Re: [RETRACTION] Re: Unofficial Poll: Flock 2015 (North America) Bids
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 04:59:45PM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: Right, I thought the point was the possibility of holding the conference slighly *later* if that improves EU folks' ability to attend. Just throwing this out there (not necessarily for this next summer), but I think _June_ works best with the Fedora release schedule and the original idea of having Flock as a post-release planning meeting. This year, the week after Labor Day (Sept. 7th), I have Jury Duty, which I already postponed from this year due to conflicting with this year's Flock. So... I have a strong preference for avoiding moving it to that week. :) -- Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org Fedora Project Leader -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: [RETRACTION] Re: Unofficial Poll: Flock 2015 (North America) Bids
On 24/09/14 19:54, Máirín Duffy wrote: E.g. in June, flights to Boston are US$ 850 vs US$ 1400 in August. Maybe it's a good idea to move the conference out of main holiday season? Are you located in EMEA or APAC? Because Flock alternates between North America and EMEA I think partially because of this reason... I missed last two Flocks, because they were in main holiday season. It's way easier for me to travel, when kids are in school. As one of the folks who put together a bid - I wasn't aware dates far outside of August were really an option - we definitely could have gotten much better rates outside of the high vacation season (late spring would have worked really well.) I was told going outside of the summer makes it more difficult for Europeans to travel because it falls outside of their vacation time. If this isn't the case and it makes it harder, I agree we need to re-evaluate the time of year for the conference. Thank you for putting this lovely bid together, it's really an exciting place. If there is the chance, please re-evaluate the time and e.g move it to late spring or early summer. Matthias -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: [RETRACTION] Re: Unofficial Poll: Flock 2015 (North America) Bids
On 09/25/2014 08:22 AM, Matthias Runge wrote: On 24/09/14 19:54, Máirín Duffy wrote: E.g. in June, flights to Boston are US$ 850 vs US$ 1400 in August. Maybe it's a good idea to move the conference out of main holiday season? Are you located in EMEA or APAC? Because Flock alternates between North America and EMEA I think partially because of this reason... I missed last two Flocks, because they were in main holiday season. It's way easier for me to travel, when kids are in school. Similar for me. Travel at least in EU is easier outside the main holiday seasons. Ralf -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: [RETRACTION] Re: Unofficial Poll: Flock 2015 (North America) Bids
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 09:50:14AM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 09/25/2014 08:22 AM, Matthias Runge wrote: On 24/09/14 19:54, Máirín Duffy wrote: E.g. in June, flights to Boston are US$ 850 vs US$ 1400 in August. Maybe it's a good idea to move the conference out of main holiday season? Are you located in EMEA or APAC? Because Flock alternates between North America and EMEA I think partially because of this reason... I missed last two Flocks, because they were in main holiday season. It's way easier for me to travel, when kids are in school. Similar for me. Travel at least in EU is easier outside the main holiday seasons. I was at least one of the people who mentioned the vacation wrinkle to Mo, which I had on hearsay. I'm sorry if that created any issue, and I'm happy to hear that people in the EU have flexibility outside summer. Would it be worth asking organizers to allow anyone who thought August was a harder requirement to update their bid? It should only take a few days and it's hard to think that would be make or break for deciding the winner. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: [RETRACTION] Re: Unofficial Poll: Flock 2015 (North America) Bids
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/25/2014 04:02 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 09:50:14AM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 09/25/2014 08:22 AM, Matthias Runge wrote: On 24/09/14 19:54, Máirín Duffy wrote: E.g. in June, flights to Boston are US$ 850 vs US$ 1400 in August. Maybe it's a good idea to move the conference out of main holiday season? Are you located in EMEA or APAC? Because Flock alternates between North America and EMEA I think partially because of this reason... I missed last two Flocks, because they were in main holiday season. It's way easier for me to travel, when kids are in school. Similar for me. Travel at least in EU is easier outside the main holiday seasons. I was at least one of the people who mentioned the vacation wrinkle to Mo, which I had on hearsay. I'm sorry if that created any issue, and I'm happy to hear that people in the EU have flexibility outside summer. Would it be worth asking organizers to allow anyone who thought August was a harder requirement to update their bid? It should only take a few days and it's hard to think that would be make or break for deciding the winner. If the end of August wasn't a hard requirement, then I actually have another bid that we ruled out because of that (University of Massachusetts at Lowell). If I put that together by tomorrow, is there still time? They weren't able to accommodate the end of August or early September due to returning students, but late July or early August would be wide open. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iEYEARECAAYFAlQkdy4ACgkQeiVVYja6o6OktACdHIcXXkEFuuaN/gfWqmsPb3w0 NxQAoIN8vmNY/ccY8cGMgyTyAK38iTh0 =85Y+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: [RETRACTION] Re: Unofficial Poll: Flock 2015 (North America) Bids
On Thu, 25 Sep 2014 16:12:30 -0400 Stephen Gallagher sgall...@redhat.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/25/2014 04:02 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 09:50:14AM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 09/25/2014 08:22 AM, Matthias Runge wrote: On 24/09/14 19:54, Máirín Duffy wrote: E.g. in June, flights to Boston are US$ 850 vs US$ 1400 in August. Maybe it's a good idea to move the conference out of main holiday season? Are you located in EMEA or APAC? Because Flock alternates between North America and EMEA I think partially because of this reason... I missed last two Flocks, because they were in main holiday season. It's way easier for me to travel, when kids are in school. Similar for me. Travel at least in EU is easier outside the main holiday seasons. I was at least one of the people who mentioned the vacation wrinkle to Mo, which I had on hearsay. I'm sorry if that created any issue, and I'm happy to hear that people in the EU have flexibility outside summer. Would it be worth asking organizers to allow anyone who thought August was a harder requirement to update their bid? It should only take a few days and it's hard to think that would be make or break for deciding the winner. If the end of August wasn't a hard requirement, then I actually have another bid that we ruled out because of that (University of Massachusetts at Lowell). If I put that together by tomorrow, is there still time? They weren't able to accommodate the end of August or early September due to returning students, but late July or early August would be wide open. Hi Stephen, late July or early August is much worse travel wise. That full holiday season and plane ticket prices skyrocket through the roof and availability is scarce. In my experience the months that are best (price-wise) for transatlantic (not sure if transpacific is similar) flights are March-June, October-November with exceptions of course (ie around Easter in bad for most US/Europe, and thanksgiving time it is bad for inbound US). Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: [RETRACTION] Re: Unofficial Poll: Flock 2015 (North America) Bids
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 04:45:54PM -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: On Thu, 25 Sep 2014 16:12:30 -0400 Stephen Gallagher sgall...@redhat.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/25/2014 04:02 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 09:50:14AM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 09/25/2014 08:22 AM, Matthias Runge wrote: On 24/09/14 19:54, Máirín Duffy wrote: E.g. in June, flights to Boston are US$ 850 vs US$ 1400 in August. Maybe it's a good idea to move the conference out of main holiday season? Are you located in EMEA or APAC? Because Flock alternates between North America and EMEA I think partially because of this reason... I missed last two Flocks, because they were in main holiday season. It's way easier for me to travel, when kids are in school. Similar for me. Travel at least in EU is easier outside the main holiday seasons. I was at least one of the people who mentioned the vacation wrinkle to Mo, which I had on hearsay. I'm sorry if that created any issue, and I'm happy to hear that people in the EU have flexibility outside summer. Would it be worth asking organizers to allow anyone who thought August was a harder requirement to update their bid? It should only take a few days and it's hard to think that would be make or break for deciding the winner. If the end of August wasn't a hard requirement, then I actually have another bid that we ruled out because of that (University of Massachusetts at Lowell). If I put that together by tomorrow, is there still time? They weren't able to accommodate the end of August or early September due to returning students, but late July or early August would be wide open. Hi Stephen, late July or early August is much worse travel wise. That full holiday season and plane ticket prices skyrocket through the roof and availability is scarce. In my experience the months that are best (price-wise) for transatlantic (not sure if transpacific is similar) flights are March-June, October-November with exceptions of course (ie around Easter in bad for most US/Europe, and thanksgiving time it is bad for inbound US). Right, I thought the point was the possibility of holding the conference slighly *later* if that improves EU folks' ability to attend. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: [RETRACTION] Re: Unofficial Poll: Flock 2015 (North America) Bids
On 09/23/2014 02:37 AM, Matthias Runge wrote: On 22/09/14 17:18, Haïkel wrote: Proposals are supposed to provide travel costs from pre-determined airports at the *targeted* period. If I trust informations from the proposals, SLC would be too expensive to cover travel expenses for EMEA folks. A brief look revealed, a trip e.g. to Cape Cod would cost (in August) at least US$ 2500 (cheap motel and a flight, not covering anything else). I assume, that's a bit over the limit? E.g. in June, flights to Boston are US$ 850 vs US$ 1400 in August. Maybe it's a good idea to move the conference out of main holiday season? Are you located in EMEA or APAC? Because Flock alternates between North America and EMEA I think partially because of this reason... As one of the folks who put together a bid - I wasn't aware dates far outside of August were really an option - we definitely could have gotten much better rates outside of the high vacation season (late spring would have worked really well.) I was told going outside of the summer makes it more difficult for Europeans to travel because it falls outside of their vacation time. If this isn't the case and it makes it harder, I agree we need to re-evaluate the time of year for the conference. Although I'm pretty sure it was moved to July/August in the first place because people complained about Fedora conferences mostly being in snowy places during the winter! You really can't win - bringing so many people from so many places together in one place requires a lot of compromise. ~m -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: [RETRACTION] Re: Unofficial Poll: Flock 2015 (North America) Bids
On 22/09/14 17:18, Haïkel wrote: Proposals are supposed to provide travel costs from pre-determined airports at the *targeted* period. If I trust informations from the proposals, SLC would be too expensive to cover travel expenses for EMEA folks. A brief look revealed, a trip e.g. to Cape Cod would cost (in August) at least US$ 2500 (cheap motel and a flight, not covering anything else). I assume, that's a bit over the limit? E.g. in June, flights to Boston are US$ 850 vs US$ 1400 in August. Maybe it's a good idea to move the conference out of main holiday season? Matthias -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: [RETRACTION] Re: Unofficial Poll: Flock 2015 (North America) Bids
- Original Message - Proposals are supposed to provide travel costs from pre-determined airports at the *targeted* period. If I trust informations from the proposals, SLC would be too expensive to cover travel expenses for EMEA folks. Looking on airfare prices, all options seems to be approximately the same price from PRG and VIE. SLC on wiki is 31000 CZK, I was able to find 21000 CZK. Just BOS is a bit cheaper. But it's always hard to estimate travel costs. To be honest, I'm not sure I can vote - all options looks amazing! Thanks teams! Jaroslav @+ H. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: [RETRACTION] Re: Unofficial Poll: Flock 2015 (North America) Bids
Il 23/set/2014 10:48 Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com ha scritto: - Original Message - Proposals are supposed to provide travel costs from pre-determined airports at the *targeted* period. If I trust informations from the proposals, SLC would be too expensive to cover travel expenses for EMEA folks. Looking on airfare prices, all options seems to be approximately the same price from PRG and VIE. SLC on wiki is 31000 CZK, I was able to find 21000 CZK. Just BOS is a bit cheaper. But it's always hard to estimate travel costs. To be honest, I'm not sure I can vote - all options looks amazing! Thanks teams! Jaroslav Yes all of them are nice proposals, and I also agree on what Matthias said, maybe we can try to move FLOCK outside of the highest holiday season. Not only because it would get cheaper for transportation but people would probably have less trouble to get holidays from their dayjob (i.e. I couldn't attend this year because I had to work, other colleagues were on holiday in that period). I know it's the best time to get college rooms, but maybe we can find an alternative period. That said, here are my personal votes of how attractive the bids are, but I would like to attend anyway, wherever FLOCK will be held next year. * Salt Lake City, Utah, USA -2 * Colorado Springs, Colorado, USA +1 * Rochester, New York, USA 0 * Cape Cod, Massachusetts, USA +3 -- Robert Mayr -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: [RETRACTION] Re: Unofficial Poll: Flock 2015 (North America) Bids
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/23/2014 02:37 AM, Matthias Runge wrote: On 22/09/14 17:18, Haïkel wrote: Proposals are supposed to provide travel costs from pre-determined airports at the *targeted* period. If I trust informations from the proposals, SLC would be too expensive to cover travel expenses for EMEA folks. A brief look revealed, a trip e.g. to Cape Cod would cost (in August) at least US$ 2500 (cheap motel and a flight, not covering anything else). I assume, that's a bit over the limit? E.g. in June, flights to Boston are US$ 850 vs US$ 1400 in August. Maybe it's a good idea to move the conference out of main holiday season? The proposal for Cape Cod is to be either the very end of August or (more likely) the very beginning of September. The flights and hotel rates drop sharply at that point. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iEYEARECAAYFAlQhY38ACgkQeiVVYja6o6NopQCeIAGAC5jRptcXE2rsw5lhf76O orcAn1XozJJQYvn7uVCF+6T89g3s7Fic =M4Hc -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: [RETRACTION] Re: Unofficial Poll: Flock 2015 (North America) Bids
On 22/09/14 02:36, Stephen Gallagher wrote: (Sorry for top-posting) I've been informed that there is an *official* poll coming shortly from the Flock Planning Committee. Please disregard this thread and await that poll. To make it a bit more complicate: could we have more specific dates as well? It might become tricky (or more expensive) to get to e.g Cape Cod during Holiday season? Matthias -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: [RETRACTION] Re: Unofficial Poll: Flock 2015 (North America) Bids
On Sep 22, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Matthias Runge mru...@matthias-runge.de wrote: On 22/09/14 02:36, Stephen Gallagher wrote: (Sorry for top-posting) I've been informed that there is an *official* poll coming shortly from the Flock Planning Committee. Please disregard this thread and await that poll. To make it a bit more complicate: could we have more specific dates as well? It might become tricky (or more expensive) to get to e.g Cape Cod during Holiday season? We have quotes from venues for the last week of August and the first (and second, I think) week of September. The rates are quite good. ($129-159/night at the hotels.) Matthias -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: [RETRACTION] Re: Unofficial Poll: Flock 2015 (North America) Bids
On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 09:04:52 -0400 (EDT) Stephen Gallagher sgall...@redhat.com wrote: On Sep 22, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Matthias Runge mru...@matthias-runge.de wrote: On 22/09/14 02:36, Stephen Gallagher wrote: (Sorry for top-posting) I've been informed that there is an *official* poll coming shortly from the Flock Planning Committee. Please disregard this thread and await that poll. To make it a bit more complicate: could we have more specific dates as well? It might become tricky (or more expensive) to get to e.g Cape Cod during Holiday season? We have quotes from venues for the last week of August and the first (and second, I think) week of September. The rates are quite good. ($129-159/night at the hotels.) I guess Matthias had in mind airfares, in August it is high season and airfares will be much higher than at other times. Unfortunately I cannot check whether there is a difference in price between last week of august and later because a couple of websites I tried do not allow you to book tickets that far in advance. OTOH you do not want to have flock at Cape Cod in winter :-) Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
Re: [RETRACTION] Re: Unofficial Poll: Flock 2015 (North America) Bids
Proposals are supposed to provide travel costs from pre-determined airports at the *targeted* period. If I trust informations from the proposals, SLC would be too expensive to cover travel expenses for EMEA folks. @+ H. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
[RETRACTION] Re: Unofficial Poll: Flock 2015 (North America) Bids
(Sorry for top-posting) I've been informed that there is an *official* poll coming shortly from the Flock Planning Committee. Please disregard this thread and await that poll. On Sep 21, 2014, at 11:48 AM, Stephen Gallagher sgall...@redhat.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As of yesterday, the deadline for submitting bids for Flock 2015 has passed. There were four bids made: * Salt Lake City, Utah, USA[1] * Colorado Springs, Colorado, USA[2] * Rochester, New York, USA[3] * Cape Cod, Massachusetts, USA[4] Ultimately, the selection of the location is up to the Flock Planning Committee, but I'd like to run an informal poll on this list to ask people to rate each of these locations on a scale of -5 to 5 how much this particular location would affect their interest in attending Flock. In other words: - -5: I would not want to attend Flock if it was held in this location. 0: This location has no effect on my decision to go to Flock. 5: I would go to Flock just for the excuse to visit this location. Note: this is *not* asking whether you plan to attend Flock, just how much the selection of each of these locations would play into your decision. (For the sake of fairness, I'd ask those that submitted bids to excuse themselves from this poll.) [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Flock2015-SaltLakeCity-proposal [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedoraproject.org/wiki/Flock2015-ColoradoSprings-proposal [3] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Flock2015-Rochester-proposal [4] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Flock2015-CapeCod-proposal -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iEYEARECAAYFAlQe8ysACgkQeiVVYja6o6PX4wCfUhkbT2K3PVktndhRx8ODIW+t LwUAn2tKLbuqAE6my7+7q5pm5vsJAJi5 =ojRf -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
