Re: [EPEL-devel] Proposal for Python 3 packaging in EPEL 7
On 12/10/2014 03:48 AM, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote: Hi all, I know I've been promising this for quite some time to several people, so I finally managed to put together a proposal for packaging Python 3 in EPEL 7 (it'd also scale to EPEL 6 for that matter). I've created a wiki page [1] with the proposal and I'd like to hear comments and thoughts on it. There are some TODOs and variants in few places - I'd like to hear your opinions on these, or perhaps suggestions on better approaches. I'll create new documents with the updated proposal at some points during the discussion, so that people can easily see where the proposal is going without having to compare wiki revisions. Is there any other list/interested parties that should be put in CC of this mail? If so, please feel free to respond and do that yourself. Thanks! Nice to see some progress on this. Some comments: - We should have /usr/bin/python3, if only for end user convenience. - I want to be able to build my EPEL python3X packages out of my existing python dist-git packages' epel7 branch. -- Orion Poplawski Technical Manager 303-415-9701 x222 NWRA, Boulder/CoRA Office FAX: 303-415-9702 3380 Mitchell Lane or...@nwra.com Boulder, CO 80301 http://www.nwra.com ___ epel-devel mailing list epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/epel-devel
Re: [EPEL-devel] Proposal for Python 3 packaging in EPEL 7
On 10 December 2014 at 03:48, Bohuslav Kabrda bkab...@redhat.com wrote: Hi all, I know I've been promising this for quite some time to several people, so I finally managed to put together a proposal for packaging Python 3 in EPEL 7 (it'd also scale to EPEL 6 for that matter). I've created a wiki page [1] with the proposal and I'd like to hear comments and thoughts on it. There are some TODOs and variants in few places - I'd like to hear your opinions on these, or perhaps suggestions on better approaches. I'll create new documents with the updated proposal at some points during the discussion, so that people can easily see where the proposal is going without having to compare wiki revisions. Is there any other list/interested parties that should be put in CC of this mail? If so, please feel free to respond and do that yourself. THis proposal looks good at first blush. I think the time for retirement of python3X to python3(X+1) can be anywhere from 6 weeks to 2 months (if that isn't too long). Thanks! -- Regards, Slavek Kabrda [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Bkabrda/EPEL7_Python3 ___ epel-devel mailing list epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/epel-devel -- Stephen J Smoogen. ___ epel-devel mailing list epel-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/epel-devel
[EPEL-devel] Fedora EPEL 5 updates-testing report
The following Fedora EPEL 5 Security updates need testing: Age URL 963 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2012-5630/bugzilla-3.2.10-5.el5 417 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2013-11893/libguestfs-1.20.12-1.el5 182 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2014-1626/puppet-2.7.26-1.el5 36 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2014-3784/mantis-1.2.17-3.el5 31 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2014-3849/sblim-sfcb-1.3.8-2.el5 7 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2014-4408/libyaml-0.1.2-8.el5 7 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2014-4402/antiword-0.37-17.el5 7 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2014-4403/pkcs11-helper-1.11-3.el5,openvpn-2.3.6-1.el5 6 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2014-4430/phpMyAdmin4-4.0.10.7-1.el5 6 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2014-4441/icecast-2.4.1-1.el5 4 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2014-4475/pwgen-2.07-1.el5 0 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2014-4527/xrdp-0.6.1-1.el5 0 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2014-4520/firebird-2.1.5.18496.0-5.el5 0 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2014-4620/pywebdav-0.9.4.1-1.el5 The following builds have been pushed to Fedora EPEL 5 updates-testing cmake-fedora-2.3.4-1.el5 davix-0.4.0-1.el5 firebird-2.1.5.18496.0-5.el5 gfal2-2.7.8-2.el5 perl-Getopt-GUI-Long-0.91-8.el5 perl-QWizard-3.15-10.el5 perl-Text-Unidecode-1.23-1.el5 pywebdav-0.9.4.1-1.el5 srcpd-2.1.2-6.el5 xrdp-0.6.1-1.el5 Details about builds: cmake-fedora-2.3.4-1.el5 (FEDORA-EPEL-2014-4567) CMake helper modules for fedora developers Update Information: - Fixed RHBZ 1144906 - cmake-fedora failed to build target pot_files if the .pot file not exists. - ManageDependency: Now able to assign multiple PKG_CONFIG files. - ManageGConf: Added Variables to cache. - cmake-fedora.conf: el7 and fc21 is now available in bodhi. - ManageRPMScript: Fixed the mo file handling. - ManageZanata: Use /usr/share/locale as SYSTEM_LOCALE source instead. - Fixed RHBZ 1144906 - cmake-fedora failed to build target pot_files if the .pot file not exists. - ManageDependency: var_CFLAGS and var_LIBS are also cached. - ManageDependency: var_INCLUDEDIR also includes directories from var_CFLAGS. - ManageGConf: Added Variables to cache. - cmake-fedora.conf: el7 and fc21 is now available in bodhi. - Fixed RHBZ 1144906 - cmake-fedora failed to build target pot_files if the .pot file not exists. - ManageDependency: var_CFLAGS and var_LIBS are also cached. - ManageDependency: var_INCLUDEDIR also includes directories from var_CFLAGS. - ManageGConf: Added Variables to cache. - cmake-fedora.conf: el7 and fc21 is now available in bodhi. - Fixed RHBZ 1144906 - cmake-fedora failed to build target pot_files if the .pot file not exists. - ManageDependency: var_CFLAGS and var_LIBS are also cached. - ManageDependency: var_INCLUDEDIR also includes directories from var_CFLAGS. - ManageGConf: Added Variables to cache. - cmake-fedora.conf: el7 and fc21 is now available in bodhi. - Fixed RHBZ 1144906 - cmake-fedora failed to build target pot_files if the .pot file not exists. - ManageDependency: var_CFLAGS and var_LIBS are also cached. - ManageDependency: var_INCLUDEDIR also includes directories from var_CFLAGS. - ManageGConf: Added Variables to cache. - cmake-fedora.conf: el7 and fc21 is now available in bodhi. ChangeLog: * Wed Dec 10 2014 Ding-Yi Chen dchen at redhat.com - 2.3.4-1 - Fixed RHBZ 1144906 - cmake-fedora failed to build target pot_files if the .pot file not exists. - ManageDependency: Now able to assign multiple PKG_CONFIG files. - ManageGConf: Added Variables to cache. - cmake-fedora.conf: el7 and fc21 is now available in bodhi. - ManageRPMScript: Fixed the mo file handling. - ManageZanata: Use /usr/share/locale as SYSTEM_LOCALE source instead. References: [ 1 ] Bug #1144906 - cmake-fedora failed to build target pot_files if the .pot file not exists https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1144906 davix-0.4.0-1.el5 (FEDORA-EPEL-2014-4614) Toolkit for Http-based file management Update Information: davix 0.4.0 release, see RELEASE-NOTES for changes
Re: Poll: How users use DNF
On Tuesday, December 09, 2014 12:28:54 PM Radek Holy wrote: I would be very grateful if you could send me a brief description of how you use YUM or DNF currently or how would you like to use it. DNF doesn't work with local repositories created via createrepo or yum-plugin- local. It is one of the reasons I can't use DNF at all. I would hope that DNF would support local repositories before Fedora adopts it as an official package management tool. Here is the bug report[1]. [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=991014 -- Regards, Sudhir Khanger, sudhirkhanger.com, github.com/donniezazen, 5577 8CDB A059 085D 1D60 807F 8C00 45D9 F5EF C394. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall
On 10 December 2014 at 00:43, Bastien Nocera bnoc...@redhat.com wrote: - Original Message - On 9 December 2014 at 13:47, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 01:11:33PM +, Ian Malone wrote: have a proposal for a new spin focused on privacy and security — the Netizen Spin. (If you're interested, I think that could use additional contributors.) I was under the impression spins were to be phased out. I could be wrong, the discussion was about the time of the product proposal. That's wrong; the clear outcome of that discussion was that we want to keep them, and provide more flexiblity and opportunity for spins maintainers as well. Well that's some good news to come out of this at least. Everyone knows that there are improvements to be made, but it's _not_ an easy problem. Contributions are welcome towards making that better for F22 and beyond. (Use cases. Design mockups. Code) Rather time poor at the moment and not a gnome developer unfortunately. Does rather sound like things like rygel need fixed, but as I have no intention of ever using it I'm not highly motivated to do something about it. Just like Reindl you make the mistake of thinking that rygel needs to be fixed or that it's the only service impacted by this scheme. It's not, and it was pointed out in earlier mails. You're sniping at me now, and making assumptions. So I get to do this, please read the fedora code of conduct and be awesome! http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct I have skimmed the links you listed. Like I said, time poor. I see no explanation of why rygel needs a random port or why it cannot supply that information to firewalld. The same goes for any others that have random ports. -- imalone http://ibmalone.blogspot.co.uk -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
introducing alternatives into a package
Hi,
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Alternatives explains how
alternatives should be done in Fedora, however it does not seem to
address the case of converting an existing package to use alternatives.
Specifically the problem arises when a file is changed to become a %ghost.
It seems rpm keeps the old file around as a ghost and so update-alternatives
does not create the new symlink.
I remember this happening when emacs introduced alternatives
a good while back: at the time I worked around it just by removing
emacs and reinstalling it.
Adding:
%pre
if [ $1 -gt 1 ] ; then
if [ -f %{_bindir}/%{name} -a ! -L %{_bindir}/%{name} ]; then
rm %{_bindir}/%{name}
fi
fi
seems to be one way to handle this.
Is there any better way to do this or is the above solution good enough?
If so maybe I should ask FPC about updating Packaging:Alternatives to
include this. (I kind of wish these kind of idioms would be defined
as rpm macros.)
Jens
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Re: Poll: How users use DNF
On 9.12.2014 18:28, Radek Holy wrote: Dear users of YUM and DNF, I'm writing to you regarding a request for your feedback. I would be very grateful if you could send me a brief description of how you use YUM or DNF currently or how would you like to use it. I am particularly interested in the occurrences of dnf/yum install calls in your scripts. What does these scripts do and what do they expect when they call the install command in different situations? Please share with me the use cases, not the description of the install command. Think twice before you share something because I believe it's not as easy as it might seem. As an example I think it might be something like: - I call YUM install, because I want to get given packages into my system and I don't care whether it requires an upgrade or downgrade or what. or - I want to get them there but it should protect me against dangerous operations like downgrades or - I often make typos, so I expect that the program knows what I mean or - it would be nice if it would literally perform the installation; if any of the packages cannot be installed because of any reason, it should fail. Not something like: that's obvious that the install command should never downgrade packages. Please focus on *use cases*. The *real* (non-hypothetical) use cases. Not on the command's name as it might also result in a new command (while preserving the well-known install command together with an appropriate behaviour). I don't mind if you send it offlist (or to another list). I think there is no need to comment on anyone's use case. Every case is valid. Just not every case can be supported. Thank you very much in advance. Hello, my use cases are developer-oriented: 1) I need ability to install *precise* versions of packages. Typically this is caused by need to examine coredump file received from a user. Install command in yum behaves weirdly, there are all sorts of weird corner cases where yum install foo-2:3.4.5-666 bar-1:2.3-4 fails for some reason. Imagine this situation: - I always start with clean Fedora VM snapshot created a week (or month :-) ago. It would be waste of bandwidth and time to reinstall it the every day. - I copypaste list of package from bug report to command line - it results in command line: $ yum install foo-2:3.4.5-666 bar-1:2.3-4 In this scenario, it could happen that package foo needs upgrade (because the VM snapshot is 1 week old) and package bar needs downgrade at the same time (because user who reported the bug did not upgrade bar package for whatever reason). In my opinion, if 'install' command receives N(E)VR specification then it should respect it even if it means downgrade. And it should *scream* if it is not possible install requested package version! I'm not sure if there is a conflict with other requirements you received, maybe I'm asking for dnf install-what-I-typed-in command :-) 2) Installing locally built RPMs: I often rebuild packages with minimal changes, e.g. just with different CFLAGS but with no changes to the actual source. I get my new shiny packages in ~/rpmbuild but $ yum install ~/rpmbuild/RPMS/*/* often fails to install them because system has newer or the same version of the package installed already. In this specific case, where yum install gets RPMs as parameters (instead of names from repo) it should (re)install them even if it means downgrade. 3) Upgrading/Reinstalling locally built packages. In cases where rebuild yields lots of packages it is handy to have ability to reinstall/upgrade/downgrade only packages which are installed at the moment. E.g. bind src rpm produces 15 different packages but my test system has only 8 of them installed. In this case running $ yum install ~/rpmbuild/RPMS/*/* is not useful because I would install a lot of unnecessary packages (which can be sometime conflicting with others). I would be happy if $ yum reinstall ~/rpmbuild/RPMS/*/* reinstalled/upgradeed/downgraded only packages which are actually installed and ignored the rest. Maybe it is a case for dnf reinstall-what-I-typed-in command. Thank you for listening and have a nice day! -- Petr^2 Spacek -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall
Am 10.12.2014 um 06:08 schrieb Simo Sorce: Most users have no idea what NAT, TCP or ports are sadly yes nor should they! *they should* damned people should stop to evangelize that users do not need to know anything and then design operating systems based on that self-fulfilling prophecy signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Review swap -- Budgie Desktop
On 12/08/2014 05:06 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: On Mon, Dec 08, 2014 at 11:01:50AM -0500, Bastien Nocera wrote: - Original Message - On Mon, Dec 08, 2014 at 09:08:09AM -0500, Bastien Nocera wrote: It's a sub-module because it's not a library. I know it does not have a stable api. But could it be compiled as a library? It could be, as long as it's not installed in a system-wide location. My point was that you don't need any exceptions to include the gnome-volume-control library in your package. According to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:No_Bundled_Libraries#Exceptions, For some reasons, this currently is inaccessible (Error 503) ;) Exceptions are granted on a case-by-case basis by FPC. You can look in the following section for help on making a case for why an exception should be granted. You should open up a ticket in the FPC's trac with information asked for below. and below is a section called Some reasons you might be granted an exception with a Copylibs subheading. So Unless I'm confusing something, an FPC stamp is still needed. Yes. We (FPC) usually examines those cases, and either grants a copylib exception (I.e. mandates these packages to be add Provided: bundled(...) or these packages to be converted to provide/shared libs). Please file an FPC ticket to initiate this process. It's copy/pasted in the control-center package (that's the original code), in gnome-settings-daemon and in gnome-shell. ;) Ralf -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Poll: How users use DNF
On 10.12.2014 10:14, Petr Spacek wrote: On 9.12.2014 18:28, Radek Holy wrote: Dear users of YUM and DNF, I'm writing to you regarding a request for your feedback. I would be very grateful if you could send me a brief description of how you use YUM or DNF currently or how would you like to use it. I am particularly interested in the occurrences of dnf/yum install calls in your scripts. What does these scripts do and what do they expect when they call the install command in different situations? Please share with me the use cases, not the description of the install command. Think twice before you share something because I believe it's not as easy as it might seem. As an example I think it might be something like: - I call YUM install, because I want to get given packages into my system and I don't care whether it requires an upgrade or downgrade or what. or - I want to get them there but it should protect me against dangerous operations like downgrades or - I often make typos, so I expect that the program knows what I mean or - it would be nice if it would literally perform the installation; if any of the packages cannot be installed because of any reason, it should fail. Not something like: that's obvious that the install command should never downgrade packages. Please focus on *use cases*. The *real* (non-hypothetical) use cases. Not on the command's name as it might also result in a new command (while preserving the well-known install command together with an appropriate behaviour). I don't mind if you send it offlist (or to another list). I think there is no need to comment on anyone's use case. Every case is valid. Just not every case can be supported. Thank you very much in advance. Hello, my use cases are developer-oriented: 1) I need ability to install *precise* versions of packages. Typically this is caused by need to examine coredump file received from a user. Install command in yum behaves weirdly, there are all sorts of weird corner cases where yum install foo-2:3.4.5-666 bar-1:2.3-4 fails for some reason. Imagine this situation: - I always start with clean Fedora VM snapshot created a week (or month :-) ago. It would be waste of bandwidth and time to reinstall it the every day. - I copypaste list of package from bug report to command line - it results in command line: $ yum install foo-2:3.4.5-666 bar-1:2.3-4 In this scenario, it could happen that package foo needs upgrade (because the VM snapshot is 1 week old) and package bar needs downgrade at the same time (because user who reported the bug did not upgrade bar package for whatever reason). In my opinion, if 'install' command receives N(E)VR specification then it should respect it even if it means downgrade. And it should *scream* if it is not possible install requested package version! I'm not sure if there is a conflict with other requirements you received, maybe I'm asking for dnf install-what-I-typed-in command :-) 2) Installing locally built RPMs: I often rebuild packages with minimal changes, e.g. just with different CFLAGS but with no changes to the actual source. I get my new shiny packages in ~/rpmbuild but $ yum install ~/rpmbuild/RPMS/*/* often fails to install them because system has newer or the same version of the package installed already. In this specific case, where yum install gets RPMs as parameters (instead of names from repo) it should (re)install them even if it means downgrade. 3) Upgrading/Reinstalling locally built packages. In cases where rebuild yields lots of packages it is handy to have ability to reinstall/upgrade/downgrade only packages which are installed at the moment. E.g. bind src rpm produces 15 different packages but my test system has only 8 of them installed. In this case running $ yum install ~/rpmbuild/RPMS/*/* is not useful because I would install a lot of unnecessary packages (which can be sometime conflicting with others). I would be happy if $ yum reinstall ~/rpmbuild/RPMS/*/* reinstalled/upgradeed/downgraded only packages which are actually installed and ignored the rest. Maybe it is a case for dnf reinstall-what-I-typed-in command. Oh, I forgot to one more use case/plugin. 4) Fedora does not store old versions of packages in repo so I often have to go to Koji and download older rpms from there. A koji-repo plugin (in combination with install-what-I-typed-in command described above) would be awesome thing to have: Just copypaste list of RPMs from bug report and get all of them installed in one sweep! Thank you for listening and have a nice day! -- Petr^2 Spacek -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Self Introduction: Vladimir Stackov
Greetings, Fedora lovers, I'm glad to introduce myself to you. I'm 15+ years developer/admin with mainly perl-experience (also I write on C#/C/C++/Java) and would to like to make a contribution to Fedora. I'm going to maintain zbackup package for Fedora and EPEL. I'm also one of the zbackup contributors and one of two zbackup upstream maintainers. Here is my first review request: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1172525 -- Thanks, Vladimir Stackov. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
To the Tiles in Firefox New Tab discussion
Hi, I just wanted to introduce to the august audience here the blogpost http://blog.mozilla.org/advancingcontent/2014/12/09/getting-tiles-data-into-firefox/ Best, Matěj -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Review swap -- Budgie Desktop
On 12/10/2014 04:19 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 12/08/2014 05:06 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: On Mon, Dec 08, 2014 at 11:01:50AM -0500, Bastien Nocera wrote: - Original Message - On Mon, Dec 08, 2014 at 09:08:09AM -0500, Bastien Nocera wrote: It's a sub-module because it's not a library. I know it does not have a stable api. But could it be compiled as a library? It could be, as long as it's not installed in a system-wide location. My point was that you don't need any exceptions to include the gnome-volume-control library in your package. According to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:No_Bundled_Libraries#Exceptions, For some reasons, this currently is inaccessible (Error 503) ;) Access to some services appear to be intermittent, likely due to the F21 release :p Exceptions are granted on a case-by-case basis by FPC. You can look in the following section for help on making a case for why an exception should be granted. You should open up a ticket in the FPC's trac with information asked for below. and below is a section called Some reasons you might be granted an exception with a Copylibs subheading. So Unless I'm confusing something, an FPC stamp is still needed. Yes. We (FPC) usually examines those cases, and either grants a copylib exception (I.e. mandates these packages to be add Provided: bundled(...) or these packages to be converted to provide/shared libs). Please file an FPC ticket to initiate this process. It's copy/pasted in the control-center package (that's the original code), in gnome-settings-daemon and in gnome-shell. ;) FPC ticket opened: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/476 Regards, -- Michel Alexandre Salim Fedora Project Contributor: http://fedoraproject.org/ Email: sali...@fedoraproject.org | GPG key ID: A36A937A IDs:keybase.io/michel-slm | IRC: michel_...@irc.freenode.net () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall
- Original Message - On 10 December 2014 at 00:43, Bastien Nocera bnoc...@redhat.com wrote: - Original Message - On 9 December 2014 at 13:47, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 01:11:33PM +, Ian Malone wrote: have a proposal for a new spin focused on privacy and security — the Netizen Spin. (If you're interested, I think that could use additional contributors.) I was under the impression spins were to be phased out. I could be wrong, the discussion was about the time of the product proposal. That's wrong; the clear outcome of that discussion was that we want to keep them, and provide more flexiblity and opportunity for spins maintainers as well. Well that's some good news to come out of this at least. Everyone knows that there are improvements to be made, but it's _not_ an easy problem. Contributions are welcome towards making that better for F22 and beyond. (Use cases. Design mockups. Code) Rather time poor at the moment and not a gnome developer unfortunately. Does rather sound like things like rygel need fixed, but as I have no intention of ever using it I'm not highly motivated to do something about it. Just like Reindl you make the mistake of thinking that rygel needs to be fixed or that it's the only service impacted by this scheme. It's not, and it was pointed out in earlier mails. You're sniping at me now, and making assumptions. So I get to do this, please read the fedora code of conduct and be awesome! http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Given the amount of time I've thrown into this dead-end thread, I think I'm already pretty awesome. I have skimmed the links you listed. Like I said, time poor. You'll accuse me of being rude again, but if you can't read 3 pages of text because of the lack of time, maybe spending that time throwing factually and technically incorrect suggestions on the list shouldn't top of your TODO list. I see no explanation of why rygel needs a random port or why it cannot supply that information to firewalld. The same goes for any others that have random ports. Because that's the mechanism the kernel offers for applications when selecting a port isn't important, the high port isn't defined by the IANA, and the specs (DLNA/UPnP in this case) don't force particular ports to be opened. Even if we chose static ports for those (or rather port ranges, because if you have multiple users running, you'd need multiple ports), leaving only those ports opened wouldn't stop other random applications from choosing those ports to do something nefarious. You're just limiting the availability of ports without increasing security. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall
- Original Message - Am 10.12.2014 um 06:08 schrieb Simo Sorce: Most users have no idea what NAT, TCP or ports are sadly yes nor should they! *they should* damned people should stop to evangelize that users do not need to know anything and then design operating systems based on that self-fulfilling prophecy You've made that clear, and that's the opposite of our goals. I don't think there's anything else you could add to this conversation. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall
- Original Message - Bastien Nocera wrote: For example, RTSP streaming, Rhythmbox remote control for iOS, music sharing via DAAP, DLNA sharing via rygel, but also DLNA client usage (through Videos), and VNC are impacted. This is a non-exhaustive list for the default applications in the Workstation version. VNC?! You think it's a good idea to allow REMOTE CONTROLLING YOUR DESKTOP by default??? No, it's disabled by default, obviously. As for the insecure file sharing protocols, I also expect those to be blocked, and I also question the need for even shipping those by default. There is one reasonably-secure file sharing protocol we support out of the box: SFTP. That means making a whole account accessible, and sharing either its password or private key. That's not what the WebDAV share setup by gnome-user-share does. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall
Am 10.12.2014 um 12:47 schrieb Bastien Nocera: Even if we chose static ports for those (or rather port ranges, because if you have multiple users running, you'd need multiple ports), leaving only those ports opened wouldn't stop other random applications from choosing those ports to do something nefarious. You're just limiting the availability of ports without increasing security in other words you see the attack surface is the same if you can choose any random port with a wild guess or need at least to know something about the target system? not that security by obsucrity alone helps much *but* any piece making intrusion harder helps and the overall security is defined by the summary of all pieces given that 100% security don't exist and even if there is some hole it makes a difference how easy is it to find or let the attacker just move to a more open target security is all about making things harder as long as you need a network connection and can't go offline signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
rawhide report: 20141210 changes
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Other download options
Hi everyone, I've noticed that other download options besides LIVE images are now gone from the website. Can you please explain how should (normal) user find non-LIVE image links there? I know this has been (probably intentionally) obfuscated before. Please put it back, even as obfuscated as it used to be. Or wanting to have a choice is too much? thx - maros -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Other download options
Am 10.12.2014 um 13:43 schrieb Maros Zatko: Hi everyone, I've noticed that other download options besides LIVE images are now gone from the website. Can you please explain how should (normal) user find non-LIVE image links there? I know this has been (probably intentionally) obfuscated before. Please put it back, even as obfuscated as it used to be. Or wanting to have a choice is too much? why not just scroll down? there is a big Download list in the footer Get Fedora Workstation Get Fedora Server Get Fedora Cloud Fedora Spins Torrent Downloads signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Allow internet/network access based on binary -- ask user for permission if a binary wants to connect to the internet
On Tue, 2014-12-09 at 08:39 -0500, Daniel J Walsh wrote: You can do this with SELinux and confined users somewhat. YOU basically could setup a user as xguest with no network access and then write policy to transition to certain domains that can use the internet. No ability to prompt the user though. This will get you most of the way you want to go, but somethings can be tricky. Also lots of apps contact the network just by calling getpw* calls, if you have certain settings in nsswitch. And by certain settings he means default settings, because nsswitch.conf defaults to using the 'dns' library for host lookup, which means that any gethostby*() call will hit the network. As for users and groups, most modern systems don't hit the network directly anymore. The SSSD, Winbind and nss-pam-ldapd projects all provide a separate, privileged daemon to perform the actual network lookup, meaning that the application doesn't do it directly. Now, if the system is using the old nss_ldap instead of nss-pam-ldapd, that could be an issue, but I don't think we even ship that in Fedora anymore. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall
On 12/10/2014 12:38 AM, Simo Sorce wrote: On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 05:46:32 +0100 Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Pete Travis wrote: Lets say I do have an understanding of network basics, just for the sake of argument. I share my application with you. The application is intended to listen on the network, you know this and want the application for that purpose. You run the application, it tries to listen to a network port. But as you wrote the application, you know which one, so you just tell me the port number, and I open it up in a few clicks in the firewall. (Plus, I will also have to set up port forwarding for that port in my cable modem's integrated NAT router anyway, so an insecure local firewall won't make the application work without you telling me the port anyway.) I don't feel inconvenienced at all, it's obvious to me. If it were not, you could tell me, or just document what is needed in your documentation. As much as I do not like an insecure default, I think you have not clear what is the average technical capability of users. Most users have no idea what NAT, TCP or ports are (nor should they!). At most they understand *literally* a question like: do you want this application to be allowed to access the network ? and you better name the app in the same way the GUI does it (not the binary name) or quite a few will be confused about what this is all about. the naming thing is not the most difficult one, GNOME Shell already do that to group windows and find the correct icon to show opened Windows on the launch bar, It search .desktop files. There are still problems with applications launched from vm like executables, for example JNLP launched java applications, but if that is good enough for Shell, it should be enough for a network permission UI. The problem for the workstation people is to build enough infrastructure to make those simple questions and be able to act on them, anything in that direction will help, otherwise you are just ranting. Simo. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall
On 12/10/2014 12:01 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Stephen John Smoogen wrote: In the end, this is a tempest in a teapot. The release is out and it is done. The release is out, but there are an expected 13 months of security updates, of which this ought to be the first. and there is a precedent of security policies being reverted by a patch: Allow all user to install applications from repositories, was reverted, and a few Fedora releases later, the right thing was done, implement UI to define Administrator users that permissions granted Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall
On Wed, 2014-12-10 at 05:57 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: VNC?! You think it's a good idea to allow REMOTE CONTROLLING YOUR DESKTOP by default??? The firewall must not block VNC. VNC is a GNOME feature and it must work if enabled. It's disabled by default, because it'd be stupid to have it enabled. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Upgrading cloog to 0.18.1 for {,cross-}{gcc,binutils}
Would there be any problem with upgrading cloog to 0.18.1 so that binutils, gcc, cross-binutils and cross-gcc can use it? Also, should I put isl-0.12.2 into it's own package or should it be added to cloog? Or should I make a gcc-cloog (and gcc-isl)? David -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Other download options
Speaking of F21 downloads, how is that the fedoraproject.org redirects to getfedora.org? Is this something permanent? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Is ARM productized?
Having some hard time to discover the ARM F21 image at the new website. Is the link somewhere and I completely missed it? I found the ARM images directly from the ftp http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/21/Images/armhfp/ But as a general question is ARM productized? Would it make sense to have Workstation or Server images for ARM? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Upgrading cloog to 0.18.1 for {,cross-}{gcc,binutils}
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 01:13:54PM +, David Howells wrote: Would there be any problem with upgrading cloog to 0.18.1 so that binutils, gcc, cross-binutils and cross-gcc can use it? Also, should I put isl-0.12.2 into it's own package or should it be added to cloog? Or should I make a gcc-cloog (and gcc-isl)? At this point it would probably be better to use git trunk cloog with isl 0.14, since this Monday even gcc 4.8.x should support that combination. Please make sure http://repo.or.cz/w/cloog.git/commit/2d8b7c6b43ee46fee978a57fa6877de49675f357 http://repo.or.cz/w/cloog.git/commit/22643c94eba7b010ae4401c347289f4f52b9cd2b fixes are in. What do binutils need cloog/isl for btw? Jakub -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Other download options
From: Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 1:54:29 PM Subject: Re: Other download options Am 10.12.2014 um 13:43 schrieb Maros Zatko: Hi everyone, I've noticed that other download options besides LIVE images are now gone from the website. Can you please explain how should (normal) user find non-LIVE image links there? I know this has been (probably intentionally) obfuscated before. Please put it back, even as obfuscated as it used to be. Or wanting to have a choice is too much? why not just scroll down? there is a big Download list in the footer Get Fedora Workstation Get Fedora Server Get Fedora Cloud Fedora Spins Torrent Downloads Yes, there is netinstall in the Server variant, I suppose it's not the same as Workstation one and (as a user) I'm getting pretty confused now :) -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall
Bastien Nocera wrote: Even if we chose static ports for those (or rather port ranges, because if you have multiple users running, you'd need multiple ports), leaving only those ports opened wouldn't stop other random applications from choosing those ports to do something nefarious. You're just limiting the availability of ports without increasing security. That's why we should only keep ports open that are actually reserved at boot time by systemwide services. User sessions should NEVER be open to the network, at least not in the default firewall configuration. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Other download options
Am 10.12.2014 um 14:27 schrieb Maros Zatko: From: Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net Am 10.12.2014 um 13:43 schrieb Maros Zatko: Hi everyone, I've noticed that other download options besides LIVE images are now gone from the website. Can you please explain how should (normal) user find non-LIVE image links there? I know this has been (probably intentionally) obfuscated before. Please put it back, even as obfuscated as it used to be. Or wanting to have a choice is too much? why not just scroll down? there is a big Download list in the footer Get Fedora Workstation Get Fedora Server Get Fedora Cloud Fedora Spins Torrent Downloads Yes, there is netinstall in the Server variant, I suppose it's not the same as Workstation one and (as a user) I'm getting pretty confused now :) http://torrents.fedoraproject.org/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Upgrading cloog to 0.18.1 for {,cross-}{gcc,binutils}
Jakub Jelinek ja...@redhat.com wrote: What do binutils need cloog/isl for btw? I'm not sure, but in binutils/configure, I see: with_cloog with_isl with_isl_include with_isl_lib enable_isl_version_check with_cloog_include with_cloog_lib enable_cloog_version_check It's possible it doesn't actually use cloog: warthog2grep -rl cloog * ChangeLog config/ChangeLog config/cloog.m4 config/isl.m4 configure configure.ac Makefile.def Makefile.in Makefile.tpl 'isl' turns up a lot more (it matches things like 'islower'), but excluding most obvious false positives shows that isl probably isn't actually used either. David -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Poll: How users use DNF
Petr Spacek wrote: I would be happy if $ yum reinstall ~/rpmbuild/RPMS/*/* reinstalled/upgradeed/downgraded only packages which are actually installed and ignored the rest. In this case, you should be able to just use rpm -Fvh. (I assume the dependencies are already installed, which is likely to be the case if you already have a different version of the same package.) Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Upgrading cloog to 0.18.1 for {,cross-}{gcc,binutils}
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 01:31:45PM +, David Howells wrote: Jakub Jelinek ja...@redhat.com wrote: What do binutils need cloog/isl for btw? I'm not sure, but in binutils/configure, I see: with_cloog with_isl with_isl_include with_isl_lib enable_isl_version_check with_cloog_include with_cloog_lib enable_cloog_version_check The toplevel configure is shared with gcc. That doesn't mean anything built in binutils actually uses it. It's possible it doesn't actually use cloog: warthog2grep -rl cloog * ChangeLog config/ChangeLog config/cloog.m4 config/isl.m4 configure configure.ac Makefile.def Makefile.in Makefile.tpl 'isl' turns up a lot more (it matches things like 'islower'), but excluding most obvious false positives shows that isl probably isn't actually used either. BTW, cloog 0.18.3 has been released 2 days ago, perhaps it is usable with latest 4.8.x/4.9.x. Note GCC 5.x will only need isl and not cloog. Jakub -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Is ARM productized?
On Wed, 2014-12-10 at 15:21 +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote: Having some hard time to discover the ARM F21 image at the new website. Is the link somewhere and I completely missed it? I found the ARM images directly from the ftp http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/21/Images/armhfp/ But as a general question is ARM productized? Would it make sense to have Workstation or Server images for ARM? The Fedora Server has an install tree for ARM devices that can boot the installer from the network: http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux//releases/21/Server/armhfp/os/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Other download options
From: Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 2:29:09 PM Subject: Re: Other download options Am 10.12.2014 um 14:27 schrieb Maros Zatko: From: Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net Am 10.12.2014 um 13:43 schrieb Maros Zatko: Hi everyone, I've noticed that other download options besides LIVE images are now gone from the website. Can you please explain how should (normal) user find non-LIVE image links there? I know this has been (probably intentionally) obfuscated before. Please put it back, even as obfuscated as it used to be. Or wanting to have a choice is too much? why not just scroll down? there is a big Download list in the footer Get Fedora Workstation Get Fedora Server Get Fedora Cloud Fedora Spins Torrent Downloads Yes, there is netinstall in the Server variant, I suppose it's not the same as Workstation one and (as a user) I'm getting pretty confused now :) http://torrents.fedoraproject.org/ Thanks!!! As a joke, this is getting better and better since there is no torrent for netinstall at all. Och yes, and it's not even Friday, yet! :D -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: introducing alternatives into a package
Jens Petersen wrote: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Alternatives explains how alternatives should be done in Fedora, however it does not seem to address the case of converting an existing package to use alternatives. The solution to problems with alternatives is usually to just not use alternatives to begin with. It is a very broken concept that almost never makes sense. The biggest issue is that alternative selection is systemwide. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: introducing alternatives into a package
On Wed, 2014-12-10 at 04:09 -0500, Jens Petersen wrote:
Hi,
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Alternatives explains how
alternatives should be done in Fedora, however it does not seem to
address the case of converting an existing package to use alternatives.
Specifically the problem arises when a file is changed to become a %ghost.
It seems rpm keeps the old file around as a ghost and so update-alternatives
does not create the new symlink.
I remember this happening when emacs introduced alternatives
a good while back: at the time I worked around it just by removing
emacs and reinstalling it.
Adding:
%pre
if [ $1 -gt 1 ] ; then
if [ -f %{_bindir}/%{name} -a ! -L %{_bindir}/%{name} ]; then
rm %{_bindir}/%{name}
fi
fi
seems to be one way to handle this.
Is there any better way to do this or is the above solution good enough?
If so maybe I should ask FPC about updating Packaging:Alternatives to
include this. (I kind of wish these kind of idioms would be defined
as rpm macros.)
Jens
I'm CCing this to the packag...@lists.fedoraproject.org mailing list, as
you're more likely to get a useful response from there.
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Re: Other download options
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Maros Zatko mza...@redhat.com wrote: From: Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 1:54:29 PM Subject: Re: Other download options Am 10.12.2014 um 13:43 schrieb Maros Zatko: Hi everyone, I've noticed that other download options besides LIVE images are now gone from the website. Can you please explain how should (normal) user find non-LIVE image links there? I know this has been (probably intentionally) obfuscated before. Please put it back, even as obfuscated as it used to be. Or wanting to have a choice is too much? why not just scroll down? there is a big Download list in the footer Get Fedora Workstation Get Fedora Server Get Fedora Cloud Fedora Spins Torrent Downloads Yes, there is netinstall in the Server variant, I suppose it's not the same as Workstation [...] The name is misleading ... the netinstall can install anything like in the old days. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Other download options
Dne 10.12.2014 v 14:38 Maros Zatko napsal(a): From: Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 2:29:09 PM Subject: Re: Other download options Am 10.12.2014 um 14:27 schrieb Maros Zatko: From: Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net Am 10.12.2014 um 13:43 schrieb Maros Zatko: Hi everyone, I've noticed that other download options besides LIVE images are now gone from the website. Can you please explain how should (normal) user find non-LIVE image links there? I know this has been (probably intentionally) obfuscated before. Please put it back, even as obfuscated as it used to be. Or wanting to have a choice is too much? why not just scroll down? there is a big Download list in the footer Get Fedora Workstation Get Fedora Server Get Fedora Cloud Fedora Spins Torrent Downloads Yes, there is netinstall in the Server variant, I suppose it's not the same as Workstation one and (as a user) I'm getting pretty confused now :) http://torrents.fedoraproject.org/ Thanks!!! As a joke, this is getting better and better since there is no torrent for netinstall at all. Och yes, and it's not even Friday, yet! :D Cloud and Server have netinst, Workstation does not have: http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/21/ Vít -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall
On 12/09/2014 07:54 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Stephen Gallagher wrote: services: dhcpv6-client dns freeipa-ldap freeipa-ldaps samba-client ssh With the default Workstation policy, does that enumerate all 129022 open unprivileged ports? # firewall-cmd --list-all FedoraWorkstation (active) ... ports: 1025-65535/udp 1025-65535/tcp -- Jiri -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Upgrading cloog to 0.18.1 for {,cross-}{gcc,binutils}
Jakub Jelinek ja...@redhat.com wrote: The toplevel configure is shared with gcc. That doesn't mean anything built in binutils actually uses it. Ah, ok. BTW, cloog 0.18.3 has been released 2 days ago, perhaps it is usable with latest 4.8.x/4.9.x. Note GCC 5.x will only need isl and not cloog. Sounds like ISL should be its own package then. Does gcc need patching to use isl-0.14? David -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Upgrading cloog to 0.18.1 for {,cross-}{gcc,binutils}
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 01:58:19PM +, David Howells wrote: Jakub Jelinek ja...@redhat.com wrote: The toplevel configure is shared with gcc. That doesn't mean anything built in binutils actually uses it. Ah, ok. BTW, cloog 0.18.3 has been released 2 days ago, perhaps it is usable with latest 4.8.x/4.9.x. Note GCC 5.x will only need isl and not cloog. Sounds like ISL should be its own package then. Does gcc need patching to use isl-0.14? GCC 4.8 branch before http://gcc.gnu.org/r218481 and GCC 4.9 branch before http://gcc.gnu.org/r218392 do need patching, later ones don't. But, supposedly when changing gcc rpms to use the system cloog/isl, they will be also updated to use newer upstream snapshot... Jakub -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Upgrading cloog to 0.18.1 for {,cross-}{gcc,binutils}
Jakub Jelinek ja...@redhat.com wrote: What do binutils need cloog/isl for btw? Hmmm... /usr/lib64/libisl.so.13.1.0-gdb.py /usr/lib64/libisl.so.13.1.0-gdb.pyc /usr/lib64/libisl.so.13.1.0-gdb.pyo David -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Meeting minutes from Env-and-Stacks WG meeting (2014-12-10)
#fedora-meeting: Env and Stacks (2014-12-10) Meeting started by hhorak at 12:01:52 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-12-10/env-and-stacks.2014-12-10-12.01.log.html . Meeting summary --- * welcoming... (hhorak, 12:02:19) * Follow-up: languages repositories (hhorak, 12:03:52) * devpi was chosen for proof-of-concept just because it was first on mind, but it might be pulp in the future (hhorak, 12:09:00) * devpi doesn't allow saying these packages can't be mirrored; a bug upstream is opened, work in progress (hhorak, 12:12:32) * PoC with devpi makes sense, since it's already native to the Python ecosystem and hence avoids Pulp plugin limitations as a potentially confounding factor; thus let's keep working on the devpi pilot and also keep an eye on pulp_python (hhorak, 12:18:07) * good news is, that if something is *in* our devpi instance, devpi won't update it from pypi unless we tell it to using pypi_whitelist (hhorak, 12:23:27) * LINK: https://bitbucket.org/hpk42/devpi/issue/198/whitelisting-packages-that-can-be-mirrored (hhorak, 12:26:17) * ACTION: bkabrda will list requirements/news learned for devpi on the LSR project page (hhorak, 12:30:03) * ACTION: bkabrda will prepare a draft document about what/how we want to mirror/prebuild on the pilot devpi instance (bkabrda, 12:32:01) * ACTION: bkabrda will find out whether devpi can mirror pulp's pulp_python repo (bkabrda, 12:44:31) * LINK: http://doc.devpi.net/latest/quickstart-releaseprocess.html (hhorak, 12:53:35) * Follow-up:SCLs (hhorak, 12:54:33) Meeting ended at 13:20:46 UTC. Action Items * bkabrda will list requirements/news learned for devpi on the LSR project page * bkabrda will prepare a draft document about what/how we want to mirror/prebuild on the pilot devpi instance * bkabrda will find out whether devpi can mirror pulp's pulp_python repo Action Items, by person --- * bkabrda * bkabrda will list requirements/news learned for devpi on the LSR project page * bkabrda will prepare a draft document about what/how we want to mirror/prebuild on the pilot devpi instance * bkabrda will find out whether devpi can mirror pulp's pulp_python repo * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --- * bkabrda (48) * ncoghlan (43) * hhorak (34) * jzeleny (29) * langdon (11) * juhp_ (8) * zodbot (4) * vpavlin (3) * nphilipp (1) * samkottler (0) * tjanez (0) * sicampbell (0) * juhp (0) * pkovar (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Poll: How users use DNF
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 02:32:35PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Petr Spacek wrote: I would be happy if $ yum reinstall ~/rpmbuild/RPMS/*/* reinstalled/upgradeed/downgraded only packages which are actually installed and ignored the rest. In this case, you should be able to just use rpm -Fvh. (I assume the dependencies are already installed, which is likely to be the case if you already have a different version of the same package.) I use rpm -Fvh too, but it's not always convenient. It'll only install *newer* packages, and it will not install dependencies. E.g. for python packages, dependencies often do not have to be installed during build, so even if building a package, not everything required for installation is there. Zbyszek -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Poll: How users use DNF
On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 12:28:54PM -0500, Radek Holy wrote: Please share with me the use cases, not the description of the install command. Think twice before you share something because I believe it's not as easy as it might seem. As an example I think it might be something like: - I call YUM install, because I want to get given packages into my system and I don't care whether it requires an upgrade or downgrade or what. or - I want to get them there but it should protect me against dangerous operations like downgrades or - I often make typos, so I expect that the program knows what I mean or - it would be nice if it would literally perform the installation; if any of the packages cannot be installed because of any reason, it should fail. OpenStack's devstack.sh deployment script makes use of YUM for two core tasks. First it wants to ensure a set of packages exist on the host and wants to see an error exit status if any of the packages requested are not present after the command completes. Currently it uses 'install' for this but has to grep stderr for No package to see if YUM claimed success when it in fact failed to install some of the packages [1]. Second it wants to be able to be to ensure a package is not present on a server. ie if the package is not installed currently that's fine, but if it is installed it must be removed. It wants to have an error status only if the package is installed and cannot be removed. In both cases it needs to operate non-interactively with no user prompting. Regards, Daniel [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=965567 -- |: http://berrange.com -o-http://www.flickr.com/photos/dberrange/ :| |: http://libvirt.org -o- http://virt-manager.org :| |: http://autobuild.org -o- http://search.cpan.org/~danberr/ :| |: http://entangle-photo.org -o- http://live.gnome.org/gtk-vnc :| -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Poll: How users use DNF
On 12/09/2014 05:48 PM, Oron Peled wrote: OK, this isn't a direct DNF/YUM item, but still... I have several workstations/laptops with the same Fedora version (currently 20): * Downloading the same RPM's/DRPM's for each of these hosts is a huge waste. * OTOH, I haven't found a no-brainer yum-proxy (a-la Debian's apt-proxy or apt-cacher-ng) FWIW - I still use InstantMirror, despite its warts: https://github.com/opoplawski/InstantMirror -- Orion Poplawski Technical Manager 303-415-9701 x222 NWRA, Boulder/CoRA Office FAX: 303-415-9702 3380 Mitchell Lane or...@nwra.com Boulder, CO 80301 http://www.nwra.com -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Other download options
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 6:27 AM, Maros Zatko mza...@redhat.com wrote: Yes, there is netinstall in the Server variant, I suppose it's not the same as Workstation one and (as a user) I'm getting pretty confused now :) I'm getting kind of confused myself. I want to grab an image to throw onto an old machine for my kids to use. I just want a desktop with a web browser and a mail client. Workstation isn't suitable; they aren't developers (yet). Server and Cloud are definitely right out. I don't want a Live CD; I want to actually install. (In the past, installing from a Live CD left one with different defaults than an install from DVD, so I've learned to avoid the Live CD. Perhaps that reflex is now wrong.) I guess I could go with one of the spins, but I don't see a GNOME spin anywhere. Is there really no DVD image for a generic GNOME desktop install? Maybe I should make Kevin happy and get the KDE spin. :-) Actually, the KDE, Xfce, LXDE, and Mate spins all seem likely to fit my use case, but I'm very surprised that there isn't a GNOME equivalent. Or is there? If there is, I can't tell from the information on getfedora.org. What are we recommending for people who want to install a generic access the Internet type of environment for non-techies? None of the products obviously address that audience. -- Jerry James http://www.jamezone.org/ -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Self Introduction: Vladimir Stackov
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 02:06:25PM +0400, Vladimir Stackov wrote: I'm glad to introduce myself to you. I'm 15+ years developer/admin with mainly perl-experience (also I write on C#/C/C++/Java) and would to like to make a contribution to Fedora. I'm going to maintain zbackup package for Fedora and EPEL. I'm also one of the zbackup contributors and one of two zbackup upstream maintainers. Hi, and welcome! zbackup looks really cool. Have you thought about adding Reed-Solomon codes as a built-in feature for error correction? -- Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org Fedora Project Leader -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Other download options
On Wed, 2014-12-10 at 09:52 -0700, Jerry James wrote: Workstation isn't suitable; they aren't developers (yet). Server and Cloud are definitely right out. I don't want a Live CD; I want to actually install. (In the past, installing from a Live CD left one with different defaults than an install from DVD, so I've learned to avoid the Live CD. Perhaps that reflex is now wrong.) Yes, this has always been a problem, one that has been solved by removing everything except the live CD. :p I guess I could go with one of the spins, but I don't see a GNOME spin anywhere. Is there really no DVD image for a generic GNOME desktop install? This would be redundant with Fedora Workstation. Workstation is what you want to download. We want it to be great for developers, but it's not for developers only: your confusion indicates that we have not been successful at marketing it as such. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Other download options
On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 09:52:05 -0700 Jerry James loganje...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 6:27 AM, Maros Zatko mza...@redhat.com wrote: Yes, there is netinstall in the Server variant, I suppose it's not the same as Workstation one and (as a user) I'm getting pretty confused now :) I'm getting kind of confused myself. I want to grab an image to throw onto an old machine for my kids to use. I just want a desktop with a web browser and a mail client. Workstation isn't suitable; they aren't developers (yet). Workstation is not only for developers. Developers are someone the workstation working group is targeting, but you don't have to be a developer. Many of the same things developers want/need are things your kids might want/need as well. Server and Cloud are definitely right out. I don't want a Live CD; I want to actually install. (In the past, installing from a Live CD left one with different defaults than an install from DVD, so I've learned to avoid the Live CD. Perhaps that reflex is now wrong.) I'd suggest so. The installer is the same in both, there's some details that are different, but the live media can install just fine. I guess I could go with one of the spins, but I don't see a GNOME spin anywhere. Is there really no DVD image for a generic GNOME desktop install? Maybe I should make Kevin happy and get the KDE spin. :-) You could get any one of the spins and just install gnome-desktop from there. Or workstation. Or KDE or anything in the package collection. Actually, the KDE, Xfce, LXDE, and Mate spins all seem likely to fit my use case, but I'm very surprised that there isn't a GNOME equivalent. Or is there? If there is, I can't tell from the information on getfedora.org. What are we recommending for people who want to install a generic access the Internet type of environment for non-techies? None of the products obviously address that audience. The workstation media should work fine for that... it seems the marketing around it isn't conveying that well. For your case, I'd just install (using whatever) and install all the desktops and try them out and see which one meets your needs best. kevin pgpocX7B84Dvt.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Other download options
On 10 Dec 2014, at 11:52, Jerry James wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 6:27 AM, Maros Zatko mza...@redhat.com wrote: Yes, there is netinstall in the Server variant, I suppose it's not the same as Workstation one and (as a user) I'm getting pretty confused now :) I'm getting kind of confused myself. I want to grab an image to throw onto an old machine for my kids to use. I just want a desktop with a web browser and a mail client. Workstation isn't suitable; they aren't developers (yet). Server and Cloud are definitely right out. I don't want a Live CD; I want to actually install. (In the past, installing from a Live CD left one with different defaults than an install from DVD, so I've learned to avoid the Live CD. Perhaps that reflex is now wrong.) I guess I could go with one of the spins, but I don't see a GNOME spin anywhere. Is there really no DVD image for a generic GNOME desktop install? Maybe I should make Kevin happy and get the KDE spin. :-) Actually, the KDE, Xfce, LXDE, and Mate spins all seem likely to fit my use case, but I'm very surprised that there isn't a GNOME equivalent. Or is there? If there is, I can't tell from the information on getfedora.org. What are we recommending for people who want to install a generic access the Internet type of environment for non-techies? None of the products obviously address that audience. This issue has been addressed tangentially in the marathon Workstation defaults to wide-open firewall thread. As best I can tell from Matthew Miller's responses there, Fedora has abandoned that portion of its previous user base that was using Fedora as a general, secure by default, Gnome desktop OS. Those users are no longer supported by any Fedora product. I also am trying to figure out how I can use Fedora going forward to support general desktop requirements for SMB office workers, creative types and others who have heretofore been using Fedora as a general, secure by default, Gnome desktop OS. The only ideas I have come up with so far are: • Install Fedora 20, update it, then fedup to nonproduct variant of Fedora 21; or • Use the server net install to install a minimal system as a nonproduct variant of Fedora 21, and then install a long list of packages needed to convert it into a general desktop OS. I have not yet tested and don't know how practical either of those ideas is. My users are accustomed to Gnome, so I prefer not to change to one of the alternative desktop environment spins if there is an easy way forward with Gnome. -- Mike Pinkerton -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Other download options
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Mike Pinkerton pseli...@mindspring.com wrote: I also am trying to figure out how I can use Fedora going forward to support general desktop requirements for SMB office workers, creative types and others who have heretofore been using Fedora as a general, secure by default, Gnome desktop OS. The only ideas I have come up with so far are: Why not the Workstation product with a firewall configuration more to your liking? Is there something besides the firewall that causes Fedora 21 Workstation to not meet your needs? Thanks, BC -- Ben Cotton -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Poll: How users use DNF
I found your email a bit confusing, so hopefully this is what you are after: (1) virt-builder --install is implemented using 'yum install' (2) virt-customize --install is implemented using 'yum install' For (1) and (2) I intend to replace yum with dnf when the guest version is Fedora = 22 (or 23?) (3) virt-v2v uses 'yum install' and 'yum resolvedep' both for very complicated reasons. It may be best just to read the source: https://github.com/libguestfs/libguestfs/blob/master/v2v/convert_linux.ml (4) supermin uses yumdownloader. We would like to replace it with 'dnf download' except that it is broken (RHBZ#1157233). Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat http://people.redhat.com/~rjones Read my programming and virtualization blog: http://rwmj.wordpress.com virt-p2v converts physical machines to virtual machines. Boot with a live CD or over the network (PXE) and turn machines into KVM guests. http://libguestfs.org/virt-v2v -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Poll: How users use DNF
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 06:04:00AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Przemek Klosowski wrote: I have mixed feelings for the typo correction/suggestions for arguments providing package names: I am glad they are case-insensitive because case conventions in package names are all over the place. On the other hand I am concerned about possible mistakes (I want to 'install foo' but mistype it as 'boo' and end up installing 'bugaboo'). Indeed, autocorrection should never be done without confirmation (and in non-interactive mode (dnf -y), it should probably just fail). It's just too likely to accidentally give the wrong answer. There should definitely be the equivalent of 'dnf --do-exactly-what-i-say' so that we can use it from scripts and programs. Also (as yum is not careful about this): - Always send errors to stderr and ordinary output to stdout - Return a non-zero exit code on failure - Make sure ^C works Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat http://people.redhat.com/~rjones Read my programming and virtualization blog: http://rwmj.wordpress.com libguestfs lets you edit virtual machines. Supports shell scripting, bindings from many languages. http://libguestfs.org -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Poll: How users use DNF
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 05:56:43PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: I found your email a bit confusing, so hopefully this is what you are after: (1) virt-builder --install is implemented using 'yum install' (2) virt-customize --install is implemented using 'yum install' More precisely it's 'yum -y install list of packages...' I forgot: There is also an --update flag for both of these commands, currently implemented using 'yum -y update'. Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat http://people.redhat.com/~rjones Read my programming and virtualization blog: http://rwmj.wordpress.com virt-builder quickly builds VMs from scratch http://libguestfs.org/virt-builder.1.html -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Other download options
On 10 Dec 2014, at 12:52, Ben Cotton wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Mike Pinkerton pseli...@mindspring.com wrote: I also am trying to figure out how I can use Fedora going forward to support general desktop requirements for SMB office workers, creative types and others who have heretofore been using Fedora as a general, secure by default, Gnome desktop OS. The only ideas I have come up with so far are: Why not the Workstation product with a firewall configuration more to your liking? Is there something besides the firewall that causes Fedora 21 Workstation to not meet your needs? Primarily the uncertainty of what changes the Workstation WG has made, coupled with Matthew Miller's comments that: Right now, 'desktop system with a security focus for new users' isn't a key part of that effort. ... So, if you're not in the target of that focus, where do you look? Well, you can certainly pick one of our other desktop spins ... None of those spins is Gnome-based. For office workers, creative types and similar, there is always a mixture of new and old users, a mixture of savvy and not, and always a few folks who, unless prevented, would do incredibly stupid things that put your whole network at risk. Security is always a prime concern. I would not have known about the firewall issue if Kevin Kofler had not kindly flagged it to this list. If the Workstation WG is willing to implement such a basic change with little notice -- and the two sentences in the Release Notes don't give adequate notice that Fedora has switched from a secure by default to an insecure by default firewall configuration -- then I can't trust the Workstation product until I can audit all of its configurations to determine where and how they differ from those I can support for my users. I don't have the time to do that. I also don't know whether Workstation updates will pull in other similarly bad ideas in the future, and whether I would have to re- audit all of the configuration after each update. -- Mike -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Self Introduction: Vladimir Stackov
Thank you! Yes, it will be implemented till v1.7-1.8. 2014-12-10 20:10 GMT+03:00 Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org: On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 02:06:25PM +0400, Vladimir Stackov wrote: I'm glad to introduce myself to you. I'm 15+ years developer/admin with mainly perl-experience (also I write on C#/C/C++/Java) and would to like to make a contribution to Fedora. I'm going to maintain zbackup package for Fedora and EPEL. I'm also one of the zbackup contributors and one of two zbackup upstream maintainers. Hi, and welcome! zbackup looks really cool. Have you thought about adding Reed-Solomon codes as a built-in feature for error correction? -- Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org Fedora Project Leader -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct -- С уважением, Владимир. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Other download options
On Wed, 2014-12-10 at 13:19 -0500, Mike Pinkerton wrote: Primarily the uncertainty of what changes the Workstation WG has made, coupled with Matthew Miller's comments that: Right now, 'desktop system with a security focus for new users' isn't a key part of that effort. ... So, if you're not in the target of that focus, where do you look? Well, you can certainly pick one of our other desktop spins ... None of those spins is Gnome-based. Well frankly, I'm going to take a rare opportunity to disagree with Matthew: building a desktop system with a security focus for new users is *exactly* what we're trying to do. I also do not agree that a restrictive firewall configuration would make accomplish this goal. That discussion is best left to the thread on devel@ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Other download options
On Dec 10, 2014 10:47 AM, Mike Pinkerton pseli...@mindspring.com wrote: On 10 Dec 2014, at 11:52, Jerry James wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 6:27 AM, Maros Zatko mza...@redhat.com wrote: Yes, there is netinstall in the Server variant, I suppose it's not the same as Workstation one and (as a user) I'm getting pretty confused now :) I'm getting kind of confused myself. I want to grab an image to throw onto an old machine for my kids to use. I just want a desktop with a web browser and a mail client. Workstation isn't suitable; they aren't developers (yet). Server and Cloud are definitely right out. I don't want a Live CD; I want to actually install. (In the past, installing from a Live CD left one with different defaults than an install from DVD, so I've learned to avoid the Live CD. Perhaps that reflex is now wrong.) I guess I could go with one of the spins, but I don't see a GNOME spin anywhere. Is there really no DVD image for a generic GNOME desktop install? Maybe I should make Kevin happy and get the KDE spin. :-) Actually, the KDE, Xfce, LXDE, and Mate spins all seem likely to fit my use case, but I'm very surprised that there isn't a GNOME equivalent. Or is there? If there is, I can't tell from the information on getfedora.org. What are we recommending for people who want to install a generic access the Internet type of environment for non-techies? None of the products obviously address that audience. This issue has been addressed tangentially in the marathon Workstation defaults to wide-open firewall thread. As best I can tell from Matthew Miller's responses there, Fedora has abandoned that portion of its previous user base that was using Fedora as a general, secure by default, Gnome desktop OS. Those users are no longer supported by any Fedora product. I also am trying to figure out how I can use Fedora going forward to support general desktop requirements for SMB office workers, creative types and others who have heretofore been using Fedora as a general, secure by default, Gnome desktop OS. The only ideas I have come up with so far are: • Install Fedora 20, update it, then fedup to nonproduct variant of Fedora 21; or • Use the server net install to install a minimal system as a nonproduct variant of Fedora 21, and then install a long list of packages needed to convert it into a general desktop OS. I have not yet tested and don't know how practical either of those ideas is. My users are accustomed to Gnome, so I prefer not to change to one of the alternative desktop environment spins if there is an easy way forward with Gnome. -- Mike Pinkerton I have a lot of tools. Mechanics tools, woodworking tools, electronics tools, plumbing tools, whatever. I don't drive over to the nearest hardware store and buy whatever they have on the shelf that fits the general description of saw or torque wrench or multimeter. I do some research, find quality products, and usually end up with something targeted towards professionals or contractors or whatever. I'm not going to compromise my standards because I encounter a product that isn't marketed for occasional semi-skilled use. Friends and family (at least, those that don't think the same way) end up borrowing my tools, even when they already have a saw or nailer or whatever. The tools they end up with just aren't as good. Often, their grabbed-off-the-shelf tools break more easily and sooner, while mine operate reliably through hard use. The experience is just more pleasant, the user more productive, the quality of the end product noticeably better. An OS is also a tool. You don't have to be a professional developer to enjoy the benefits of a product targeted for professional developers. You don't have to choose your experience based on the target audience of some marketing copy. If the product works for you, and works well, use it. (Obligatory aside - if you are a professional developer, and you prefer an alternative DE, Fedora works for you too :) --Pete -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
[perl-Catalyst-Plugin-SubRequest] Apply patch by the Debian maintainer to make this package's tests run with Catalyst 5.90006x (brc #1
commit 13182c18a8ce46b62617213ae1c8b3b44ffedcb2
Author: Emmanuel Seyman emman...@seyman.fr
Date: Wed Dec 10 20:03:17 2014 +0100
Apply patch by the Debian maintainer to make this package's tests run with
Catalyst 5.90006x (brc #1172196, rco #94392).
perl-Catalyst-Plugin-SubRequest.spec | 27 +--
1 files changed, 17 insertions(+), 10 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/perl-Catalyst-Plugin-SubRequest.spec
b/perl-Catalyst-Plugin-SubRequest.spec
index da5e7e1..7b380d5 100644
--- a/perl-Catalyst-Plugin-SubRequest.spec
+++ b/perl-Catalyst-Plugin-SubRequest.spec
@@ -1,11 +1,14 @@
Name: perl-Catalyst-Plugin-SubRequest
Summary:Make subrequests to actions in Catalyst
Version:0.20
-Release:6%{?dist}
+Release:7%{?dist}
License:GPL+ or Artistic
Group: Development/Libraries
Source0:
http://search.cpan.org/CPAN/authors/id/E/ED/EDENC/Catalyst-Plugin-SubRequest-%{version}.tar.gz
URL:http://search.cpan.org/dist/Catalyst-Plugin-SubRequest/
+# Patch taken from the debian package of this module
+# See rt.cpan.org #94392 for details
+Patch0: Catalyst-Plugin-SubRequest-5.9.patch
Requires: perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_%(eval `%{__perl} -V:version`; echo
$version))
BuildArch: noarch
@@ -15,15 +18,11 @@ BuildRequires: perl(HTTP::Date)
BuildRequires: perl(HTTP::Request::AsCGI)
BuildRequires: perl(Test::More)
BuildRequires: perl(Test::Pod)
+BuildRequires: perl(Test::Pod::Coverage)
BuildRequires: perl(Time::HiRes)
Requires: perl(Catalyst::Runtime) = 5.9
-# obsolete/provide old tests subpackage
-# can be removed during F19 development cycle
-Obsoletes: %{name}-tests 0.17-3
-Provides: %{name}-tests = %{version}-%{release}
-
%{?perl_default_filter}
%description
@@ -32,6 +31,7 @@ it will work like an external url call.
%prep
%setup -q -n Catalyst-Plugin-SubRequest-%{version}
+%patch0 -p1
%build
%{__perl} Makefile.PL INSTALLDIRS=vendor
@@ -46,14 +46,21 @@ find %{buildroot} -depth -type d -exec rmdir {} 2/dev/null
\;
%{_fixperms} %{buildroot}/*
%check
-make test
+TEST_POD=1 make test
%files
-%doc Changes README t/
-%{perl_vendorlib}/*
-%{_mandir}/man3/*
+%doc Changes README
+%{perl_vendorlib}/Catalyst*
+%{_mandir}/man3/Catalyst*
%changelog
+* Wed Dec 10 2014 Emmanuel Seyman emman...@seyman.fr - 0.20-7
+- Apply Debian patch to make tests pass (#1172196)
+- Run all tests
+- Remove tests sub-package
+- Remove tests from documentation
+- Tighten file listing
+
* Tue Sep 02 2014 Jitka Plesnikova jples...@redhat.com - 0.20-6
- Perl 5.20 rebuild
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fedup speed
Hi, I run fedup on a beefy desktop machine (SSD 450MB/s, 24GB ram, 12 cores), and started wondering why is takes so much time (1.5h or thereabouts for ~4500 packages). I noticed two things: 1. installing packages used just 1 core, and actually not even not at 100%, and about 15MB/s were written to the disk. perf top said that time was spent mostly in lzma_decode. Is this expected? 2. at the end, fedup creates a log by running 'journalctl -a -m', which is --all --merge. This seems a bit excessive. On this machine I have 4.5 GB of logs from this machine, plus a few GB more from other sources. journalctl is not very fast (which is another issue), but even if it was, dumping all this is bound to be slow, and not particularly useful. ? Zbyszek -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Reminder: Fedora 19 end of life on 2015-01-06
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greetings. This is a reminder email about the end of life process for Fedora 19. Fedora 19 will reach end of life on 2015-01-06, and no further updates will be pushed out after that time. Additionally, with the recent release of Fedora 21, no new packages will be added to the Fedora 19 collection. Please see http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DistributionUpgrades for more information on upgrading from Fedora 19 to a newer release. Dennis -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJUiI5EAAoJEH7ltONmPFDRCEMP/1Gh7JBy2mRQQxuIA+wqTX3u c4eE42Gld1TzH7bqtGXSBdVdgYIykqAF7jl/kHBRcfL9pKUzc0VyrIBKnxxIFl7e LGpFQJXgIg3nKIUSbX6VQohYiZQ9FvAnHp+oU+GdEg46uNViGWZQsL0PiBD1MV0/ 2pZg4GBQw/nHJoppGMEeMYJe2DTaTyRZ0+HL/H4ROfaMeSs6pu1ZtuqZlUSJx8J3 DIPLewfzbLapTITga2FnWU6IB+cYbBr5rP98F7/Hb3A9BCLysZy5NBu81ty4Xlqn hSYEzsxNFXfo1vrG7UcDOno/UVhukmrVNFw/JTf6+fHW2+FeHwXjnD16wD1JQ1KE 3m0nLgEKVSrPgRmeDT3z6jFXTsuhPx53bnoPcz1D5coVZ4zB/O6gt3xgq1phZNUC He/4CfADjIQivanuUfp8Wo2gEVOk+vwsgQ3DcTqWB5B0eXdyfiGepDp1alavpCXr 6Ca2xdiCF0R404ixndjZPG0ns9ezo8eTLBIYUOAga42U8gbKJ3t3BB0mlaawyEWm izd6+u/85OCSFwghoNSAFe0+YjPEVqjluGFzILihC7ROh+KVfkw6fOtW4HFwXMPl TUd5seF8w1eliO5HW1nxVQ3/i6zjMlA4hlF1wre+o2Q/f/J5Qg3xGSe0PjlcAMKd yhl0rdJSesuC/dE+CUzQ =4gwv -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ devel-announce mailing list devel-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel-announce -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Other download options
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 12:47:20PM -0500, Mike Pinkerton wrote: As best I can tell from Matthew Miller's responses there, Fedora has abandoned that portion of its previous user base that was using Fedora as a general, secure by default, Gnome desktop OS. That's _very much_ not what I said. Those users are no longer supported by any Fedora product. Fedora has never had anything like the new Cloud/Server/Workstation. Existing users are supported in the same way they always have been. Installing Workstation and applying • Install Fedora 20, update it, then fedup to nonproduct variant of Fedora 21; or I don't really understand the logic here. Why would you go that route? This seems like a very catastrophic overreaction. Have you tried Fedora 21 Workstation? Installing Workstation and applying whatever changes you prefer to rearch your target seems like the easiest path. But... • Use the server net install to install a minimal system as a nonproduct variant of Fedora 21, and then install a long list of packages needed to convert it into a general desktop OS. ... this is also a good approach. It's definitely what I've always done in creating systems for people I needed to support. But long list seems to again be catastrophizing the situation. We have packages grouped in comps and in install environments so it's really not all that complicated. My users are accustomed to Gnome, so I prefer not to change to one of the alternative desktop environment spins if there is an easy way forward with Gnome. If you, or any other collaborators, would like to build a GNOME-based spin targeting a different use case, not only is there nothing stopping you, it's encouraged. Take a look here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Spins_Process#Creating_a_Spin. It's not that difficult (basically, the same as the above in kickstart form, plus the commitment to keep it up to date and do minimal testing). -- Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org Fedora Project Leader -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Poll: How users use DNF
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 9:05 PM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 05:56:43PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: I found your email a bit confusing, so hopefully this is what you are after: (1) virt-builder --install is implemented using 'yum install' (2) virt-customize --install is implemented using 'yum install' More precisely it's 'yum -y install list of packages...' I forgot: There is also an --update flag for both of these commands, currently implemented using 'yum -y update'. yes, you can. you can also do this via dnf API ;) Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat http://people.redhat.com/~rjones Read my programming and virtualization blog: http://rwmj.wordpress.com virt-builder quickly builds VMs from scratch http://libguestfs.org/virt-builder.1.html -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct -- -Igor Gnatenko -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: fedup speed
On 12/10/2014 11:18 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: 2. at the end, fedup creates a log by running 'journalctl -a -m', which is --all --merge. This seems a bit excessive. On this machine I have 4.5 GB of logs from this machine, plus a few GB more from other sources. journalctl is not very fast (which is another issue), but even if it was, dumping all this is bound to be slow, and not particularly useful. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1161366 -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Reminder: Fedora 19 end of life on 2015-01-06
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Dennis Gilmore den...@ausil.us wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greetings. This is a reminder email about the end of life process for Fedora 19. Fedora 19 will reach end of life on 2015-01-06, and no further updates will be pushed out after that time. Additionally, with the recent release of Fedora 21, no new packages will be added to the Fedora 19 collection. Do you know when the last day to submit updates for F19 is? I suppose realistically getting an update into updates-testing a week before would be required but I'd like to know when the last stable push will be. josh -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Other download options
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Mike Pinkerton pseli...@mindspring.com wrote: Primarily the uncertainty of what changes the Workstation WG has made, coupled with Matthew Miller's comments that: deletia I also don't know whether Workstation updates will pull in other similarly bad ideas in the future, and whether I would have to re-audit all of the configuration after each update. I understand the frustration. This case has pointed out some areas where the communications process could be improved (though I expect the number of subscribers to the workstation mailing list has gone up dramatically in the last few days). Your reasons for avoiding using Workstation don't seem that new, though. Changes have always been able to pass under the radar, either because of process failure, or the simple fact of missing the email thread. Going forward, I'd hope the WGs will use this as an example to better communicate WG-specific changes, but relying on out-of-the-box configuration to match your desired state doesn't seem sustainable. Thanks, BC -- Ben Cotton -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Schedule for Thursday's FPC Meeting (2014-12-11 17:00 UTC)
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FPC meeting Thursday at 2014-12-11 17:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting-1 on irc.freenode.net. Local time information (via. rktime): 2014-12-11 09:00 Thu US/Pacific PST 2014-12-11 12:00 Thu US/Eastern EST 2014-12-11 17:00 Thu UTC - 2014-12-11 17:00 Thu Europe/London - 2014-12-11 18:00 Thu Europe/Paris CET 2014-12-11 18:00 Thu Europe/Berlin CET 2014-12-11 22:30 Thu Asia/Calcutta IST --new day-- 2014-12-12 01:00 Fri Asia/Singapore SGT 2014-12-12 01:00 Fri Asia/Hong_Kong HKT 2014-12-12 02:00 Fri Asia/Tokyo JST 2014-12-12 03:00 Fri Australia/Brisbane EST Links to all tickets below can be found at: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/report/12 = Followups = (needed policy, feature not accepted yet) #topic #466 recommend Privatedevices and PrivateNetwork in systemd guidelines .fpc 466 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/466 (needinfo, just package dep?) #topic #468 Temporary modernizr packing exception for kimchi .fpc 468 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/468 = New business = None = Open Floor = For more complete details, please visit each individual ticket. The report of the agenda items can be found at: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/report/12 If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can reply to this e-mail, file a new ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/fpc, e-mail me directly, or bring it up at the end of the meeting, during the open floor topic. Note that added topics may be deferred until the following meeting. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Schedule for Thursday's FPC Meeting (2014-12-11 17:00 UTC)
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 03:09:08PM -0500, James Antill wrote: Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FPC meeting Thursday at 2014-12-11 17:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting-1 on irc.freenode.net. Can https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/476 be added? Zbyszek -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall
On 9 December 2014 at 21:31, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Stephen John Smoogen wrote: In the end, this is a tempest in a teapot. The release is out and it is done. The release is out, but there are an expected 13 months of security updates, of which this ought to be the first. And as long as your actions come across as Your idiots and wrong it isn't going to happen. -- Stephen J Smoogen. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2014-12-10)
On 12/09/2014 07:22 PM, Tomas Hozza wrote: Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting Wednesday at 18:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto or run: date -d '2014-12-10 18:00 UTC' Links to all tickets below can be found at: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/report/9 = Followups = #topic #1349 Fedora 22 scheduling strategy (and beyond) .fesco 1349 https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1349 = New business = #topic #1370 requesting exception for linking include-what-you-use with llvm-static .fesco 1370 https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1370 #topic #1371 Nonresponsive maintainer: clockfor .fesco 1371 https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1371 = Open Floor = For more complete details, please visit each individual ticket. The report of the agenda items can be found at https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/report/9 If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can reply to this e-mail, file a new ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/fesco, e-mail me directly, or bring it up at the end of the meeting, during the open floor topic. Note that added topics may be deferred until the following meeting. === #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2014-12-10) === Meeting started by thozza at 18:00:43 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-12-10/fesco.2014-12-10-18.00.log.html . Meeting summary --- * init process (thozza, 18:00:44) * init process (thozza, 18:01:17) * #1349 Fedora 22 scheduling strategy (and beyond) (thozza, 18:07:31) * AGREED: Postpone the ticket to next week's meeting since mattdm can't attend today's meeting (+6, 0, -0) (thozza, 18:12:07) * #1370 requesting exception for linking include-what-you-use with llvm-static (thozza, 18:12:18) * AGREED: close and ask them to talk to FPC? (+5, 0, -0) (thozza, 18:18:35) * #1371 Nonresponsive maintainer: clockfor (thozza, 18:18:43) * AGREED: Reassign python-pyudev to dshea (+5, 0, -0) (thozza, 18:20:51) * Next week's chair (thozza, 18:21:12) * nirik to chair next week's meeting (thozza, 18:23:04) * Open Floor (thozza, 18:23:14) * FESCo thanks everyone for great Fedora 21 release! (thozza, 18:24:08) Meeting ended at 18:26:43 UTC. Action Items Action Items, by person --- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --- * thozza (40) * nirik (9) * zodbot (8) * mattdm (7) * kalev (7) * sgallagh (6) * t8m (5) * jwboyer (3) * dgilmore (1) * mmaslano (0) * mitr (0) * stickster (0) * jwb (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Reminder: Fedora 19 end of life on 2015-01-06
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 15:18:52 -0500 Josh Boyer jwbo...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Dennis Gilmore den...@ausil.us wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greetings. This is a reminder email about the end of life process for Fedora 19. Fedora 19 will reach end of life on 2015-01-06, and no further updates will be pushed out after that time. Additionally, with the recent release of Fedora 21, no new packages will be added to the Fedora 19 collection. Do you know when the last day to submit updates for F19 is? I suppose realistically getting an update into updates-testing a week before would be required but I'd like to know when the last stable push will be. josh The last push will happen on Jan 5th so it will need to be requested for stable before then. Dennis -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJUiK+BAAoJEH7ltONmPFDRO1IP/RdME31wksBSjGAc9ycBhs1H wnV2B0tpOrHmNZ3oPxxqu7E/uPARWj56OtFOprVGjpQbCSlhWqfbpUNW5FwepZwe 4qVxe8tjlah12WhphLbzniNcFZoAl4SBzaDigr5Y4yXFYCdhOepSujiHxa94fL8b Be6GfiOUf8usyq0iW+j7a8CKSKlvumMhL48W6CEcu4Dr2q2RwnssEChoWHIIGDwB NfVaeOYmH7LjWA9wgomeD9qRequQJvtz6LklQbj9DF+uGgmUZ0FkeS0bOGYTBvZo QBtCCbZsX1Olw44gbCImH5NwT7Lw8gsvvo8hruK00HctQmXm6yDdWxsuw68b8lLb VjBtydcCdmxPN5WrfxbnVdJFqFpjvPgPE17IpQi90p5j0s/Y3yDlXf8cagrzGdr/ l09bHv9HEj+oZlmk54GHnSVJ+xiqBc7Xr9RwkAEFZhPxpIwkALDiLctNVfvtaCEM NA4EX4j+ia/d6tTwTSdgg45Kq8/SXBezqRzq/ofIk5KocudGW5cH548LsiABwTGs ZGaHxh++/QclIRDZ3YgbAC9xQyAFJSHVHDBYU6NlHAQhIZ1Erz8DJxaSVvGUBn12 68bbRMPvONpTuzkngOfAscfX9lWaVw/svf4G5Lz9w4H/V60m8Lsu8YDYGYulP6ps ku5K3laOiJw5zOdy/xJS =A1E/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
fedup FC20 - FC21 update conflicts
I have a fairly standard FC20 setup which I started upgrading by fedup --network 21 --product=workstation There were 109 packages for which there was no upgrade; 62 are *-debuginfo, 12 are from various oddball repos (adobe, simulavr, etc), but 36 are I believe regular Fedora Core 20 packages, including fairly important ones like 8 related to the R language. Two of those result in packaging conflicts and fedup warns about 'upgrade at your own risk': icedtea-web-1.5.2-0.fc20.x86_64 requires java-1.7.0-openjdk-1:1.7.0.71-2.5.3.0.fc20.x86_64 R-core-3.1.2-1.fc20.x86_64 requires tk-1:8.5.14-1.fc20.x86_64, tcl-1:8.5.14-1.fc20.x86_64, libicu-50.1.2-10.fc20.x86_64 I imagine there will be fc21 packages for those eventually, so should I file a bugzilla report on it, or go ahead with the install and wait for the new versions? If reporting, would it be against fedup or specific packages? yum list icedtea-web R-core java-1.7.0-openjdk tk tcl libicu returns: Loaded plugins: auto-update-debuginfo, langpacks, refresh-packagekit Installed Packages R-core.x86_64 3.1.2-1.fc20@updates icedtea-web.x86_64 1.5.2-0.fc20 @updates java-1.7.0-openjdk.x86_64 1:1.7.0.71-2.5.3.0.fc20@updates libicu.i686 50.1.2-10.fc20 installed libicu.x86_64 50.1.2-10.fc20 installed tcl.x86_64 1:8.5.14-1.fc20 installed tk.x86_64 1:8.5.14-1.fc20 installed -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: fedup FC20 - FC21 update conflicts
On 12/10/2014 01:36 PM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: I imagine there will be fc21 packages for those eventually, so should I file a bugzilla report on it, or go ahead with the install and wait for the new versions? If reporting, would it be against fedup or specific packages? Try adding --enablerepo=updates-testing to the fedup command line. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Poll: How users use DNF
W dniu 10.12.2014 o 01:48, Oron Peled pisze: I have several workstations/laptops with the same Fedora version (currently 20): * Downloading the same RPM's/DRPM's for each of these hosts is a huge waste. I am using web proxy on Synology NAS at home and all my Fedora machines use it for dnf/yum fetching. With on-disk cache set to 10GB it makes all system upgrades and mock builds very fast. Used apt-cacher-ng before went to Fedora. Still miss it. Especially connected with 'check-for-aptcacherng-over-avahi' plugin. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Poll: How users use DNF
On 12/10/2014 02:09 PM, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: I am using web proxy on Synology NAS at home and all my Fedora machines use it for dnf/yum fetching. With on-disk cache set to 10GB it makes all system upgrades and mock builds very fast. How does the proxy work with the various mirrors? Do you have client side settings to deal with that? I wrote my own proxy in python that is specifically for yum and matches filenames from any url. It's quite a hack and fails once in a while, but it saves me a huge amount of time and bandwidth with the large amount of Fedora computers I manage. I suppose I could mirror the whole thing locally, but this way I only download the packages I need as I need them. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Reminder: Fedora 19 end of life on 2015-01-06
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Dennis Gilmore den...@ausil.us wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 15:18:52 -0500 Josh Boyer jwbo...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Dennis Gilmore den...@ausil.us wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greetings. This is a reminder email about the end of life process for Fedora 19. Fedora 19 will reach end of life on 2015-01-06, and no further updates will be pushed out after that time. Additionally, with the recent release of Fedora 21, no new packages will be added to the Fedora 19 collection. Do you know when the last day to submit updates for F19 is? I suppose realistically getting an update into updates-testing a week before would be required but I'd like to know when the last stable push will be. josh The last push will happen on Jan 5th so it will need to be requested for stable before then. Excellent, thanks. josh -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Workstation Product defaults to wide-open firewall
On 10 December 2014 at 11:47, Bastien Nocera bnoc...@redhat.com wrote: - Original Message - On 10 December 2014 at 00:43, Bastien Nocera bnoc...@redhat.com wrote: - Original Message - On 9 December 2014 at 13:47, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 01:11:33PM +, Ian Malone wrote: have a proposal for a new spin focused on privacy and security — the Netizen Spin. (If you're interested, I think that could use additional contributors.) I was under the impression spins were to be phased out. I could be wrong, the discussion was about the time of the product proposal. That's wrong; the clear outcome of that discussion was that we want to keep them, and provide more flexiblity and opportunity for spins maintainers as well. Well that's some good news to come out of this at least. Everyone knows that there are improvements to be made, but it's _not_ an easy problem. Contributions are welcome towards making that better for F22 and beyond. (Use cases. Design mockups. Code) Rather time poor at the moment and not a gnome developer unfortunately. Does rather sound like things like rygel need fixed, but as I have no intention of ever using it I'm not highly motivated to do something about it. Just like Reindl you make the mistake of thinking that rygel needs to be fixed or that it's the only service impacted by this scheme. It's not, and it was pointed out in earlier mails. You're sniping at me now, and making assumptions. So I get to do this, please read the fedora code of conduct and be awesome! http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Given the amount of time I've thrown into this dead-end thread, I think I'm already pretty awesome. I have skimmed the links you listed. Like I said, time poor. You'll accuse me of being rude again, but if you can't read 3 pages of text because of the lack of time, maybe spending that time throwing factually and technically incorrect suggestions on the list shouldn't top of your TODO list. Well, there are different levels I suppose. There's, I don't have time before work to read through three pages of chaff AND COMMENTS in detail. As it turned out the only salient point was in a comment. The rest was pretty irrelevant. There's, I don't have time in the foreseeable future to spend learning sufficient information about the internals of the various systems to help out with this particular problem. There's, I used to spend time doing spin QA, but hardware requirements are currently such that I can't virtualise recent releases and don't have time for bare metal testing which may change in the new year. And there's, I do have time to respond to an email accusing me of making factually and technically incorrect suggestions. Because I'd have walked away at this point if you hadn't felt like padding out your wonderful life coaching. (I note that I'm a saddo who doesn't know how to manage time, but you're awesome for spending time on exactly the same thread.) You answered precisely half of this: I see no explanation of why rygel needs a random port or why it cannot supply that information to firewalld. The same goes for any others that have random ports. Because that's the mechanism the kernel offers for applications when selecting a port isn't important, the high port isn't defined by the IANA, and the specs (DLNA/UPnP in this case) don't force particular ports to be opened. Even if we chose static ports for those (or rather port ranges, because if you have multiple users running, you'd need multiple ports), leaving only those ports opened wouldn't stop other random applications from choosing those ports to do something nefarious. You're just limiting the availability of ports without increasing security. There's no predefined port. So rather than picking one, which would be perfectly possible, any port is asked for. Yes, limiting it to one means only one user can use it without changing those scary settings, but how often is that actually done? Having the other ports closed prevents unintentional exposure and also makes life harder for any nefarious use. But this has all been pointed out already. It also, if I understand correctly, means policies could be shipped with the package. But if you really want to use a random port, this is what firewalld was for, dynamic firewall changes. In fact, a quick google finds this bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=626188 Which was showing progress towards rygel being able to do that. But it's been closed 'next release', because apparently the ports above 1024 have been unblocked in the firewall. Except this is not a fix, as (as we've learned) it doesn't apply to Fedora other than Desktop and Cloud. That's an interesting move, perhaps you would like to suggest a 'fixed in product X' resolution for use in future. -- imalone http://ibmalone.blogspot.co.uk --
Re: fedup speed
Josh Stone writes: On 12/10/2014 11:18 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: 2. at the end, fedup creates a log by running 'journalctl -a -m', which is --all --merge. This seems a bit excessive. On this machine I have 4.5 GB of logs from this machine, plus a few GB more from other sources. journalctl is not very fast (which is another issue), but even if it was, dumping all this is bound to be slow, and not particularly useful. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1161366 In the meantime, how about adding a blurb to known issues, giving the systemd-fu to flush all logs, before running fedup? pgpTIFzwp6BoB.pgp Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Other download options
Reindl Harald composed on 2014-12-10 13:54 (UTC+0100): Maros Zatko composed: I've noticed that other download options besides LIVE images are now gone from the website. Can you please explain how should (normal) user find non-LIVE image links there? I know this has been (probably intentionally) obfuscated before. Please put it back, even as obfuscated as it used to be. Or wanting to have a choice is too much? why not just scroll down? there is a big Download list in the footer Nothing in that footer, except the amount of whitespace, is big. The caps heading the footer columns are smaller than default size, which masked by gray on gray, are barely big enough to even find. Get Fedora Workstation Get Fedora Server Get Fedora Cloud Fedora Spins Are there really people not already familiar with Fedora who would have any clue what spin means in the context used? Torrent Downloads I don't know about others who think more logically than artistically, but when I'm looking for *important* information, like how to actually acquire that which the page is about, I don't look for or expect to find it hiding in gray on gray mousetype[1] in the /same/ (gray) block at the bottom of a page where normal people expect to find unimportant copyright legalese. Without having assimilated its preceding description of workstation, or already being familiar with Fedora, I can perceive nothing in that list that states or implies general purpose or generic or basic or play. Actions speak louder than words. The need to zoom 3X-6X to reach legible a legible state belies polished, easy to use. [1] here, ~42.25% the size of text that would likely be optimal only if black on white, closer to 20% of optimal size with the low contrast level actually used -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Other download options
Michael Catanzaro composed on 2014-12-10 18:37 (UTC+0100): On Wed, 2014-12-10 at 09:52 -0700, Jerry James wrote: I guess I could go with one of the spins, but I don't see a GNOME spin anywhere. Is there really no DVD image for a generic GNOME desktop install? This would be redundant with Fedora Workstation. Workstation is what you want to download. We want it to be great for developers, but it's not for developers only: your confusion indicates that we have not been successful at marketing it as such. +1 -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Selinux and pbuilder
Hi, Before digging around more, though I'd check here if some debian+selinux experienced person has any ideas... I'm encountering two kinds of failure when using pbuilder which seem selinux related: - When building packages for newer releases (i.e. Ubuntu = trusty), pbuilder used to fail with [...] dpkg: error processing archive package_name.deb (--unpack): cannot get security labeling handle: No such file or directory [...] This looked like upstream [1], at the end of which it was suggested to bind-mount /sys/fs/selinux into the pbuilder chroot and remount it read-only. Did so, and things worked, horray. - Today I built the package for an older release, and now, with selinux mounted read-only, it fails with [...] I: Extracting source Password: su: Authentication failure E: pbuilder: Failed extracting the source [...] Reverting the patch applied to fix the first problem (or even just not remounting read-only), things work again for the older releases, but clearly not anymore for the newer releases. There are a few reports of similar problems here and there ([2], old and fixed; [3], not relevant here, since /selinux is being mounted); [4], old an related to pam), but nothing recent or particularly revealing. So in short: mounting read-only works for ubuntu = trusty but breaks older, and mounting read-write works for older but breaks ubuntu = trusty. (Same most likely applies to newish vs oldish debian, haven't tested though). So... Any one with any ideas? And heads up: I got overexcited with the fix for the first issue and already built a patched pbuilder, so if you are using pbuilder-0.215-12 from rawhide, f21+testing or f20+testing, building packages for older releases will currently fail. To work around, just comment/uncomment line 280 of /usr/lib/pbuilder/pbuilder-modules as necessary. Thanks, Sandro [1] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=734193 [2] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=384389 [3] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=506917 [4] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shadow/+bug/22739 -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Other download options
Am 11.12.2014 um 00:58 schrieb Felix Miata: Reindl Harald composed on 2014-12-10 13:54 (UTC+0100): Maros Zatko composed: I've noticed that other download options besides LIVE images are now gone from the website. Can you please explain how should (normal) user find non-LIVE image links there? I know this has been (probably intentionally) obfuscated before. Please put it back, even as obfuscated as it used to be. Or wanting to have a choice is too much? why not just scroll down? there is a big Download list in the footer Nothing in that footer, except the amount of whitespace, is big. The caps heading the footer columns are smaller than default size, which masked by gray on gray, are barely big enough to even find. the DOWNLOADS is big, see screenshot frankly i have a cornea implant and a plastic lens on both eyes Get Fedora Workstation Get Fedora Server Get Fedora Cloud Fedora Spins Are there really people not already familiar with Fedora who would have any clue what spin means in the context used? Torrent Downloads I don't know about others who think more logically than artistically, but when I'm looking for *important* information, like how to actually acquire that which the page is about, I don't look for or expect to find it hiding in gray on gray mousetype[1] in the /same/ (gray) block at the bottom of a page where normal people expect to find unimportant copyright legalese. well, one can also click on Workstation - Download now Without having assimilated its preceding description of workstation, or already being familiar with Fedora, I can perceive nothing in that list that states or implies general purpose or generic or basic or play. easy to use operating system for alptop and desktop computers is lcear Actions speak louder than words. The need to zoom 3X-6X to reach legible a legible state belies polished, easy to use. no need to zoom anything and as said my eyes are really not good [1] here, ~42.25% the size of text that would likely be optimal only if black on white, closer to 20% of optimal size with the low contrast level actually used really? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Other download options
uhm - wrong screenshot in previous message :-( Am 11.12.2014 um 01:06 schrieb Reindl Harald: Am 11.12.2014 um 00:58 schrieb Felix Miata: Reindl Harald composed on 2014-12-10 13:54 (UTC+0100): Maros Zatko composed: I've noticed that other download options besides LIVE images are now gone from the website. Can you please explain how should (normal) user find non-LIVE image links there? I know this has been (probably intentionally) obfuscated before. Please put it back, even as obfuscated as it used to be. Or wanting to have a choice is too much? why not just scroll down? there is a big Download list in the footer Nothing in that footer, except the amount of whitespace, is big. The caps heading the footer columns are smaller than default size, which masked by gray on gray, are barely big enough to even find. the DOWNLOADS is big, see screenshot frankly i have a cornea implant and a plastic lens on both eyes Get Fedora Workstation Get Fedora Server Get Fedora Cloud Fedora Spins Are there really people not already familiar with Fedora who would have any clue what spin means in the context used? Torrent Downloads I don't know about others who think more logically than artistically, but when I'm looking for *important* information, like how to actually acquire that which the page is about, I don't look for or expect to find it hiding in gray on gray mousetype[1] in the /same/ (gray) block at the bottom of a page where normal people expect to find unimportant copyright legalese. well, one can also click on Workstation - Download now Without having assimilated its preceding description of workstation, or already being familiar with Fedora, I can perceive nothing in that list that states or implies general purpose or generic or basic or play. easy to use operating system for alptop and desktop computers is lcear Actions speak louder than words. The need to zoom 3X-6X to reach legible a legible state belies polished, easy to use. no need to zoom anything and as said my eyes are really not good [1] here, ~42.25% the size of text that would likely be optimal only if black on white, closer to 20% of optimal size with the low contrast level actually used really? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Selinux and pbuilder
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Sandro Mani manisan...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Before digging around more, though I'd check here if some debian+selinux experienced person has any ideas... I'm encountering two kinds of failure when using pbuilder which seem selinux related: - When building packages for newer releases (i.e. Ubuntu = trusty), pbuilder used to fail with [...] dpkg: error processing archive package_name.deb (--unpack): cannot get security labeling handle: No such file or directory [...] This looked like upstream [1], at the end of which it was suggested to bind-mount /sys/fs/selinux into the pbuilder chroot and remount it read-only. Did so, and things worked, horray. - Today I built the package for an older release, and now, with selinux mounted read-only, it fails with [...] I: Extracting source Password: su: Authentication failure Hmm. Can you run setpriv -d inside your chroot and see what it says? You could also try running su directly and confirming that it works. --Andy E: pbuilder: Failed extracting the source [...] Reverting the patch applied to fix the first problem (or even just not remounting read-only), things work again for the older releases, but clearly not anymore for the newer releases. There are a few reports of similar problems here and there ([2], old and fixed; [3], not relevant here, since /selinux is being mounted); [4], old an related to pam), but nothing recent or particularly revealing. So in short: mounting read-only works for ubuntu = trusty but breaks older, and mounting read-write works for older but breaks ubuntu = trusty. (Same most likely applies to newish vs oldish debian, haven't tested though). So... Any one with any ideas? And heads up: I got overexcited with the fix for the first issue and already built a patched pbuilder, so if you are using pbuilder-0.215-12 from rawhide, f21+testing or f20+testing, building packages for older releases will currently fail. To work around, just comment/uncomment line 280 of /usr/lib/pbuilder/pbuilder-modules as necessary. Thanks, Sandro [1] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=734193 [2] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=384389 [3] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=506917 [4] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shadow/+bug/22739 -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: fedup speed
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 06:51:51PM -0500, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Josh Stone writes: On 12/10/2014 11:18 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: 2. at the end, fedup creates a log by running 'journalctl -a -m', which is --all --merge. This seems a bit excessive. On this machine I have 4.5 GB of logs from this machine, plus a few GB more from other sources. journalctl is not very fast (which is another issue), but even if it was, dumping all this is bound to be slow, and not particularly useful. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1161366 In the meantime, how about adding a blurb to known issues, giving the systemd-fu to flush all logs, before running fedup? Is the (almost complete) fix from https://github.com/wgwoods/fedup-dracut/commit/cde5f2d in F20 fedup? If yes, then it wouldn't be necessary to add this to know issues. Zbyszek -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Other download options
[ re: https://getfedora.org/ ] Reindl Harald composed on 2014-12-11 01:06 (UTC+0100): Felix Miata composed: Actions speak louder than words. The need to zoom 3X-6X to reach legible a legible state belies polished, easy to use. no need to zoom anything and as said my eyes are really not good Your image hasn't presented anything useful, because you offered insufficient context to know what it is that you see when you look at what you captured. All we know is my eyes are not really good, whatever that means. We have no idea what your screen size is, what your resolution is, or what the distance between eyes and screen is. IOW, the physical size presented to you is utterly absent. Thus there is no basis for us to determine whether what you see would be legible outside of your personal viewspace. [1] here, ~42.25% the size of text that would likely be optimal only if black on white, closer to 20% of optimal size with the low contrast level actually used really? Really! Here is your image as presented to me, placed at its intrinsic size into the context of what is presented to me here by my display. In order to actually be presented with what is presented to my eyes, one must view these images with adequate context reproduced locally. At a minimum, such context requires viewing the following images such that a ruler can be put on the display screen to measure the incorporated sizing blocks at exactly the widths indicated. Each needs to be 1 wide (aka 25.4mm) neither more, nor less. http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/Fedora/fedoget1412-1440-144.jpg (144 DPI) http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/Fedora/fedoget1412-2048-120.jpg (120 DPI) What I was actually looking at while composing my previous thread message, and this, more closely approximates the latter, in that this screen's density is a direct match, while the former is from a 20% higher density screen. Yet higher density screens are fairly common now. Those using them and not applying defensive measures (e.g. zoom, disabled site styles, minimum font size) can be expected to be experiencing even poorer legibility on loading getfedora.org. To provide yourself context very roughly similar to that used to make those captures, load http://fm.no-ip.com/Tmp/sc-fedoget1412.html into a Gecko or KHTML web browser. If your screen density isn't a match to either of those used to make those images, you still won't be presented with what is presented here. That's because the size of a pixel depends on screen density, which is *a* reason why CSS should never size text or text containers in px, as getfedora.org and most of the rest of the web are doing. As to the sizes I wrote previously, 42.25% was calculated as follows: Browser optimal (aka default, as personalized) size: 20px nominal 12pt physical Text size produced by page CSS on the list items in the bottom columns: 13px nominal 7.8pt physical *Physical* relationship between actual default *size* and actual text *size*: 7.8^2 / 12^2 = .4225 So, yes, really! -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: Other download options
Sorry to cut in, but whom can I contact about localization issues with the getfedora.org website? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: fedup speed
On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 4:37 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek zbys...@in.waw.pl wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 06:51:51PM -0500, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Josh Stone writes: On 12/10/2014 11:18 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: 2. at the end, fedup creates a log by running 'journalctl -a -m', which is --all --merge. This seems a bit excessive. On this machine I have 4.5 GB of logs from this machine, plus a few GB more from other sources. journalctl is not very fast (which is another issue), but even if it was, dumping all this is bound to be slow, and not particularly useful. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1161366 In the meantime, how about adding a blurb to known issues, giving the systemd-fu to flush all logs, before running fedup? Is the (almost complete) fix from https://github.com/wgwoods/fedup-dracut/commit/cde5f2d in F20 fedup? No. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
[perl-Archive-Tar] Remove unneeded dependencies
commit d1cc558f9e53f0e41f62190d4fd0cb7008ae71c0
Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com
Date: Wed Dec 10 12:52:23 2014 +0100
Remove unneeded dependencies
perl-Archive-Tar.spec | 58 +++-
1 files changed, 42 insertions(+), 16 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/perl-Archive-Tar.spec b/perl-Archive-Tar.spec
index fbbae77..5ac5172 100644
--- a/perl-Archive-Tar.spec
+++ b/perl-Archive-Tar.spec
@@ -1,6 +1,6 @@
Name: perl-Archive-Tar
Version:2.02
-Release:1%{?dist}
+Release:2%{?dist}
Summary:A module for Perl manipulation of .tar files
Group: Development/Libraries
License:GPL+ or Artistic
@@ -10,38 +10,61 @@ BuildArch: noarch
# Most of the BRS are needed only for tests, compression support at run-time
# is optional soft dependency.
BuildRequires: perl
-BuildRequires: perl(Carp)
-BuildRequires: perl(Compress::Zlib) = 2.015
BuildRequires: perl(Config)
+BuildRequires: perl(ExtUtils::MakeMaker)
+# File::Copy not used
+BuildRequires: perl(Getopt::Std)
+BuildRequires: perl(strict)
+# Run-time:
+BuildRequires: perl(Carp)
BuildRequires: perl(constant)
BuildRequires: perl(Cwd)
BuildRequires: perl(Data::Dumper)
BuildRequires: perl(Exporter)
-BuildRequires: perl(ExtUtils::MakeMaker)
BuildRequires: perl(File::Basename)
BuildRequires: perl(File::Find)
-BuildRequires: perl(File::Spec)
-BuildRequires: perl(File::Spec::Unix)
BuildRequires: perl(File::Path)
-BuildRequires: perl(FindBin)
-BuildRequires: perl(Getopt::Std)
-BuildRequires: perl(IO::Compress::Base) = 2.015
-BuildRequires: perl(IO::Compress::Bzip2) = 2.015
-BuildRequires: perl(IO::Compress::Gzip) = 2.015
+BuildRequires: perl(File::Spec) = 0.82
+BuildRequires: perl(File::Spec::Unix)
+BuildRequires: perl(Getopt::Long)
BuildRequires: perl(IO::File)
-BuildRequires: perl(IO::String)
+BuildRequires: perl(IO::Handle)
BuildRequires: perl(IO::Zlib) = 1.01
+BuildRequires: perl(Pod::Usage)
+# Time::Local not used on Linux
+BuildRequires: perl(vars)
+BuildRequires: perl(warnings)
+# Optional run-time:
+BuildRequires: perl(IO::Compress::Bzip2) = 2.015
+# IO::String not used if perl supports useperlio which is true
+# Use Compress::Zlib's version for IO::Uncompress::Bunzip2
+BuildRequires: perl(IO::Uncompress::Bunzip2) = 2.015
+%if !%{defined perl_bootstrap}
+BuildRequires: perl(Text::Diff)
+%endif
+# Tests:
+BuildRequires: perl(File::Copy)
+BuildRequires: perl(FindBin)
BuildRequires: perl(lib)
-BuildRequires: perl(strict)
BuildRequires: perl(Test::Harness) = 2.26
BuildRequires: perl(Test::More)
+# Optional tests:
%if !%{defined perl_bootstrap}
-BuildRequires: perl(Test::Pod)
+BuildRequires: perl(Test::Pod) = 0.95
%endif
-BuildRequires: perl(vars)
Requires: perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_%(eval `perl -V:version`; echo $version))
-Requires: perl(Compress::Zlib) = 2.015
Requires: perl(IO::Zlib) = 1.01
+# Optional run-time:
+Requires: perl(IO::Compress::Bzip2) = 2.015
+# IO::String not used if perl supports useperlio which is true
+# Use Compress::Zlib's version for IO::Uncompress::Bunzip2
+Requires: perl(IO::Uncompress::Bunzip2) = 2.015
+%if !%{defined perl_bootstrap}
+Requires: perl(Text::Diff)
+%endif
+
+# Remove under-specified dependencies
+%global __requires_exclude
%{?__requires_exclude:%__requires_exclude|}^perl\\(IO::Zlib\\)$
%description
Archive::Tar provides an object oriented mechanism for handling tar
@@ -74,6 +97,9 @@ make test
%changelog
+* Wed Dec 10 2014 Petr Pisar ppi...@redhat.com - 2.02-2
+- Remove unneeded dependencies
+
* Thu Sep 18 2014 Jitka Plesnikova jples...@redhat.com - 2.02-1
- 2.02 bump
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[perl-Archive-Tar] Remove annoying sleep after warnings in the build script
commit d3e429cf2d420eba7ab51aca76a42b351ffdc8bc
Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com
Date: Wed Dec 10 13:14:43 2014 +0100
Remove annoying sleep after warnings in the build script
Archive-Tar-2.02-Do-not-sleep-in-Makefile.PL.patch | 28
perl-Archive-Tar.spec |4 +++
2 files changed, 32 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/Archive-Tar-2.02-Do-not-sleep-in-Makefile.PL.patch
b/Archive-Tar-2.02-Do-not-sleep-in-Makefile.PL.patch
new file mode 100644
index 000..bd3c484
--- /dev/null
+++ b/Archive-Tar-2.02-Do-not-sleep-in-Makefile.PL.patch
@@ -0,0 +1,28 @@
+From a027043170603c360605dd2129dbf37b9fd820d8 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
+From: =?UTF-8?q?Petr=20P=C3=ADsa=C5=99?= ppi...@redhat.com
+Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 13:12:47 +0100
+Subject: [PATCH] Do not sleep in Makefile.PL
+MIME-Version: 1.0
+Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
+Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
+
+Signed-off-by: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com
+---
+ Makefile.PL | 1 -
+ 1 file changed, 1 deletion(-)
+
+diff --git a/Makefile.PL b/Makefile.PL
+index fe093bd..b9cd6ea 100644
+--- a/Makefile.PL
b/Makefile.PL
+@@ -105,7 +105,6 @@ sub _scripts {
+ ###
+
+ WARNING
+- sleep 10;
+ }
+ }
+ return @scripts;
+--
+1.9.3
+
diff --git a/perl-Archive-Tar.spec b/perl-Archive-Tar.spec
index 5ac5172..32cb2ea 100644
--- a/perl-Archive-Tar.spec
+++ b/perl-Archive-Tar.spec
@@ -6,6 +6,8 @@ Group: Development/Libraries
License:GPL+ or Artistic
URL:http://search.cpan.org/dist/Archive-Tar/
Source0:
http://www.cpan.org/authors/id/B/BI/BINGOS/Archive-Tar-%{version}.tar.gz
+# Remove annoying sleep after warnings in the build script
+Patch0: Archive-Tar-2.02-Do-not-sleep-in-Makefile.PL.patch
BuildArch: noarch
# Most of the BRS are needed only for tests, compression support at run-time
# is optional soft dependency.
@@ -75,6 +77,7 @@ will also support compressed or gzipped tar files.
%prep
%setup -q -n Archive-Tar-%{version}
+%patch0 -p1
%build
perl Makefile.PL INSTALLDIRS=vendor
@@ -99,6 +102,7 @@ make test
%changelog
* Wed Dec 10 2014 Petr Pisar ppi...@redhat.com - 2.02-2
- Remove unneeded dependencies
+- Remove annoying sleep after warnings in the build script
* Thu Sep 18 2014 Jitka Plesnikova jples...@redhat.com - 2.02-1
- 2.02 bump
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File DBIx-Class-EncodedColumn-0.00013.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by psabata
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[perl-DBIx-Class-EncodedColumn] 0.00013 bump
commit 7f6cb6f12ad20adb062f9ef98ce416afa9708a3f
Author: Petr Šabata con...@redhat.com
Date: Wed Dec 10 13:19:21 2014 +0100
0.00013 bump
.gitignore |1 +
perl-DBIx-Class-EncodedColumn.spec | 65 +++-
sources|2 +-
3 files changed, 44 insertions(+), 24 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/.gitignore b/.gitignore
index eada9b7..998ae07 100644
--- a/.gitignore
+++ b/.gitignore
@@ -1,3 +1,4 @@
DBIx-Class-EncodedColumn-0.9.tar.gz
/DBIx-Class-EncodedColumn-0.00010.tar.gz
/DBIx-Class-EncodedColumn-0.00011.tar.gz
+/DBIx-Class-EncodedColumn-0.00013.tar.gz
diff --git a/perl-DBIx-Class-EncodedColumn.spec
b/perl-DBIx-Class-EncodedColumn.spec
index 1b05660..4ebedd2 100644
--- a/perl-DBIx-Class-EncodedColumn.spec
+++ b/perl-DBIx-Class-EncodedColumn.spec
@@ -1,25 +1,47 @@
Name: perl-DBIx-Class-EncodedColumn
-Version:0.00011
-Release:9%{?dist}
+Version:0.00013
+Release:1%{?dist}
Summary:Automatically encode columns
License:GPL+ or Artistic
-Group: Development/Libraries
URL:http://search.cpan.org/dist/DBIx-Class-EncodedColumn/
Source0:
http://search.cpan.org/CPAN/authors/id/W/WR/WREIS/DBIx-Class-EncodedColumn-%{version}.tar.gz
BuildArch: noarch
+# Build
+BuildRequires: perl
+BuildRequires: perl(base)
+BuildRequires: perl(Carp)
+BuildRequires: perl(Config)
+BuildRequires: perl(CPAN)
+BuildRequires: perl(Cwd)
+BuildRequires: perl(ExtUtils::MakeMaker) = 6.76
+BuildRequires: perl(ExtUtils::MM_Unix)
+BuildRequires: perl(Fcntl)
+BuildRequires: perl(File::Find)
+BuildRequires: perl(File::Path)
+BuildRequires: perl(File::Spec)
+BuildRequires: perl(strict)
+BuildRequires: perl(vars)
+BuildRequires: perl(warnings)
+# Runtime
BuildRequires: perl(Crypt::Eksblowfish::Bcrypt)
-BuildRequires: perl(DBD::SQLite)
-BuildRequires: perl(DBIx::Class) = 0.06002
+# Unused BuildRequires: perl(Crypt::OpenPGP)
+BuildRequires: perl(DBIx::Class)
+BuildRequires: perl(DBIx::Class::Core)
+BuildRequires: perl(DBIx::Class::Schema)
+BuildRequires: perl(Digest)
BuildRequires: perl(Digest::SHA)
+BuildRequires: perl(Encode)
+BuildRequires: perl(Sub::Name)
+# Tests only
+BuildRequires: perl(DBD::SQLite)
BuildRequires: perl(Dir::Self)
-BuildRequires: perl(ExtUtils::MakeMaker)
-BuildRequires: perl(SQL::Translator) = 0.11002
-BuildRequires: perl(Sub::Name) = 0.04
+BuildRequires: perl(File::Temp)
+BuildRequires: perl(lib)
BuildRequires: perl(Test::Exception)
BuildRequires: perl(Test::More)
-Requires: perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_%(eval `%{__perl} -V:version`; echo
$version))
-# undetected
-Requires: perl(DBIx::Class)
+BuildRequires: perl(utf8)
+Requires: perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_%(eval $(perl -V:version); echo
$version))
+Requires: perl(Digest::SHA)
%{?perl_default_filter}
@@ -29,34 +51,31 @@ contents whenever the value of that column is set.
%prep
%setup -q -n DBIx-Class-EncodedColumn-%{version}
-
-sed -i -e '/auto_install/d' Makefile.PL
-
-# no Crypt::OpenPGP in Fedora
+# Crypt::OpenPGP is not available in Fedora.
+# It cannot be packaged because its dependency, Crypt::RIPEMD160,
+# cannot be packaged. See rhbz#182235.
rm lib/DBIx/Class/EncodedColumn/Crypt/OpenPGP.pm
%build
-%{__perl} Makefile.PL INSTALLDIRS=vendor
+perl Makefile.PL INSTALLDIRS=vendor NO_PACKLIST=1
make %{?_smp_mflags}
%install
-make pure_install DESTDIR=$RPM_BUILD_ROOT
-
-find $RPM_BUILD_ROOT -type f -name .packlist -exec rm -f {} \;
-find $RPM_BUILD_ROOT -depth -type d -exec rmdir {} 2/dev/null \;
-
-%{_fixperms} $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/*
+make pure_install DESTDIR=%{buildroot}
+%{_fixperms} %{buildroot}/*
%check
make test
%files
-%defattr(-,root,root,-)
%doc Changes README
%{perl_vendorlib}/DBIx/Class/*
%{_mandir}/man3/*
%changelog
+* Wed Dec 10 2014 Petr Šabata con...@redhat.com - 0.00013-1
+- 0.00013 bump
+
* Mon Sep 01 2014 Jitka Plesnikova jples...@redhat.com - 0.00011-9
- Perl 5.20 rebuild
diff --git a/sources b/sources
index 7f8b40f..822f0e3 100644
--- a/sources
+++ b/sources
@@ -1 +1 @@
-dad54d7c4ff98c871e8fe66418c88c54 DBIx-Class-EncodedColumn-0.00011.tar.gz
+6c3bb0ee68be15ae26ce53cd60b5bbd9 DBIx-Class-EncodedColumn-0.00013.tar.gz
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[perl] Synchronize dependencies with perl-Archive-Tar
commit 232540c99205aacd483c1b9acdea207fcfc10c20
Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com
Date: Wed Dec 10 13:21:51 2014 +0100
Synchronize dependencies with perl-Archive-Tar
perl.spec | 12 ++--
1 files changed, 10 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
---
diff --git a/perl.spec b/perl.spec
index 3ee0461..a6a301e 100644
--- a/perl.spec
+++ b/perl.spec
@@ -316,9 +316,17 @@ Group: Development/Libraries
License:GPL+ or Artistic
Epoch: 0
Version:1.96
-Requires: %perl_compat
-Requires: perl(Compress::Zlib), perl(IO::Zlib)
BuildArch: noarch
+Requires: %perl_compat
+Requires: perl(IO::Zlib) = 1.01
+# Optional run-time:
+Requires: perl(IO::Compress:::Bzip2) = 2.015
+# IO::String not used if perl supports useperlio which is true
+# Use Compress::Zlib's version for IO::Uncompress::Bunzip2
+Requires: perl(IO::Uncompress::Bunzip2) = 2.015
+%if !%{defined perl_bootstrap}
+Requires: perl(Text::Diff)
+%endif
%description Archive-Tar
Archive::Tar provides an object oriented mechanism for handling tar files. It
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[Bug 1163222] perl-DBIx-Class-EncodedColumn-0.00013 is available
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1163222 Petr Šabata psab...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|ASSIGNED|CLOSED Fixed In Version||perl-DBIx-Class-EncodedColu ||mn-0.00013-1.fc22 Resolution|--- |RAWHIDE Last Closed||2014-12-10 07:38:34 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. Unsubscribe from this bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/token.cgi?t=GMD3D4dYYAa=cc_unsubscribe -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/perl-devel
[Bug 1172617] New: perl-App-cpanminus-1.7020 is available
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1172617 Bug ID: 1172617 Summary: perl-App-cpanminus-1.7020 is available Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Component: perl-App-cpanminus Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged Assignee: jples...@redhat.com Reporter: upstream-release-monitor...@fedoraproject.org QA Contact: extras...@fedoraproject.org CC: jples...@redhat.com, perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Latest upstream release: 1.7020 Current version/release in Fedora Rawhide: 1.7019-1.fc22 URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/App-cpanminus/ Please consult the package updates policy before you issue an update to a stable branch: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Updates_Policy More information about the service that created this bug can be found at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upstream_release_monitoring Soon this service will be implemented by a new system: https://release-monitoring.org/ It will require to manage monitored projects via a new web interface. Please make yourself familiar with the new system to ease the transition. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. Unsubscribe from this bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/token.cgi?t=03P4cvtVN1a=cc_unsubscribe -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/perl-devel
[Bug 1172620] New: perl-CPAN-Perl-Releases-2.00 is available
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1172620 Bug ID: 1172620 Summary: perl-CPAN-Perl-Releases-2.00 is available Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Component: perl-CPAN-Perl-Releases Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged Assignee: psab...@redhat.com Reporter: upstream-release-monitor...@fedoraproject.org QA Contact: extras...@fedoraproject.org CC: iarn...@gmail.com, perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org, psab...@redhat.com Latest upstream release: 2.00 Current version/release in Fedora Rawhide: 1.98-1.fc22 URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/CPAN-Perl-Releases/ Please consult the package updates policy before you issue an update to a stable branch: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Updates_Policy More information about the service that created this bug can be found at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upstream_release_monitoring Soon this service will be implemented by a new system: https://release-monitoring.org/ It will require to manage monitored projects via a new web interface. Please make yourself familiar with the new system to ease the transition. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. Unsubscribe from this bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/token.cgi?t=F8GLvbgxLAa=cc_unsubscribe -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/perl-devel
[Bug 1172621] New: perl-DBD-MySQL-4.029 is available
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1172621 Bug ID: 1172621 Summary: perl-DBD-MySQL-4.029 is available Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Component: perl-DBD-MySQL Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged Assignee: jples...@redhat.com Reporter: upstream-release-monitor...@fedoraproject.org QA Contact: extras...@fedoraproject.org CC: jples...@redhat.com, mmasl...@redhat.com, perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Latest upstream release: 4.029 Current version/release in Fedora Rawhide: 4.028-3.fc22 URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/DBD-mysql/ Please consult the package updates policy before you issue an update to a stable branch: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Updates_Policy More information about the service that created this bug can be found at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upstream_release_monitoring Soon this service will be implemented by a new system: https://release-monitoring.org/ It will require to manage monitored projects via a new web interface. Please make yourself familiar with the new system to ease the transition. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. Unsubscribe from this bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/token.cgi?t=lzlDcmKk01a=cc_unsubscribe -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/perl-devel
