journal object transfer for 8.2
Hi Kim and Michael, have heard occasional requests to implement the sending and sharing of journal entries. Eben has specified how object transfer would work in the shell: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Specifications/Object_Transfers And Benjamin Schwartz has implemented an activity that tries to solve this issue outside the shell: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Share So the questions are: is this a feature we should deliver for the 8.2 release? Which amount of support we should add to the shell if any? Which transport means should we use? Should the shell work depend on file transfer capabilities to be added to telepathy? Thanks. Tomeu ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [OLPC Security] Bitfrost and dual-boot
On 30.05.2008, at 19:38, C. Scott Ananian wrote: In any case, the best response is clear: continue to work on the Linux software stack and ensure that it is simply better than the Windows alternative. I've heard a lot of sturm und drang, but am saddened that I haven't seen much help from those shouting in actually making Sugar/Linux more competitive: http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/5452 http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/5451 (as well as the task lists I've previously posted at: http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2008-May/014539.html (end of message) http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2008-May/0136 ) +5 on that. Just being free and open doesn't cut it, it actually has to be at least as good as the proprietary software for the users. Let's hope some more folk from the peanut gallery joins us down here in the arena. We need people like Albert who do both - criticize *and* contribute, like he did with libsugarize which still is the simplest thing to get regular apps running as an activity. - Bert - ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [sugar] TamTam is broken in jhbuild.
Right now there are several issues that makes it not work. So I removed it from the mod list for now... Marco On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 8:50 PM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying to get jhbuild setup on Ubuntu. I have everything working, but the tamtam module won't build, and fails because it can't locate setup.py. The build script (scripts/bundlemodule.py) just attempts to call (within the do_build method) python setup.py build in the source directory, whereas the tamtam module has a setup.sh file which references individual setup.py files in each activity subdirectory instead. This error was introduced with the rearrangement of the modules in the following commit: http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=sugar-jhbuild;a=commitdiff;h=a742ce634d9d1a9bf5f02925097c6c9cf1bf8ccd I don't know if the fix belongs in the jhbuild scripts or in the tamtam module, but it would be nice to clear this up either way. Thanks! - Eben ___ Sugar mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Fwd: Re: #7116 NORM Never A: Possible European G1G1 program needs appropriate keyboards]
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 7:09 AM, Kim Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adam and Support gang, A second G1G1 program will still be only US/International keyboards (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Keyboard_layouts#US_International_keyboard). There are too many logistics, production, forecasting, and shipping issues associated with more than a couple of SKUs (different laptop configurations) for a G1G1 program. I don't know whether that is acceptable to Europe. They want Cyrillic (Bulgarian and Serbian layouts are completely different from each other and from Russian, Ukrainian, and Belarusian, which are all quite similar), Greek, and Eastern European (Czech, Slovak, Polish...are nearly identical), at least. I can look up the standard layouts in more detail if that will help. You need to specify exactly which countries will be included in your version of Europe. Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia are EU members. So are Malta and Cyprus. Turkey is a candidate. Croatia, Bosnia/Herzegovina, Serbia, Macedonia, Montenegro, and Albania are not members. You had better get the lawyers to check out EU regulations on computer sales. I suppose that you can get away with printing only US International on the keyboard as long as you say so, very clearly, in the announcements and ads, and explain how to access the other layouts in a document shipped with the laptops. But, from a languages perspective, It would be great to point translators for European languages (or any languages) to various ways in which they can help translate our wiki pages and add to the product translations through Pootle. IFYP Here are some links: Localization of XO files: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Localization Translating wiki pages: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Translating Pootle page, including table of localizers: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Pootle Pootle: http://dev.laptop.org/translate Localization mailing list at http://lists.laptop.org/ Thanks, Kim On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 3:14 PM, Adam Holt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Kim, Can we get some preliminary discussion going in the next couple weeks, towards helping people set up fuller support structure for those European languages? Talk to me about any language support issues that management isn't handling. Or if nothing else, an idea as to how many EU countries are liable to be supported for 2008's G1G1? Whether it's 2 countries or 12 countries makes all the world of difference Uh, actually there are 27 countries in the EU, and 8 candidates. Non-members include Switzerland, Norway, and the new countries formed from former Yugoslavia (except Slovenia). ;) --A! %-[ -- Edward Cherlin End Poverty at a Profit by teaching children business http://www.EarthTreasury.org/ The best way to predict the future is to invent it.--Alan Kay ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Notes from Nepal lunch with Rabi
Notes from a meeting we had on Friday with Rabi Karmacharya from OLE Nepal. Notes were taken by Kim, with minor edits by Bryan Berry and Paul Fox. Rabi: could we get a copy of your slides to post? Kim: it may be worthwhile for OLPC to purchase a video camera so we can get in the habit of posting video of talks like this. Community: could I get a volunteer to wiki-fy this? --scott -- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, May 30, 2008 at 2:15 PM Subject: [Techteam] Notes from Nepal lunch with Rabi Rabi Karmacharya works with Bryan Berry on OLE Nepal; presented information from a recent trip to Denmark (who has sponsored much of their work) Found their own board of directors: Medical doctor, bank CEO, Lawyer (delicensed frequency band) Individuals are from the private sector. They got money from the government of Denmark to help with this education project in Nepal. OLE Nepal is working together with Nepal's Department of Education. Rabi expects it will take 3-4 years to completely hand over administration of OLPC to the government. In 1951 there were 351 schools in Nepal; In 1971, there were 7250 schools (after the fall of authoritarian regime); 32% enrollment. In 1971 started a push for mass education. In 2003 there were 28,000 schools, 87% enrollment; but 46% drop out by grade 5. Focus has been on quantity... now OLE wants to help improve quality and reduce the disparity of education. Nepal government has signed on to educational for all. 25 million population, Nepal 8 million school age children 2-3 million in Kathmandu Average 80 students/class in the south In the sparsely populated areas, there might be only 10 students in a grade level, so they will have multi-grade classrooms. OLE is creating software to integrate the laptop in the curriculum. They are also doing teacher training and trying to get the involvement of the teachers. Teacher preparation (not really training). Design and installation of physical infrastructure. Connecting schools together is one challenge, then bandwidth to the internet is the next level. Goal: 3-4 years and then government should take ownership of the project. Nepal has created their own server and hope to roll this out. John explained the limitations of our 'chatty' mesh and the recommended practice for wifi, school server that might help Nepal to be successful. Our recommendation is an infrastructure access point (wifi) with school server including a jabber service. Other info: 200 laptops have been received; 135 given to children and 20+ given to teachers 1 case of sticky keyboard, 1-2 battery problems Touchpads - lots of complaints at the beginning; sweaty fingers; pushing too hard; sometimes the probelm just went away over time or with a reboot. If you go into a school today you might find 10% of the kids complain about the touchpad. But they get around the problems. Using build 703 Spare parts will be needed Power racks were built for charging laptops; the kids are mostly sitting on the floor so there is no way to have power cables. When the laptop has low battery, they need to put in the charging rack for a few hours. --- Paul Fox adds: you might include rabi's comment that one teacher thought that having the chargers remain at school might be a good thing, since it encouraged the kids to come to school every day. :-) they don't send the chargers home, since it's more important that the laptops be chargeable while at school than at home. (in conversations with richard and me after the broader meeting, rabi made it clear that the availability of extra batteries, extra chargers, and the bulk charger, are very interesting. many kids don't have power at home, meaning they have to charge their laptop when they get to school. this makes using the laptops during the first class of the day problematic.) -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Notes from Nepal lunch with Rabi
I have thought for a while, especially after my six days of classroom use of these, that having a spare battery per XO and a way of charging these independent of the laptop would be extremely helpful. If the batteries are a $10 part (I thought I had read that before, but can no longer find the reference), it would be excellent to ship with a second battery and some kind of mass charger. In settings where homes don't have power or not reliable power, it would be more useful than shipping an individual charger with each laptop. It would mean that the battery could be switched for a fully charged one when the laptop was sent home and that it could always be used untethered in the school. On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 8:26 AM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Notes from a meeting we had on Friday with Rabi Karmacharya from OLE Nepal. Notes were taken by Kim, with minor edits by Bryan Berry and Paul Fox. Rabi: could we get a copy of your slides to post? Kim: it may be worthwhile for OLPC to purchase a video camera so we can get in the habit of posting video of talks like this. Community: could I get a volunteer to wiki-fy this? --scott -- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, May 30, 2008 at 2:15 PM Subject: [Techteam] Notes from Nepal lunch with Rabi Rabi Karmacharya works with Bryan Berry on OLE Nepal; presented information from a recent trip to Denmark (who has sponsored much of their work) Found their own board of directors: Medical doctor, bank CEO, Lawyer (delicensed frequency band) Individuals are from the private sector. They got money from the government of Denmark to help with this education project in Nepal. OLE Nepal is working together with Nepal's Department of Education. Rabi expects it will take 3-4 years to completely hand over administration of OLPC to the government. In 1951 there were 351 schools in Nepal; In 1971, there were 7250 schools (after the fall of authoritarian regime); 32% enrollment. In 1971 started a push for mass education. In 2003 there were 28,000 schools, 87% enrollment; but 46% drop out by grade 5. Focus has been on quantity... now OLE wants to help improve quality and reduce the disparity of education. Nepal government has signed on to educational for all. 25 million population, Nepal 8 million school age children 2-3 million in Kathmandu Average 80 students/class in the south In the sparsely populated areas, there might be only 10 students in a grade level, so they will have multi-grade classrooms. OLE is creating software to integrate the laptop in the curriculum. They are also doing teacher training and trying to get the involvement of the teachers. Teacher preparation (not really training). Design and installation of physical infrastructure. Connecting schools together is one challenge, then bandwidth to the internet is the next level. Goal: 3-4 years and then government should take ownership of the project. Nepal has created their own server and hope to roll this out. John explained the limitations of our 'chatty' mesh and the recommended practice for wifi, school server that might help Nepal to be successful. Our recommendation is an infrastructure access point (wifi) with school server including a jabber service. Other info: 200 laptops have been received; 135 given to children and 20+ given to teachers 1 case of sticky keyboard, 1-2 battery problems Touchpads - lots of complaints at the beginning; sweaty fingers; pushing too hard; sometimes the probelm just went away over time or with a reboot. If you go into a school today you might find 10% of the kids complain about the touchpad. But they get around the problems. Using build 703 Spare parts will be needed Power racks were built for charging laptops; the kids are mostly sitting on the floor so there is no way to have power cables. When the laptop has low battery, they need to put in the charging rack for a few hours. --- Paul Fox adds: you might include rabi's comment that one teacher thought that having the chargers remain at school might be a good thing, since it encouraged the kids to come to school every day. :-) they don't send the chargers home, since it's more important that the laptops be chargeable while at school than at home. (in conversations with richard and me after the broader meeting, rabi made it clear that the availability of extra batteries, extra chargers, and the bulk charger, are very interesting. many kids don't have power at home, meaning they have to charge their laptop when they get to school. this makes using the laptops during the first class of the day problematic.) -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel -- Always do right, said Mark Twain. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest.
Re: Notes from Nepal lunch with Rabi
Community: could I get a volunteer to wiki-fy this? Done. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLE_Nepal_Presentation_at_1cc ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
