:50, schrieb M. Edward (Ed) Borasky:
 Fedora used to have Smolt and there are tools to figure out what
 packages people use. There's no reason Fedora *can't* be data driven,
 but there's a whole lot of business process stuff you'd need to
 commit to for it to work without wasting precious energy and hours of
 pointless arguments. ;-)

data like from smolt are useless!

i maintain around 40 fedora-setups which are never touching
any fedora-machine because of internal repos and it is countless
how many machines are often installed with one ISO download



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Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Replace MySQL with MariaDB

2013-02-03 Thread Pavel Alexeev

01.02.2013 00:42, James Hogarth wrote:


Is it?

http://blog.mariadb.org/explanation-on-mariadb-10-0/ and
http://blog.mariadb.org/mariadb-10-0-and-mysql-5-6/ seem to
suggest that MariaDB will no longer be following Mysql as
religiously as the feature suggests



I'd still say yes since the context of this discussion is mysql 5.5 to 
mariadb 5.5 and nothing to do with mysql 5.6 and the time for mariadb 
10/11 to become fully compatible to what's brought to the table in 
that which was the relevant discussion in those blog posts...


And if someone is using upstream themselves they are responsible to 
manage that ... and assuming the versioned obsoletes is used as 
discussed yesterday then there would be no accidental overwrite and 
compatibility if mysql-5.6 is on the system and the admin updated 
without thinking...
Is it really hard maintain both? May be it have worth also package and 
support Percona with XtraDB?


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Re: Releasing ownership

2013-02-03 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sun, 03 Feb 2013 18:32:58 +0400
Pavel Alexeev fo...@hubbitus.com.ru wrote:

 29.01.2013 10:59, lakshminaras2...@gmail.com wrote:
  I am releasing ownership of the following packages due to lack of
  time
 
  chm2pdf -- A tool to convert CHM files to PDF files
 
 I have taken this one.
 Strange, but can't do it for Fedora 17.

It somehow got marked depreciated instead of just orphaned. 

I've fixed it and you should be able to take it now... 

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Re: using rpms for non-root installs

2013-02-03 Thread Pavel Alexeev

Hello.

Yum also may be used with --installroot=root
I have used yum and rpm on that kind with aliases for current user to 
install software from repositories on shared hosting absolutely without 
root privileges.


In most cases it works, except some cases when particular binaries looks 
say own config files by fixed path (/etc/appname/default.conf). In such 
situation you may deep look documentation about config configuration 
options, environment variables and so. As last alternative before start 
patching source code you may also just patch elf binary to replace that 
path by some with the same length (I have done it by compose symlynks 
appropriately).


In any case, it some sort of hacks and depend from you really needs. If 
it intended for other users and predictable reproducible results you 
should patch software to bring them configurability in some way. And 
offer such patches to upstream also will be good idea.


31.01.2013 11:40, Michael Stahnke пишет:

You actually may have an option. It's dirty, and here be dragons. I
know this from working on RPM on AIX, so again, it's hacky. I did this
on a CentOS 6.3 box for my example, should work on Fedora.

You can do something like:

   ls zip-3.0-1.el6.x86_64.rpm
   mkdir $HOME/.myrpm
   cp -pr /var/lib/rpm/* $HOME/.myrpm/
   chown -R $USER  $HOME/.myrpm/
   rpm -Uvh --justdb --dbpath $HOME/.myrpm zip-3.0-1.el6.x86_64.rpm
   rpm2cpio  zip-3.0-1.el6.x86_64.rpm | cpio  -idmv
   rpm -q --dbpath $HOME/.myrpm zip

Results:

[vagrant@localhost ~]$ rpm -q --dbpath /home/vagrant/.myrpm zip
zip-3.0-1.el6.x86_64
[vagrant@localhost ~]$ rpm -q zip
package zip is not installed


You now have zip installed (and rooted) in $HOME.  You'd have to add
the --dbpath option to rpm any time you used it, and it would get out
of sync with the system rpm database unless you wrote some tooling
around that. But it's completely do-able.

Again, it's ugly and I don't recommend it.


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Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-03 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi

On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:

 data like from smolt are useless!

 i maintain around 40 fedora-setups which are never touching
 any fedora-machine because of internal repos and it is countless
 how many machines are often installed with one ISO download


Smolt profiles are not based on ISO downloads or repository connections, so
I am not sure why you bring these up

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Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-03 Thread Rahul Sundaram
 you believe someone starts smolt manually on a clone

 to raise up any statistics? not really!

 fact is you have NO NUMBERS at all for opensource


That is not true.  We have some numbers.  They are not 100% accurate and we
never claim it will be.  You are misleading users by talking about ISO
downloads when noone is counting those.

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Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-03 Thread Reindl Harald


Am 03.02.2013 19:18, schrieb Rahul Sundaram:
 Hi
 
 On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
 
 data like from smolt are useless!
 
 i maintain around 40 fedora-setups which are never touching
 any fedora-machine because of internal repos and it is countless
 how many machines are often installed with one ISO download
 
 
 Smolt profiles are not based on ISO downloads or repository connections, so I 
 am not sure why you bring these up

to show that all this stats are useless?

98% of all machines i maintain are CLONES
virtual ones as also phyical ones

you believe someone starts smolt manually on a clone
to raise up any statistics? not really!

fact is you have NO NUMBERS at all for opensource
you only could have them with spyware - god beware




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Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-03 Thread Pierre-Yves Chibon
On Sun, 2013-02-03 at 17:53 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
 
 Am 03.02.2013 17:50, schrieb M. Edward (Ed) Borasky:
  Fedora used to have Smolt and there are tools to figure out what
  packages people use. There's no reason Fedora *can't* be data driven,
  but there's a whole lot of business process stuff you'd need to
  commit to for it to work without wasting precious energy and hours of
  pointless arguments. ;-)
 
 data like from smolt are useless!

For you maybe, but I have had a discussion at the last FUDCon where
someone actually said it was useful to him.
Please avoid generalization.

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Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-03 Thread Reindl Harald


Am 03.02.2013 20:22, schrieb Pierre-Yves Chibon:
 On Sun, 2013-02-03 at 17:53 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:

 Am 03.02.2013 17:50, schrieb M. Edward (Ed) Borasky:
 Fedora used to have Smolt and there are tools to figure out what
 packages people use. There's no reason Fedora *can't* be data driven,
 but there's a whole lot of business process stuff you'd need to
 commit to for it to work without wasting precious energy and hours of
 pointless arguments. ;-)

 data like from smolt are useless!
 
 For you maybe, but I have had a discussion at the last FUDCon where
 someone actually said it was useful to him.
 Please avoid generalization.

useful to count what?

you need users ACTIVELY use it
you need users ACTIVELY use it after dist-upgrades

the only thing smolt stats are showing is that someone
used something with no reference if he still use the
same after a year - these numbers does not prove anything



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Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-03 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi

On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:

 useful to count what?

 you need users ACTIVELY use it
 you need users ACTIVELY use it after dist-upgrades


This isn't  true.  There is a cron job that continues to keep the profile
updated



 the only thing smolt stats are showing is that someone
 used something with no reference if he still use the
 same after a year - these numbers does not prove anything


We aren't looking for proof or 100% reliable numbers as much as observing
some general trends because that's the best we can do without violating the
privacy of users.

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Re: rawhide report: 20130203 changes

2013-02-03 Thread Kevin Fenzi
Misc stuff: 

[bootconf] - was deprecated without properly blocking. Filed:
https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5466 to have it blocked. 

[epiphany-extensions] - still needs blocking/EOL
See bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=875234

[ghc-wai-extra] - still needs some new packages to land. 
ghc-searchstring - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=885348 (done)
ghc-wai-logger - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=885349 (in review)
ghc-data-cache - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=885350 (in review)
ghc-byte-logger - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=894558 (new)

[mysql] - fallout from MariaDB landing? 

[eclipse-linuxtools] - This will never work. kernel-debuginfo doesn't
really exist anywhere. Needs maintainer help. 

[spacewalk-web] - Nothing provides perl(Spacewalk::Setup)

[rubygem-net-ping] - Nothing provides  rubygem(net-ldap)  0:0.3

[mygui] - Nothing provides libCommon.so() anymore

[root] - needs gfal fixed. 

Rebuilt by me: 

4ti2
bibletime
springlobby
leechcraft
gearbox
mapnik
octave

Failed scratch builds: 

compat-gcc-34 - http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=4925378
couchdb - http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=4925381
dragonegg - http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=4925384
fawkes - http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=4925393
fcitx-keyboard - http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=4925395
flowcanvas - http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=4925397
frysk - http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=4925402
gcc-python-plugin - http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=4925404
gdcm - http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=4925409
gfal - http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=4925413
gnome-applets - http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=4925421
libextractor - http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=4925429
libgda - http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=4925432
maliit-plugins - http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=4925433
matreshka - http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=4925443
media-explorer - http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=4925446
meshmagic - http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=4925448
mingw-qpid-cpp - http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=4925454
mumble - http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=4925456
openttd - http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=4925470
plplot - http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=4925473
ppl - http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=4925476
pyicu - http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=4925477
rygel - http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=4925487
scala - http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=4925492
tex-musitex - http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=4925499
the-board - http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=4925500
vfrnav - http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=4925504

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Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-02-03 Thread Pavel Alexeev

01.02.2013 00:17, drago01 wrote:

On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 8:10 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:

On Thu, 2013-01-31 at 14:20 +0100, Robert Mayr wrote:


I think that's not the point, one of the two suites will be dominant
and you can't provide both of them on a live image for example.
LibreOffice was introduced to our live images and we hit target 1GB,
do you really think it could be useful having a larger image just
because you want to provide both of the office suites?

The proposal explicitly says that it doesn't envisage including OO on
any images or in any default install configurations, simply adding it as
an option in the package repositories.

Which doesn't really need a FESCo approval ... just a package review.
Meantime there one sentence which optionally require changes in 
LibreOffice too:  The /usr/bin/soffice alias is still a problem since 
(in the Fedora packages) it would conflict between LibreOffice and 
Apache OpenOffice: it is recommended to fix it in the LibreOffice 
packages too, at least using the Alternatives system.


I think it should be approved first if it really required.
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Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-02-03 Thread Pavel Alexeev

01.02.2013 17:38, Matej Cepl wrote:

On 2013-01-31, 22:07 GMT, Chris Adams wrote:

I'm not saying having both is a bad thing, but I would like to think
that there's some thought given to does Fedora gain from having both,
since there is a cost involved.

We don’t (unfortunately?) have policy to stop somebody from packaging
whatever they want (if it satisfies Fedora packaging policy).

Unfortunately? Isn't it is freedom really?


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Re: Releasing ownership

2013-02-03 Thread Pavel Alexeev


03.02.2013 21:48, Kevin Fenzi wrote:

On Sun, 03 Feb 2013 18:32:58 +0400
Pavel Alexeev fo...@hubbitus.com.ru wrote:


29.01.2013 10:59, lakshminaras2...@gmail.com wrote:

I am releasing ownership of the following packages due to lack of
time

chm2pdf -- A tool to convert CHM files to PDF files


I have taken this one.
Strange, but can't do it for Fedora 17.

It somehow got marked depreciated instead of just orphaned.

I've fixed it and you should be able to take it now...

Thank you. I have taken it too.


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Re: Proposed F19 Feature: libkkc - a new Japanese Kana Kanji input library

2013-02-03 Thread Mamoru TASAKA

Jaroslav Reznik wrote, at 01/28/2013 08:27 PM +9:00:

= Features/libkkc =
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/libkkc

Feature owner(s):  Daiki Ueno ueno at gnu.org

libkkc, a new Japanese Kana Kanji input library, will be available in Fedora
19, along with an IBus input method engine which uses libkkc as backend (ibus-
kkc).



Hello, Ueno-san:

I tried ibus-kkc and it seems to be working to a certain degree.
So does this Feature mean that the default input method (for Japanese)
will be changed from ibus-anthy to ibus-kkc? If so, I think it is better
that wiki page explicitly suggest so.

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Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-02-03 Thread Peter Boy
Hi Martin, 


Am Donnerstag, den 31.01.2013, 13:28 +0100 schrieb Martin Sourada:
 Also, since Apache took over OpenOffice.org and put it out of
 incubation, it seems the development has been progressing rather well
 and in a different direction than LibreOffice. While both started from
 the same point, they're going to be different office suites with
 different feature sets, different UIs, different devs, etc.
 

I hope it's not to far OT: Could you give a link about the (future)
differences between OO and LO (besides the Symphony donation / Symphony
UI), especially the different feature set? 

I tried Google hard but couldn't find distinctive information. 

By the way: As I learnt on Linux Day last year, LibreOffice still
depends on OpenOffice and is in the process to rebase their code to
OpenOffice 3.4 (or something alike). So I'm wondering about different
set of features. 

Thanks
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Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-02-03 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Mon, Feb 04, 2013 at 12:15:43AM +0400, Pavel Alexeev wrote:
 01.02.2013 00:17, drago01 wrote:
 
 On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 8:10 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com 
 wrote:
 
 On Thu, 2013-01-31 at 14:20 +0100, Robert Mayr wrote:
 
 
 I think that's not the point, one of the two suites will be 
 dominant
 and you can't provide both of them on a live image for example.
 LibreOffice was introduced to our live images and we hit target 
 1GB,
 do you really think it could be useful having a larger image just
 because you want to provide both of the office suites?
 
 The proposal explicitly says that it doesn't envisage including OO on
 any images or in any default install configurations, simply adding it 
 as
 an option in the package repositories.
 
 Which doesn't really need a FESCo approval ... just a package review.
 
 Meantime there one sentence which optionally require changes in LibreOffice
 too:  The /usr/bin/soffice alias is still a problem since (in the Fedora
 packages) it would conflict between LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice: it is
 recommended to fix it in the LibreOffice packages too, at least using the
 Alternatives system.
 
 I think it should be approved first if it really required.

alternatives is the wrong technology for end user facing applications.
Why can't our apache openoffice package rename /usr/bin/soffice?

-Toshio


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Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-02-03 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 3 February 2013 19:04, Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.com wrote:

 I think it should be approved first if it really required.

 alternatives is the wrong technology for end user facing applications.
 Why can't our apache openoffice package rename /usr/bin/soffice?


My understanding is that /usr/bin/soffice is a symlink in order to
keep backwards maintainability. Personally I say both packages drop it
because star office is s 1999. :)

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Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-02-03 Thread ニール・ゴンパ
On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 8:04 PM, Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, Feb 04, 2013 at 12:15:43AM +0400, Pavel Alexeev wrote:
  01.02.2013 00:17, drago01 wrote:
 
  On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 8:10 PM, Adam Williamson 
 awill...@redhat.com wrote:
 
  On Thu, 2013-01-31 at 14:20 +0100, Robert Mayr wrote:
 
 
  I think that's not the point, one of the two suites will be
 dominant
  and you can't provide both of them on a live image for
 example.
  LibreOffice was introduced to our live images and we hit
 target 1GB,
  do you really think it could be useful having a larger image
 just
  because you want to provide both of the office suites?
 
  The proposal explicitly says that it doesn't envisage including
 OO on
  any images or in any default install configurations, simply
 adding it as
  an option in the package repositories.
 
  Which doesn't really need a FESCo approval ... just a package review.
 
  Meantime there one sentence which optionally require changes in
 LibreOffice
  too:  The /usr/bin/soffice alias is still a problem since (in the Fedora
  packages) it would conflict between LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice:
 it is
  recommended to fix it in the LibreOffice packages too, at least using the
  Alternatives system.
 
  I think it should be approved first if it really required.

 alternatives is the wrong technology for end user facing applications.
 Why can't our apache openoffice package rename /usr/bin/soffice?

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Why not LibreOffice? It doesn't make a lot of sense to retain the soffice
binary name for LibreOffice anyway. Besides, I think LibreOffice would be
more amenable to a permanent binary name change than Apache OpenOffice.
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Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-02-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
Bruno Wolff III wrote:
 Note that this doesn't fix problems caused by dropped packages, that block
 other packages from being updated.

That's a problem for all upgrade methods, they might leave your system with 
broken dependencies instead of erroring out, but in the end the problem is 
always there. It's not solvable as long as we're as happy to drop packages 
as we are now, rather than keeping them working by rebuilding them even if 
there's no active maintainer.

 One possiblity here would be to create a special package that obsoletes
 all of the dropped packages from the last release (or two depending on how
 far back you want to yum update from).

Please no! Many of those packages keep working just fine. And where not, 
it's better to get a clear error message and to remove the offending 
packages manually and explicitly than to have the upgrade silently (well, 
with a one-line notice buried under many other lines of text) removing a 
package one may be depending on!

 There are going to be some releases where you need to do things outside of
 yum to upgrade.

Then that's a problem with the feature which requires you to do that, and 
should be a showstopper! (Yes, I think UsrMove should not have been 
allowed.)

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Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-02-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
Lennart Poettering wrote:
 The thing is that doing on-line updates only works for stuff you can
 restart, and that doesn't mind that things are not atomically
 updated. However, much (most?) of our code isn't like that. Anybody who
 tried to update the Firefox RPM while it is running knows that this
 doesn't end well, and you frequently have to manually kill firefox to
 get it back into a usual state.

Strawman alert!

Who ever said that this feature is about online upgrades? Even the 
Upgrading Fedora using yum wiki page clearly says that upgrades should be 
done in runlevel 3 (multi-user.target), not in runlevel 5 
(graphical.target).

The point of using yum to upgrade is not to do it in a running user session, 
but to use the same frequently-tested code paths as for normal updates 
rather than a special distro-upgrade-only one where half of the 
functionality has to be reimplemented differently (see e.g. FedUp not 
supporting something as basic as signature checks; why do we even bother 
signing our packages if we're happy to deliver an official and 
recommended upgrade method which won't even bother checking them?).

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Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-02-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
Lennart Poettering wrote:
 Ah, so you have to reboot anyway, so where is the difference between
 your approach and proper offline updates then? Either way you have to
 interrupt your work to reboot the machine. One just takes a slight bit
 longer for rebooting...

That yum is tested every day and known to work, whereas FedUp is 
experimental and incomplete (no signature checking) code.

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Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-02-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
 = Features/FedoraUpgrade =
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/FedoraUpgrade
 
 Feature owner(s):  Miroslav Suchý msu...@redhat.com
 
 Upgrade Fedora to next version using yum upgrade.

I agree this should be officially supported, but:

 I propose to have FedUp and FedoraUpgrade in Fedora 19.

not using that FedoraUpgrade script. Sorry, but IMHO, that script causes 
more problems than it solves.

For one, it's a one step approach, whereas the IMHO nicest solution, which 
is IMHO the best compromise between safety and minimum downtime, and which 
also works if you don't have working networking outside of user sessions (NM 
user connection), is the following:
yum --releasever=n+1 --downloadonly distro-sync
telinit 3
yum --releasever=n+1 -C distro-sync
which cannot be done in a single script (the telinit would kill the script 
if it's run from the graphical session). (And sorry Lennart for using 
telinit 3 rather than whatever the native systemd equivalent is. ;-) )

In addition, not all the things the script does are strictly required and 
wanted by all users, and finally, I don't think the steps are so tedious as 
to deserve automation.

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Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-02-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
drago01 wrote:
 And the major issue with yum upgrades is that online upgrades can fail
 not only based on what you have installed but also what is currently
 running and it cannot handle stuff like usermove without user
 intervention.

1. That's a problem with UsrMove, not with yum!
2. UsrMove CAN be done online, e.g. with a C program (which won't care if 
you move ld.so under it after it's already in memory), or – with some 
trickery – even in shell. It was an explicit decision to require that 
useless dracut step.

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Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-02-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
drago01 wrote:
 I doubt that you can install all packages without hitting conflicts.

That just shows again how Conflicts are evil and how we're way too tolerant 
about them. There should be NO conflicting packages in the official 
repositories.

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Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-02-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
 Users are better of keeping /home on a separated partition and re-use it
 with an fresh install then those poor attempts to support upgrades one
 way or another which at this point in time we cant do since the bits for
 that aren't properly aligned to make that happen...

Reinstalling all the time is a no go.

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Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Replace MySQL with MariaDB

2013-02-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
 If the current maintainers orphan mysql anyone can pick it up including
 Oracle employees and continue it's maintenance within the distribution.
 
 Any beef, competition or what not between Red Hat and Oracle ( or anyone
 else for that matter ) is between Red Hat and Oracle not Fedora and I
 cant imagine FESCO/Board standing in the way of Oracle wanting to
 packaging and maintain anything in the distribution unless it breaks
 some legal jargon just like everyone else.

But the fact that the packages conflict should stand in the way.

I don't see how having 2 packages which are drop-in replacements of each 
other and ship conflicting files (requiring the packages to Conflict with 
each other at RPM level) is helpful in any way. We already have too many 
Conflicts in the repository.

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Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Replace MySQL with MariaDB

2013-02-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
Remi Collet wrote:
 - if you don't like fork of MySQL, why do you fork other projects ?
 MW include a forked version of vsqlite++
 (and AFAIK, upstream is not aware of your changes / need)

Another project Oracle effectively forked in OpenOffice.org, by refusing to 
donate the OpenOffice.org trademark to the LibreOffice project that had 
formed (with basically all the non-Oracle OpenOffice.org contributors), but 
donating the whole thing to Apache instead (who sadly accepted that poisoned 
donation).

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Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Replace MySQL with MariaDB

2013-02-03 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi


 But the fact that the packages conflict should stand in the way.


We don't have any guidelines that forbids it.


 I don't see how having 2 packages which are drop-in replacements of each
 other and ship conflicting files (requiring the packages to Conflict with
 each other at RPM level) is helpful in any way. We already have too many
 Conflicts in the repository.


Do you have a proposal to solve it other than excluding all possible
alternative implementations? If so, you should post it and let FPC vote on
it.

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Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-02-03 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Stephen John Smoogen smo...@gmail.com said:
 My understanding is that /usr/bin/soffice is a symlink in order to
 keep backwards maintainability. Personally I say both packages drop it
 because star office is s 1999. :)

There's more than just soffice:

$ rpm -ql libreoffice-core | grep bin/ | xargs ls -ld
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 362 Dec  6 18:37 /usr/bin/libreoffice
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root  32 Dec  6 18:37 /usr/bin/ooffice
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root  39 Dec  6 18:37 /usr/bin/ooviewdoc
lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root  11 Jan  9 12:46 /usr/bin/openoffice.org - libreoffice
lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root  38 Jan  9 12:46 /usr/bin/soffice - 
/usr/lib64/libreoffice/program/soffice
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 360 Dec  6 18:37 /usr/bin/unopkg

I expect that AOO would want oofice, ooviewdoc, and openoffice.org.  I
don't know what unopkg is.
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Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
 I love GNOME 3 and detest KDE 4. I've tried MATE and Cinnamon on both
 Linux Mint and Fedora and don't really see the point of either of them
 as long as GNOME 3 offers fallback mode.

Fallback mode is going away in F19, it's already gone upstream.

 When you come right down to it, nearly all Linux desktops can be
 easily customized to provide a Windows-like workflow (menu at lower
 left, panel at bottom) or a Mac-like workflow (menu at upper left,
 panel at top). All the major Linux desktops can do this. I've even
 done this with OpenBox and fbpanel.

I don't think that'd be suitable for end users at all.

 You *do* need a good terminal app - I'd pick gnome-terminal over
 konsole or lxterminal or the XFCE terminal if I had a choice but I
 could live with any of them. Xterm is even acceptable if you have a
 3-button mouse. ;-) But other than that, an awful lot of the
 innovation in Linux desktops seems to me to be wasted effort.

End users are NOT terminal junkies. :-)

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Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
Eric Smith wrote:

 On 01/28/2013 08:47 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
 I think switching the desktop that has been our default for over 10
 years and 18 releases requires just a bit more research and reason
 than that. ~m
 
 I don't disagree with the more research and reason part, but the
 current default desktop has only been our default for four releases,
 F15 through F18.  I don't recall any serious research and reason
 having been involved in the switch that occurred when F15 was being
 developed.  As far as I can tell, it was just thrust upon us without
 much consideration as to whether it was good, bad, or indifferent.  My
 proposal is at least only that, a proposal, and is not being thrust upon
 anyone without discussion and ultimately a vote.

+1, what is the default now is a very different (and much less popular) 
beast from what had been the default for over 10 years.

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Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
Sandro Mani wrote:
 Can't we simply re-organize the fedoraproject website in such way that the
 download button points to something similar to the current More options
 page, maybe with a small description for each desktop like easy to use /
 feature rich and customizable / based on the traditional desktop / etc
 and possibly sorted by popularity, i.e. number of downloads?

+1, I've been asking for that ever since the get-fedora redesign and the 
introduction of that misguided direct link to the wrong ISO (GNOME-only and 
32-bit-only).

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Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
Matthias Clasen wrote:
 - Cinnamon started out as 'using GNOME components', but it is [now] a full
 fork of mutter, gnome-shell and nautilus, at least, and bug-fixes are not
 going either way...

Those are applications which form the workspace, not random components. 
I'm fairly sure that when they speak about reusing GNOME components, they 
really mean the libraries and the standalone applications, not the 
workspace.

(For those familiar with KDE, what they're forking is only the GNOME 
equivalent of kde-workspace and not all the other components of GNOME.)

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Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
Adam Williamson wrote:
 2. Can't we just not have a default?
 
 Not really. Others have touched on this, but the websites team really
 wants the simplicity of a straightforward 'Download' link that gets you
 a live image, and that pretty much requires a default desktop.

And just because the websites team wants that nonsense, we have to keep 
it? Seriously? That one-click download is utter nonsense: No matter what you 
pick, it will always be the wrong thing for many people. The step to 
actually pick the correct download cannot be skipped.

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Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
 = Features/Cinnamon as Default Desktop =
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Cinnamon_as_Default_Desktop
 
 Feature owner(s): Eric Smith e...@brouhaha.com
 
 This feature proposes that Fedora switch the default desktop interface
 from Gnome 3 to Cinnamon. Cinnamon provides a desktop interface that is
 more familiar to Windows and Gnome 2 users than the standard Gnome Shell
 interface, while being built from Gnome 3 components.

So my feelings about this are mixed: While:
* I disagree about the need for a default, or at least about emphasizing the
  default as much as we do now (direct ISO link etc.),
* I think KDE Plasma Desktop would be the better default (see also
  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/KDE_Plasma_Desktop_by_default ,
  which I had proposed for Fedora 16, but which got summarily rejected due
  to lack of endorsement by the rest of KDE SIG),
I support this feature anyway, just because it is not GNOME 3 ;-) , or more 
accurately, because it is about defaulting to a more traditional desktop 
than the very unconventional gnome-shell.

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Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-02-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
Kevin Fenzi wrote:
 Because the current mysql maintainers are keeping it around for f19 as
 an option and others have expressed interest in taking over maintaining
 it.

Do we really have to do this? Having 2 conflicting packages which are drop-
in replacements of each other in the repository is just useless!

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Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-02-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
Martin Sourada wrote:
 and supposedly AOO is rather popular, though I don't have any hard
 numbers, just a hearsay

Apache OpenOffice is popular because some people missed the LibreOffice 
rename and don't realize they're actually using an inferior fork when they 
download OpenOffice.

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Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-02-03 Thread David Tardon
Hi,

On Sun, Feb 03, 2013 at 11:26:35PM -0600, Chris Adams wrote:
 Once upon a time, Stephen John Smoogen smo...@gmail.com said:
  My understanding is that /usr/bin/soffice is a symlink in order to
  keep backwards maintainability. Personally I say both packages drop it
  because star office is s 1999. :)
 
 There's more than just soffice:
 
 $ rpm -ql libreoffice-core | grep bin/ | xargs ls -ld
 -rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 362 Dec  6 18:37 /usr/bin/libreoffice
 -rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root  32 Dec  6 18:37 /usr/bin/ooffice
 -rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root  39 Dec  6 18:37 /usr/bin/ooviewdoc
 lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root  11 Jan  9 12:46 /usr/bin/openoffice.org - 
 libreoffice
 lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root  38 Jan  9 12:46 /usr/bin/soffice - 
 /usr/lib64/libreoffice/program/soffice
 -rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 360 Dec  6 18:37 /usr/bin/unopkg

There is also /usr/bin/oowriter, oocalc, ooimpress, oodraw and oobase
that belong to other libreoffice-* subpackages.

 
 I expect that AOO would want oofice, ooviewdoc, and openoffice.org.  I
 don't know what unopkg is.

unopkg is a standalone tool for managing extensions. It can be used from
command line (e.g., unopkg list --bundled) or as GUI (unopkg gui).

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Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-02-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
Matej Cepl wrote:
 We don’t (unfortunately?) have policy to stop somebody from packaging
 whatever they want (if it satisfies Fedora packaging policy).

FESCo can explicitly veto a package or category of packages, see kernel 
modules. Why would it not be possible to ban forks of LibreOffice by FESCo 
decision?

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Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-02-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
 = Features/ApacheOpenOffice =
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ApacheOpenOffice
 
 Feature owner(s): Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org
 
 Add Apache OpenOffice, the free productivity suite, to Fedora.

A big -1 to this feature, and in fact I'd urge FESCo to veto that package 
outright (or if it somehow already made it into Fedora, to get it blocked in 
Koji and Obsoleted by libreoffice ASAP).

Rationale:
* What benefit does this package have over LibreOffice, to justify carrying
  2 packages doing essentially the same thing?
* OpenOffice is a huge package and a big strain on our build system (Koji);
  IMHO, having 2 versions of it would be a gigantic waste of resources.
* LibreOffice is clearly the community version to be preferred:
  - All major distros support it.
  - Red Hat people work on it.
  - AFAIK, it has more features.
  whereas Apache OpenOffice is the fork Oracle created to remove control
  over the project from the community, after Oracle had refused for months
  to cooperate with the community (and for those months, LibreOffice had
  been the only version being developed at all). (I consider it a big
  mistake on the part of Apache to have accepted that trojan horse
  donation. They should have pointed Oracle to the existing LibreOffice
  project instead. I really don't see why OpenOffice.org had to be donated
  to Apache when basically all the existing non-Oracle developers were
  involved in LibreOffice instead and when all that was needed was assigning
  the OpenOffice trademark to them.)

PS: I wonder if there's any connection between this feature and the MariaDB
feature (or rather, Oracle's negative response to it).

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Re: using rpms for non-root installs

2013-02-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
Mátyás Selmeci wrote:
 This may be a long shot, but I am interested in repackaging some
 RPMs (for example, some of the Globus packages in EPEL, as well as
 grid software that my group builds) such that the software in them
 may be installed by unprivileged users, or into a non-standard
 location such as an NFS share. I'd like to use existing RPMs,
 preferably binaries, as a starting point to avoid duplicating work.
 (Naturally a lot of post-install scripting would be needed to fix
 binaries such that they'd work with the path they were installed
 into).

For the unprivileged users part, it is possible for the admin to give out 
the org.freedesktop.packagekit.package-install PolicyKit permission, then 
users can install (but not remove) trusted packages (packages signed with 
GPG keys already known to the system) systemwide using gnome-packagekit or 
Apper. But of course, there are drawbacks to that, which is why it's not the 
default (in fact, it had been the default for a short moment in Fedora 12 
and got dropped due to user uproar), and so admins will generally not enable 
that, unfortunately. :-( In addition, it also only works for third-party 
repositories if the admin imported the key for them, and at that point he 
might as well install the packages, too. (There's also an 
org.freedesktop.packagekit.package-install-untrusted permission, but as an 
admin, you'd have to be insane to give that permission to your users, it's 
essentially the same as giving them root access, because they can craft any 
package running any arbitrary code and install it with that permission.) So 
in your case, it's not all that helpful, unfortunately. But I still wanted 
to point out the possibility.

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Re: Command line arguments depend on locale

2013-02-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
 You should *always* set LC_ALL=C when running an external command from
 another program (and most probably from a shell script too).

I think LC_NUMERIC is probably what's wanted in this case, not LC_ALL.

Still, command-line arguments depending on LC_NUMERIC (or worse, 
LC_MESSAGES, which would be entirely the wrong setting to key this off) is 
very broken.

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Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Replace MySQL with MariaDB

2013-02-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
 Do you have a proposal to solve it other than excluding all possible
 alternative implementations? If so, you should post it and let FPC vote on
 it.

For a starter, I propose excluding all new uses of Conflicts (except with
 someEVR versioning where an EVR = someEVR is already available in the 
repository, or if the item being conflicted with is not in Fedora), and 
trying to get the existing ones fixed in a reasonable timeframe.

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Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
I wrote:

 Sandro Mani wrote:
 Can't we simply re-organize the fedoraproject website in such way that
 the download button points to something similar to the current More
 options page, maybe with a small description for each desktop like easy
 to use / feature rich and customizable / based on the traditional
 desktop / etc and possibly sorted by popularity, i.e. number of
 downloads?
 
 +1, I've been asking for that ever since the get-fedora redesign and the
 introduction of that misguided direct link to the wrong ISO (GNOME-only
 and 32-bit-only).

PS: It's actually 64-bit-only now, but that doesn't solve the issue, it'll 
just be wrong for a different category of users. Whatever you pick, it's 
always wrong for somebody, which is why bypassing the choice of ISO doesn't 
make any sense whatsoever.

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Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-02-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
David Tardon wrote:

 Hi,
 
 On Sun, Feb 03, 2013 at 11:26:35PM -0600, Chris Adams wrote:
 Once upon a time, Stephen John Smoogen smo...@gmail.com said:
  My understanding is that /usr/bin/soffice is a symlink in order to
  keep backwards maintainability. Personally I say both packages drop it
  because star office is s 1999. :)
 
 There's more than just soffice:
 
 $ rpm -ql libreoffice-core | grep bin/ | xargs ls -ld
 -rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 362 Dec  6 18:37 /usr/bin/libreoffice
 -rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root  32 Dec  6 18:37 /usr/bin/ooffice
 -rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root  39 Dec  6 18:37 /usr/bin/ooviewdoc
 lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root  11 Jan  9 12:46 /usr/bin/openoffice.org -
 libreoffice
 lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root  38 Jan  9 12:46 /usr/bin/soffice -
 /usr/lib64/libreoffice/program/soffice
 -rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 360 Dec  6 18:37 /usr/bin/unopkg
 
 There is also /usr/bin/oowriter, oocalc, ooimpress, oodraw and oobase
 that belong to other libreoffice-* subpackages.

Ugh. That's just one more reason to not allow the Apache fork to be 
packaged.

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Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-02-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
PPS: Oh, and this:
 The /usr/bin/soffice alias is still a problem since (in the Fedora
 packages) it would conflict between LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice: it
 is recommended to fix it in the LibreOffice packages too, at least using
 the Alternatives system.
is just not acceptable. Alternatives is the wrong solution for this (in 
fact, I'd argue it's always the wrong solution), because it is systemwide. 
Why can't you just rename or delete /usr/bin/soffice?

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Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Replace MySQL with MariaDB

2013-02-03 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi

On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 2:31 AM, Kevin Kofler  wrote:


 For a starter, I propose excluding all new uses of Conflicts (except with
  someEVR versioning where an EVR = someEVR is already available in the
 repository, or if the item being conflicted with is not in Fedora), and
 trying to get the existing ones fixed in a reasonable timeframe.


You are putting the cart before the horse.  You have to demonstrate its
feasible to fix them before excluding future uses.   I don't see how it is
possible to fix the entire distribution to never use conflicts.

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Re: polkit changes in f19

2013-02-03 Thread Kevin Kofler
Matthias Clasen wrote:
 I just realized that there is a change to the way polkit is packaged in
 f19 that spin maintainers should be aware of: the polkit package is just
 the service, which only provides the default policy as specified in the
 action definitions now. If you want or need support for js rules, you need
 to pull in the polkit-js-engine package. I've just made this change for
 the desktop spin.

I added the dependency to kde-settings, which ships a .rules file.

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[Bug 907121] New: perl-App-cpanminus-1.5021 is available

2013-02-03 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=907121

Bug ID: 907121
   Summary: perl-App-cpanminus-1.5021 is available
   Product: Fedora
   Version: rawhide
 Component: perl-App-cpanminus
  Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged
  Severity: unspecified
  Priority: unspecified
  Reporter: upstream-release-monitor...@fedoraproject.org

Latest upstream release: 1.5021
Current version in Fedora Rawhide: 1.5019
URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/App-cpanminus/

Please consult the package updates policy before you issue an update to a
stable branch: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Updates_Policy

More information about the service that created this bug can be found at:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upstream_release_monitoring

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[Bug 904756] perl-Filesys-Notify-Simple-0.10 is available

2013-02-03 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=904756

Upstream Release Monitoring upstream-release-monitor...@fedoraproject.org 
changed:

   What|Removed |Added

Summary|perl-Filesys-Notify-Simple- |perl-Filesys-Notify-Simple-
   |0.09 is available   |0.10 is available

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Latest upstream release: 0.10
Current version in Fedora Rawhide: 0.08
URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/Filesys-Notify-Simple/

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stable branch: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Updates_Policy

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[Bug 907122] New: perl-PathTools-3.40 is available

2013-02-03 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=907122

Bug ID: 907122
   Summary: perl-PathTools-3.40 is available
   Product: Fedora
   Version: rawhide
 Component: perl-PathTools
  Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged
  Severity: unspecified
  Priority: unspecified
  Reporter: upstream-release-monitor...@fedoraproject.org

Latest upstream release: 3.40
Current version in Fedora Rawhide: 3.39.01
URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/PathTools/

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[Bug 907123] New: perl-PPIx-Regexp-0.031 is available

2013-02-03 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=907123

Bug ID: 907123
   Summary: perl-PPIx-Regexp-0.031 is available
   Product: Fedora
   Version: rawhide
 Component: perl-PPIx-Regexp
  Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged
  Severity: unspecified
  Priority: unspecified
  Reporter: upstream-release-monitor...@fedoraproject.org

Latest upstream release: 0.031
Current version in Fedora Rawhide: 0.030
URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/PPIx-Regexp/

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[Bug 907124] New: perl-Regexp-Grammars-1.026 is available

2013-02-03 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=907124

Bug ID: 907124
   Summary: perl-Regexp-Grammars-1.026 is available
   Product: Fedora
   Version: rawhide
 Component: perl-Regexp-Grammars
  Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged
  Severity: unspecified
  Priority: unspecified
  Reporter: upstream-release-monitor...@fedoraproject.org

Latest upstream release: 1.026
Current version in Fedora Rawhide: 1.021
URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/Regexp-Grammars/

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[Bug 907125] New: perl-Rose-DB-Object-0.804 is available

2013-02-03 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=907125

Bug ID: 907125
   Summary: perl-Rose-DB-Object-0.804 is available
   Product: Fedora
   Version: rawhide
 Component: perl-Rose-DB-Object
  Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged
  Severity: unspecified
  Priority: unspecified
  Reporter: upstream-release-monitor...@fedoraproject.org

Latest upstream release: 0.804
Current version in Fedora Rawhide: 0.803
URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/Rose-DB-Object/

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[Bug 907126] New: perl-Text-VimColor-0.23 is available

2013-02-03 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=907126

Bug ID: 907126
   Summary: perl-Text-VimColor-0.23 is available
   Product: Fedora
   Version: rawhide
 Component: perl-Text-VimColor
  Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged
  Severity: unspecified
  Priority: unspecified
  Reporter: upstream-release-monitor...@fedoraproject.org

Latest upstream release: 0.23
Current version in Fedora Rawhide: 0.22
URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/Text-VimColor/

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Broken dependencies: perl-OpenOffice-UNO

2013-02-03 Thread buildsys


perl-OpenOffice-UNO has broken dependencies in the rawhide tree:
On i386:
perl-OpenOffice-UNO-0.07-6.fc19.i686 requires libstlport_gcc.so
Please resolve this as soon as possible.


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[perl-DBIx-Class/f18] (6 commits) ...loosen some overly restrictive build dependencies

2013-02-03 Thread Iain Arnell
Summary of changes:

  57404a7... update to 0.08200 (*)
  d40b512... update to 0.08203 (*)
  a729994... update to 0.08205 (*)
  c9f6e24... explicitly provide DBIx::Class::Carp (*)
  b1cc07d... rebuild without bootstrap again (*)
  d724109... loosen some overly restrictive build dependencies

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[perl-DBIx-Class/f18: 6/6] loosen some overly restrictive build dependencies

2013-02-03 Thread Iain Arnell
commit d7241096d512422fb5d946c920a83c2350708bce
Author: Iain Arnell iarn...@gmail.com
Date:   Sun Feb 3 08:56:26 2013 -0700

loosen some overly restrictive build dependencies

 perl-DBIx-Class.spec |   25 ++---
 1 files changed, 10 insertions(+), 15 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/perl-DBIx-Class.spec b/perl-DBIx-Class.spec
index 30f6c07..601e070 100644
--- a/perl-DBIx-Class.spec
+++ b/perl-DBIx-Class.spec
@@ -1,7 +1,7 @@
 Name:   perl-DBIx-Class
 Summary:Extensible and flexible object - relational mapper
 Version:0.08205
-Release:3%{?dist}
+Release:1%{?dist}
 License:GPL+ or Artistic
 Group:  Development/Libraries
 Source0:
http://search.cpan.org/CPAN/authors/id/F/FR/FREW/DBIx-Class-%{version}.tar.gz
@@ -11,7 +11,7 @@ URL:http://search.cpan.org/dist/DBIx-Class/
 Requires:   perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_%(eval `%{__perl} -V:version`; echo 
$version))
 BuildArch:  noarch
 
-BuildRequires:  perl(Class::Accessor::Grouped) = 0.10009
+BuildRequires:  perl(Class::Accessor::Grouped)
 BuildRequires:  perl(Class::C3::Componentised) = 1.0009
 BuildRequires:  perl(Class::Inspector) = 1.24
 BuildRequires:  perl(Class::ISA)
@@ -26,18 +26,18 @@ BuildRequires:  perl(DBI) = 1.609
 %if !0%{?perl_bootstrap}
 BuildRequires:  perl(DBIx::Class::Storage::Debug::PrettyPrint)
 %endif
-BuildRequires:  perl(Devel::GlobalDestruction) = 0.09
+BuildRequires:  perl(Devel::GlobalDestruction)
 BuildRequires:  perl(ExtUtils::MakeMaker) = 6.42
 BuildRequires:  perl(File::Temp) = 0.22
 BuildRequires:  perl(Math::Base36) = 0.07
 BuildRequires:  perl(Math::BigInt) = 1.89
 BuildRequires:  perl(Module::Find) = 0.07
 BuildRequires:  perl(Moo) = 1.06
-BuildRequires:  perl(MRO::Compat) = 0.12
+BuildRequires:  perl(MRO::Compat)
 BuildRequires:  perl(Package::Stash) = 0.28
 BuildRequires:  perl(Path::Class) = 0.18
 BuildRequires:  perl(Scope::Guard) = 0.03
-BuildRequires:  perl(SQL::Abstract) = 1.73
+BuildRequires:  perl(SQL::Abstract)
 BuildRequires:  perl(strictures) = 1.003001
 BuildRequires:  perl(Sub::Name) = 0.04
 BuildRequires:  perl(Test::Builder) = 0.94
@@ -49,7 +49,7 @@ BuildRequires:  perl(Text::Balanced) = 2.00
 BuildRequires:  perl(Text::CSV_XS)
 BuildRequires:  perl(Try::Tiny) = 0.07
 
-Requires:   perl(Class::Accessor::Grouped) = 0.10007
+Requires:   perl(Class::Accessor::Grouped)
 Requires:   perl(Class::C3::Componentised) = 1.0009
 Requires:   perl(Class::Inspector) = 1.24
 Requires:   perl(Config::Any) = 0.20
@@ -91,7 +91,7 @@ BuildRequires: perl(Test::Memory::Cycle)
 BuildRequires: perl(Text::CSV) = 1.16
 BuildRequires: perl(Time::Piece::MySQL)
 BuildRequires: perl(namespace::autoclean) = 0.09
-BuildRequires: perl(namespace::clean) = 0.24
+BuildRequires: perl(namespace::clean)
 
 # obsolete/provide old tests subpackage
 # can be removed during F19 development cycle
@@ -153,7 +153,7 @@ rm t/storage/dbic_pretty.t
 %endif
 
 %build
-%{__perl} Makefile.PL INSTALLDIRS=vendor
+%{__perl} Makefile.PL INSTALLDIRS=vendor --skipdeps
 make %{?_smp_mflags}
 
 %install
@@ -181,15 +181,10 @@ make test
 
 
 %changelog
-* Sat Feb 02 2013 Iain Arnell iarn...@gmail.com 0.08205-3
-- rebuild without bootstrap again
-
-* Sat Feb 02 2013 Iain Arnell iarn...@gmail.com 0.08205-2
-- explicitly provide DBIx::Class::Carp
-- build with bootstrap enabled to fix broken dependencies
-
 * Tue Jan 29 2013 Iain Arnell iarn...@gmail.com 0.08205-1
 - update to latest upstream version
+- explicitly provide DBIx::Class::Carp
+- loosen some overly restrictive build dependencies
 
 * Sat Oct 20 2012 Iain Arnell iarn...@gmail.com 0.08203-1
 - update to latest upstream version
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[Bug 905289] New DBIx::Class breaks update/delete when source name is not simple

2013-02-03 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=905289

--- Comment #2 from Fedora Update System upda...@fedoraproject.org ---
perl-DBIx-Class-0.08205-1.fc18 has been submitted as an update for Fedora 18.
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/perl-DBIx-Class-0.08205-1.fc18

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File Devel-Hide-0.0009.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by iarnell

2013-02-03 Thread Iain Arnell
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Devel-Hide:

ca2ed6a23b0a3af29962986761fc1171  Devel-Hide-0.0009.tar.gz
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[perl-Devel-Hide] update to 0.0009

2013-02-03 Thread Iain Arnell
commit b42eecebba87f632da7370f12b4a4d456f557d49
Author: Iain Arnell iarn...@gmail.com
Date:   Sun Feb 3 09:52:38 2013 -0700

update to 0.0009

 .gitignore   |1 +
 perl-Devel-Hide.spec |   21 +++--
 rt74225.patch|   12 
 sources  |2 +-
 4 files changed, 9 insertions(+), 27 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/.gitignore b/.gitignore
index 7e489d0..3f3704a 100644
--- a/.gitignore
+++ b/.gitignore
@@ -1 +1,2 @@
 Devel-Hide-0.0008.tar.gz
+/Devel-Hide-0.0009.tar.gz
diff --git a/perl-Devel-Hide.spec b/perl-Devel-Hide.spec
index 73be210..5ce04cc 100644
--- a/perl-Devel-Hide.spec
+++ b/perl-Devel-Hide.spec
@@ -1,15 +1,11 @@
 Name:   perl-Devel-Hide
-Version:0.0008
-Release:13%{?dist}
+Version:0.0009
+Release:1%{?dist}
 Summary:Forces the unavailability of specified Perl modules (for 
testing)
 License:GPL+ or Artistic
 Group:  Development/Libraries
 URL:http://search.cpan.org/dist/Devel-Hide/
 Source0:
http://www.cpan.org/authors/id/F/FE/FERREIRA/Devel-Hide-%{version}.tar.gz
-# 'defined(@array)' is deprecated - avoid warnings
-# see https://rt.cpan.org/Public/Bug/Display.html?id=74225
-Patch0: rt74225.patch
-BuildRoot:  %{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-%{release}-root-%(%{__id_u} -n)
 BuildArch:  noarch
 BuildRequires:  perl(ExtUtils::MakeMaker)
 BuildRequires:  perl(Test::More)
@@ -24,35 +20,32 @@ installed or not).
 
 %prep
 %setup -q -n Devel-Hide-%{version}
-%patch0 -p1
 
 %build
 %{__perl} Makefile.PL INSTALLDIRS=vendor
 make %{?_smp_mflags}
 
 %install
-rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
-
 make pure_install PERL_INSTALL_ROOT=$RPM_BUILD_ROOT
 
 find $RPM_BUILD_ROOT -type f -name .packlist -exec rm -f {} \;
-find $RPM_BUILD_ROOT -depth -type d -exec rmdir {} 2/dev/null \;
 
 %{_fixperms} $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/*
 
 %check
 make test
 
-%clean
-rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
-
 %files
-%defattr(-,root,root,-)
 %doc Changes README
 %{perl_vendorlib}/*
 %{_mandir}/man3/*
 
 %changelog
+* Sun Feb 03 2013 Iain Arnell iarn...@gmail.com 0.0009-1
+- update to latest upstream
+- remove rt74225.patch as it's fixed in latest release
+- clean up spec for modern rpmbuild
+
 * Fri Jul 20 2012 Fedora Release Engineering rel-...@lists.fedoraproject.org 
- 0.0008-13
 - Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_18_Mass_Rebuild
 
diff --git a/sources b/sources
index 66e20fe..517382f 100644
--- a/sources
+++ b/sources
@@ -1 +1 @@
-3b38c60feed1e922093f5f68dd6d5c20  Devel-Hide-0.0008.tar.gz
+ca2ed6a23b0a3af29962986761fc1171  Devel-Hide-0.0009.tar.gz
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File Devel-LexAlias-0.05.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by iarnell

2013-02-03 Thread Iain Arnell
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Devel-LexAlias:

1a4f70dff1a47b3eb96bdeac50db2ec5  Devel-LexAlias-0.05.tar.gz
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[perl-Devel-LexAlias] update to 0.05

2013-02-03 Thread Iain Arnell
commit 6499918cba9279a4b74d633ddef7cc541057b860
Author: Iain Arnell iarn...@gmail.com
Date:   Sun Feb 3 09:59:08 2013 -0700

update to 0.05

 .gitignore   |1 +
 perl-Devel-LexAlias.spec |   27 ++-
 sources  |2 +-
 3 files changed, 12 insertions(+), 18 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/.gitignore b/.gitignore
index 1b30dfd..9acc7fe 100644
--- a/.gitignore
+++ b/.gitignore
@@ -1 +1,2 @@
 Devel-LexAlias-0.04.tar.gz
+/Devel-LexAlias-0.05.tar.gz
diff --git a/perl-Devel-LexAlias.spec b/perl-Devel-LexAlias.spec
index d03146c..60beca9 100644
--- a/perl-Devel-LexAlias.spec
+++ b/perl-Devel-LexAlias.spec
@@ -1,23 +1,18 @@
 Name:   perl-Devel-LexAlias
-Version:0.04
-Release:14%{?dist}
+Version:0.05
+Release:1%{?dist}
 Summary:Alias lexical variables
 License:GPL+ or Artistic
 Group:  Development/Libraries
 URL:http://search.cpan.org/dist/Devel-LexAlias/
 Source0:
http://www.cpan.org/authors/id/R/RC/RCLAMP/Devel-LexAlias-%{version}.tar.gz
-BuildRoot:  %{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-%{release}-root-%(%{__id_u} -n)
 Requires:   perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_%(eval `%{__perl} -V:version`; echo 
$version))
 
 BuildRequires:  perl(Devel::Caller) = 0.03
 BuildRequires:  perl(ExtUtils::MakeMaker)
 BuildRequires:  perl(Test::More)
 
-# don't provide private Perl libs
-%global _use_internal_dependency_generator 0
-%global __deploop() while read FILE; do /usr/lib/rpm/rpmdeps -%{1} ${FILE}; 
done | /bin/sort -u
-%global __find_provides /bin/sh -c %{__grep} -v '%{perl_vendorarch}/.*\\.so$' 
| %{__deploop P}
-%global __find_requires /bin/sh -c %{__deploop R}
+%{?perl_default_filter}
 
 %description
 Devel::LexAlias provides the ability to alias a lexical variable in a
@@ -33,30 +28,28 @@ perl -pi -e 's|^#!perl|#!/usr/bin/perl|' t/*
 make %{?_smp_mflags}
 
 %install
-rm -rf %{buildroot}
-
-make pure_install PERL_INSTALL_ROOT=%{buildroot}
+make pure_install DESTDIR=%{buildroot}
 
 find %{buildroot} -type f -name .packlist -exec rm -f {} +
 find %{buildroot} -type f -name '*.bs' -size 0 -exec rm -f {} +
-find %{buildroot} -depth -type d -exec rmdir {} 2/dev/null \;
 
 %{_fixperms} %{buildroot}/*
 
 %check
 make test
 
-%clean
-rm -rf %{buildroot}
-
 %files
-%defattr(-,root,root,-)
-%doc README t/
+%doc Changes t/
 %{perl_vendorarch}/auto/*
 %{perl_vendorarch}/Devel*
 %{_mandir}/man3/*
 
 %changelog
+* Sun Feb 03 2013 Iain Arnell iarn...@gmail.com 0.05-1
+- update to latest upstream version
+- clean up spec for modern rpmbuild
+- use perl_default_filter
+
 * Fri Jul 20 2012 Fedora Release Engineering rel-...@lists.fedoraproject.org 
- 0.04-14
 - Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_18_Mass_Rebuild
 
diff --git a/sources b/sources
index 3d31a8b..3acd276 100644
--- a/sources
+++ b/sources
@@ -1 +1 @@
-7fe986f50b467fa8575a67f0729fbb1d  Devel-LexAlias-0.04.tar.gz
+1a4f70dff1a47b3eb96bdeac50db2ec5  Devel-LexAlias-0.05.tar.gz
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File Net-Amazon-0.62.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by iarnell

2013-02-03 Thread Iain Arnell
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Net-Amazon:

ee90c82eca0fb06ca5ab9e9b9c2e92b8  Net-Amazon-0.62.tar.gz
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[perl-Net-Amazon] update to 0.62

2013-02-03 Thread Iain Arnell
commit 5397be203096ae738d23c4d48ac8a851a9eb0bab
Author: Iain Arnell iarn...@gmail.com
Date:   Sun Feb 3 10:05:03 2013 -0700

update to 0.62

 .gitignore   |1 +
 perl-Net-Amazon.spec |   13 +
 sources  |2 +-
 3 files changed, 11 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/.gitignore b/.gitignore
index e26ac60..5ebdbc0 100644
--- a/.gitignore
+++ b/.gitignore
@@ -1,3 +1,4 @@
 Net-Amazon-0.59.tar.gz
 /Net-Amazon-0.60.tar.gz
 /Net-Amazon-0.61.tar.gz
+/Net-Amazon-0.62.tar.gz
diff --git a/perl-Net-Amazon.spec b/perl-Net-Amazon.spec
index 1193ccf..b78dc22 100644
--- a/perl-Net-Amazon.spec
+++ b/perl-Net-Amazon.spec
@@ -1,19 +1,22 @@
 Name:   perl-Net-Amazon
-Version:0.61
-Release:4%{?dist}
+Version:0.62
+Release:1%{?dist}
 Summary:Framework for accessing amazon.com via REST
 License:GPL+ or Artistic
 Group:  Development/Libraries
 URL:http://search.cpan.org/dist/Net-Amazon/
 Source0:
http://www.cpan.org/authors/id/B/BO/BOUMENOT/Net-Amazon-%{version}.tar.gz
 BuildArch:  noarch
+BuildRequires:  perl(Data::Dumper)
 BuildRequires:  perl(Digest::SHA)
 BuildRequires:  perl(ExtUtils::MakeMaker)
+BuildRequires:  perl(HTTP::Message)
 BuildRequires:  perl(Log::Log4perl) = 0.3
-BuildRequires:  perl(LWP::UserAgent) = 2
+BuildRequires:  perl(LWP::UserAgent) = 5.814
 BuildRequires:  perl(Test::More)
 BuildRequires:  perl(Time::HiRes)
 BuildRequires:  perl(URI)
+BuildRequires:  perl(URI::Escape)
 BuildRequires:  perl(XML::Simple) = 2.08
 Requires:   perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_%(eval `%{__perl} -V:version`; echo 
$version))
 
@@ -36,7 +39,6 @@ make %{?_smp_mflags}
 make pure_install PERL_INSTALL_ROOT=$RPM_BUILD_ROOT
 
 find $RPM_BUILD_ROOT -type f -name .packlist -exec rm -f {} \;
-find $RPM_BUILD_ROOT -depth -type d -exec rmdir {} 2/dev/null \;
 
 %{_fixperms} $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/*
 
@@ -49,6 +51,9 @@ make test
 %{_mandir}/man3/*
 
 %changelog
+* Sun Feb 03 2013 Iain Arnell iarn...@gmail.com 0.62-1
+- update to latest upstream version
+
 * Fri Jul 20 2012 Fedora Release Engineering rel-...@lists.fedoraproject.org 
- 0.61-4
 - Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_18_Mass_Rebuild
 
diff --git a/sources b/sources
index 9f370dd..01f6483 100644
--- a/sources
+++ b/sources
@@ -1 +1 @@
-33192ac55aa6c4b3ccd3db097c5b2e6d  Net-Amazon-0.61.tar.gz
+ee90c82eca0fb06ca5ab9e9b9c2e92b8  Net-Amazon-0.62.tar.gz
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File MooseX-Types-DateTime-0.08.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by iarnell

2013-02-03 Thread Iain Arnell
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-MooseX-Types-DateTime:

5ba0f4b7cae2a18ed5a89c5ce84ce410  MooseX-Types-DateTime-0.08.tar.gz
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[perl-MooseX-Types-DateTime] update to 0.08

2013-02-03 Thread Iain Arnell
commit 70fbd148c75cd145b45e3294836d7825b02e1d36
Author: Iain Arnell iarn...@gmail.com
Date:   Sun Feb 3 10:55:32 2013 -0700

update to 0.08

 .gitignore  |1 +
 perl-MooseX-Types-DateTime.spec |8 +---
 sources |2 +-
 3 files changed, 7 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/.gitignore b/.gitignore
index dbc7ec3..4dcb546 100644
--- a/.gitignore
+++ b/.gitignore
@@ -1,2 +1,3 @@
 MooseX-Types-DateTime-0.05.tar.gz
 /MooseX-Types-DateTime-0.07.tar.gz
+/MooseX-Types-DateTime-0.08.tar.gz
diff --git a/perl-MooseX-Types-DateTime.spec b/perl-MooseX-Types-DateTime.spec
index ecf07ea..3574698 100644
--- a/perl-MooseX-Types-DateTime.spec
+++ b/perl-MooseX-Types-DateTime.spec
@@ -1,6 +1,6 @@
 Name:   perl-MooseX-Types-DateTime
-Version:0.07
-Release:5%{?dist}
+Version:0.08
+Release:1%{?dist}
 # see, e.g., lib/MooseX/Types/DateTime.pm
 License:GPL+ or Artistic
 Group:  Development/Libraries
@@ -55,7 +55,6 @@ make %{?_smp_mflags}
 %install
 make pure_install DESTDIR=%{buildroot}
 find %{buildroot} -type f -name .packlist -exec rm -f {} ';'
-find %{buildroot} -depth -type d -exec rmdir {} 2/dev/null ';'
 
 %{_fixperms} %{buildroot}/*
 
@@ -68,6 +67,9 @@ make test
 %{_mandir}/man3/*.3*
 
 %changelog
+* Sun Feb 03 2013 Iain Arnell iarn...@gmail.com 0.08-1
+- update to latest upstream version
+
 * Fri Jul 20 2012 Fedora Release Engineering rel-...@lists.fedoraproject.org 
- 0.07-5
 - Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_18_Mass_Rebuild
 
diff --git a/sources b/sources
index 3ad9381..36f0d72 100644
--- a/sources
+++ b/sources
@@ -1 +1 @@
-a51afe31904649eb3a59b48fc3ba83b4  MooseX-Types-DateTime-0.07.tar.gz
+5ba0f4b7cae2a18ed5a89c5ce84ce410  MooseX-Types-DateTime-0.08.tar.gz
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[Bug 905289] New DBIx::Class breaks update/delete when source name is not simple

2013-02-03 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=905289

--- Comment #3 from Kahlil Hodgson kah...@iinet.net.au ---
Thanks Iain.  Just installed and tested and all seems good :-)

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[perl-OpenOffice-UNO] Drop requirement for libreoffice-sdk 4; builds OK with LibreOffice 4

2013-02-03 Thread Paul Howarth
commit 3acd539ef8d8a22b87800f37fe3d397c84d7c938
Author: Paul Howarth p...@city-fan.org
Date:   Sun Feb 3 22:29:30 2013 +

Drop requirement for libreoffice-sdk  4; builds OK with LibreOffice 4

 perl-OpenOffice-UNO.spec |8 +---
 1 files changed, 5 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/perl-OpenOffice-UNO.spec b/perl-OpenOffice-UNO.spec
index 02ebc4e..13e905d 100644
--- a/perl-OpenOffice-UNO.spec
+++ b/perl-OpenOffice-UNO.spec
@@ -1,6 +1,6 @@
 Name:   perl-OpenOffice-UNO
 Version:0.07
-Release:6%{?dist}
+Release:7%{?dist}
 Summary:Interface to OpenOffice's UNO run-time
 License:LGPLv2+ and SISSL
 Group:  Development/Libraries
@@ -17,7 +17,6 @@ BuildRequires:  perl(Exporter)
 BuildRequires:  perl(File::Path)
 BuildRequires:  /usr/bin/ooffice
 BuildRequires:  libreoffice-sdk = 1:3
-BuildRequires:  libreoffice-sdk  1:4
 BuildRequires:  libreoffice-writer
 BuildRequires:  libreoffice-calc
 BuildRequires:  libreoffice-headless
@@ -64,7 +63,7 @@ find $RPM_BUILD_ROOT -depth -type d -exec rmdir {} 
2/dev/null \;
 %check
 setsid ooffice --headless 
--accept='socket,host=localhost,port=8100;urp;StarOffice.ServiceManager' 
 trap kill -- -$! ||: EXIT
-sleep 10 # In fact, OpenOffice is known to start almost instanteously
+sleep 10 # In fact, OpenOffice is known to start almost instantaneously
 make test
 
 
@@ -81,6 +80,9 @@ rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
 
 
 %changelog
+* Sun Feb  3 2013 Paul Howarth p...@city-fan.org - 0.07-7
+- Drop requirement for libreoffice-sdk  4; builds OK with LibreOffice 4
+
 * Fri Nov  9 2012 Paul Howarth p...@city-fan.org - 0.07-6
 - Tweak Makefile.PL so we don't end up finding libsal_textenc when we're
   looking for libuno_sal
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Re: [perl-OpenOffice-UNO] Drop requirement for libreoffice-sdk 4; builds OK with LibreOffice 4

2013-02-03 Thread Paul Howarth
On Sun,  3 Feb 2013 22:30:11 + (UTC)
Paul Howarth pghm...@fedoraproject.org wrote:

 commit 3acd539ef8d8a22b87800f37fe3d397c84d7c938
 Author: Paul Howarth p...@city-fan.org
 Date:   Sun Feb 3 22:29:30 2013 +
 
 Drop requirement for libreoffice-sdk  4; builds OK with
 LibreOffice 4

Well it builds OK for me locally (i686 and x86_64) but in koji the
32-bit build seems to exit some of the tests (after passing them) with
non-zero exit codes, causing the test suite to fail. Don't know what to
do about that.

Paul.
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