Re: questions about "Fedora Localization Statistics"
On Tue, Apr 06, 2021 at 05:16:59PM +0100, Tom Hughes wrote: > On 06/04/2021 16:19, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > >On Tue, Apr 06, 2021 at 03:21:26PM +0100, Tom Hughes wrote: > > >>>Specifically those numbers are from the languagePopulation elements > >>>in the most recent CLDR release. > >> > >>The data for DE in PL in CLDR specifically references a source: > >> > >> >>uri="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_minority_in_Poland";>regional-official > >>in part of Opole Voivodeship; in Poland 325 schools with primary > >>instr in German, estimate 37000 students. Real figure probably > >>higher. > >> > >>Though the numbers on that page don't get near the 7 million > >>that is being claimed. > > > >Yeah, that seems widely off. Wikipedia says "0.38%" which is in > >approximate agreement with "0.5%" that I cited above. > > > >I wonder how good the data is for other territories. > > There's a big chart of the data, with links for reporting bugs here: > > https://unicode-org.github.io/cldr-staging/charts/38/supplemental/territory_language_information.html https://unicode-org.atlassian.net/browse/CLDR-14648 I wonder when the urge to file bugs can be classified as pathological ;) Zbyszek ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: questions about "Fedora Localization Statistics"
On 06/04/2021 16:19, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: On Tue, Apr 06, 2021 at 03:21:26PM +0100, Tom Hughes wrote: Specifically those numbers are from the languagePopulation elements in the most recent CLDR release. The data for DE in PL in CLDR specifically references a source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_minority_in_Poland";>regional-official in part of Opole Voivodeship; in Poland 325 schools with primary instr in German, estimate 37000 students. Real figure probably higher. Though the numbers on that page don't get near the 7 million that is being claimed. Yeah, that seems widely off. Wikipedia says "0.38%" which is in approximate agreement with "0.5%" that I cited above. I wonder how good the data is for other territories. There's a big chart of the data, with links for reporting bugs here: https://unicode-org.github.io/cldr-staging/charts/38/supplemental/territory_language_information.html Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: questions about "Fedora Localization Statistics"
On Tue, Apr 06, 2021 at 03:21:26PM +0100, Tom Hughes wrote: > On 06/04/2021 15:16, Tom Hughes wrote: > >On 06/04/2021 14:47, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > > >>I'm looking at https://languages.stg.fedoraproject.org/territories/pl/, > >>and it says: > >> > >>be (0.58 %) > >>csb official_regional (0.13 %) > >>de official_regional (19 %) > >>en (33 %) > >>lt official_regional (0.021 %) > >>pl official (96 %) > >>ru (18 %) > >>sli (0.031 %) > >>szl (1.3 %) > >>uk (0.39 %) > >> > >>I think it's be good to order those items by percentage, rather than > >>alphabetically. > >> > >>But my question is: what are those numbers supposed to _mean_? > > > >As the page says the data comes from CLDR and that is documented here: > > > >https://unicode.org/reports/tr35/tr35-info.html#Supplemental_Territory_Information Ah, cool. "approximate figures for the literate, functional population for each language in each territory: that is, the population that is able to read and write each language, and is comfortable enough to use it with computers." > >Specifically those numbers are from the languagePopulation elements > >in the most recent CLDR release. > > The data for DE in PL in CLDR specifically references a source: > > uri="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_minority_in_Poland";>regional-official > in part of Opole Voivodeship; in Poland 325 schools with primary > instr in German, estimate 37000 students. Real figure probably > higher. > > Though the numbers on that page don't get near the 7 million > that is being claimed. Yeah, that seems widely off. Wikipedia says "0.38%" which is in approximate agreement with "0.5%" that I cited above. I wonder how good the data is for other territories. Zbyszek ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: questions about "Fedora Localization Statistics"
On 06/04/2021 15:16, Tom Hughes wrote: On 06/04/2021 14:47, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: I'm looking at https://languages.stg.fedoraproject.org/territories/pl/, and it says: be (0.58 %) csb official_regional (0.13 %) de official_regional (19 %) en (33 %) lt official_regional (0.021 %) pl official (96 %) ru (18 %) sli (0.031 %) szl (1.3 %) uk (0.39 %) I think it's be good to order those items by percentage, rather than alphabetically. But my question is: what are those numbers supposed to _mean_? As the page says the data comes from CLDR and that is documented here: https://unicode.org/reports/tr35/tr35-info.html#Supplemental_Territory_Information Specifically those numbers are from the languagePopulation elements in the most recent CLDR release. The data for DE in PL in CLDR specifically references a source: uri="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_minority_in_Poland";>regional-official in part of Opole Voivodeship; in Poland 325 schools with primary instr in German, estimate 37000 students. Real figure probably higher. Though the numbers on that page don't get near the 7 million that is being claimed. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: questions about "Fedora Localization Statistics"
On 06/04/2021 14:47, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: I'm looking at https://languages.stg.fedoraproject.org/territories/pl/, and it says: be (0.58 %) csb official_regional (0.13 %) de official_regional (19 %) en (33 %) lt official_regional (0.021 %) pl official (96 %) ru (18 %) sli (0.031 %) szl (1.3 %) uk (0.39 %) I think it's be good to order those items by percentage, rather than alphabetically. But my question is: what are those numbers supposed to _mean_? As the page says the data comes from CLDR and that is documented here: https://unicode.org/reports/tr35/tr35-info.html#Supplemental_Territory_Information Specifically those numbers are from the languagePopulation elements in the most recent CLDR release. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
