Re: New F11-for-XO1 build is available and needs testing
What would be the simplest way to run os3 from USB flash drive? Ubuntu usb-creator does not recognize os3.iso as desktop install CD. Thanks, Sergey ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Production] Amharic input
The XKB layout itself is not enough. But XKB + XIM is enough, as far as I can tell. So the choice is actually between XKB/us + GtkIM and XKB/am + XIM. The latter seems more universal - it is not bound to particular toolkit. Sergey Excuse my ignorance; I'm not familiar with Amharic requirements. I think the question comes down to whether the Amharic keyboard layout is enough or whether an input method is needed. If keyboard layout is enough, then just removing the input method from GTK+ seems to do it. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Keyboard switching
We don't have to preconfigure everything in the xorg.conf manner. All we need is a right button menu, like that for SCIM, allowing users to choose a keyboard layout, and possibly an editor for that menu. The menu selection can then invoke a call to setxkbmap. Yes, this way you'd get any layout you want, any number of them. But usability-wise right button menu is a horrible thing. For people using 2-4 layouts, much more usable solution is switching using keyboard (some shortcut). And that's the first thing which should be taken care of IMHO - from both configuration and UI POV. Sergey ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Keyboard switching
Edward, will need to allow for countries that use three or more scripts routinely, for students of history, religion, and other subjects involving historical source documents, and especially for students of languages. FYI, X does not allow to have more than 4 groups in one configuration. If you need more - you have to reconfigure XKB. In 99% it is not an issue - but I know there are multilingual people who are unhappy about it. They have to use some workarounds. Mongolia would like traditional Mongol alphabet, Cyrillic, and Latin, and possibly Chinese. Certainly if we include Inner Mongolia. Plus Buddhist languages, including Sanskrit and Tibetan. Do they need all these scripts in one configuration? China has more than 50 legally-recognized minorities, several with their own writing systems (Tibetan, Mongolian, Uighur, Yi). Do you know many people who would use all these writing system at once? In general, I'd tend to agree to your point that changing keyboard configuration should be more accessible than it is now. At the very least, it should be properly documented and explained. Probably, simple GUI configuration should be available for that task (by simple I mean it should not necessarily expose all powers of XKB configuration machinery). Bernardo, I think you concern about making the device screwed by choosing fancy layout is a bit of exageration - there is always touchpad which could be used to find the restore default button. Cheers, Sergey ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: DejaVu fonts (Was: Ethiopean)
FWIW, yesterday I setup LANG=am_ET.UTF-8 in /etc/sysconfig/i18n and rebooted. Sugar was not even able to start (I am using the latest stable image). Pure X server starts ok. There were errors during the boot process as well (some services reported FAILED startup). If anyone is interested, I could provide more details. So I had to fallback to en_US.UTF-8. It seems it will take some preparation to get to the stage when we could actually perform real (not fake) test of the Ethiopian keyboard input in Ethiopian locale. Sergey On 8/23/07, Bernardo Innocenti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sergey Udaltsov wrote: When you replace simplified fonts with the full version: are you able to input Ethiopean with the code provided? I assumed it would, but now I installed the dejavu-fonts RPM and the Ethiopean glyphs still don't display neither in the Write activity, nor in the Web activity. On my F7 box, there must be some fontconfig magic that makes them work. But I couldn't figure out how. -- // Bernardo Innocenti \X/ http://www.codewiz.org/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: DejaVu fonts (Was: Ethiopean)
Bernardo, Would you try the Ethiopian XIM in en_US locale (replacing Compose file)? Sergey On 8/24/07, Bernardo Innocenti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sergey Udaltsov wrote: FWIW, yesterday I setup LANG=am_ET.UTF-8 in /etc/sysconfig/i18n and rebooted. Sugar was not even able to start (I am using the latest stable image). Pure X server starts ok. There were errors during the boot process as well (some services reported FAILED startup). If anyone is interested, I could provide more details. The same happened to me too. Seems like a severe bug in glibc's locale description. For example, the sort comand would output lines sorted by length instead of alphabetically! I'll try again with fedora devel's RPM. If it doesn't work, then I guess we should file a bug upstream. -- // Bernardo Innocenti \X/ http://www.codewiz.org/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Fwd: Status of Ethiopian support]
My uninformed guess would be that 2 would be best. But I'm forwarding your question to Lidet for a reliable opinion. It that case, my Compose file would have to be swapped (the left part of the rules). No problem, once we make that decision. My guess is that the GTK IM has additional usability refinements. That's ok. The main thing is that it should not have _different_ rules. I thought IM's would work with raw keycodes (positional), not keysyms translated through the current keyboard layout. Apparently you are kind of wrong;) general. I'm merely trying to coordinate the integration without a specific technical background. You are doing fine. We all learn things as we go:) No need to apologize. Cheers Sergey ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: DejaVu fonts (Was: Ethiopean)
I'm afraid I'm totally ignorant of the subject. How is the Xlib compose handling supposed to work in applications? Would it also work in Write.activity? First, you should replace Compose file (in /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8). In addition, setting GTK_IM_MODULE=xim should explain gtk+ apps they have to use XIM. That's about it IIRC. By the way, the am_ET.UTF-8 locale appears to work with glibc 2.90 from Fedora Development. We'll need to backport a fix or upgrade glibc if we want Ethiopian support in the OLPC. Sure! We cannot progress if we do not have that locale properly working. Sergey ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: DejaVu fonts (Was: Ethiopean)
Bernardo, When you replace simplified fonts with the full version: are you able to input Ethiopean with the code provided? Sergey On 8/22/07, Bernardo Innocenti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (I'm moving to devel@ so we don't need to Cc too many people) Bernardo Innocenti wrote: Sergey Udaltsov wrote: I cannot tell you which font was used by my Ubuntu - I just see those glyphs rendered more of less correctly (see attached). If you're interested, I can provide you with the list of fonts I have installed. I see them just fine in Firefox on my F7 development machine, but not on the laptop. Weird... It turns out that the DejaVu font has the Ethiopian glyphs, but there's also a simplified font called DejaVuLGC which is what we're shipping on the OLPC. I just talked with Walter and J5 and we agreed that it makes no sense to ship a huge font with all glyphs when we're already going to have a custom images for each country where we can easily add language specific fonts. But now I looked at DejaVu to see how bigger it is and it seems to me that it's not worth it after all: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 448K 2007-08-11 07:42 DejaVuLGCSans.ttf -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 557K 2007-08-11 07:42 DejaVuSans.ttf The RPMs for the complete DejaVu font are even *smaller*: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2.0M 2007-08-11 07:43 dejavu-fonts-2.19-1.fc8.noarch.rpm -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.3M 2007-08-11 07:42 dejavu-lgc-fonts-2.19-1.noarch.rpm (but that's because DejaVuLGC also comes with Condensed variants). So, is there another reason why we couldn't just switch to it? Currently, we're shipping arabic and thai fonts in all builds. If the DejaVu support for these languages is good enough, we could save even more space. -- // Bernardo Innocenti \X/ http://www.codewiz.org/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Ethiopian installation instructions
Bernardo I do not see the part regarding the input methods up there. I think there should be 2 parts: one for GTK IM (probably void, since it is enabled by default with the locale), another for XIM - modifying xorg.conf (or using setxkbmap) and setting GTK_IM_MODULE/QT_IM_MODULE. What do you think on this? Cheers, Sergey On 9/13/07, Bernardo Innocenti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mako suggested me to document a procedure for installing Ethiopic support on laptops: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Ethiopian_Setup You may find the installation steps a bit convoluted, but, what the hell, if it was that easy we'd have it in the builds already :-) Of course, feel free to enhance the page. Any feedback welcome. -- // Bernardo Innocenti - http://www.codewiz.org/ \X/ One Laptop Per Child - http://www.laptop.org/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [PATCH] xkeyboard-config: Swap combining accents in OLPC us map
Ok. From now on, I'll use attachments with disposition=inline. Great, thanks! I took this habit of including them in the mail because some other projects require it. The rationale is that it makes it easier to quote snippets in reviews. If I want to quote, I'll take trouble copypasting:) I think we're pretty much 100% synchronized now! OK, than creating a bug would be an overkill. Let's just deal with nice small attached patches. Thanks for understanding, Sergey ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [PATCH] xkeyboard-config: Swap combining accents in OLPC us map
Bernardo,
Thanks, committed. Next time - could you please attach your patch
instead of putting it straight into the message body? Or we could open
a bug - and keep it open (forever) till all olpc materials are in.
Thanks,
Sergey
On 10/9/07, Bernardo Innocenti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sorry for this heavy traffic :-)
diff -u -p -u -p -r1.36 us
--- symbols/us 4 Oct 2007 21:06:29 - 1.36
+++ symbols/us 8 Oct 2007 23:33:10 -
@@ -783,8 +783,8 @@ xkb_symbols olpc {
key TLDE { [ grave, asciitilde,dead_grave, dead_tilde ] };
key AE01 { [ 1, exclam,exclamdown, exclamdown ] };
key AE02 { [ 2, at, notsign,notsign ] };
- key AE03 { [ 3, numbersign, 0x1000301, 0x1000301 ] }; //
combining acute
- key AE04 { [ 4, dollar, 0x1000300, 0x1000300 ] }; //
combining grave
+ key AE03 { [ 3, numbersign, 0x1000300, 0x1000300 ] }; //
combining grave
+ key AE04 { [ 4, dollar, 0x1000301, 0x1000301 ] }; //
combining acute
key AE05 { [ 5,percent, 0x1000306, 0x1000306 ] }; //
combining breve above
key AE06 { [ 6,asciicircum, 0x100030A, 0x100030A ] }; //
combining ring above
key AE07 { [ 7, ampersand, 0x1000302, 0x1000302 ] }; //
combining circumflex above
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Re: [PATCH] xkeyboard-config: OLPC: add br and es bits
Bernardo,
The code is in CVS since Sep 26, could you please double-check?
http://webcvs.freedesktop.org/xkeyboard-config/xkeyboard-config/symbols/br?r1=1.12r2=1.13
Cheers,
Sergey
On 10/6/07, Bernardo Innocenti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I resynced with you and noticed that the br and es bits, that were in my
former mega-dropbomb-patch, are still missing in CVS.
Here they are again.
Index: symbols/br
===
RCS file: /cvs/xlibs/xkbdesc/xkeyboard-config/symbols/br,v
retrieving revision 1.12
diff -u -p -u -p -r1.12 br
--- symbols/br 10 Aug 2007 09:06:27 - 1.12
+++ symbols/br 16 Sep 2007 03:36:44 -
@@ -64,6 +64,39 @@ xkb_symbols nodeadkeys {
key AB10 { [ semicolon, colon, dead_belowdot,abovedot ] };
};
+partial alphanumeric_keys
+xkb_symbols olpc {
+
+include us(basic)
+name[Group1]=Brazil;
+
+key TLDE { [ apostrophe, quotedbl
] };
+
+key AE01 { [ 1, exclam, onesuperior
] };
+key AE02 { [ 2, at, twosuperior
] };
+key AE03 { [ 3, numbersign, threesuperior
] };
+key AE04 { [ 4, dollar, sterling
] };
+key AE05 { [ 5, percent, cent
] };
+key AE06 { [ 6, dead_diaeresis, notsign
] };
+key AE12 { [ equal, plus, section
] };
+
+key AD03 { [e, E, EuroSign
] };
+key AD11 { [ dead_acute, dead_grave
] };
+key AD12 { [ bracketleft, braceleft, 0x1AA
] };
+
+key AC10 { [ ccedilla, Ccedilla
] };
+key AC11 { [ dead_tilde, dead_circumflex
] };
+key BKSL { [ bracketright, braceright, 0x1BA
] };
+
+key AB01 { [z, Z, bar
] };
+key AB03 { [c, C, 0x10020A2
] };
+key AB09 { [ period,greater, backslash
] };
+key AB10 { [semicolon, colon
] };
+
+key I219 { [slash, question,degree,
ISO_Next_Group ] };
+include level3(ralt_switch)
+};
+
// ABNT2 Keyboard to IBM/Lenovo Thinkpads
// by Piter PUNK [EMAIL PROTECTED]
//
Index: symbols/es
===
RCS file: /cvs/xlibs/xkbdesc/xkeyboard-config/symbols/es,v
retrieving revision 1.13
diff -u -p -u -p -r1.13 es
--- symbols/es 26 Jan 2007 23:02:18 - 1.13
+++ symbols/es 16 Sep 2007 03:36:44 -
@@ -146,5 +146,38 @@ xkb_symbols mac {
include es
name[Group1]= Spain - Macintosh;
+};
+
+partial alphanumeric_keys
+xkb_symbols olpc {
+
+include us(basic)
+name[Group1]=Spain;
+
+key TLDE { [ bar, degree ] };
+key AE02 { [2, quotedbl, at ] };
+key AE03 { [3, dead_grave, numbersign ] };
+key AE05 { [5, percent, dead_circumflex ] };
+key AE06 { [6, ampersand, notsign ] };
+key AE07 { [7, slash, backslash ] };
+key AE08 { [8, parenleft ] };
+key AE09 { [9, parenright ] };
+key AE10 { [0, equal ] };
+key AE11 { [ apostrophe, question ] };
+key AE12 { [ exclamdown, questiondown ] };
+
+key AD03 { [e, E,EuroSign ] };
+key AD11 { [ dead_acute, dead_diaeresis ] };
+key AD12 { [ bracketleft, braceleft ] };
+
+key AC10 { [ ntilde,Ntilde ] };
+key AC11 { [ plus, asterisk, dead_tilde ] };
+key BKSL { [ bracketright, braceright ] };
+
+key AB08 { [comma, semicolon ] };
+key AB09 { [ period, colon ] };
+key AB10 { [minus, underscore ] };
+key I219 { [ less,greater, ISO_Next_Group ] };
+include level3(ralt_switch)
};
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Re: Ethiopian installation instructions
Do you mean group switch? I have no idea what is the standard key for it on XO. Sergey On 9/13/07, Bernardo Innocenti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 09/13/2007 06:34 PM, Sergey Udaltsov wrote: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Ethiopian_Setup Looks ok. Would it make sense to have layout 'us,et' instead of just 'et'? It is an important matter - whether Ethiopian kids should be able to input latin/English texts. Oh, yes... the mode switch key is mapped to the divide/multiply one, right? -- // Bernardo Innocenti - http://www.codewiz.org/ \X/ One Laptop Per Child - http://www.laptop.org/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Ethiopian installation instructions
Yes, it's the rightmost key below enter. I updated the documentation. Do you need to use some xkb option for the switching key to work? Are you 100% it works by default, without XkbOption in xorg.conf (or -option parameter for setxkbmap)? I took freedom to fix a couple of words in the wiki, if you don't mind. Cheers, Sergey ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Ethiopian installation instructions
Oh... yes... for the us layout, I think you need to say us(olpc2) because otherwise you get the plain multiply/divide mapping by default (switching is still available through alt, I think). I think we were going to have a rule: if layout is 'us' and model 'olpc', it should use symbols 'us(olpc)'. Am I wrong? Sergey ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
