Re: Thunderbird - Unpleasant Surprise
On 10/6/20 3:14 PM, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: On 06.10.2020 22:11, Brandon Nielsen wrote: That link shows security fixes for 68.x from only a week ago. August 25, 2020 (68.12) vs. September 22, 2020 (78.3). But still, the last 68. release was 5 days ago[0], hardly seems unsupported. Sorry for all the spam. [0] - https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/68.12.1/releasenotes/ ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Thunderbird - Unpleasant Surprise
On 06.10.2020 22:11, Brandon Nielsen wrote: That link shows security fixes for 68.x from only a week ago. August 25, 2020 (68.12) vs. September 22, 2020 (78.3). -- Sincerely, Vitaly Zaitsev (vit...@easycoding.org) ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Thunderbird - Unpleasant Surprise
On 10/6/20 3:11 PM, Brandon Nielsen wrote: On 10/6/20 3:03 PM, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: On 06.10.2020 21:48, Brandon Nielsen wrote: Yes, but they clearly don't expect updates to work given the changes mentioned later in this thread and the release notes, and Fedora has users that will be updating that need to be considered. 78.3.1 includes security fixes[1]. 68.x has reached its EOL and will no longer receive updates and fixes. [1]: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/known-vulnerabilities/thunderbird/ That link shows security fixes for 68.x from only a week ago. I lied, no it doesn't. Their advisory numbers don't work how I thought. So really, this is a no win no matter what the ultimate decision is. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Thunderbird - Unpleasant Surprise
On 10/6/20 3:03 PM, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: On 06.10.2020 21:48, Brandon Nielsen wrote: Yes, but they clearly don't expect updates to work given the changes mentioned later in this thread and the release notes, and Fedora has users that will be updating that need to be considered. 78.3.1 includes security fixes[1]. 68.x has reached its EOL and will no longer receive updates and fixes. [1]: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/known-vulnerabilities/thunderbird/ That link shows security fixes for 68.x from only a week ago. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Thunderbird - Unpleasant Surprise
On 06.10.2020 21:48, Brandon Nielsen wrote: Yes, but they clearly don't expect updates to work given the changes mentioned later in this thread and the release notes, and Fedora has users that will be updating that need to be considered. 78.3.1 includes security fixes[1]. 68.x has reached its EOL and will no longer receive updates and fixes. [1]: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/known-vulnerabilities/thunderbird/ -- Sincerely, Vitaly Zaitsev (vit...@easycoding.org) ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Thunderbird - Unpleasant Surprise
On 06.10.2020 21:38, Gordon Messmer wrote: Thunderbird > 68 has significant API changes. XUL has been completely removed for extensions, as well as numerous other breaking API changes, including to preferences and address books. Version 68.x is now EOL. It will no longer receive even security updates. All users must switch to 78.3.x branch as soon as possible. Only two add-ons stopped working on my system: Enigmail (now replaced by build-in OpenPGP support) and DKIM Verifier (replaced with 4.0-beta from GitHub releases). -- Sincerely, Vitaly Zaitsev (vit...@easycoding.org) ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Thunderbird - Unpleasant Surprise
On 10/6/20 2:45 PM, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: On 06.10.2020 21:24, Brandon Nielsen wrote: Sounds to me they don't expect 78.2.1 to be entirely compatible with profiles from the previous version. $ rpm -qa thunderbird thunderbird-78.3.1-1.fc32.x86_64 Version 78.3.1 is production ready. Mozilla has made it available to all Thunderbird users on all supported platforms. $ rpm -qa thunderbird thunderbird-68.11.0-1.fc32.x86_64 Yes, but they clearly don't expect updates to work given the changes mentioned later in this thread and the release notes, and Fedora has users that will be updating that need to be considered. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Thunderbird - Unpleasant Surprise
On 10/6/20 12:08 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: I'll put in a BZ as soon as I'm not tied up in meetings. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1885722 ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Thunderbird - Unpleasant Surprise
On 06.10.2020 21:24, Brandon Nielsen wrote: Sounds to me they don't expect 78.2.1 to be entirely compatible with profiles from the previous version. $ rpm -qa thunderbird thunderbird-78.3.1-1.fc32.x86_64 Version 78.3.1 is production ready. Mozilla has made it available to all Thunderbird users on all supported platforms. -- Sincerely, Vitaly Zaitsev (vit...@easycoding.org) ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Thunderbird - Unpleasant Surprise
On 10/6/20 12:22 PM, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: On 06.10.2020 21:08, Gordon Messmer wrote: I definitely think this should be rolled back. We're past the beta freeze, and IMO, this violates the updates policy which states "Package maintainers MUST: Avoid Major version updates, ABI breakage, or API changes if at all possible." Thunderbird's update is not broken, it has no API/ABI breakages. Everything works just fine. https://developer.thunderbird.net/add-ons/updating/tb78/changes Thunderbird > 68 has significant API changes. XUL has been completely removed for extensions, as well as numerous other breaking API changes, including to preferences and address books. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Thunderbird - Unpleasant Surprise
On 10/6/20 2:22 PM, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: On 06.10.2020 21:08, Gordon Messmer wrote: I definitely think this should be rolled back. We're past the beta freeze, and IMO, this violates the updates policy which states "Package maintainers MUST: Avoid Major version updates, ABI breakage, or API changes if at all possible." Thunderbird's update is not broken, it has no API/ABI breakages. Everything works just fine. Personally, I think this change warrants its own self-contained change proposal in the next release of Fedora, even though Thunderbird 68 will not receive updates after Sep 2020 OpenPGP is now build-in into Thunderbird core. No third party addons required. One way or another, I need to roll back until SOGo has time to finish porting their extension to the new API. After rolled back, the Lightning extension isn't enabled or even visible in Add-ons, so I have to figure out how to fix that. Fedora is a bleeding edge distribution. If you need a legacy version of any package, you can always build it in COPR. I want to use the most recent version. While I agree with wanting the latest version, and it doesn't break anything I use, from the release notes linked above: "Thunderbird version 78.2.1 is only offered as direct download from thunderbird.net and not as an upgrade from Thunderbird version 68 or earlier. A future release will provide updates from earlier versions. Automatic updates are available for users already running version 78.0 or higher." Sounds to me they don't expect 78.2.1 to be entirely compatible with profiles from the previous version. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Thunderbird - Unpleasant Surprise
On 06.10.2020 21:08, Gordon Messmer wrote: I definitely think this should be rolled back. We're past the beta freeze, and IMO, this violates the updates policy which states "Package maintainers MUST: Avoid Major version updates, ABI breakage, or API changes if at all possible." Thunderbird's update is not broken, it has no API/ABI breakages. Everything works just fine. Personally, I think this change warrants its own self-contained change proposal in the next release of Fedora, even though Thunderbird 68 will not receive updates after Sep 2020 OpenPGP is now build-in into Thunderbird core. No third party addons required. One way or another, I need to roll back until SOGo has time to finish porting their extension to the new API. After rolled back, the Lightning extension isn't enabled or even visible in Add-ons, so I have to figure out how to fix that. Fedora is a bleeding edge distribution. If you need a legacy version of any package, you can always build it in COPR. I want to use the most recent version. -- Sincerely, Vitaly Zaitsev (vit...@easycoding.org) ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: Thunderbird - Unpleasant Surprise
On 10/6/20 4:29 AM, Ankur Sinha wrote: Thunderbird 78 seems to be a major "breaking" upgrade: https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/78.2.1/releasenotes/#changes I definitely think this should be rolled back. We're past the beta freeze, and IMO, this violates the updates policy which states "Package maintainers MUST: Avoid Major version updates, ABI breakage, or API changes if at all possible." Personally, I think this change warrants its own self-contained change proposal in the next release of Fedora, even though Thunderbird 68 will not receive updates after Sep 2020: https://blog.thunderbird.net/2020/09/openpgp-in-thunderbird-78/ One way or another, I need to roll back until SOGo has time to finish porting their extension to the new API. After rolled back, the Lightning extension isn't enabled or even visible in Add-ons, so I have to figure out how to fix that. Given that downgrading is not trivial, can this update be backed out ASAP? I'll put in a BZ as soon as I'm not tied up in meetings. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org
