Re: [HEADS-UP] adding missing systemd links in rawhide/F14 upgrades
Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com writes: When an F14 build goes stable through bodhi, it'll be inherited into rawhide. Unless there is already a release of the package tagged dist-f15, IIUC. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, sch...@redhat.com GPG Key fingerprint = D4E8 DBE3 3813 BB5D FA84 5EC7 45C6 250E 6F00 984E And now for something completely different. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [HEADS-UP] adding missing systemd links in rawhide/F14 upgrades
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/12/2010 12:42 AM, Andreas Schwab wrote: Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com writes: When an F14 build goes stable through bodhi, it'll be inherited into rawhide. Unless there is already a release of the package tagged dist-f15, IIUC. Andreas. Yes, that is correct. An already built version on f15 will always be newer than anything coming up from f14. - -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! identi.ca: http://identi.ca/jkeating -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkxjqDQACgkQ4v2HLvE71NV8uwCfTp1KzTAVMGvvSk8mz2pHnNJ2 3qQAnR5hXg+H2jR87Q1W6a2bzBmO3QR5 =0/7u -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [HEADS-UP] adding missing systemd links in rawhide/F14 upgrades
Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com writes: Yes, that is correct. An already built version on f15 will always be newer than anything coming up from f14. Which is exactly the situation with systemd. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, sch...@redhat.com GPG Key fingerprint = D4E8 DBE3 3813 BB5D FA84 5EC7 45C6 250E 6F00 984E And now for something completely different. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [HEADS-UP] adding missing systemd links in rawhide/F14 upgrades
On Thu, 12.08.10 00:52, Jesse Keating (jkeat...@redhat.com) wrote: Yes, that is correct. An already built version on f15 will always be newer than anything coming up from f14. Can I undo such a build? I did that mostly because I forgot that the branching already happened when I built systemd the first time after the branching. I'd prefer having to maintain a single package only, not two. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering - Red Hat, Inc. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [HEADS-UP] adding missing systemd links in rawhide/F14 upgrades
Lennart Poettering wrote, at 08/12/2010 10:28 PM +9:00: On Thu, 12.08.10 00:52, Jesse Keating (jkeat...@redhat.com) wrote: Yes, that is correct. An already built version on f15 will always be newer than anything coming up from f14. Can I undo such a build? I did that mostly because I forgot that the branching already happened when I built systemd the first time after the branching. I'd prefer having to maintain a single package only, not two. Lennart Instead you can manually tag a build built for dist-f14-updates-candidate also for dist-f15, for example: $ koji tag-pkg dist-f15 systemd-7-2.fc14 With this systemd-7-2.fc14 will have dist-f14-updates-candidate and dist-f15 tags (currently dist-f15 tag is not locked). Regards, Mamoru -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [HEADS-UP] adding missing systemd links in rawhide/F14 upgrades
Hi Lennart, I found that systemd-units depends on pkgconfig, is this dependency really needed for minimum systemd? Regards, Chen Lei -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [HEADS-UP] adding missing systemd links in rawhide/F14 upgrades
Lennart Poettering (mzerq...@0pointer.de) said: Yes, that is correct. An already built version on f15 will always be newer than anything coming up from f14. Can I undo such a build? I did that mostly because I forgot that the branching already happened when I built systemd the first time after the branching. If the version in dist-f14 is newer, then yes, you can do koji untag-pkg dist-f15 whatever is there Bill -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [HEADS-UP] adding missing systemd links in rawhide/F14 upgrades
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 10:10:25PM +0800, Chen Lei wrote: I found that systemd-units depends on pkgconfig, is this dependency really needed for minimum systemd? Please file things like this in bugzilla so they don't get lost in the chaos of this discussion list. -- Matthew Miller mat...@mattdm.org Senior Systems Architect -- Instructional Research Computing Services Harvard School of Engineering Applied Sciences -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [HEADS-UP] adding missing systemd links in rawhide/F14 upgrades
On Thu, 12.08.10 22:10, Chen Lei (supercyp...@gmail.com) wrote: Hi Lennart, Heya, I found that systemd-units depends on pkgconfig, is this dependency really needed for minimum systemd? Yes, this is intended this way. udev does the same these days. We consider .pc files simply a nice way to make information about the system and the packages that are installed avaiulable. While historically this was mostly used for development stuff it also has its uses outside of development, and I think it should be used more often like this. pkg-config has almost no dependencies and is a tiny C binary, hence I see little value in optimizing this dependency away. Quite frankly I'd like to see stuff like lsb_release and similar programs be replaced by little .pc files across the board. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering - Red Hat, Inc. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [HEADS-UP] adding missing systemd links in rawhide/F14 upgrades
instead of trying to workaround the problem i actually tried to check if a clean install of latest package would work properly with this result: Installing : systemd-units-5-2.fc15.x86_64 1/4 /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.sqw1k7: line 25: 19348 Segmentation fault (core dumped) /bin/systemctl enable ge...@.service prefdm.service getty.target rc-local.service remote-fs.target 21 /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.sqw1k7: line 25: 19350 Segmentation fault (core dumped) /bin/systemctl enable dbus.service dbus.socket 21 Installing : systemd-5-2.fc15.x86_64 2/4 Installing : systemd-gtk-5-2.fc15.x86_64 3/4 Installing : systemd-sysvinit-5-2.fc15.x86_64 also if there was that error introduced by a package (missing links) they also should be repaired by an update package. kind regards, Rudolf Kastl -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [HEADS-UP] adding missing systemd links in rawhide/F14 upgrades
On 08/11/2010 09:02 AM, Rudolf Kastl wrote: instead of trying to workaround the problem i actually tried to check if a clean install of latest package would work properly with this result: Installing : systemd-units-5-2.fc15.x86_64 This is far from being the latest packages ( the latest being 7.1 which is in update ) and I do belive the bug you encountered got fixed in 6.1 and with selinux-policy 3.8.8-10 which also is in update. JBG -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [HEADS-UP] adding missing systemd links in rawhide/F14 upgrades
On 08/11/2010 10:32 AM, Rudolf Kastl wrote: 2010/8/11 Jóhann B. Guðmundssonjohan...@gmail.com: On 08/11/2010 09:02 AM, Rudolf Kastl wrote: instead of trying to workaround the problem i actually tried to check if a clean install of latest package would work properly with this result: Installing : systemd-units-5-2.fc15.x86_64 This is far from being the latest packages ( the latest being 7.1 which is in update ) and I do belive the bug you encountered got fixed in 6.1 and with selinux-policy 3.8.8-10 which also is in update. wrong: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=10477 the newer versions have only been built for f14 not rawhide. Given that this thread was for rawhide/F14 ( not rawhide/F15 ) and everyone's being more or less pretty much focused on F14 at this point dont be surprised rawhide being pretty much in an unusable state. I pinged Lennart and ask him to build the latest systemd for F15 untill then I guess you have to replace the systemd packages with the ones in F14 and exclude systemd for updates until the builds for F15 hit koji. JBG -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [HEADS-UP] adding missing systemd links in rawhide/F14 upgrades
2010/8/11 Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com: On 08/11/2010 10:32 AM, Rudolf Kastl wrote: 2010/8/11 Jóhann B. Guðmundssonjohan...@gmail.com: On 08/11/2010 09:02 AM, Rudolf Kastl wrote: instead of trying to workaround the problem i actually tried to check if a clean install of latest package would work properly with this result: Installing : systemd-units-5-2.fc15.x86_64 This is far from being the latest packages ( the latest being 7.1 which is in update ) and I do belive the bug you encountered got fixed in 6.1 and with selinux-policy 3.8.8-10 which also is in update. wrong: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=10477 the newer versions have only been built for f14 not rawhide. Given that this thread was for rawhide/F14 ( not rawhide/F15 ) and rawhide/f14 is pretty much interpretable as rawhide and/or f14 too... and i am on the devel not any test or other list. everyone's being more or less pretty much focused on F14 at this point dont be surprised rawhide being pretty much in an unusable state. i still expect the latest software to be available in rawhide atleast at the same time as in some branches, using rawhide longer than fedora exists because of that reason. for me it doesent make sense to report bugs for old software components... the alternative wouldnt be to use some branch but to build the system myself. I pinged Lennart and ask him to build the latest systemd for F15 untill then I guess you have to replace the systemd packages with the ones in F14 and exclude systemd for updates until the builds for F15 hit koji. i can build the software myself or exchange the init system ... the current state is still broken. thanks for pinging. kind regards, Rudolf Kastl JBG -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [HEADS-UP] adding missing systemd links in rawhide/F14 upgrades
On 11/08/10 11:32, Rudolf Kastl wrote: snip wrong: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=10477 the newer versions have only been built for f14 not rawhide. snip I guess they are waiting to iron out a few bugs on F14 systemd\selinux\udev? Before they push the same broken updates to F15(Rawhide) -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded Friend of Fedora -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [HEADS-UP] adding missing systemd links in rawhide/F14 upgrades
Frank Murphy wrote: I guess they are waiting to iron out a few bugs on F14 systemd\selinux\udev? Before they push the same broken updates to F15(Rawhide) Normally, development is supposed to happen in Rawhide FIRST. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [HEADS-UP] adding missing systemd links in rawhide/F14 upgrades
On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 01:40 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Frank Murphy wrote: I guess they are waiting to iron out a few bugs on F14 systemd\selinux\udev? Before they push the same broken updates to F15(Rawhide) Normally, development is supposed to happen in Rawhide FIRST. Frank's guess wasn't correct. Lennart simply pushed the changes to F14 first because we needed them in a hurry for the Alpha RC3 build. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [HEADS-UP] adding missing systemd links in rawhide/F14 upgrades
On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 04:11 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Thu, 12.08.10 01:40, Kevin Kofler (kevin.kof...@chello.at) wrote: Frank Murphy wrote: I guess they are waiting to iron out a few bugs on F14 systemd\selinux\udev? Before they push the same broken updates to F15(Rawhide) Normally, development is supposed to happen in Rawhide FIRST. Whats the point again of having to development distributions in parallel? Now F14 is feature frozen, you are not supposed to work on major new features to include in it. In the past, when we hit feature freeze, if you wanted to work on some shiny new feature for future releases, you had to do it in some kind of side repository. Now, even though you can't do that in F14, you can do it in Rawhide and be nice and early for F15. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [HEADS-UP] adding missing systemd links in rawhide/F14 upgrades
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/11/2010 07:11 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Thu, 12.08.10 01:40, Kevin Kofler (kevin.kof...@chello.at) wrote: Frank Murphy wrote: I guess they are waiting to iron out a few bugs on F14 systemd\selinux\udev? Before they push the same broken updates to F15(Rawhide) Normally, development is supposed to happen in Rawhide FIRST. Whats the point again of having to development distributions in parallel? Double the amount of work? Test how wonderful git merge works? We aren't doing parallel development. F14 is to be stabilized and bugfixed, while rawhide is available for future feature development. When we tried to have just one branch we had too many people trying to do one or not the other. That's why we separated the concepts out and have two branches. Wasn't there some kind of automatic migration between the to-be-released distro and rawhide? What happened to that? When an F14 build goes stable through bodhi, it'll be inherited into rawhide. - -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! identi.ca: http://identi.ca/jkeating -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkxjYPQACgkQ4v2HLvE71NX7jwCcCw1AjRdy8kpHaUn8FokY9q0s NGgAn26yCKDNAQ3MvdiSFsADc/Py9Plh =elod -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [HEADS-UP] adding missing systemd links in rawhide/F14 upgrades
On 04/08/10 20:41, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Disable selinux in grub and boot with upstart Grap the latest systemd packages from koji ( systemd and systemd-units ) Remove systemd and systemd-units ( rpm -e systemd systemd-units ) Reinstall systemd and systemd unit. reboot and allow selinux to relable the filesystem and voila ( at least that works for me ) JBG Tried this, no go for me. Completly borked the system. even init-/sbin/upstart won't boot afterwards. I'll do a fresh F13 F14-Br -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded Friend of Fedora -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [HEADS-UP] adding missing systemd links in rawhide/F14 upgrades
On 08/04/2010 02:54 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Wed, 04.08.10 02:40, Lennart Poettering (mzerq...@0pointer.de) wrote: On Wed, 04.08.10 00:10, Lennart Poettering (mzerq...@0pointer.de) wrote: Small addition. When I was referring to rawhide I meant both F-14 and the new rawhide. i.e. both F-14 and F-15. And here's another addition: you might also want to run this command when upgrading from older rwahide to current F-14/rawhide: # systemctl enable graphical.target This makes sure the default.target link is created properly Lennart Hi, I tried that with no success. $ systemctl enable graphical.target Segmentation faults (core dumped) - filled rhbz#621584 If you want some additional info, just send me an email, I'll be happy to help you debug this. Jirka -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [HEADS-UP] adding missing systemd links in rawhide/F14 upgrades
Lennart Poettering (mzerq...@0pointer.de) said: And here's another addition: you might also want to run this command when upgrading from older rwahide to current F-14/rawhide: # systemctl enable graphical.target This makes sure the default.target link is created properly I still believe that for this particular one (and a few of the others) we should make the trivial changes to the spec to have it done automatically. Bill -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [HEADS-UP] adding missing systemd links in rawhide/F14 upgrades
On Wed, 04.08.10 10:51, Bill Nottingham (nott...@redhat.com) wrote: Lennart Poettering (mzerq...@0pointer.de) said: And here's another addition: you might also want to run this command when upgrading from older rwahide to current F-14/rawhide: # systemctl enable graphical.target This makes sure the default.target link is created properly I still believe that for this particular one (and a few of the others) we should make the trivial changes to the spec to have it done automatically. Hmm, i guess in this case we actually could automate this, without too much ugliness. I wonder though: how many people are actually hit by this issue? i.e. were running rawhide already? Lennart -- Lennart Poettering - Red Hat, Inc. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [HEADS-UP] adding missing systemd links in rawhide/F14 upgrades
On 04/08/10 16:08, Lennart Poettering wrote: # systemctl enable graphical.target This makes sure the default.target link is created properly I still believe that for this particular one (and a few of the others) we should make the trivial changes to the spec to have it done automatically. Hmm, i guess in this case we actually could automate this, without too much ugliness. I wonder though: how many people are actually hit by this issue? i.e. were running rawhide already? Lennart Virt-Manager Guests: F14, F15. I was running rawhide since 1 or 2 mths Before F14-Branch. systemctl enable graphical.target this it said we was already linked. But If, I don't put init=/sbin/upstart on the kernel, every second thing is a fail or a whinge. Some errors don't make it to dmesg\boot.log Wont reboot, have to be forcibly shut. -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded Friend of Fedora -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [HEADS-UP] adding missing systemd links in rawhide/F14 upgrades
On Wed, 04.08.10 16:27, Frank Murphy (frankl...@gmail.com) wrote: On 04/08/10 16:08, Lennart Poettering wrote: # systemctl enable graphical.target This makes sure the default.target link is created properly I still believe that for this particular one (and a few of the others) we should make the trivial changes to the spec to have it done automatically. Hmm, i guess in this case we actually could automate this, without too much ugliness. I wonder though: how many people are actually hit by this issue? i.e. were running rawhide already? Lennart Virt-Manager Guests: F14, F15. I was running rawhide since 1 or 2 mths Before F14-Branch. systemctl enable graphical.target this it said we was already linked. But If, I don't put init=/sbin/upstart on the kernel, every second thing is a fail or a whinge. Well, can you be more precise? Can you try this bodhi build? https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/dbus-1.3.2-0.1.885483.fc14,systemd-5-2.fc14?_csrf_token=ed15fe0617ae3d06dc5b861a4374ac3d0908e09e Lennart -- Lennart Poettering - Red Hat, Inc. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [HEADS-UP] adding missing systemd links in rawhide/F14 upgrades
On 04/08/10 16:41, Lennart Poettering wrote: Well, can you be more precise? Can you try this bodhi build? Just got my daughter to take a video of start up, so will try grab snaps from it and or upload somewhere. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/dbus-1.3.2-0.1.885483.fc14,systemd-5-2.fc14?_csrf_token=ed15fe0617ae3d06dc5b861a4374ac3d0908e09e Hasn't really helped in this situation. -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded Friend of Fedora -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [HEADS-UP] adding missing systemd links in rawhide/F14 upgrades
This from an F13.x86 F14-Rawhide F14-Branched Guest (Host if F13.x86_64) Some still from the video: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-040810-185144.php http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-040810-185343.php http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-040810-185650.php http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-040810-185927.php http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-040810-190109.php The full start up video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO8OAr7bzl8 -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded Friend of Fedora -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [HEADS-UP] adding missing systemd links in rawhide/F14 upgrades
On 08/04/2010 06:05 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: This from an F13.x86 F14-Rawhide F14-Branched Guest (Host if F13.x86_64) Some still from the video: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-040810-185144.php http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-040810-185343.php http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-040810-185650.php http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-040810-185927.php http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-040810-190109.php The full start up video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO8OAr7bzl8 Disable selinux in grub and boot with upstart Grap the latest systemd packages from koji ( systemd and systemd-units ) Remove systemd and systemd-units ( rpm -e systemd systemd-units ) Reinstall systemd and systemd unit. reboot and allow selinux to relable the filesystem and voila ( at least that works for me ) JBG -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [HEADS-UP] adding missing systemd links in rawhide/F14 upgrades
On Wed, 04.08.10 02:40, Lennart Poettering (mzerq...@0pointer.de) wrote: On Wed, 04.08.10 00:10, Lennart Poettering (mzerq...@0pointer.de) wrote: Small addition. When I was referring to rawhide I meant both F-14 and the new rawhide. i.e. both F-14 and F-15. And here's another addition: you might also want to run this command when upgrading from older rwahide to current F-14/rawhide: # systemctl enable graphical.target This makes sure the default.target link is created properly Lennart -- Lennart Poettering - Red Hat, Inc. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
