Re: [External] Re: Fedora+Lenovo
It is a good idea to have a fast operating system when you buy a device. I don't think it will be bought like that due to the price in Europe. It was a Fedora wiki with hardware requirements, I don't know if it still exists. My opinion is that we still fit into this answer: What are the cheap laptops that have very good hardware to run Fedora 32 very well? ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: [External] Re: Fedora+Lenovo
On 06/05/2020 01:37, Jared Dominguez wrote: > > And if you're a ThinkPad person, well clearly the choice is easier! It's > great to see > so much competition in the Linux laptop space these days! > The year of the Linux on the desktop (laptop?) just arrived? O:-) ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: [External] Re: Fedora+Lenovo
On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 8:25 PM Michel Alexandre Salim < mic...@michel-slm.name> wrote: > On 5/1/20 6:19 AM, Jared Dominguez wrote: > > First post here for me too. I'm chiming in both as a newly minted Red > > Hat guy and as a former Dell Linux person. :) I'm always a Linux person > > though and work with Mark as well as folks at other OEMs. > > Welcome! You won't happen to know if there's an effort to bring > first-class Fedora support to Dells too, would you? ;) > My lips would be sealed with two NDAs. ;) You'd have to ask my good friend Barton George. But I will say that Dell was the first major OEM to ship Linux and has been shipping RH(E)L on Dell Precision continuously for 21 years (in addition to Ubuntu for 12 continuous years). You're in good hands with Dell if you choose to buy their products. And if you're a ThinkPad person, well clearly the choice is easier! It's great to see so much competition in the Linux laptop space these days! > Cheers, > > -- > Michel Alexandre Salim > profile: https://keybase.io/michel_slm > chat via email: https://delta.chat/ > GPG key: 96A7 A6ED FB4D 2113 4056 3257 CAF9 AD10 ACB1 BEF2 > -- Jared Dominguez (he/him) Laptop Hardware Enablement Manager RHEL Workstation Engineering ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: [External] Re: Fedora+Lenovo
On 5/1/20 6:19 AM, Jared Dominguez wrote: First post here for me too. I'm chiming in both as a newly minted Red Hat guy and as a former Dell Linux person. :) I'm always a Linux person though and work with Mark as well as folks at other OEMs. Welcome! You won't happen to know if there's an effort to bring first-class Fedora support to Dells too, would you? ;) Cheers, -- Michel Alexandre Salim profile: https://keybase.io/michel_slm chat via email: https://delta.chat/ GPG key: 96A7 A6ED FB4D 2113 4056 3257 CAF9 AD10 ACB1 BEF2 ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
RE: [External] Re: Fedora+Lenovo
> From: Matthew Miller > Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 2:53 PM > > On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 05:38:41PM -0400, Zachary Snyder wrote: > > Thanks for reaching out to the mailing list. Not sure if this is the > > appropriate place for this email but I was wondering if fingerprint scanner > > support will be added in updates some how? > > > > I am running fedora 32 gnome on a Lenovo Thinkpad X1 carbon 6th gen > > It's going to be added where the hardware is friendly. I think unfortunately > that generation is out of luck. > Yeah - I'm 90% sure the fprint reader on X1C6 isn't supported but I'll double check. I hear the X1C8 works nicely (as does the X1C7) Mark ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: [External] Re: Fedora+Lenovo
On Fri, May 01, 2020 at 09:19:02AM -0400, Jared Dominguez wrote: > First post here for me too. I'm chiming in both as a newly minted Red Hat > guy and as a former Dell Linux person. :) I'm always a Linux person though > and work with Mark as well as folks at other OEMs. Welcome Jared! Glad to have you here! -- Matthew Miller Fedora Project Leader ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: [External] Re: Fedora+Lenovo
Markus Larsson wrote: > While I'm fine with spending 2500€ of company money on a > work machine, I'm rather hesitant to spend that kind of > money on laptops for the kids :) Isn't that where some good, old-fashioned nepotism comes in? The kids get a title, a valuable first entry on their CV, and a company laptop? ;) More seriously, it's nice to see this announcement. Thanks to all the folks who worked to make it happen! -- Todd signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: [External] Re: Fedora+Lenovo
On Fri, 1 May 2020 09:56:13 -0700 Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Fri, May 01, 2020 at 09:48:51AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Fri, 2020-05-01 at 10:03 -0600, James Szinger wrote: > > > On Fri, 01 May 2020 13:19:50 +0200 > > > Markus Larsson wrote: > > > > > > > Well, I'm happy with that answer. I rather have you say where > > > > things will go is unclear than have some cookie cutter > > > > marketing answer. This answer helps me figure out where this is > > > > hopefully going and how much to hope for it to happen. While > > > > I'm fine with spending 2500€ of company money on a work > > > > machine, I'm rather hesitant to spend that kind of money on > > > > laptops for the kids :) > > > > > > Same here. I just installed F32 Mate on a ThinkPad E595 and > > > everything worked out of the box. The only hitch is that the > > > xorg-x11-drv-amdgpu driver is not installed by default. > > > > It seems the base-x group has xorg-x11-drv-ati , but not > > xorg-x11-drv- amdgpu ... > > > > ajax, should we add it? > > See also: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1787018 And https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1662073 reported against F29. > > (reported against f31 about it not being > included) > > kevin ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: [External] Re: Fedora+Lenovo
On Fri, May 01, 2020 at 09:48:51AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2020-05-01 at 10:03 -0600, James Szinger wrote: > > On Fri, 01 May 2020 13:19:50 +0200 > > Markus Larsson wrote: > > > > > Well, I'm happy with that answer. I rather have you say where things > > > will go is unclear than have some cookie cutter marketing answer. > > > This answer helps me figure out where this is hopefully going and how > > > much to hope for it to happen. While I'm fine with spending 2500€ of > > > company money on a work machine, I'm rather hesitant to spend that > > > kind of money on laptops for the kids :) > > > > Same here. I just installed F32 Mate on a ThinkPad E595 and > > everything worked out of the box. The only hitch is that the > > xorg-x11-drv-amdgpu driver is not installed by default. > > It seems the base-x group has xorg-x11-drv-ati , but not xorg-x11-drv- > amdgpu ... > > ajax, should we add it? See also: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1787018 (reported against f31 about it not being included) kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: [External] Re: Fedora+Lenovo
On Fri, 2020-05-01 at 10:03 -0600, James Szinger wrote: > On Fri, 01 May 2020 13:19:50 +0200 > Markus Larsson wrote: > > > Well, I'm happy with that answer. I rather have you say where things > > will go is unclear than have some cookie cutter marketing answer. > > This answer helps me figure out where this is hopefully going and how > > much to hope for it to happen. While I'm fine with spending 2500€ of > > company money on a work machine, I'm rather hesitant to spend that > > kind of money on laptops for the kids :) > > Same here. I just installed F32 Mate on a ThinkPad E595 and > everything worked out of the box. The only hitch is that the > xorg-x11-drv-amdgpu driver is not installed by default. It seems the base-x group has xorg-x11-drv-ati , but not xorg-x11-drv- amdgpu ... ajax, should we add it? -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: [External] Re: Fedora+Lenovo
On Fri, 01 May 2020 13:19:50 +0200 Markus Larsson wrote: > Well, I'm happy with that answer. I rather have you say where things > will go is unclear than have some cookie cutter marketing answer. > This answer helps me figure out where this is hopefully going and how > much to hope for it to happen. While I'm fine with spending 2500€ of > company money on a work machine, I'm rather hesitant to spend that > kind of money on laptops for the kids :) Same here. I just installed F32 Mate on a ThinkPad E595 and everything worked out of the box. The only hitch is that the xorg-x11-drv-amdgpu driver is not installed by default. My kid thinks it's a great update over the T420. I've found that ThinkPads, going back to at least the A20, run Fedora or CentOS quite well. Self-intro: I'm a progremmer and former sysadmin who's been running Linux since RH 7.1 (and Solaris, SunOS, and VMS before that). I build RPMs at work to make life easier for me and the sysadmins. I follow this list to know what's coming in future Fedora releases. Jim ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: [External] Re: Fedora+Lenovo
On 01.05.2020 14:52, Mark Pearson wrote: > We have to meet some temperature safety requirements when the device is on > lap. Because Linux doesn't have support for that the device defaults to the > 'safer' > power setting and you see thermal throttling (and lower performance than > Windows). The new firmware does that lap/desk mode detection Why not to give us the hidden UEFI BIOS option "Always on desk" then? I use my ThinkPad only on desktop. -- Sincerely, Vitaly Zaitsev (vit...@easycoding.org) ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: [External] Re: Fedora+Lenovo
Hello again, On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 3:02 PM Mark Pearson wrote: > > > > From: Alexander Ploumistos > > Sent: Friday, May 1, 2020 8:07 AM > > > > One thing that I'd like to see, is linux support for the "energy > > manager" features - it's pretty much the only reason I've allowed > > windows to take up space on my laptops and I know I'm not the only > > one. I think that someone had written a kernel module that somehow > > managed to communicate with the battery controller, but since it's out > > of tree and we get quite a lot of kernel updates in Fedora, it's no > > fun rebuilding everything every 2-3 days. Is that something that's > > pretty standard among different model lines? > Interesting. We have a feature coming out soon that I think will give you > some of what you want. I've been working on a kernel driver to make it > more user friendly and that will go upstream eventually (if it's accepted). That's great news, thanks! > If there's any projects that are out there and that with some help from > Lenovo would be good to get upstream let me know. Our kernel technical > experience is still limited (working on that!) but the RH guys have been > amazing for helping us. I think tlp that James mentioned is pretty much the only project that has stuck around. There have been some other efforts sprouting every now and then, but I guess they got abandoned when their creators moved to different machines and lost interest. > I'm expecting to get yelled at as the super key will still have the windows > logo on it - not able to change that yet I'm afraid > We have some engineers in Japan who have been looking at those "hotkeys" > and getting that functionality into Linux so they work. Not exactly the same > as what you're asking for but in the same areas so I'll send this on their > way and > see what they think. > My understanding is xorg was hard to do any of the remapping stuff but > wayland is much better. Not something I've looked at myself though I've been using these two scripts on various systems: https://github.com/philipl/evdevremapkeys https://github.com/pronobis/evdevremapkeys One is a fork of the other, with their main difference being that the fork implements N:N mappings. They both work under Xorg and Wayland, because everything happens at a lower level, it's like plugging in a new input device. Your engineers might be interested in that. Best regards ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: [External] Re: Fedora+Lenovo
First post here for me too. I'm chiming in both as a newly minted Red Hat guy and as a former Dell Linux person. :) I'm always a Linux person though and work with Mark as well as folks at other OEMs. On Fri, May 1, 2020, 08:54 Mark Pearson wrote: > Hi Vitaly > > From: Vitaly Zaitsev via devel > > Sent: Friday, May 1, 2020 7:05 AM > > > > On 01.05.2020 12:52, Peter Robinson wrote: > > > I bet this is actually the Intel Dynamic Platform and Thermal > > > Framework (DPTF) that's at fault here [1] and so while I'm sure Lenovo > > > can approach Intel and assist I'm not sure it's something they can fix > > > directly, on the plus side it looks like it's being reverse engineered > > > in general. > > > > This is definitely Lenovo's fault. I have also Dell XPS 13 and it works > > absolutely fine on GNU/Linux. Not throttling issues at all. > > > Afraid I somewhat disagree. I think we should have done more earlier, but > I don't think the root cause is ours. > > I have no idea how the Dell XPS 13 solves this issue (or if it had the > same > in the first place) but my understanding of the problem is needing the > adaptive > support from DPTF to detect between lap and desk mode. > There's some interesting mechanical work the mechanical engineers at Dell implemented. Look up "XPS 13 Mars Rover", which is super cool. Their fan and heat pipe solution on the current generation models is a big difference too. DPTF Adaptive Performance Policy is a tricky one for reasons I won't get into. There's currently no complete open source solution. Platforms that are dependent on it are also currently dependent on a closed source solution from Intel. Even Google chose to ship with a closed source DPTF Adaptive Performance Policy on some fanless Chromebook designs. Matthew Garrett has done some work on a reverse engineered implementation of Adaptive Performance, but it's still a work in progress as I remember. We have to meet some temperature safety requirements when the device is on > lap. Because Linux doesn't have support for that the device defaults to > the 'safer' > power setting and you see thermal throttling (and lower performance than > Windows). The new firmware does that lap/desk mode detection - and I'm > told > implementing that in the BIOS/EC firmware framework was non-trivial, It > was > done purely for Linux customers. The performance now for Linux users > should > be the same as for Windows users. > > I think if DPTF had been open-sourced the thermal throttling would have > been a > non-issue. I can't comment on why that hasn't happen - I think really > that's a > question for Intel. > Perhaps there are better solutions possible? They all get a bit vendor > specific and > I suspect would have been hard to upstream so firmware is a reasonable fix > in > my opinion. > Parts of DPTF Passive are implemented on Linux as open source, but Active and other newer stuff are where things get tricky. Mark > ___ > devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
RE: [External] Re: Fedora+Lenovo
Hi Alexander, > From: Alexander Ploumistos > Sent: Friday, May 1, 2020 8:07 AM > > Hi Mark, > > And welcome aboard. > I've been using a tweaked Legion Y520-15IKBN for a year and a half now > and I'm a happy camper. I can't say that I understand hardware > vendors' marketing decisions, like putting a heftier price tag on a > "professional" machine, whereas a "gaming" laptop with the same specs > costs almost 1000€ less, but this particular Legion model line is > pretty inconspicuous, so you can work anywhere, without people > staring. Pricing is fascinating. I've been trying to find out what the pricing is going to be on these platforms and how it is determined is really quite curious. Suffice to say - I don't understand it either > > One thing that I'd like to see, is linux support for the "energy > manager" features - it's pretty much the only reason I've allowed > windows to take up space on my laptops and I know I'm not the only > one. I think that someone had written a kernel module that somehow > managed to communicate with the battery controller, but since it's out > of tree and we get quite a lot of kernel updates in Fedora, it's no > fun rebuilding everything every 2-3 days. Is that something that's > pretty standard among different model lines? Interesting. We have a feature coming out soon that I think will give you some of what you want. I've been working on a kernel driver to make it more user friendly and that will go upstream eventually (if it's accepted). If there's any projects that are out there and that with some help from Lenovo would be good to get upstream let me know. Our kernel technical experience is still limited (working on that!) but the RH guys have been amazing for helping us. > > Oh and another thing, which is a peeve with laptop keyboards in > general. I make full use of pretty much every key on a standard > keyboard and I usually map the compose key to scroll lock, which I use > a lot. Whenever I have to move to a laptop, I feel like someone has > chopped off one of my limbs and seeing dedicated keys for things like > recording and streaming one's gaming session drive me mad. About a > decade and a half ago, there were distributions that offered a > rudimentary UI to do key remapping, but along the way, as linux went > through different methods to manage input devices, that sort of thing > was dropped. Now that evdev seems to be with us for the foreseeable > future, is there any chance you might consider such a feature, perhaps > in collaboration with GNOME? Even if it's something buried under 15 > menus in Tweaks, I'd be happy. > I'm expecting to get yelled at as the super key will still have the windows logo on it - not able to change that yet I'm afraid We have some engineers in Japan who have been looking at those "hotkeys" and getting that functionality into Linux so they work. Not exactly the same as what you're asking for but in the same areas so I'll send this on their way and see what they think. My understanding is xorg was hard to do any of the remapping stuff but wayland is much better. Not something I've looked at myself though Mark ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
RE: [External] Re: Fedora+Lenovo
Hi Vitaly > From: Vitaly Zaitsev via devel > Sent: Friday, May 1, 2020 7:05 AM > > On 01.05.2020 12:52, Peter Robinson wrote: > > I bet this is actually the Intel Dynamic Platform and Thermal > > Framework (DPTF) that's at fault here [1] and so while I'm sure Lenovo > > can approach Intel and assist I'm not sure it's something they can fix > > directly, on the plus side it looks like it's being reverse engineered > > in general. > > This is definitely Lenovo's fault. I have also Dell XPS 13 and it works > absolutely fine on GNU/Linux. Not throttling issues at all. > Afraid I somewhat disagree. I think we should have done more earlier, but I don't think the root cause is ours. I have no idea how the Dell XPS 13 solves this issue (or if it had the same in the first place) but my understanding of the problem is needing the adaptive support from DPTF to detect between lap and desk mode. We have to meet some temperature safety requirements when the device is on lap. Because Linux doesn't have support for that the device defaults to the 'safer' power setting and you see thermal throttling (and lower performance than Windows). The new firmware does that lap/desk mode detection - and I'm told implementing that in the BIOS/EC firmware framework was non-trivial, It was done purely for Linux customers. The performance now for Linux users should be the same as for Windows users. I think if DPTF had been open-sourced the thermal throttling would have been a non-issue. I can't comment on why that hasn't happen - I think really that's a question for Intel. Perhaps there are better solutions possible? They all get a bit vendor specific and I suspect would have been hard to upstream so firmware is a reasonable fix in my opinion. Mark ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: [External] Re: Fedora+Lenovo
On Fri, May 1, 2020, at 7:25 AM, Solomon Peachy wrote: > On Fri, May 01, 2020 at 03:36:09AM +, Mark Pearson wrote: > > I'm also quite fond of my AMD T495. It's a platform that has given me > > minimal headaches > > Yeah, one of those is my daily driver. > > My only real complaint has to do with the placement of the "PrtSc" key. > I accidentally take several screenshots every day.. Otherwise it's a > great machine to run Fedora on. > Agreed. I really want that key to be the menu key, with Fn to be PrtSc. (And overall, bring back the ThinkPad 25 keyboard, but that'll never happen.) V/r, James Cassell ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: [External] Re: Fedora+Lenovo
On Fri, May 01, 2020 at 03:36:09AM +, Mark Pearson wrote: > I'm also quite fond of my AMD T495. It's a platform that has given me > minimal headaches Yeah, one of those is my daily driver. My only real complaint has to do with the placement of the "PrtSc" key. I accidentally take several screenshots every day.. Otherwise it's a great machine to run Fedora on. - Solomon -- Solomon Peachypizza at shaftnet dot org (email) @pizza:shaftnet dot org (matrix) High Springs, FL speachy (freenode) signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
RE: [External] Re: Fedora+Lenovo
> From: Richard Hughes > Sent: Friday, May 1, 2020 6:28 AM > > On Fri, 1 May 2020 at 06:22, Joe Doss wrote: > > Yes!!! This works on my T490s! Awesome > > Phew! Do we know why it's not been promoted to stable yet? > The reason it took so long in testing is the firmware load is shared with Windows, so apparently the regression testing is taking a long time. I don't think Covid19 helped the situation any either... ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
RE: [External] Re: Fedora+Lenovo
On 1 May 2020 12:57:04 CEST, Mark Pearson wrote: >Hi Markus, > >> From: Markus Larsson >> Sent: Friday, May 1, 2020 3:24 AM >> >> Hi Mark >> >> I have a question regarding the hardware lineup. The 3 machines mentioned >> are very fine machines but for many usages they are definitely overkill and a >> tad bit pricey. >> Will there be more modest machines supported down the line? >> By modest I mean decent machines with good screen (minimum FHD) in the >> 1000€ to 1500€ price range. >> >Our focus has been on the platforms that business customers want so I agree - >the more modest machines are missing. We do have other platforms that we >support linux on but that aren't part of this initial Fedora program and >hopefully >it becomes a no-brainer to add those as well in the future. > >We have been expanding our Linux portfolio every year - this year we're doing >full configuration on the workstations which is a big step (caveat for >WWAN...). >If the trend continues then logically we should be adding Ideapads - but we're >not >there yet. I think the web sales will be useful for showing there is customer >demand >outside of business use and I'm genuinely fascinated to see how sales go >(fingers >and legs crossed). > >So - I can't give you an answer, because I genuinely don't know myself, but my >hope and expectation is we'll get therewhich is horribly vague. Sorry! > >Mark Well, I'm happy with that answer. I rather have you say where things will go is unclear than have some cookie cutter marketing answer. This answer helps me figure out where this is hopefully going and how much to hope for it to happen. While I'm fine with spending 2500€ of company money on a work machine, I'm rather hesitant to spend that kind of money on laptops for the kids :) Br M ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
RE: [External] Re: Fedora+Lenovo
Hi Vitaly and Peter > From: Peter Robinson > Sent: Friday, May 1, 2020 6:53 AM > > > > Hello, Mark. > > > > When Lenovo will fix major throttling issues[1] on all supported > > ThinkPad models? > > > > When running on GNU/Linux, due to overheating, my T480/T580 throttle up > > to 400 MHz (much more slower, than Pentium III from 1999). > > I bet this is actually the Intel Dynamic Platform and Thermal > Framework (DPTF) that's at fault here [1] and so while I'm sure Lenovo > can approach Intel and assist I'm not sure it's something they can fix > directly, on the plus side it looks like it's being reverse engineered > in general. > > https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/54923.html > > > We are waiting the fix for more than one year and this is not good. > > Original thread on Lenovo forum: [2]. > > > > [1]: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1598615 > > [2]: > > https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Other-Linux-Discussions/X1C6-T480s-low- > cTDP-and-trip-temperature-in-Linux/m-p/4028489 > > The thermal throttling issue is definitely another big pain point. Here I'm really tied in what I can and can't say - I need permission from the thermal team to share full details and they haven't given that yet. But there is work still ongoing so I'll try and give you what little I can. As an aside - I know that forum thread well, and I completely get the frustration for users. I should add - all our 2020 Linux support platforms will have the thermal firmware solution implemented - Yes, it's all tied in to DPTF and I personally (Lenovo hat off) think what Matthew is doing is really cool. I've been supporting the exercise where I can to make sure that solution works well on Lenovo platforms (you can check the merge request thread and issues on his fork as proof ). I'm hoping he gets it figured for the good of the community. I think it's a real shame Intel aren't giving open source support for DPTF - The thermal team spent a long time trying to find a solution that didn't involve new FW. From our point of view it's actually quite a complicated and expensive thing to do and there are some technical limitations that mean it isn't back-portable to all platforms. One big frustration I have is that some platforms are getting the fix - really quite soon - and others aren't and I've not been allowed to share which it is. There are technical reasons for this - it's not just us being difficult. I think Lenovo's thermal firmware implementation is actually pretty cool and a very nice solution and it should have been a really good story on how we had this Linux related issue and provided a solution for our customers and instead it's turned into a big source of frustration for people. We need to improve how we communicate on issues like this but communicating in an open source way doesn't come naturally to everyone yet... Obviously as a T480 user the above is uselessI do expect to be able to share the details of which platforms are in and out in the next month (I really hope!) Genuinely sorry I can't do it earlier (or 6 months ago). Mark ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
RE: [External] Re: Fedora+Lenovo
Hi Markus, > From: Markus Larsson > Sent: Friday, May 1, 2020 3:24 AM > > Hi Mark > > I have a question regarding the hardware lineup. The 3 machines mentioned > are very fine machines but for many usages they are definitely overkill and a > tad bit pricey. > Will there be more modest machines supported down the line? > By modest I mean decent machines with good screen (minimum FHD) in the > 1000€ to 1500€ price range. > Our focus has been on the platforms that business customers want so I agree - the more modest machines are missing. We do have other platforms that we support linux on but that aren't part of this initial Fedora program and hopefully it becomes a no-brainer to add those as well in the future. We have been expanding our Linux portfolio every year - this year we're doing full configuration on the workstations which is a big step (caveat for WWAN...). If the trend continues then logically we should be adding Ideapads - but we're not there yet. I think the web sales will be useful for showing there is customer demand outside of business use and I'm genuinely fascinated to see how sales go (fingers and legs crossed). So - I can't give you an answer, because I genuinely don't know myself, but my hope and expectation is we'll get therewhich is horribly vague. Sorry! Mark ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: [External] Re: Fedora+Lenovo
On Fri, 1 May 2020 at 06:22, Joe Doss wrote: > Yes!!! This works on my T490s! Phew! Do we know why it's not been promoted to stable yet? Richard. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: [External] Re: Fedora+Lenovo
On Fri, May 01, 2020 at 03:10:39AM +, Mark Pearson wrote: > Hi Tomasz, > > > From: Tomasz Torcz > > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 5:33 PM > > > > Hi, welcome among regular folks ;) > > > > I was wondering, will Lenovo work to make older models fully > > supported, too? I'm looking at fingeprint reader on my T480s… > > > I'd have to check what device is on the T480s (I don't have one myself). > We have support from Synaptics for their 'Prometheus' device - if you do > lsusb and confirm if its 06cb:00bd that will let you know. Unfortunately it's different model: Bus 001 Device 007: ID 06cb:009a Synaptics, Inc. -- Tomasz TorczOnce you've read the dictionary, to...@pipebreaker.plevery other book is just a remix. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: [External] Re: Fedora+Lenovo
On 4/30/20 10:10 PM, Mark Pearson wrote: > As a note - if you do have the 00bd device: firmware is on LVFS but it's in > testing state (should be released really soon). If you do enable > lvfs-testing > and do an update to get it installed then fingerprints should work with F32 > (they did for my X1C7 and P1G2) Yes!!! This works on my T490s! fwupdmgr enable-remote lvfs-testing fwupdmgr refresh fwupdmgr update fwupdmgr disable-remote lvfs-testing Then go Settings > Users and enable fingerprint login. No more fumbling my login password while running late for standup without coffee! Yes! YES!! Joe -- Joe Doss j...@solidadmin.com signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
RE: [External] Re: Fedora+Lenovo
> -Original Message- > From: Garry T. Williams > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 6:00 PM > > On Thursday, April 30, 2020 5:18:10 PM EDT Mark Pearson wrote: > > He also suggested I take questions from the community > > I Mark. Which Lenovo model do I want to replace my XPS-13? > I really want to duck this question because to be honest I spend all my time debugging issues which blurs your perception and I genuinely don't know the Dell line (I am sure they are great bits of kit). FWIW - I have an X1Carbon7 and it's very nice but I've also been known to swear at it (usually over the microphone). I've not managed to get my sticky hands on the X1C8 yet but from what I hear it's a pretty nice piece of hardware. I'm also quite fond of my AMD T495. It's a platform that has given me minimal headaches . Mark ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
RE: [External] Re: Fedora+Lenovo
Hi Björn and Solomon, > -Original Message- > From: Solomon Peachy > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 5:50 PM > > On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 11:37:41PM +0200, Björn 'besser82' Esser wrote: > > My first question regarding Lenovo support for Fedora is: > > > > Will there be any working driver or any other kind of support from > > Lenovo for the "Intel Corporation XMM7360 LTE Advanced Modem" aka. > > Fibocom L850-GL LTE modem, e.g. a BIOS update to operate the card > > in USB-mode or a Linux driver for operating the device in PCIe mode? > > There's this driver: > >https://github.com/xmm7360/xmm7360-pci/ > > It's not fully baked, but it supposedly works WellEnough(tm). > > (Also, IIUC not all notebook models have USB wired to the M.2 slot) > Ah...straight into the easy questions then I was expecting to get beaten up in the RH summit over this one Linux WWAN is hard for us to do correctly - but we are working on it. As you know the card is setup to work in PCIe mode and we haven't been able to get support for the vendor for that upstream. I've seen the changes posted to get it working on the USB bus - but our HW engineers don't support using it that way. There is also the problem of FCC regulations on many of our laptops. There is a lock required to make sure it's not tampered with and we have to be able to control the transmission power depending on if you're holding the laptop or not. There isn't any support in Linux for that yet. For the X1C8 and probably our other 2020 platforms we're using a different part and 1) There will be kernel support for it implemented by the vendor 2) We have some engineers working on a DPR utility For full disclosure - the big sucky thing about the DPR utility is it has to be closed source as it has a closed source binary library from the vendor that we can't do anything about; So it won't be making it's way into the F32 image. But we do plan on making it available to customers as something they can install afterwards. I'm genuinely open to discussions on alternatives - WWAN is not something I know lots about and the above is based on discussions with the HW/driver team. If there's an expert out there who wants to bend my ear on everything I've got wrong then let me know - though your argument has to be good enough to convince Lenovo lawyers that they won't get into trouble with the FCC. Hope that helps a little bit. Mark ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
RE: [External] Re: Fedora+Lenovo
Hi Tomasz, > From: Tomasz Torcz > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 5:33 PM > > Hi, welcome among regular folks ;) > > I was wondering, will Lenovo work to make older models fully > supported, too? I'm looking at fingeprint reader on my T480s… I'd have to check what device is on the T480s (I don't have one myself). We have support from Synaptics for their 'Prometheus' device - if you do lsusb and confirm if its 06cb:00bd that will let you know. I don't know if we'll be able to get support for other devices - for older platforms it's a bit of a battle so I've tended to focus on future devices first - our 2020 platforms will work and we have a requirement on vendors to support LVFS now which should help a lot (admittedly some go faster than others) As a note - if you do have the 00bd device: firmware is on LVFS but it's in testing state (should be released really soon). If you do enable lvfs-testing and do an update to get it installed then fingerprints should work with F32 (they did for my X1C7 and P1G2) ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
