Re: [sabayon-dev] [RFC] Ending 32bit support?
As always I am very much pro this. On 1 May 2013 07:30, Fabio Erculiani lx...@sabayon.org wrote: So, x86_64 is more than 10 years old now, and it's time to think again about the i686 architecture. I am proposing to gradually drop support for x86 32bit by the end of 2013 (the how would deserve a separate discussion). Is there any serious reason not to kill 32bit? Maintaining it takes 50% of our resources (time and space) and we could just dedicate some of them to the other emerging architecture called ARM. This is just an RFC for now, don't get scared. Cheers, -- Fabio Erculiani
Re: [sabayon-dev] [RFC] Ending 32bit support?
I for killing it off too On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:42 AM, Ian Whyman v00...@v00d00.net wrote: As always I am very much pro this. On 1 May 2013 07:30, Fabio Erculiani lx...@sabayon.org wrote: So, x86_64 is more than 10 years old now, and it's time to think again about the i686 architecture. I am proposing to gradually drop support for x86 32bit by the end of 2013 (the how would deserve a separate discussion). Is there any serious reason not to kill 32bit? Maintaining it takes 50% of our resources (time and space) and we could just dedicate some of them to the other emerging architecture called ARM. This is just an RFC for now, don't get scared. Cheers, -- Fabio Erculiani -- KJS ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] [RFC] Ending 32bit support?
Despite of i'm not developing Sabayon, i can't see any reason for maintaining i386. How looks typical i386 user :-D ? Wolfden wolf...@gmail.comnapsal/a: I for killing it off too On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:42 AM, Ian Whyman v00...@v00d00.net wrote: As always I am very much pro this. On 1 May 2013 07:30, Fabio Erculiani lx...@sabayon.org wrote: So, x86_64 is more than 10 years old now, and it's time to think again about the i686 architecture. I am proposing to gradually drop support for x86 32bit by the end of 2013 (the how would deserve a separate discussion). Is there any serious reason not to kill 32bit? Maintaining it takes 50% of our resources (time and space) and we could just dedicate some of them to the other emerging architecture called ARM. This is just an RFC for now, don't get scared. Cheers, -- Fabio Erculiani -- KJS ~wolfden~
Re: [sabayon-dev] [RFC] Ending 32bit support?
Still using it on several systems: three servers and a Minimac (I'm using it for building a smart pervasive screen). Don't forget that many systems still exist with decent performance and no amd64 support, Pentium 4 for instance. Moreover, I can see many users still download the x86 version (I'm seeding the torrents). It's not dead at all. I would wait a few years. In my opinion x86 is still worth the resources we are dedicating to it. 2013/5/1 Vojtěch Pszczólka v.pszczo...@sh.cvut.cz: Despite of i'm not developing Sabayon, i can't see any reason for maintaining i386. How looks typical i386 user :-D ? Wolfden wolf...@gmail.comnapsal/a: I for killing it off too On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:42 AM, Ian Whyman v00...@v00d00.net wrote: As always I am very much pro this. On 1 May 2013 07:30, Fabio Erculiani lx...@sabayon.org wrote: So, x86_64 is more than 10 years old now, and it's time to think again about the i686 architecture. I am proposing to gradually drop support for x86 32bit by the end of 2013 (the how would deserve a separate discussion). Is there any serious reason not to kill 32bit? Maintaining it takes 50% of our resources (time and space) and we could just dedicate some of them to the other emerging architecture called ARM. This is just an RFC for now, don't get scared. Cheers, -- Fabio Erculiani -- KJS ~wolfden~ -- Ing. Dott. Danilo Pianini Site: http://www.danilopianini.org/ Phone: +39 320 41 36 573 Skype: dany.sk
Re: [sabayon-dev] [RFC] Ending 32bit support?
No we are talking about removing the x86 entropy tree. On 1 May 2013 11:15, Vojtěch Pszczólka v.pszczo...@sh.cvut.cz wrote: We are talking about i686 vs i386, not about AMD64. i686 has almost every x86 processor since 1996 I think. Thats why I am asking... For example, ArchLinux is using i686 without andy problems. Dne 1.5.2013 11:44, Danilo Pianini napsal(a): Still using it on several systems: three servers and a Minimac (I'm using it for building a smart pervasive screen). Don't forget that many systems still exist with decent performance and no amd64 support, Pentium 4 for instance. Moreover, I can see many users still download the x86 version (I'm seeding the torrents). It's not dead at all. I would wait a few years. In my opinion x86 is still worth the resources we are dedicating to it. 2013/5/1 Vojtěch Pszczólka v.pszczo...@sh.cvut.cz: Despite of i'm not developing Sabayon, i can't see any reason for maintaining i386. How looks typical i386 user :-D ? Wolfden wolf...@gmail.comnapsal/a: I for killing it off too On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:42 AM, Ian Whyman v00...@v00d00.net wrote: As always I am very much pro this. On 1 May 2013 07:30, Fabio Erculiani lx...@sabayon.org wrote: So, x86_64 is more than 10 years old now, and it's time to think again about the i686 architecture. I am proposing to gradually drop support for x86 32bit by the end of 2013 (the how would deserve a separate discussion). Is there any serious reason not to kill 32bit? Maintaining it takes 50% of our resources (time and space) and we could just dedicate some of them to the other emerging architecture called ARM. This is just an RFC for now, don't get scared. Cheers, -- Fabio Erculiani -- KJS ~wolfden~ -- Ing. Dott. Danilo Pianini Site: http://www.danilopianini.org/ Phone: +39 320 41 36 573 Skype: dany.sk -- Ian Whyman v00d00.net
Re: [sabayon-dev] [RFC] Ending 32bit support?
I will still maintain it on my repositories no matter the costs, I still have some friends which maintain old servers and old desktops. On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Danilo Pianini danilo.pian...@gmail.comwrote: Still using it on several systems: three servers and a Minimac (I'm using it for building a smart pervasive screen). Don't forget that many systems still exist with decent performance and no amd64 support, Pentium 4 for instance. Moreover, I can see many users still download the x86 version (I'm seeding the torrents). It's not dead at all. I would wait a few years. In my opinion x86 is still worth the resources we are dedicating to it. 2013/5/1 Vojtěch Pszczólka v.pszczo...@sh.cvut.cz: Despite of i'm not developing Sabayon, i can't see any reason for maintaining i386. How looks typical i386 user :-D ? Wolfden wolf...@gmail.comnapsal/a: I for killing it off too On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:42 AM, Ian Whyman v00...@v00d00.net wrote: As always I am very much pro this. On 1 May 2013 07:30, Fabio Erculiani lx...@sabayon.org wrote: So, x86_64 is more than 10 years old now, and it's time to think again about the i686 architecture. I am proposing to gradually drop support for x86 32bit by the end of 2013 (the how would deserve a separate discussion). Is there any serious reason not to kill 32bit? Maintaining it takes 50% of our resources (time and space) and we could just dedicate some of them to the other emerging architecture called ARM. This is just an RFC for now, don't get scared. Cheers, -- Fabio Erculiani -- KJS ~wolfden~ -- Ing. Dott. Danilo Pianini Site: http://www.danilopianini.org/ Phone: +39 320 41 36 573 Skype: dany.sk -- Lead-Developer at Project Rogentos (Romanian Gentoo Operating System) GNU/Linux. Based on Sabayon and Gentoo Linux, Rogentos tends to offer support mainly for all Romanian Linux users and entrepreneurs which seek to learn an open and free system based on true values :) http://rogentos.ro www.facebook.com/RogentosLinux https://plus.google.com/106559511636021124919/ Google+
Re: [sabayon-dev] [RFC] Ending 32bit support?
So, x86_64 is more than 10 years old now, and it's time to think again about the i686 architecture. I am proposing to gradually drop support for x86 32bit by the end of 2013 (the how would deserve a separate discussion). Is there any serious reason not to kill 32bit? Maintaining it takes 50% of our resources (time and space) and we could just dedicate some of them to the other emerging architecture called ARM. This is just an RFC for now, don't get scared. Cheers, -- Fabio Erculiani Whatever is decided, let me note that it would need to be IMO pretty loudly announced at least half an year before, so people have time to migrate.
Re: [sabayon-dev] [RFC] Ending 32bit support?
It looks like there are still a lot of people using i686. So, I'd rather postpone the decision for one more year, sigh. -- Fabio Erculiani
Re: [sabayon-dev] [RFC] Ending 32bit support?
Yepp, I still need 32Bit. So dropping this support would make me either upgrade (students haven't much money) or looking for another distro. Andre
Re: [sabayon-dev] [RFC] Ending 32bit support?
I see that a decision was made already but I just want to put in my 2 cents. Its about the numbers to make an educated decision. How many downloads where there of the x86_64 vs i686 the last few releases. Architecture wise what does it look like from the equo side how many unique pc's are updating from the mirrors. Also we just released a new iso for i686 install support.If you truly want people to migrate off i686. Start by kill the install media and wait about a year or so. Then announce that there is no more official support and make it opened ended so that if some one in the community wants to take over they can via a private repo. On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Andre Jaenisch andrejaeni...@googlemail.com wrote: Yepp, I still need 32Bit. So dropping this support would make me either upgrade (students haven't much money) or looking for another distro. Andre
Re: [sabayon-dev] [RFC] Ending 32bit support?
Last of my 32bit mobos died the other week, so no problem for me if you drop drop support for x86 32bit On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Fabio Erculiani lx...@sabayon.org wrote: So, x86_64 is more than 10 years old now, and it's time to think again about the i686 architecture. I am proposing to gradually drop support for x86 32bit by the end of 2013 (the how would deserve a separate discussion). Is there any serious reason not to kill 32bit? Maintaining it takes 50% of our resources (time and space) and we could just dedicate some of them to the other emerging architecture called ARM. This is just an RFC for now, don't get scared. Cheers, -- Fabio Erculiani
