Re: latest HaitiOS-0.6 very close

[James Cameron]

On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 02:26:05AM -0500, Adam Holt wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 12:29 AM, Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn 
>  > wrote:
> 
> >as our more English/Intl version
> 
> This activity is on Pootle, written in English and translated to French,
> Spanish, Chinese etc.
> 
> I found that you are using Jump!! :-)
> 
> http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4599
> 
> 
> While our near-final list of Activities is here:
> http://xsce.activitycentral.com/downloads/HaitiOS-0.6/bundles/
> 
> Layered on top of XO-1's tried+true Release 12.1.0:
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1/12.1
> 
> I'm also encouraging Sora to showcase in Haiti over Dec/Jan any/all new Sugar
> Activity recommendations such as Alan's 
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities
> /ConozcoAmerica, to see what's meaningfully enticing in our small but growing
> list of schools.  And arguably much more interesting are the computer clubs
> we're creating at orphanages, where curiosity for XOs seems to be consistently
> higher.  So that many more countries than just Haiti can benefit from unknown
> but fascinating Sugar Activities, on these XO-1s that will never
> die!

Summary: too late for 0.6, but after testing it might be in 0.7?

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Re: latest HaitiOS-0.6 very close

[Adam Holt]

On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 12:29 AM, Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn <
alan...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> >as our more English/Intl version
>
> This activity is on Pootle, written in English and translated to French,
> Spanish, Chinese etc.
>
> I found that you are using Jump!! :-)
>
> http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4599
>

While our near-final list of Activities is here:
http://xsce.activitycentral.com/downloads/HaitiOS-0.6/bundles/

Layered on top of XO-1's tried+true Release 12.1.0:
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1/12.1

I'm also encouraging Sora to showcase in Haiti over Dec/Jan any/all new
Sugar Activity recommendations such as Alan's
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/ConozcoAmerica, to see what's
meaningfully enticing in our small but growing list of schools.  And
arguably much more interesting are the computer clubs we're creating at
orphanages, where curiosity for XOs seems to be consistently higher.  So
that many more countries than just Haiti can benefit from unknown but
fascinating Sugar Activities, on these XO-1s that will never die!

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RE: latest HaitiOS-0.6 very close

[Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn]

>as our more English/Intl version
This activity is on Pootle, written in English and translated to French, 
Spanish, Chinese etc.

I found that you are using Jump!! :-)
http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4599
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Re: latest HaitiOS-0.6 very close

[Adam Holt]

On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 11:24 PM, Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn <
alan...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Who decides wich activities are included on the image?
>

6 people who have contributed tremendously to HaitiOS 6.0 are listed here:
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/HaitiOS (others who have contributed should add
their names!)

Can I suggest "I know America"?
>
> http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4464
> 


Thanks Alan: I hope kids appreciate it in coming weeks in Haiti, and if so
as well as our more English/Intl version (HaitiOS 6.1?) that will be
distributed on Contributors Program XO-1s around the world.  We'll keep you
posted @ http://haitidreams.org and http://projectrive.wordpress.com both
of which syndicated into http://planet.laptop.org

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Re: latest HaitiOS-0.6 very close

[James Cameron]

On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 01:24:33AM -0300, Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn wrote:
> Who decides wich activities are included on the image?

Don't know, I think the process is ad-hoc.

For OLPC OS the process is a bug in our tracker, but HaitiOS is not
following these processes.  And nor need it do so.

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Re: latest HaitiOS-0.6 very close

[James Cameron]

Yeah, I can see how you might think the .zip file is the same as the
.rom file, since they have the same version of firmware.

They are different packaging of the firmware.

The bootfw.zip contains within it a file data.img which was renamed
from q2f19.rom, and a file data.sig which is the cryptographic
signature for data.img.

The firmware opens bootfw.zip, reads the file data.sig, checks the
signature, and reads the file data.img, checks the version, and if
newer than current version begins a reflash.

The signature is critical to the normal firmware upgrade process.

Illustration:

$ wget [...]/bootfw.zip [...]/q2f19.rom
$ unzip bootfw.zip
$ md5sum q2f19.rom data.img data.sig
8ebeb4ada8d59c5031c48b60ecf0899b  q2f19.rom
8ebeb4ada8d59c5031c48b60ecf0899b  data.img
eea8805b8d965f4c8f93f8601d23c19c  data.sig
$ cmp q2f19.rom data.img && echo same
same
$ 

On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 07:39:06PM -0500, George Hunt wrote:
> I was checking the md5sum of bootfw.zip, as James suggested.  
> 
> I noticed that the q2f19.rom generated a different md5sum than the bootfw.zip.
> And I didn't think the filename was included in the md5sum.
> 
> So I copied the contents of the g2f19.4om to a file called bootfw.zip in the /
> boot folder on the USB stick.
> 
> The 4button startup no longer stalled.  So I suspect that Jerry's hunch was
> correct. To completely test the solution, I should downgrade the firmware, and
> make sure it gets upgraded.
> 
> Which I am about to do.
> 
> George
> 
> 
> On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 6:36 PM, James Cameron  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 06:20:38PM -0500, George Hunt wrote:
> > I'll test Jerry's hypothesis that the q2119 wasn't signed properly
> > by substituting an official one. I'm out this evening. So whatever
> > happens will need to be in the next 4 hours.
> 
> We've never signed anything called q2119.
> 
> Perhaps you mean q2f19.
> 
> Check your copy is correct.
> 
> q2f19's bootfw.zip has md5sum 8585307de5cc8d6867bf58ef56d59f3a
> 
> To test that it is signed: downgrade a laptop to q2f18, put the file
> on a USB drive in the boot directory, insert USB drive into laptop,
> hold down the X game key, turn power on.  The display should say if
> the signature passed or failed.
> 
> The upstream link is
> http://dev.laptop.org/pub/firmware/q2f19/bootfw.zip
>
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> http://quozl.linux.org.au/
> 
> 

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Re: latest HaitiOS-0.6 very close

[George Hunt]

I was checking the md5sum of bootfw.zip, as James suggested.

I noticed that the q2f19.rom generated a different md5sum than the
bootfw.zip. And I didn't think the filename was included in the md5sum.

So I copied the contents of the g2f19.4om to a file called bootfw.zip in
the /boot folder on the USB stick.

The 4button startup no longer stalled.  So I suspect that Jerry's hunch was
correct. To completely test the solution, I should downgrade the firmware,
and make sure it gets upgraded.

Which I am about to do.

George


On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 6:36 PM, James Cameron  wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 06:20:38PM -0500, George Hunt wrote:
> > I'll test Jerry's hypothesis that the q2119 wasn't signed properly
> > by substituting an official one. I'm out this evening. So whatever
> > happens will need to be in the next 4 hours.
>
> We've never signed anything called q2119.
>
> Perhaps you mean q2f19.
>
> Check your copy is correct.
>
> q2f19's bootfw.zip has md5sum 8585307de5cc8d6867bf58ef56d59f3a
>
> To test that it is signed: downgrade a laptop to q2f18, put the file
> on a USB drive in the boot directory, insert USB drive into laptop,
> hold down the X game key, turn power on.  The display should say if
> the signature passed or failed.
>
> The upstream link is
> http://dev.laptop.org/pub/firmware/q2f19/bootfw.zip
>
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Re: latest HaitiOS-0.6 very close

[James Cameron]

On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 06:20:38PM -0500, George Hunt wrote:
> I'll test Jerry's hypothesis that the q2119 wasn't signed properly
> by substituting an official one. I'm out this evening. So whatever
> happens will need to be in the next 4 hours.

We've never signed anything called q2119.

Perhaps you mean q2f19.

Check your copy is correct.

q2f19's bootfw.zip has md5sum 8585307de5cc8d6867bf58ef56d59f3a

To test that it is signed: downgrade a laptop to q2f18, put the file
on a USB drive in the boot directory, insert USB drive into laptop,
hold down the X game key, turn power on.  The display should say if
the signature passed or failed.

The upstream link is
http://dev.laptop.org/pub/firmware/q2f19/bootfw.zip

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Re: latest HaitiOS-0.6 very close

[George Hunt]

Tim,

I'll let you deal with the TuxPaint issues.

I'll try to get Sora's favorites, and the one new activity Stopwatch.

I'll test Jerry's hypothesis that the q2119 wasn't signed properly by
substituting an official one. I'm out this evening. So whatever happens
will need to be in the next 4 hours.


On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Sora Edwards-Thro wrote:

> Last minute addition, if we've got the space and time to mess with it:
> Stopwatch 16. It would be a starred one.
> http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4263
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 5:51 PM, Sora Edwards-Thro 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Yeah, so I'm going for a set of activities that the kids can immediately
>> understand / make something out of  - I don't want there to be anything on
>> this screen where the teacher would have to go "Wait, don't click on that
>> one; it's kind of confusing." Of course I made some exceptions for
>> activities they'll be using frequently or ones that require a bit of
>> explanation to get started but then the work is largely independent.
>>
>> Feel free to tweak the list in the document (see columns G and H here:
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AugVXkFnPouIdFNac2ZEUVFQdHpZaC1NNHlmanpFTmc&usp=drive_web#gid=0
>> ).
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 5:10 PM, Tim Moody  wrote:
>>
>>> got it.  but now can I just install it with yum.cmd in tiny so I don't
>>> have to build a whole OS?
>>>
>>>
>>> Tim
>>> -Original Message- From: Jerry Vonau
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 4:57 PM
>>>
>>> To: Tim Moody
>>> Cc: Sandra / Sora Edwards-Thro ; Curt Thompson ; Developers List ;
>>> George Hunt ; Adam Holt
>>> Subject: Re: latest HaitiOS-0.6 very close
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://mock.laptop.org/cgit/local.13.2.0-xo1/tree/RPMS
>>>
>>> Use the 'plain' link on the right to save the rpm.
>>>
>>> Jerry
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Tim Moody" 
>>> To: "Jerry Vonau" 
>>> Cc: "Sandra / Sora Edwards-Thro" , "Curt
>>> Thompson" , "Developers List" <
>>> devel@lists.laptop.org>, "George Hunt" , "Adam
>>> Holt" 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 18 December, 2013 3:43:11 PM
>>> Subject: Re: latest HaitiOS-0.6 very close
>>>
>>> but is the firmware an rpm?  I assumed it wasn't.
>>>
>>> Tim
>>> -Original Message- From: Jerry Vonau
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 4:12 PM
>>> To: Tim Moody
>>> Cc: Sandra / Sora Edwards-Thro ; Curt Thompson ; Developers List ; George
>>> Hunt ; Adam Holt
>>> Subject: Re: latest HaitiOS-0.6 very close
>>>
>>> Hi Tim,
>>>
>>> I'd first see if you can build an image with a stock configuration before
>>> you introduce any changes. I'd create a yum repo containing the rpm on
>>> the
>>> building box, next introduce that yum repo into olpc-os-builder with an
>>> entry in the [repos] section of the .ini file. ie:
>>>
>>> custom_repo_1=1,xo1-fw,file:///
>>>
>>>
>>> After your changes run OOB and check the output/packages.txt to see which
>>> version was installed.
>>>
>>> Jerry
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Tim Moody" 
>>> To: "George Hunt" , "Adam Holt"
>>> 
>>> Cc: "Sandra / Sora Edwards-Thro" , "Curt Thompson"
>>> , "Developers List" ,
>>> jvo...@shaw.ca
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 18 December, 2013 12:12:48 PM
>>> Subject: Re: latest HaitiOS-0.6 very close
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  given the potential for error, I re-downloaded the q2f199, and without
 changing name, copied it up to our boot directory.

 Then when I tar-ed it all up, downloaded, the tar, expanded, I
 discovered
 that the presence of the bootfw.zip in the boot directory prevented the
 4button load (finding the signed OS img using fs.zip or fs0.zip) from
 working.

 The observation was that It didn't find the image after 4 button
 startup.
 Then moved /boot/bootfw.zip to /boot/bootfw.zip.gh, and the img was
 loaded.

>>>
>>> I went part way down the road of trying to bundle q2f19 into 21021o0.img,
>>> but stopped because I hoped the approach you tried would work.
>>>
>>> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Updating_the_XO#Firmware says the os image
>>> includes firmware. so I installed olpc-os-builder and had a look at
>>> olpc-os-12.1.0-xo1.ini, but I don’t see how to rebuild with the later
>>> firmware.
>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: latest HaitiOS-0.6 very close

[Jerry Vonau]

Think your best bet is to install tuxpaint via yum(yum.cmd -> install tuxpaint) 
and in asroot use rpm -Uvh  (installs to /boot/) to upgrade the 
firmware and do any path adjustments or renaming at the same time. You could 
just use rpm commands in asroot also.

Jerry


- Original Message -
From: "Tim Moody" 
To: "Jerry Vonau" 
Cc: "Sandra / Sora Edwards-Thro" , "Curt Thompson" 
, "Developers List" , "George 
Hunt" , "Adam Holt" 
Sent: Wednesday, 18 December, 2013 4:10:15 PM
Subject: Re: latest HaitiOS-0.6 very close

got it.  but now can I just install it with yum.cmd in tiny so I don't have 
to build a whole OS?

Tim
-Original Message- 
From: Jerry Vonau
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 4:57 PM
To: Tim Moody
Cc: Sandra / Sora Edwards-Thro ; Curt Thompson ; Developers List ; George 
Hunt ; Adam Holt
Subject: Re: latest HaitiOS-0.6 very close



http://mock.laptop.org/cgit/local.13.2.0-xo1/tree/RPMS

Use the 'plain' link on the right to save the rpm.

Jerry


- Original Message -
From: "Tim Moody" 
To: "Jerry Vonau" 
Cc: "Sandra / Sora Edwards-Thro" , "Curt Thompson" 
, "Developers List" , 
"George Hunt" , "Adam Holt" 
Sent: Wednesday, 18 December, 2013 3:43:11 PM
Subject: Re: latest HaitiOS-0.6 very close

but is the firmware an rpm?  I assumed it wasn't.

Tim
-Original Message- 
From: Jerry Vonau
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 4:12 PM
To: Tim Moody
Cc: Sandra / Sora Edwards-Thro ; Curt Thompson ; Developers List ; George
Hunt ; Adam Holt
Subject: Re: latest HaitiOS-0.6 very close

Hi Tim,

I'd first see if you can build an image with a stock configuration before
you introduce any changes. I'd create a yum repo containing the rpm on the
building box, next introduce that yum repo into olpc-os-builder with an
entry in the [repos] section of the .ini file. ie:

custom_repo_1=1,xo1-fw,file:///


After your changes run OOB and check the output/packages.txt to see which
version was installed.

Jerry


- Original Message -
From: "Tim Moody" 
To: "George Hunt" , "Adam Holt"

Cc: "Sandra / Sora Edwards-Thro" , "Curt Thompson"
, "Developers List" ,
jvo...@shaw.ca
Sent: Wednesday, 18 December, 2013 12:12:48 PM
Subject: Re: latest HaitiOS-0.6 very close




>given the potential for error, I re-downloaded the q2f199, and without
>changing name, copied it up to our boot directory.
>
>Then when I tar-ed it all up, downloaded, the tar, expanded, I discovered
>that the presence of the bootfw.zip in the boot directory prevented the
>4button load (finding the signed OS img using fs.zip or fs0.zip) from
>working.
>
>The observation was that It didn't find the image after 4 button startup.
>Then moved /boot/bootfw.zip to /boot/bootfw.zip.gh, and the img was loaded.

I went part way down the road of trying to bundle q2f19 into 21021o0.img,
but stopped because I hoped the approach you tried would work.

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Updating_the_XO#Firmware says the os image
includes firmware. so I installed olpc-os-builder and had a look at
olpc-os-12.1.0-xo1.ini, but I don’t see how to rebuild with the later
firmware.

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Re: latest HaitiOS-0.6 very close

[James Cameron]

Using bootfw.zip from a USB drive will only work for secure laptops,
or unsecure laptops with the X key held down.  This is coded in the
firmware.  Since you must use unsecure laptops, because of your
customiser, this code is skipped.

Using bootfw.zip on internal storage will work in the same way, coded
in the firmware.  But in the case where the laptop is unsecure and the
X key is not held down, the OLPC OS provided file int:\boot\olpc.fth
triggers the process instead.

So you could use your post-install customiser to copy the bootfw.zip
file in /boot, and on next power cycle it will be reflashed.

I advise, however, that you leave the file in u:\boot\bootfw.zip and
hold down the X key on first boot, then hold down the four game keys
on second boot.  This will mean the firmware will upgrade first, while
you are there and watching.

If you have volunteers who can't cope with that precaution, continue
with the four game key method.

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Re: latest HaitiOS-0.6 very close

[Tim Moody]

got it.  but now can I just install it with yum.cmd in tiny so I don't have 
to build a whole OS?


Tim
-Original Message- 
From: Jerry Vonau

Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 4:57 PM
To: Tim Moody
Cc: Sandra / Sora Edwards-Thro ; Curt Thompson ; Developers List ; George 
Hunt ; Adam Holt

Subject: Re: latest HaitiOS-0.6 very close



http://mock.laptop.org/cgit/local.13.2.0-xo1/tree/RPMS

Use the 'plain' link on the right to save the rpm.

Jerry


- Original Message -
From: "Tim Moody" 
To: "Jerry Vonau" 
Cc: "Sandra / Sora Edwards-Thro" , "Curt Thompson" 
, "Developers List" , 
"George Hunt" , "Adam Holt" 

Sent: Wednesday, 18 December, 2013 3:43:11 PM
Subject: Re: latest HaitiOS-0.6 very close

but is the firmware an rpm?  I assumed it wasn't.

Tim
-Original Message- 
From: Jerry Vonau

Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 4:12 PM
To: Tim Moody
Cc: Sandra / Sora Edwards-Thro ; Curt Thompson ; Developers List ; George
Hunt ; Adam Holt
Subject: Re: latest HaitiOS-0.6 very close

Hi Tim,

I'd first see if you can build an image with a stock configuration before
you introduce any changes. I'd create a yum repo containing the rpm on the
building box, next introduce that yum repo into olpc-os-builder with an
entry in the [repos] section of the .ini file. ie:

custom_repo_1=1,xo1-fw,file:///


After your changes run OOB and check the output/packages.txt to see which
version was installed.

Jerry


- Original Message -
From: "Tim Moody" 
To: "George Hunt" , "Adam Holt"

Cc: "Sandra / Sora Edwards-Thro" , "Curt Thompson"
, "Developers List" ,
jvo...@shaw.ca
Sent: Wednesday, 18 December, 2013 12:12:48 PM
Subject: Re: latest HaitiOS-0.6 very close





given the potential for error, I re-downloaded the q2f199, and without
changing name, copied it up to our boot directory.

Then when I tar-ed it all up, downloaded, the tar, expanded, I discovered
that the presence of the bootfw.zip in the boot directory prevented the
4button load (finding the signed OS img using fs.zip or fs0.zip) from
working.

The observation was that It didn't find the image after 4 button startup.
Then moved /boot/bootfw.zip to /boot/bootfw.zip.gh, and the img was loaded.


I went part way down the road of trying to bundle q2f19 into 21021o0.img,
but stopped because I hoped the approach you tried would work.

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Updating_the_XO#Firmware says the os image
includes firmware. so I installed olpc-os-builder and had a look at
olpc-os-12.1.0-xo1.ini, but I don’t see how to rebuild with the later
firmware.

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Re: latest HaitiOS-0.6 very close

[Jerry Vonau]

http://mock.laptop.org/cgit/local.13.2.0-xo1/tree/RPMS

Use the 'plain' link on the right to save the rpm.

Jerry


- Original Message -
From: "Tim Moody" 
To: "Jerry Vonau" 
Cc: "Sandra / Sora Edwards-Thro" , "Curt Thompson" 
, "Developers List" , "George 
Hunt" , "Adam Holt" 
Sent: Wednesday, 18 December, 2013 3:43:11 PM
Subject: Re: latest HaitiOS-0.6 very close

but is the firmware an rpm?  I assumed it wasn't.

Tim
-Original Message- 
From: Jerry Vonau
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 4:12 PM
To: Tim Moody
Cc: Sandra / Sora Edwards-Thro ; Curt Thompson ; Developers List ; George 
Hunt ; Adam Holt
Subject: Re: latest HaitiOS-0.6 very close

Hi Tim,

I'd first see if you can build an image with a stock configuration before 
you introduce any changes. I'd create a yum repo containing the rpm on the 
building box, next introduce that yum repo into olpc-os-builder with an 
entry in the [repos] section of the .ini file. ie:

custom_repo_1=1,xo1-fw,file:///


After your changes run OOB and check the output/packages.txt to see which 
version was installed.

Jerry


- Original Message -
From: "Tim Moody" 
To: "George Hunt" , "Adam Holt" 

Cc: "Sandra / Sora Edwards-Thro" , "Curt Thompson" 
, "Developers List" , 
jvo...@shaw.ca
Sent: Wednesday, 18 December, 2013 12:12:48 PM
Subject: Re: latest HaitiOS-0.6 very close




>given the potential for error, I re-downloaded the q2f199, and without 
>changing name, copied it up to our boot directory.
>
>Then when I tar-ed it all up, downloaded, the tar, expanded, I discovered 
>that the presence of the bootfw.zip in the boot directory prevented the 
>4button load (finding the signed OS img using fs.zip or fs0.zip) from 
>working.
>
>The observation was that It didn't find the image after 4 button startup. 
>Then moved /boot/bootfw.zip to /boot/bootfw.zip.gh, and the img was loaded.

I went part way down the road of trying to bundle q2f19 into 21021o0.img, 
but stopped because I hoped the approach you tried would work.

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Updating_the_XO#Firmware says the os image 
includes firmware. so I installed olpc-os-builder and had a look at 
olpc-os-12.1.0-xo1.ini, but I don’t see how to rebuild with the later 
firmware. 

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Re: [support-gang] Student using XO backwards

[James Cameron]

On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 11:15:37PM -0600, Anna wrote:
> As an aside, I've noticed that every kid seems to fold down the
> "ears."  I've never tested wireless range with ears up versus down,
> but it's my understanding that "ears up" increases the range.

I've tested.  Yes, ears up increases the range.  Not by a huge amount
though.

It isn't always necessary, and won't always help.  Increasing the
range can decrease performance because more noise or distant
transmissions are received.  The ideal situation is that each node in
a wireless network have a similar transmission power and receive
sensitivity.  While it may seem that increasing these two on a node
would bring benefits, it does not always work that way.

(Similar effect occurs with two-way radio repeater transmission
towers; when increasing the transmit power, one must take care to
increase the sensitivity, otherwise the coverage ring for transmit
won't be the same diameter as that for receive.  This leads to
frustration, as there exists a donut of partial coverage.)

I've seen most kids want the ears up.  Perhaps this is an artefact of
how the laptops are introduced; the initial opening lesson plan.

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Re: latest HaitiOS-0.6 very close

[Tim Moody]

but is the firmware an rpm?  I assumed it wasn't.

Tim
-Original Message- 
From: Jerry Vonau

Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 4:12 PM
To: Tim Moody
Cc: Sandra / Sora Edwards-Thro ; Curt Thompson ; Developers List ; George 
Hunt ; Adam Holt

Subject: Re: latest HaitiOS-0.6 very close

Hi Tim,

I'd first see if you can build an image with a stock configuration before 
you introduce any changes. I'd create a yum repo containing the rpm on the 
building box, next introduce that yum repo into olpc-os-builder with an 
entry in the [repos] section of the .ini file. ie:


custom_repo_1=1,xo1-fw,file:///


After your changes run OOB and check the output/packages.txt to see which 
version was installed.


Jerry


- Original Message -
From: "Tim Moody" 
To: "George Hunt" , "Adam Holt" 

Cc: "Sandra / Sora Edwards-Thro" , "Curt Thompson" 
, "Developers List" , 
jvo...@shaw.ca

Sent: Wednesday, 18 December, 2013 12:12:48 PM
Subject: Re: latest HaitiOS-0.6 very close




given the potential for error, I re-downloaded the q2f199, and without 
changing name, copied it up to our boot directory.


Then when I tar-ed it all up, downloaded, the tar, expanded, I discovered 
that the presence of the bootfw.zip in the boot directory prevented the 
4button load (finding the signed OS img using fs.zip or fs0.zip) from 
working.


The observation was that It didn't find the image after 4 button startup. 
Then moved /boot/bootfw.zip to /boot/bootfw.zip.gh, and the img was loaded.


I went part way down the road of trying to bundle q2f19 into 21021o0.img, 
but stopped because I hoped the approach you tried would work.


http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Updating_the_XO#Firmware says the os image 
includes firmware. so I installed olpc-os-builder and had a look at 
olpc-os-12.1.0-xo1.ini, but I don’t see how to rebuild with the later 
firmware. 


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Re: latest HaitiOS-0.6 very close

[Jerry Vonau]

Hi all:

- Original Message -
From: "George Hunt" 
To: "Adam Holt" 
Cc: "Developers List" , "Sandra / Sora Edwards-Thro" 
, "Tim Moody" , "Curt Thompson" 

Sent: Wednesday, 18 December, 2013 12:01:35 PM
Subject: Re: latest HaitiOS-0.6 very close








On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Adam Holt < h...@unleashkids.org > wrote: 



Updates on my 4 suggestions from midnight 10hrs ago--forgive me for 
capitalizing names, so we can all focus on getting the very best OS into Sora's 
hands for Haiti during this home stretch Before Midnight EST Tonight: 


1) SOLVED: GEORGE, please add WikipediaFR 36 which works great, just tested it 
this morning by launching it from the Journal view of an inserted USB stick! 
http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4540 


Tim said in a previous email that he had done this. I verified. Will wait to 
generate tar.gz until other issues are resolved. 







2a) GEORGE, In response to Tim's earlier mail, I myself don't yet see 
Same-Named http://dev.laptop.org/pub/firmware/q2f19/bootfw.zip within 
http://xsce.activitycentral.com/downloads/HaitiOS-0.6/boot/ . It's vital that 
it be Same-Named (no 0,1,2 or 4 suffx) in the USB stick /boot to allow manual 
upgrade of firmware, no matter what legacy firmware exists on each random XO-1, 
as described here: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Upgrading_firmware#Recipe 




given the potential for error, I re-downloaded the q2f199, and without changing 
name, copied it up to our boot directory. 


Then when I tar-ed it all up, downloaded, the tar, expanded, I discovered that 
the presence of the bootfw.zip in the boot directory prevented the 4button load 
(finding the signed OS img using fs.zip or fs0.zip) from working. 


The observation was that It didn't find the image after 4 button startup. Then 
moved /boot/bootfw.zip to /boot/ bootfw.zip.gh , and the img was loaded. 

That suggests that the firmware is not signed. Perhaps ask James if that file 
is truly signed. What if you use the firmware found in the latest 13.2.0-13 
image? Have a look at mktinycore[1], if your using the latest version from git 
the firmware is being retrieved from what is the official upgrade rsync repo. 
What if you copy TC's bootfw0.zip to bootfw.zip that should be the latest 
version retrieved if your using a current snapshot.

Jerry

1. http://dev.laptop.org/~quozl/mktinycorexo/mktinycorexo






2b) GEORGE/TIM. Additionally, forced upgrade to 
http://dev.laptop.org/pub/firmware/q2f19/bootfw.zip would be truly lovely if we 
can force the copy of this file to the XO-1's /versions/boot/current/boot/ by 
hook or by crook during the 1st/2nd bootup after reflashing, if for whatever 
reason Jerry's TC tricks do not permit this as he'd hoped. 


3) GEORGE/ SORA should tell us which Activities to relegate to List View in 
addition to Portfolio, Log, Terminal. By default let's have all Activities on 
the ring/spiral available for exploration, even if the ~50 activities gets a 
bit crowded, let's give it a shot. Thanks Sora for manually Starring most all 
activities on your XO-1 business hours today (during your Dulles-MIA flight?) 
so George has marching orders by Dinnertime Latest Please. 



I'm disappointed, but not surprised, that my first attempt to star all the 
activities using the /usr/share/sugar/data/activities.default apparently did 
not work. I'll check it out later today. 





4) TIM/GEORGE. Artistic kids adore TuxPaint we need, as soon as we find a 
working rpm better than 
http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=tuxpaint and then layer on 
http://people.sugarlabs.org/walter/TuxPaint-6.2.xo or perhaps more likely 
http://dev.laptop.org/~dsd/activities/TuxPaint-6.2.xo ? If George/Tim/Curt can 
any traction at all from Jerry's suggestions here (I have not!) it'd be 
beautiful: 

http://mock.laptop.org/cgit/koji.dist-f17-i686/tree/RPMS/t 
http://mock.laptop.org/cgit/koji.dist-f17-i686/tree/RPMS/t/tuxpaint-0.9.21-8.fc17.i686.rpm
 
http://mock.laptop.org/cgit/koji.dist-f17-i686/commit/RPMS/t/tuxpaint-0.9.21-8.fc17.i686.rpm
 





Also will play with this later today. I'm going to do a 2 hour bike ride during 
the warmth of the day. 





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Re: latest HaitiOS-0.6 very close

[Jerry Vonau]

Hi Tim, 

I'd first see if you can build an image with a stock configuration before you 
introduce any changes. I'd create a yum repo containing the rpm on the building 
box, next introduce that yum repo into olpc-os-builder with an entry in the 
[repos] section of the .ini file. ie:

custom_repo_1=1,xo1-fw,file:///


After your changes run OOB and check the output/packages.txt to see which 
version was installed.

Jerry


- Original Message -
From: "Tim Moody" 
To: "George Hunt" , "Adam Holt" 
Cc: "Sandra / Sora Edwards-Thro" , "Curt Thompson" 
, "Developers List" , 
jvo...@shaw.ca
Sent: Wednesday, 18 December, 2013 12:12:48 PM
Subject: Re: latest HaitiOS-0.6 very close




>given the potential for error, I re-downloaded the q2f199, and without 
>changing name, copied it up to our boot directory. 
> 
>Then when I tar-ed it all up, downloaded, the tar, expanded, I discovered that 
>the presence of the bootfw.zip in the boot directory prevented the 4button 
>load (finding the signed OS img using fs.zip or fs0.zip) from working. 
> 
>The observation was that It didn't find the image after 4 button startup. Then 
>moved /boot/bootfw.zip to /boot/bootfw.zip.gh, and the img was loaded. 

I went part way down the road of trying to bundle q2f19 into 21021o0.img, but 
stopped because I hoped the approach you tried would work. 

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Updating_the_XO#Firmware says the os image includes 
firmware. so I installed olpc-os-builder and had a look at 
olpc-os-12.1.0-xo1.ini, but I don’t see how to rebuild with the later firmware.
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Re: latest HaitiOS-0.6 very close

[Tim Moody]

>4 awaits time and energy

just back from my walk.  I have the rpm, but now I have to get the dependent 
rpms.  my strategy is to put it all in a /yumrepo and use the yum.cmd and 
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Re: latest HaitiOS-0.6 very close

[George Hunt]

Summary of where we stand (I think):

Adam's list:
1 and 3 done.
2. I added qf119.rom to boot. It can be renamed to bootfw.zip, and
flash romwith the "X" key.
cludgy! I admit. But maybe other issues take precedence
4 awaits time and energy


On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Tim Moody  wrote:

>   >given the potential for error, I re-downloaded the q2f199, and without
> changing name, copied it up to our boot directory.
> >
> >Then when I tar-ed it all up, downloaded, the tar, expanded, I discovered
> that the presence of the bootfw.zip in the boot directory prevented the
> 4button load (finding the signed OS img using fs.zip or fs0.zip) from
> working.
> >
> >The observation was that It didn't find the image after 4 button startup.
> Then moved /boot/bootfw.zip to /boot/bootfw.zip.gh, and the img was
> loaded.
>
> I went part way down the road of trying to bundle q2f19 into 21021o0.img,
> but stopped because I hoped the approach you tried would work.
>
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Updating_the_XO#Firmware says the os image
> includes firmware.  so I installed olpc-os-builder and had a look at
> olpc-os-12.1.0-xo1.ini, but I don’t see how to rebuild with the later
> firmware.
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Re: latest HaitiOS-0.6 very close

[Tim Moody]

>given the potential for error, I re-downloaded the q2f199, and without 
>changing name, copied it up to our boot directory.
>
>Then when I tar-ed it all up, downloaded, the tar, expanded, I discovered that 
>the presence of the bootfw.zip in the boot directory prevented the 4button 
>load (finding the signed OS img using fs.zip or fs0.zip) from working.
>
>The observation was that It didn't find the image after 4 button startup. Then 
>moved /boot/bootfw.zip to /boot/bootfw.zip.gh, and the img was loaded.

I went part way down the road of trying to bundle q2f19 into 21021o0.img, but 
stopped because I hoped the approach you tried would work.

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Updating_the_XO#Firmware says the os image includes 
firmware.  so I installed olpc-os-builder and had a look at 
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Re: latest HaitiOS-0.6 very close

[George Hunt]

On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Adam Holt  wrote:

> Updates on my 4 suggestions from midnight 10hrs ago--forgive me for
> capitalizing names, so we can all focus on getting the very best OS into
> Sora's hands for Haiti during this home stretch Before Midnight EST Tonight:
>
> 1) SOLVED: GEORGE, please add WikipediaFR 36 which works great, just
> tested it this morning by launching it from the Journal view of an inserted
> USB stick!  http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4540
>

Tim said in a previous email that he had done this. I verified. Will wait
to generate tar.gz until other issues are resolved.

>
>
> 2a) GEORGE, In response to Tim's earlier mail, I myself don't yet see
> Same-Named http://dev.laptop.org/pub/firmware/q2f19/bootfw.zip within
> http://xsce.activitycentral.com/downloads/HaitiOS-0.6/boot/ .  It's vital
> that it be Same-Named (no 0,1,2 or 4 suffx) in the USB stick /boot to allow
> manual upgrade of firmware, no matter what legacy firmware exists on each
> random XO-1, as described here:
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Upgrading_firmware#Recipe
>
>
given the potential for error, I re-downloaded the q2f199, and without
changing name, copied it up to our boot directory.

Then when I tar-ed it all up, downloaded, the tar, expanded, I discovered
that the presence of the bootfw.zip in the boot directory prevented the
4button load (finding the signed OS img using fs.zip or fs0.zip) from
working.

The observation was that It didn't find the image after 4 button startup.
Then moved /boot/bootfw.zip to /boot/bootfw.zip.gh, and the img was loaded.


> 2b) GEORGE/TIM. Additionally, forced upgrade to
> http://dev.laptop.org/pub/firmware/q2f19/bootfw.zip would be truly lovely
> if we can force the copy of this file to the XO-1's
> /versions/boot/current/boot/ by hook or by crook during the 1st/2nd bootup
> after reflashing, if for whatever reason Jerry's TC tricks do not permit
> this as he'd hoped.
>
> 3) GEORGE/*SORA* should tell us which Activities to relegate to List View
> in addition to Portfolio, Log, Terminal.  By default let's have all
> Activities on the ring/spiral available for exploration, even if the ~50
> activities gets a bit crowded, let's give it a shot.  Thanks Sora for
> manually Starring most all activities on your XO-1 business hours today
> (during your Dulles-MIA flight?) so George has marching orders by
> Dinnertime Latest Please.
>

I'm disappointed, but not surprised, that my first attempt to star all the
activities using the /usr/share/sugar/data/activities.default apparently
did not work.  I'll check it out later today.

>
> 4) TIM/GEORGE. Artistic kids adore TuxPaint we need, as soon as we find a
> working rpm better than
> http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=tuxpaint and then
> layer on http://people.sugarlabs.org/walter/TuxPaint-6.2.xo or perhaps
> more likely http://dev.laptop.org/~dsd/activities/TuxPaint-6.2.xo ?  If
> George/Tim/Curt can any traction at all from Jerry's suggestions here (I
> have not!) it'd be beautiful:
> http://mock.laptop.org/cgit/koji.dist-f17-i686/tree/RPMS/t
>
> http://mock.laptop.org/cgit/koji.dist-f17-i686/tree/RPMS/t/tuxpaint-0.9.21-8.fc17.i686.rpm
>
> http://mock.laptop.org/cgit/koji.dist-f17-i686/commit/RPMS/t/tuxpaint-0.9.21-8.fc17.i686.rpm
>
>
Also will play with this later today. I'm going to do a 2 hour bike ride
during the warmth of the day.

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Re: Rhel

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http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OS_BuilderHas the details   From: Peter RobinsonSent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 12:36To: Daniel NarvaezCc: Gonzalo Odiard; OLPC DevelopmentSubject: Re: RhelOn Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Daniel Narvaez  wrote:> oob = ? :)olpc-os-builder> On 18 December 2013 16:55, Gonzalo Odiard  wrote: oob works with F18, then I don't know why would have missing>> dependencies... Gonzalo>> On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 12:45 PM, Peter Robinson >> wrote:>> On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Kevin Gordon Gmail>>>  wrote:>>>  > I have a lead on someone to help in testing and building. However, he's>>> > an>>> > rhel dude.>>>  > Does anyone have experience in doing oob, and/or loading sugar on this>>> > o/s?>>> > If so, any hints, pitfalls, or should the usual yum installs be happy?>>>  > Supposedly the release of rhel he's using now is public beta of v7 and>>> > based>>> > on fc19, kernel 3.1, which might or might not be problematic.>> kernel is 3.10 and the process should mostly be the same as Fedora but>>> it's likely that it won't actually have all the needed dependencies.>>> If he's a "RHEL dude" he should be able to get his head around using>>> Fedora given RHEL-7 beta is derived from Fedora 19.>> Peter>>> ___>>> Devel mailing list>>> Devel@lists.laptop.org>>> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___>> Devel mailing list>> Devel@lists.laptop.org>> http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel>> --> Daniel Narvaez___Devel mailing listDevel@lists.laptop.orghttp://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
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On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Daniel Narvaez  wrote:
> oob = ? :)

olpc-os-builder


> On 18 December 2013 16:55, Gonzalo Odiard  wrote:
>>
>> oob works with F18, then I don't know why would have missing
>> dependencies...
>>
>> Gonzalo
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 12:45 PM, Peter Robinson 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Kevin Gordon Gmail
>>>  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I have a lead on someone to help in testing and building. However, he's
>>> > an
>>> > rhel dude.
>>> >
>>> > Does anyone have experience in doing oob, and/or loading sugar on this
>>> > o/s?
>>> > If so, any hints, pitfalls, or should the usual yum installs be happy?
>>> >
>>> > Supposedly the release of rhel he's using now is public beta of v7 and
>>> > based
>>> > on fc19, kernel 3.1, which might or might not be problematic.
>>>
>>> kernel is 3.10 and the process should mostly be the same as Fedora but
>>> it's likely that it won't actually have all the needed dependencies.
>>> If he's a "RHEL dude" he should be able to get his head around using
>>> Fedora given RHEL-7 beta is derived from Fedora 19.
>>>
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Re: Rhel

[Daniel Narvaez]

oob = ? :)


On 18 December 2013 16:55, Gonzalo Odiard  wrote:

> oob works with F18, then I don't know why would have missing
> dependencies...
>
> Gonzalo
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 12:45 PM, Peter Robinson wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Kevin Gordon Gmail
>>  wrote:
>> >
>> > I have a lead on someone to help in testing and building. However, he's
>> an
>> > rhel dude.
>> >
>> > Does anyone have experience in doing oob, and/or loading sugar on this
>> o/s?
>> > If so, any hints, pitfalls, or should the usual yum installs be happy?
>> >
>> > Supposedly the release of rhel he's using now is public beta of v7 and
>> based
>> > on fc19, kernel 3.1, which might or might not be problematic.
>>
>> kernel is 3.10 and the process should mostly be the same as Fedora but
>> it's likely that it won't actually have all the needed dependencies.
>> If he's a "RHEL dude" he should be able to get his head around using
>> Fedora given RHEL-7 beta is derived from Fedora 19.
>>
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Re: Rhel

[Peter Robinson]

On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Gonzalo Odiard  wrote:
> oob works with F18, then I don't know why would have missing dependencies...

Because RHEL doesn't ship with all the packages that Fedora does. We
might be OK, I've not checked.

Peter

> On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 12:45 PM, Peter Robinson 
> wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Kevin Gordon Gmail
>>  wrote:
>> >
>> > I have a lead on someone to help in testing and building. However, he's
>> > an
>> > rhel dude.
>> >
>> > Does anyone have experience in doing oob, and/or loading sugar on this
>> > o/s?
>> > If so, any hints, pitfalls, or should the usual yum installs be happy?
>> >
>> > Supposedly the release of rhel he's using now is public beta of v7 and
>> > based
>> > on fc19, kernel 3.1, which might or might not be problematic.
>>
>> kernel is 3.10 and the process should mostly be the same as Fedora but
>> it's likely that it won't actually have all the needed dependencies.
>> If he's a "RHEL dude" he should be able to get his head around using
>> Fedora given RHEL-7 beta is derived from Fedora 19.
>>
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Re: Rhel

[Gonzalo Odiard]

oob works with F18, then I don't know why would have missing dependencies...

Gonzalo


On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 12:45 PM, Peter Robinson wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Kevin Gordon Gmail
>  wrote:
> >
> > I have a lead on someone to help in testing and building. However, he's
> an
> > rhel dude.
> >
> > Does anyone have experience in doing oob, and/or loading sugar on this
> o/s?
> > If so, any hints, pitfalls, or should the usual yum installs be happy?
> >
> > Supposedly the release of rhel he's using now is public beta of v7 and
> based
> > on fc19, kernel 3.1, which might or might not be problematic.
>
> kernel is 3.10 and the process should mostly be the same as Fedora but
> it's likely that it won't actually have all the needed dependencies.
> If he's a "RHEL dude" he should be able to get his head around using
> Fedora given RHEL-7 beta is derived from Fedora 19.
>
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Re: Rhel

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On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Kevin Gordon Gmail
 wrote:
>
> I have a lead on someone to help in testing and building. However, he's an
> rhel dude.
>
> Does anyone have experience in doing oob, and/or loading sugar on this o/s?
> If so, any hints, pitfalls, or should the usual yum installs be happy?
>
> Supposedly the release of rhel he's using now is public beta of v7 and based
> on fc19, kernel 3.1, which might or might not be problematic.

kernel is 3.10 and the process should mostly be the same as Fedora but
it's likely that it won't actually have all the needed dependencies.
If he's a "RHEL dude" he should be able to get his head around using
Fedora given RHEL-7 beta is derived from Fedora 19.

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 I have a lead on someone to help in testing and building. However, he's an rhel dude.Does anyone have experience in doing oob, and/or loading sugar on this o/s? If so, any hints, pitfalls, or should the usual yum installs be happy?Supposedly the release of rhel he's using now is public beta of v7 and based on fc19, kernel 3.1, which might or might not be problematic.Thanks. KG 
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Re: [support-gang] Student using XO backwards

[Paul Fox]

[ cc'ing devel ]

nathan c. riddle wrote:
 > Did anyone else pick up on the student use of XO in picture of O.K. 
 > School in Manitoba on planet.laptop.org for Dec. 17  ?   Using touchpad 
 > behind display.
 > 
 > Is this just for posing picture or do students use it this way?
 > 
 > Tried it and easily adapted  to reversed motions needed to move pointer 
 > -- feels like I am using a touch tablet.
 > 
 > 
 > Wonder if pointer response could be reversed for those who were not 
 > comfortable with tablet feel.

yes -- the commandline command "olpc-rotate -e" will do it -- it
causes both touchpad axes to be reflected.  use "olpc-rotate -n"
to revert to 'n'ormal.  (the 'e' stands for ebook).

i thought this facility would be useful when using the laptop
in ebook mode, because in that mode the only way to get at the
touchpad is by cracking the laptop open slightly, which results in
that same "backwards" operation.  but i found that in practice it was
pretty easy to get used to the reversal, and doing the axis reflection
automatically is impossible.  (the problem is that the laptop only
knows it's in ebook mode when fully closed.  as soon as you crack it
open to reach the touchpad, it's back in "normal" mode, even though
it's only been opened by less than an inch to access the touchpad.)

paul
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