Re: [sabayon-dev] Pastebin usage with Bugzilla

2011-09-23 Thread James Cook
Does that mean that because the sabayon.org redesign will invalidate
broken links due to URL changes and those will also be marked invalid?
Seriously if thats your logic you just invalidated our own forums for
use in reference in the bugtracker.

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 9:55 PM, Joost Ruis joostr...@gmail.com wrote:
 Fine.

 On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 11:07 AM, Fabio Erculiani lx...@sabayon.org wrote:
 Hi,
 I'm now going to close any bug as INVALID if submitter uses Pastebin
 as a way for providing logs or config files.
 Please do NOT use Pastebin and Bugzilla together.

 Thanks,
 --
 Fabio Erculiani







Re: [sabayon-dev] Pastebin usage with Bugzilla

2011-09-23 Thread James Cook
Toderel, the default expiry for pastebin is never. For anything else
it requires user intervention. Hence the reason I included one that
will be having it's second birthday very soon previously.

On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Glenn Phillips
gl...@coriolis-storm.com wrote:
 theres also the fact many of the logs are pulled from CLI only sources, so
 they just pastebin the logs and move on, I wonder how hard it would to be
 build a little button in bugzilla that says: copy log from pastebin - with a
 url box to the pastebin id... and it just pulls it...

 On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Toderel Adrian-Aurel toted...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 so, we have a little problem here, pastebin is for transient data logs (
 max 30 days if i remember correctly) and good bug reports need permanent
 logs! why can't both world be happy by just make bug report infrastructure
 pull out automaticaly, as permanent cached data, pastebin logs links?

 is true, this nice kinky wish_to_be automations is for lazy persons who
 are so lazy that can not afford to upload logs twice, one time to pastebin
 and one more time in bugreport infrastructure ...

 this announce is also true for pastebin.sabayon.org? i think it is!
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 2011/9/23 Glenn Phillips gl...@coriolis-storm.com

 why add something to scrape the Pastebin data into a file when its
 detected in the bug input field...
 if facebook can manage similar with their status ticker BS why can't we?
 also James you comment is invalid as it contains a link to pastebin

 On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 7:30 AM, James Cook azerth...@gmail.com wrote:

 you mean like pastebin.com?

 http://pastebin.com/f1b94f49d

 On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 2:35 AM, Gary Clow short_g...@hotmail.com
 wrote:
  Obviously a system needs to be created where by the data on paste bins
  get
  merged into the ticket thus meaning only when the ticket is resolved
  the
  data is removed this may require someone copying and pasting this
  into the
  ticket..
 
  The alternative is someone ask HP for a license to use HP SM7 to track
  tickets... Haha yeah, no...
 
  Afaik if users paste their log then that is a massive step to solving
  the
  bug.
 
  Another question would be, has anyone got a system where the sabayon
  paste
  bin expires after a year or so? Just an idea.
  And my 2c's
  ,,,--
  Kind regards,
 
  Gary Clow
 
  Sent from my Nokia N900
 
  On Fri, 23 Sep 2011, 22:18:11 NZST, Wolfden wolf...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Users are use to pastebins, this is what they are told to use in IRC
  and
  not just with our distro.  I agree pastebin don't work for bugzilla
  so
  Danilo and Daniél are hitting the nail on the head with teaching them
  not too.
 
  On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 5:11 AM, Danilo Pianini
  danilo.pian...@gmail.comwrote:
 
   Agree with Daniél. It's just important to help people to help us:
   so
   we can choose the rules we desire, but we are responsible to
   correctly
   help them with their reports.
  
   Fabio, I understand you are getting upset of people using
   pastebin+bugzilla and making tons of mistakes, but instead of
   replying:
   Thanks for using Pastebin with Bugzilla.
   The stuff you pasted is now gone forever.
   Smart, huh.
  
   You could have replied:
   Please don't use Pastebin with Bugzilla, or the stuff you paste
   will
   be lost and your bug will be marked as INVALID. Please attach your
   files to this bug report, and read carefully the instructions
   available at LINK.
  
   Many users have never seen a bugzilla before, maybe they neither
   know
   how a pastebin works, we cannot require users to born with bult-in
   knowledge. I know dealing with ignorance is irritating, but it's
   necessary.
  
   BTW, for this very specific issue, a bot with the above fixed reply
   acting every time a *pastebin.* pattern is detected would work
   IMHO.
  
  
   2011/9/23 Daniél Lecoq cu...@curzed.net:
In my opinion, as long as it's clear for the users that they
should
use this and not that because that expires. I see nothing
wrong with making that invalid. But it should be clear that
they
should use this instead.
   
On 09/23/2011 08:35 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
 On Fri, Sep 23, 2011

Re: [sabayon-dev] Pastebin usage with Bugzilla

2011-09-22 Thread James Cook
 Pastebin data expires
should read  some Pastebin data expires

marking it invalid because it `may` expire? maybe you can also mark
them invalid because the user `may` be wrong. If the data expires THEN
mark it invalid and/or RFC it. Sorry the blanket invalidating it is
simply indefensible.

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 9:24 PM, Fabio Erculiani lx...@sabayon.org wrote:
 On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 6:11 AM, James Cook azerth...@gmail.com wrote:
 you did not indent the third line by two spaces nor the 14th line by
 the required 9 spaces, therefor your bug is invalid. Sorry thats
 exactly how I translate that bit of nit picking detail mongering.
 However if your looking for a way to just cut down on the number of
 open bugs and the number of people who file bugs at all, carry on.


 Dear Mr. Conspiracy,

 Pastebin data expires.
 Bugs data cannot expire.
 Therefore, Pastebin cannot be used with Bugzilla.

 --
 Fabio Erculiani





Re: [sabayon-dev] About splitting sabayon overlay to easily use it on Gentoo

2011-09-18 Thread James Cook
already easy to handle locally, add the overly, mask the overlay, ln
-s what ever you want from the overlay to wherever else you want. Why
ask someone else to do something because your being lazy?

On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Wolfden wolf...@gmail.com wrote:
 yes I agree if it's dependency issues

 On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Vitovt vit...@grusha.org.ua wrote:

 Very good idea to split Sabayon stuff and General stuff. It is because of
 dependencies sometimes people don't need to change KDM theme, bud would like
 to install unmasked and verified KDE. Also with others packets.
 It will be easier to use by normal Gentoo users and also it will be easier
 to add fixes and offer patches.
 --
 Vitovt
 Керівник проекту
 Груша.org.ua
 e-mail: vit...@grusha.org.ua
 IRC: chat.freenode.net #grusha
 73


 2011/9/18 Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org

 El dom, 18-09-2011 a las 12:47 -0400, Wolfden escribió:
  Why can't you install the packages now with one overlay?  It's not
  like you gonna emerge the whole layman anyway. I can add the sunrise
  overlay, but may only install one or two packages. This request seems
  odd.
 
 
 
 
 
  --
  KJS
  ~wolfden~

 Last time I tried to use sabayon overlay portage wanted to install a lot
 of packages (for example, gnome packages) from sabayon overlay instead
 of main tree, while I only wanted sabayon overlay to install some
 packages not yet available in gentoo. This is the reason why I would
 like to be able to add an overlay only with packages not available in
 gentoo yet.










 --
 KJS
 ~wolfden~








Re: [sabayon-dev] Sabayon Project and my absence

2011-09-15 Thread James Cook
hoooray, I think that says it from my perspective.

On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Fabio Erculiani lx...@sabayon.org wrote:
 As Mitch said, IRC burnout is very real.
 I cannot myself stay on IRC 24/7 or real-time answer to people on IMs
 or social networks.
 It's not working, as wolfden pointed out. Everybody can be busy doing
 other things and preemption (:D) in this case just doesn't work.

 I completely agree with the proposal though. We need to rework the
 workflow that way. No need to add more to that.

 I will make sure the policy is going to be respected.
 --
 Fabio Erculiani