Re: TamTam Mini Quirks In Build 56
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 10:15:02PM -0800, Caryl Bigenho wrote: OK. Tried it again with build 59. This time it was different. Oh, that's unfortunate. It makes me worry about your hardware now. ;-) I played with it for about 40 mins with no problems until the sound quit! I tried it in TamTam Jam... no sound. I tried it in Speak... no sound. Rebooted... sound was fine! Okay, next time no sound happens, try Ctrl-Alt-Erase to restart Sugar ... before you try the reboot. Also check the volume control. And make sure nothing is plugged in to the green headphone socket. ;-) That's just me covering all the bases. I've not seen a no sound problem with os59 or later. I did a test yesterday with four laptops playing sound from Tam Tam Mini for about 120 minutes, and it didn't go wrong. The sound stopped each time the laptops suspended from being idle, but restarted once I woke them up. This is probably an interesting problem that isn't a problem. How many people are going to play with Tam Tam Mini for 40 minutes? Probably not many. And if they do manage to crash the sound, they can just reboot. If we can reproduce lose the sound after playing for 40 minutes, then we should fix it. I have seen kids who will sit for three hours playing with Tam Tam Mini, if allowed the time. Whether the kid is allowed the time is usually not in our control. A low occurrence frequency of the problem will change how we investigate it; what resources we will deploy for that investigation, but I still think if the problem happens we need to investigate it. Or at least understand it. So, I'll download build 60 now and see what other things I can get to crash! Great, thanks for your testing! -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
TamTam Mini Quirks In Build 56
Hi... I have been playing with Tam Tam Mini in build 56. After playing for a while it will not allow the machine to go home! You can access the Journal and go to the Activities previously opened (including Tam Tam Mini) but there is no way to get back to the home screen. You have to do a force quit with the power button. I have checked to see if this was a special occurrence but I got it to happen 3 times total and have no doubt that it will happen again. Each time, I selected a drum set and instrument. Then I just kept playing with the notes and loops for several minutes. After just a minute or 2, I could still access the home page, but after I kept playing for maybe 5 minutes or so... it would no longer go to home. I tried this on an XO-1 just to see if it was an old bug. A few funny things happened there, but I was always able to get back to the home screen on the XO-1 but not on the XO-1.5. BTW, I didn't realize that Tam Tam Mini had melodic loops available on the keys that aren't assigned to specific notes. Really cool! Lots of fun! Caryl P.S. The build 59 download just finished. I'll install it now. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: TamTam Mini Quirks In Build 56
G'day Caryl, That problem sounded interesting, so I tested it myself. I couldn't get it to happen. I was using os60, and I don't think anything relevant was changed between os56 and os60. I wondered if I was trying to do the same thing you were. Could you tell me what action you do to go home? Do you mean pressing the Home View or F3 (single green dot in solid green circle) key above the 4 key? Or Alt/Tab? Or Ctrl/Q? Was an external keyboard attached to the laptop? Were you holding down any of the modifier keys ... the ctrl, shift, fn, alt, alt gr, or shift keys? The Home View key surprisingly doesn't work if any of those are active. If you can get it to happen again, could you tell me if any of the following fixes the symptom without having to restart: 1. Alt/Tab (which should switch to the Journal or any other running activity), 2. Ctrl/Q (which should quit the Tam Tam Mini activity), 3. clicking on the Stop icon at the top right, 4. Ctrl/Alt/Erase (which should restart Sugar only without restarting the operating system), 5. pressing each of the modifier keys once and then releasing them before you try the Home View key. (this would imply a key state is incorrectly latching, something we've seen before after a resume from idle suspend, but we thought we fixed it). -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
RE: TamTam Mini Quirks In Build 56
Hi James, I'll fill in my responses in your message. Boy! These builds come along fast. I haven't had time to test 59 yet and 60 is here already! Is there supposed to be a firmware update along with 60? It was mentioned in the email Adam forwarded, but there was no link. Caryl Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:55:43 +1100 From: qu...@laptop.org To: cbige...@hotmail.com CC: devel@lists.laptop.org; support-g...@laptop.org Subject: Re: TamTam Mini Quirks In Build 56 G'day Caryl, That problem sounded interesting, so I tested it myself. I couldn't get it to happen. I was using os60, and I don't think anything relevant was changed between os56 and os60. I wondered if I was trying to do the same thing you were. I'll try it again. Right now I have 59 installed so I'll use it. I will also time it to see how long it takes to happen. It may be longer than I thought. Could you tell me what action you do to go home? Do you mean pressing the Home View or F3 (single green dot in solid green circle) key above the 4 key? Or Alt/Tab? Or Ctrl/Q? First I clicked on the stop sign icon. That took me to the Journal. I tried the F3 key to go home. It didn't work. From the Journal I was able to get back to TamTam and to the other Activities in the Journal, but when they were closed I ended up back in the Journal. I was locked in! Was an external keyboard attached to the laptop? No, just the laptop. I hope someday a small piano-type will be able to interface with the XO. Were you holding down any of the modifier keys ... the ctrl, shift, fn, alt, alt gr, or shift keys? The Home View key surprisingly doesn't work if any of those are active. No, just the Home View key If you can get it to happen again, could you tell me if any of the following fixes the symptom without having to restart: I'll check it out and let you know one way or another what happens. 1. Alt/Tab (which should switch to the Journal or any other running activity), 2. Ctrl/Q (which should quit the Tam Tam Mini activity), 3. clicking on the Stop icon at the top right, 4. Ctrl/Alt/Erase (which should restart Sugar only without restarting the operating system), 5. pressing each of the modifier keys once and then releasing them before you try the Home View key. (this would imply a key state is incorrectly latching, something we've seen before after a resume from idle suspend, but we thought we fixed it). -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: TamTam Mini Quirks In Build 56
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 08:35:24PM -0800, Caryl Bigenho wrote: Is there supposed to be a firmware update along with 60? It was mentioned in the email Adam forwarded, but there was no link. Yes, it is included in the build now, and when you next reboot with battery and external power it will be applied. First I clicked on the stop sign icon. That took me to the Journal. I tried the F3 key to go home. It didn't work. From the Journal I was able to get back to TamTam and to the other Activities in the Journal, but when they were closed I ended up back in the Journal. I was locked in! Okay, thanks, that's a better description of the symptom. Interesting. Seems to be related only to Sugar, based on the available information. I'll check it out and let you know one way or another what happens. Thanks! -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
RE: TamTam Mini Quirks In Build 56
OK. Tried it again with build 59. This time it was different. I played with it for about 40 mins with no problems until the sound quit! I tried it in TamTam Jam... no sound. I tried it in Speak... no sound. Rebooted... sound was fine! This is probably an interesting problem that isn't a problem. How many people are going to play with Tam Tam Mini for 40 minutes? Probably not many. And if they do manage to crash the sound, they can just reboot. So, I'll download build 60 now and see what other things I can get to crash! Caryl Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:47:43 +1100 From: qu...@laptop.org To: cbige...@hotmail.com CC: devel@lists.laptop.org; support-g...@laptop.org Subject: Re: TamTam Mini Quirks In Build 56 On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 08:35:24PM -0800, Caryl Bigenho wrote: Is there supposed to be a firmware update along with 60? It was mentioned in the email Adam forwarded, but there was no link. Yes, it is included in the build now, and when you next reboot with battery and external power it will be applied. First I clicked on the stop sign icon. That took me to the Journal. I tried the F3 key to go home. It didn't work. From the Journal I was able to get back to TamTam and to the other Activities in the Journal, but when they were closed I ended up back in the Journal. I was locked in! Okay, thanks, that's a better description of the symptom. Interesting. Seems to be related only to Sugar, based on the available information. I'll check it out and let you know one way or another what happens. Thanks! -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
