Re: Orphaning/retiring 3 Java packages
It would be possible, but I really only have about less than a year of experience. And I would need some preparations (like example packages). On 6. 8. 2019 15:30, D L wrote: Perhaps, if this introduction is done by video conference it could be recorded and archived for future reference on this page – https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/packaging-guidelines/Java/ If its not too much trouble. -- Danny Lee mailto:drea...@panix.com>> /I have been impressed with the urgency of doing. Knowing is not enough; we must apply. Being willing is not enough; we must do. ~ Leonardo da Vinci/ *From: *Marián Konček <mailto:mkon...@redhat.com> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 6, 2019 6:20 AM *To: *devel@lists.fedoraproject.org <mailto:devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> *Cc: *p...@barkhof.uni-bremen.de <mailto:p...@barkhof.uni-bremen.de> *Subject: *Re: Orphaning/retiring 3 Java packages I could introduce Peter into Fedora java packaging. On 24. 7. 2019 20:03, Peter Boy wrote: > >> Am 23.07.2019 um 16:08 schrieb Mikolaj Izdebski : >> >> On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 1:50 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: >>> On 23. 07. 19 13:27, Mikolaj Izdebski wrote: >>>> Soon after Fedora 31 branching I intend to retire java-packaging-howto >>>> package and orphan byaccj and javapackages-tools packages. The reason >>>> is that I intend to maintain these packages as part of modules. >>>> >>>> I will continue to maintain non-modular packages through lifecycles of >>>> Fedora 29-31, but starting from Fedora 32 I will maintain modular >>>> versions only. >>> Do you realize that while your decision to move essential bits of Java packaging >>> to modules might untie your hands a lot, it is causing everybody else involved >>> more and more trouble? >> Perhaps I don't realize the trouble, could you elaborate? I expect >> orphaned packages to be adopted by someone, likely a member of >> Stewardship SIG. These two packages are low-maintenance and don't >> require much work - they don't have many upstream changes and don't >> get many bugs reported. So I don't see that much trouble in this case. >> >>> I acknowledge that it is your right to orphan essentially anything you want, >>> however the motivation here seems a bit... nonempathetic. >>> >>> Would you mind to reconsider? >> Definitely - this is the reason I wrote to the list. Do you have any >> proposal what to do with these packages instead of orphaning them? > > Sorry for jumping in. I think this might be an opportunity to participate in the Fedora Projekt. I’ve a lot of experience in java development and in creating application rpms, but none in the specialties of Fedora packaging. Would you accept me as co-maintainer and provide some guidance at the beginning? > > > > Peter > > > > >> -- >> Mikolaj Izdebski >> ___ >> devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org >> Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ >> List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >> List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > — > Dr. Peter Boy > Universität Bremen > Mary-Sommerville-Str. 5 > 28359 Bremen > Germany > > p...@zes.uni-bremen.de > www.zes.uni-bremen.de > > > > Are you looking for a web content management system for scientific research organizations? > Have a look at http://www.scientificcms.org > > > Are you looking for a web content management system for public administrations? > Have a look at http://www.aplaws.org & https://fedorahosted.org/aplaws/ > > ___ > devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org -- Marián Konček ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedorap
RE: Orphaning/retiring 3 Java packages
Perhaps, if this introduction is done by video conference it could be recorded and archived for future reference on this page – https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/packaging-guidelines/Java/ If its not too much trouble. -- Danny Lee I have been impressed with the urgency of doing. Knowing is not enough; we must apply. Being willing is not enough; we must do. ~ Leonardo da Vinci From: Marián Konček Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 6:20 AM To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Cc: p...@barkhof.uni-bremen.de Subject: Re: Orphaning/retiring 3 Java packages I could introduce Peter into Fedora java packaging. On 24. 7. 2019 20:03, Peter Boy wrote: > >> Am 23.07.2019 um 16:08 schrieb Mikolaj Izdebski : >> >> On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 1:50 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: >>> On 23. 07. 19 13:27, Mikolaj Izdebski wrote: >>>> Soon after Fedora 31 branching I intend to retire java-packaging-howto >>>> package and orphan byaccj and javapackages-tools packages. The reason >>>> is that I intend to maintain these packages as part of modules. >>>> >>>> I will continue to maintain non-modular packages through lifecycles of >>>> Fedora 29-31, but starting from Fedora 32 I will maintain modular >>>> versions only. >>> Do you realize that while your decision to move essential bits of Java >>> packaging >>> to modules might untie your hands a lot, it is causing everybody else >>> involved >>> more and more trouble? >> Perhaps I don't realize the trouble, could you elaborate? I expect >> orphaned packages to be adopted by someone, likely a member of >> Stewardship SIG. These two packages are low-maintenance and don't >> require much work - they don't have many upstream changes and don't >> get many bugs reported. So I don't see that much trouble in this case. >> >>> I acknowledge that it is your right to orphan essentially anything you want, >>> however the motivation here seems a bit... nonempathetic. >>> >>> Would you mind to reconsider? >> Definitely - this is the reason I wrote to the list. Do you have any >> proposal what to do with these packages instead of orphaning them? > > Sorry for jumping in. I think this might be an opportunity to participate in > the Fedora Projekt. I’ve a lot of experience in java development and in > creating application rpms, but none in the specialties of Fedora packaging. > Would you accept me as co-maintainer and provide some guidance at the > beginning? > > > > Peter > > > > >> -- >> Mikolaj Izdebski >> ___ >> devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org >> Fedora Code of Conduct: >> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ >> List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >> List Archives: >> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > — > Dr. Peter Boy > Universität Bremen > Mary-Sommerville-Str. 5 > 28359 Bremen > Germany > > p...@zes.uni-bremen.de > www.zes.uni-bremen.de > > > > Are you looking for a web content management system for scientific research > organizations? > Have a look at http://www.scientificcms.org > > > Are you looking for a web content management system for public > administrations? > Have a look at http://www.aplaws.org & https://fedorahosted.org/aplaws/ > > ___ > devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org -- Marián Konček ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Orphaning/retiring 3 Java packages
I could introduce Peter into Fedora java packaging. On 24. 7. 2019 20:03, Peter Boy wrote: Am 23.07.2019 um 16:08 schrieb Mikolaj Izdebski : On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 1:50 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: On 23. 07. 19 13:27, Mikolaj Izdebski wrote: Soon after Fedora 31 branching I intend to retire java-packaging-howto package and orphan byaccj and javapackages-tools packages. The reason is that I intend to maintain these packages as part of modules. I will continue to maintain non-modular packages through lifecycles of Fedora 29-31, but starting from Fedora 32 I will maintain modular versions only. Do you realize that while your decision to move essential bits of Java packaging to modules might untie your hands a lot, it is causing everybody else involved more and more trouble? Perhaps I don't realize the trouble, could you elaborate? I expect orphaned packages to be adopted by someone, likely a member of Stewardship SIG. These two packages are low-maintenance and don't require much work - they don't have many upstream changes and don't get many bugs reported. So I don't see that much trouble in this case. I acknowledge that it is your right to orphan essentially anything you want, however the motivation here seems a bit... nonempathetic. Would you mind to reconsider? Definitely - this is the reason I wrote to the list. Do you have any proposal what to do with these packages instead of orphaning them? Sorry for jumping in. I think this might be an opportunity to participate in the Fedora Projekt. I’ve a lot of experience in java development and in creating application rpms, but none in the specialties of Fedora packaging. Would you accept me as co-maintainer and provide some guidance at the beginning? Peter -- Mikolaj Izdebski ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org — Dr. Peter Boy Universität Bremen Mary-Sommerville-Str. 5 28359 Bremen Germany p...@zes.uni-bremen.de www.zes.uni-bremen.de Are you looking for a web content management system for scientific research organizations? Have a look at http://www.scientificcms.org Are you looking for a web content management system for public administrations? Have a look at http://www.aplaws.org & https://fedorahosted.org/aplaws/ ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org -- Marián Konček ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Orphaning/retiring 3 Java packages
On 05. 08. 19 9:57, Mikolaj Izdebski wrote: On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 5:24 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: On 23. 07. 19 16:08, Mikolaj Izdebski wrote: On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 1:50 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: I acknowledge that it is your right to orphan essentially anything you want, however the motivation here seems a bit... nonempathetic. Would you mind to reconsider? Definitely - this is the reason I wrote to the list. Do you have any proposal what to do with these packages instead of orphaning them? Keep maintaining them in normal Fedora until modular packages can be used in nonmodular builds? CCing contyk, he might have some news about that. OK, I will see how the situation develops and will then reconsider my decision. For now I will keep maintaining these packages. Thank You! -- Miro Hrončok -- Phone: +420777974800 IRC: mhroncok ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Orphaning/retiring 3 Java packages
On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 8:04 PM Peter Boy wrote: > Sorry for jumping in. I think this might be an opportunity to participate in > the Fedora Projekt. I’ve a lot of experience in java development and in > creating application rpms, but none in the specialties of Fedora packaging. > Would you accept me as co-maintainer and provide some guidance at the > beginning? I suppose you're not a packager yet. Regarding guidance, you can start with reading Java Packaging HOWTO [1] and Fedora packaging documentation on the wiki. If you have any questions then feel free to contact Java SIG [2] members through IRC or our mailing list. You don't need to be co-maintainer to contribute to Fedora packages - you can attach patches to bugs (either existing ones, or newly opened by you). Some maintainers also accept pull requests. Once you prove yourself you may be sponsored as packager and added as co-maintainer. [1] https://fedora-java.github.io/howto [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Java -- Mikolaj Izdebski ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Orphaning/retiring 3 Java packages
On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 5:24 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: > > On 23. 07. 19 16:08, Mikolaj Izdebski wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 1:50 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: > >> I acknowledge that it is your right to orphan essentially anything you > >> want, > >> however the motivation here seems a bit... nonempathetic. > >> > >> Would you mind to reconsider? > > > > Definitely - this is the reason I wrote to the list. Do you have any > > proposal what to do with these packages instead of orphaning them? > > Keep maintaining them in normal Fedora until modular packages can be used in > nonmodular builds? CCing contyk, he might have some news about that. OK, I will see how the situation develops and will then reconsider my decision. For now I will keep maintaining these packages. -- Mikolaj Izdebski ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Orphaning/retiring 3 Java packages
> Am 23.07.2019 um 16:08 schrieb Mikolaj Izdebski : > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 1:50 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: >> On 23. 07. 19 13:27, Mikolaj Izdebski wrote: >>> Soon after Fedora 31 branching I intend to retire java-packaging-howto >>> package and orphan byaccj and javapackages-tools packages. The reason >>> is that I intend to maintain these packages as part of modules. >>> >>> I will continue to maintain non-modular packages through lifecycles of >>> Fedora 29-31, but starting from Fedora 32 I will maintain modular >>> versions only. >> >> Do you realize that while your decision to move essential bits of Java >> packaging >> to modules might untie your hands a lot, it is causing everybody else >> involved >> more and more trouble? > > Perhaps I don't realize the trouble, could you elaborate? I expect > orphaned packages to be adopted by someone, likely a member of > Stewardship SIG. These two packages are low-maintenance and don't > require much work - they don't have many upstream changes and don't > get many bugs reported. So I don't see that much trouble in this case. > >> I acknowledge that it is your right to orphan essentially anything you want, >> however the motivation here seems a bit... nonempathetic. >> >> Would you mind to reconsider? > > Definitely - this is the reason I wrote to the list. Do you have any > proposal what to do with these packages instead of orphaning them? Sorry for jumping in. I think this might be an opportunity to participate in the Fedora Projekt. I’ve a lot of experience in java development and in creating application rpms, but none in the specialties of Fedora packaging. Would you accept me as co-maintainer and provide some guidance at the beginning? Peter > > -- > Mikolaj Izdebski > ___ > devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org — Dr. Peter Boy Universität Bremen Mary-Sommerville-Str. 5 28359 Bremen Germany p...@zes.uni-bremen.de www.zes.uni-bremen.de Are you looking for a web content management system for scientific research organizations? Have a look at http://www.scientificcms.org Are you looking for a web content management system for public administrations? Have a look at http://www.aplaws.org & https://fedorahosted.org/aplaws/ ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Orphaning/retiring 3 Java packages
On 23. 07. 19 16:08, Mikolaj Izdebski wrote: On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 1:50 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: On 23. 07. 19 13:27, Mikolaj Izdebski wrote: Soon after Fedora 31 branching I intend to retire java-packaging-howto package and orphan byaccj and javapackages-tools packages. The reason is that I intend to maintain these packages as part of modules. I will continue to maintain non-modular packages through lifecycles of Fedora 29-31, but starting from Fedora 32 I will maintain modular versions only. Do you realize that while your decision to move essential bits of Java packaging to modules might untie your hands a lot, it is causing everybody else involved more and more trouble? Perhaps I don't realize the trouble, could you elaborate? I expect orphaned packages to be adopted by someone, likely a member of Stewardship SIG. These two packages are low-maintenance and don't require much work - they don't have many upstream changes and don't get many bugs reported. So I don't see that much trouble in this case. And exactly the Stewardship SIG will need to maintain yet another package, that itself depends on others and others, the rabbit hole seems to have no end. I acknowledge that it is your right to orphan essentially anything you want, however the motivation here seems a bit... nonempathetic. Would you mind to reconsider? Definitely - this is the reason I wrote to the list. Do you have any proposal what to do with these packages instead of orphaning them? Keep maintaining them in normal Fedora until modular packages can be used in nonmodular builds? CCing contyk, he might have some news about that. -- Miro Hrončok -- Phone: +420777974800 IRC: mhroncok ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Orphaning/retiring 3 Java packages
On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 1:50 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: > On 23. 07. 19 13:27, Mikolaj Izdebski wrote: > > Soon after Fedora 31 branching I intend to retire java-packaging-howto > > package and orphan byaccj and javapackages-tools packages. The reason > > is that I intend to maintain these packages as part of modules. > > > > I will continue to maintain non-modular packages through lifecycles of > > Fedora 29-31, but starting from Fedora 32 I will maintain modular > > versions only. > > Do you realize that while your decision to move essential bits of Java > packaging > to modules might untie your hands a lot, it is causing everybody else involved > more and more trouble? Perhaps I don't realize the trouble, could you elaborate? I expect orphaned packages to be adopted by someone, likely a member of Stewardship SIG. These two packages are low-maintenance and don't require much work - they don't have many upstream changes and don't get many bugs reported. So I don't see that much trouble in this case. > I acknowledge that it is your right to orphan essentially anything you want, > however the motivation here seems a bit... nonempathetic. > > Would you mind to reconsider? Definitely - this is the reason I wrote to the list. Do you have any proposal what to do with these packages instead of orphaning them? -- Mikolaj Izdebski ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Orphaning/retiring 3 Java packages
On 23. 07. 19 13:27, Mikolaj Izdebski wrote: Soon after Fedora 31 branching I intend to retire java-packaging-howto package and orphan byaccj and javapackages-tools packages. The reason is that I intend to maintain these packages as part of modules. I will continue to maintain non-modular packages through lifecycles of Fedora 29-31, but starting from Fedora 32 I will maintain modular versions only. Do you realize that while your decision to move essential bits of Java packaging to modules might untie your hands a lot, it is causing everybody else involved more and more trouble? I acknowledge that it is your right to orphan essentially anything you want, however the motivation here seems a bit... nonempathetic. Would you mind to reconsider? -- Miro Hrončok -- Phone: +420777974800 IRC: mhroncok ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
