Re: [SailfishDevel] Daemons in app store. And/or other ways of getting activated on event/schedule
+1 also interessting for me to have a daemon on start, because I want port my FotoShare app, also another idea is in my mind. :) Thanks, Gabriel. -- Von meinem Nokia N9 gesendet Marcin M. schrieb am 29.12.13 15:34: And for example phone speaker switcher as on Maemo (though it would be better if it was provided by Jolla), changing mac address on startup, etc. etc. -- Marcin 2013/12/29 Alejandro Exojo s...@badopi.org El Saturday 28 December 2013, Artem Marchenko escribió: What would be the sailfish way to do it? - Harmattan-like hooking to alarm clock scheduler? Seems so. I was looking at the same issue, because I would like to understand how and alarm application should work. The Jolla one is not open source, but looking at the behaviour, where it doesn't need to be started, and is not even started for displaying the alarm (is displayed though the primary/general UI, in which seems to be a mode of the lock screen), I think it uses this Nemo framework: https://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-qml-plugin-alarms Is installed by default (or, on demand after the installation of the Alarm app), but it doesn't seem Harbour approved yet. However, I think in the future they might approve harbour- prefixed daemons, since the mention systemd services in their porting guide: https://sailfishos.org/wiki/Porting/Harmattan Sailors would provide more info. -- Alex (a.k.a. suy) | GPG ID 0x0B8B0BC2 http://barnacity.net/ | http://disperso.net ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list
[SailfishDevel] Possible QtContacts 5.0 Bug
Hi, when creating a contact I am unable to store the guid field. All data is stored but not the guid. Ciao Matze ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list
Re: [SailfishDevel] jolla-mediaplayer cant handle file url for opening
Hi Andrey, jolla-mediaplayer cant handle file url for opening Wrote a bug about it, hopefully fixed promptly. :) Thanks, Joona From: devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org [devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org] on behalf of Andrey Kozhevnikov [coderusin...@gmail.com] Sent: 26 December 2013 05:41 To: Sailfish OS Developers Subject: [SailfishDevel] jolla-mediaplayer cant handle file url for opening There is worst lack of feature ever in jolla-mediaplayer. It have no option to open mediafile from fileurl via mimetypes associations. There are just NO way to open media file from filemanager or transfers window. Users erporting it as bug in my application, but bug in Sailfish, in jolla-mediaplayer (not a bug ofc., just lack of default feature which any application should have) ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list
[SailfishDevel] No consistency across screens
I've had the phone for a week now and overall, I'm not impressed. It lacks some of the screen simplicity and clarity that my N900 has. An example is the text message screen. There is very little distinction between messages apart from a dull time/date. That seems to be a common theme across the various screens. An example of that is the email app settings screen. I've just tried to create an email account without success. There is no way to know why the thing won't accept the settings. I assumed I had done everything correctly but when I went to the email app itself, I was told that no accounts had been created. Fearing that it was just my inability to do stuff on the phone, I handed it to one of my sons who is a Human Factors specialist i.e. he advises his company on better ways to interact with equipment. His initial comments are as follows :- 1. Front screen - no labels on second screen (phone, messages, browser and camera) except when dragged up slightly. [I can see no logic for that whatsoever. It seems to reply on familiarity with the phone but as I've only had it for a few days, that familiarity is not there]. 2. No obvious way to get to a URL in the browser [I think this is because of the poor distinction between text and background mentioned above]. 3. No indication of which pane you're looking at [again, that seems to rely on familiarity]. 4. No way to interact with things in the browser e.g. save a picture. 5. Power level and 2G/3G signal off page - only visible when moving between 2 panes. I know that some of these things have been mentioned by others e.g. the battery level on the front screen but so much of the phone seems to be a 'work in progress' that it seems to have been rushed out too early. I bought the phone in order to support Jolla but it seems that they're not helping themselves by lacking consistency across the various screens. Perhaps that's a function of a smaller company with individuals not working cheek-by-jowl as they might be in a bigger company. I don't want to end on a sour note so let me say that I don't mind the People app, that is, once I had managed to import all the contacts from the N900 but I did have to resort to some perl to add the \r\n between the various contacts. One question here. When I did an import on day 1 of just one VCF, the app showed the icon for that person but having had to reset the phone back to factory settings before it would do any updates, it now shows 'Add your favourites'. Where is the logic in that? Another question! Can I import the SMS messages from the N900 to the Jolla? If so, can somebody point me to a 'howto'? I was hoping that I could retrieve them from a backup of the N900 but how do I use them on the Jolla? ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list
[SailfishDevel] Impossible to SSH since update
Since I upgraded to the last update, I can't ssh the device (no USB interface created under Linux) anymore. Does anyone else has this problem ? Cheers, Vincent ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list
Re: [SailfishDevel] Impossible to SSH since update
On 30/12/2013 15:02, Vincent B. wrote: Since I upgraded to the last update, I can't ssh the device (no USB interface created under Linux) anymore. Does anyone else has this problem ? Cheers, Please ignore the message. It was the classical update kernel but forget to reboot computer thing. Vincent ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list
Re: [SailfishDevel] Impossible to SSH since update
On 30/12/13 14:02, Vincent B. wrote: Since I upgraded to the last update, I can't ssh the device (no USB interface created under Linux) anymore. Does anyone else has this problem ? Do you pick developer mode when you plugin the usb? Does dmesg or similar show an rndis_host? FWIW I always ssh in via wifi :) David ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list
Re: [SailfishDevel] No consistency across screens
2013/12/30 David Greaves david.grea...@jolla.com: Thanks for taking the time to comment :) Some parts I can offer an opinion on ... On 30/12/13 13:02, Chris Walker wrote: [snip] 5. Power level and 2G/3G signal off page - only visible when moving between 2 panes. By design - you rarely need this information but it's trivially accessible. Also worth mentioning is that usual pattern of unlocking the phone involves going past this information and it's visible when peeking from an application, so you are actually exposed to this information quite often. I would say that the statusbar design which has been the de facto standard for quite some years has set this expectation of constantly monitoring your battery level and networking, although one can argue that specially the peeking function (once fully adopted) will make up for this loss of information. -- Kalle Vahlman, Movial Creative Technologies Inc. Porkkalankatu 20, FI-00180 Helsinki Tel +358 9 8567 6400 Fax +358 9 8567 6401 www.movial.com ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list
Re: [SailfishDevel] jolla-mediaplayer cant handle file url for opening
Hi Joona, how are you going to map mp4 media files? mp4 is a media container and can contain audio or video. If it has only audio track, it should go to jolla-mediaplayer, but if it has video, should it go to jolla-gallery (which plays videos)... The jolla-gallery app could be the preferred app, because the camera stores its videos in mp4 format. Cheers, Kari 2013/12/30 Joona Petrell joona.petr...@jolla.com Hi Andrey, jolla-mediaplayer cant handle file url for opening Wrote a bug about it, hopefully fixed promptly. :) Thanks, Joona From: devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org [ devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org] on behalf of Andrey Kozhevnikov [ coderusin...@gmail.com] Sent: 26 December 2013 05:41 To: Sailfish OS Developers Subject: [SailfishDevel] jolla-mediaplayer cant handle file url for opening There is worst lack of feature ever in jolla-mediaplayer. It have no option to open mediafile from fileurl via mimetypes associations. There are just NO way to open media file from filemanager or transfers window. Users erporting it as bug in my application, but bug in Sailfish, in jolla-mediaplayer (not a bug ofc., just lack of default feature which any application should have) ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list
Re: [SailfishDevel] Internationalization
W dniu 30.12.2013 13:56, Joona Petrell pisze: Hi Flaviano, Jolla is working on a collaborative translation tool. Hi Joona, big thanks for communicating that fact to us! Regards, Filip ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list
Re: [SailfishDevel] Impossible to SSH since update: SSH via Wifi
Hi David et al. Can you clarify the exact setup you use for ssh via wifi. My assumption is: a) Jolla phone connected to wifi-router via wifi. b) Development host connected to same network, either also via wifi or via ethernet cable. i.e. not a peer-to-peer connection between the phone and development host. If so I can think of a number of situations where this setup would not work for me personally 1) I do a lot of my mobile development very literally mobile: i.e. to kill time while travelling to and from work on the train. On the train there is no wifi (or rather no free wifi), so a usb connection for ssh is the best option. 2) At work (yes I know I should be working at work, not doing Sailfish stuff ..). Here I have not yet succeeded in getting the Jolla to properly connect to the Visitor WLAN (It gets further than the N9 does, but not as far as a Galaxy Note 3). While we are on the subject of wifi (and developing on trains), one of the most useful things on my N9 is the wifi-hotspot. It allows me to goggle and pkcon / zypper while on the move. I was surprised to find that my new Jolla does not (yet) have an equivalent. Indeed without it I can't see it actually replacing the N9 as my everyday phone. Is a wifi-hotspot in the works from Jolla? I have seen (but not yet tried) https://github.com/sailfishapps/harbour-hotspot. Grüsse p.s, as a positive note, my Jolla arrived this morning! Chris Zitat von David Greaves david.grea...@jolla.com: On 30/12/13 14:02, Vincent B. wrote: Since I upgraded to the last update, I can't ssh the device (no USB interface created under Linux) anymore. Does anyone else has this problem ? Do you pick developer mode when you plugin the usb? Does dmesg or similar show an rndis_host? FWIW I always ssh in via wifi :) David ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list
Re: [SailfishDevel] No consistency across screens
On Monday 30 December 2013 15.35.39 Graham Cobb wrote: I need that information all the time -- a **lot** more often than I actually interact with the phone. In every app you can just shortly swipe left less than half of screen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9YGtW274GI and you will see the clock, 3g level and wifi level and then just release and you back in current application. So I dont see any reason this must be visible all the time when its so easy check it that way. And if your phone is idle just double tap and it shows all that information for you. There is a reason every other phone has them visible at all times. Yeah, and there is a reason everyone use windows to... ;) Seriously, just because everyone copycats each other in that area it doesn't mean it can be done different. I think above is just something have to get used to in short run it may confuse user because of old habits :) But when get used its as good as the alternatives. I really hope they don't change that. Anyway there are areas that need to be improved in the UI so :) Regards Mikael -- Skickat från Lenovo Thinkpad X230 running Kubuntu desktop ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list
Re: [SailfishDevel] No consistency across screens
On 30/12/13 17:20, Mikael Hermansson wrote: On Monday 30 December 2013 15.35.39 Graham Cobb wrote: I need that information all the time -- a **lot** more often than I actually interact with the phone. In every app you can just shortly swipe left less than half of screen It doesn't work when on the home screen. So, you have to look at the screen, work out which page it is on and then take some special action dependent on that page. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9YGtW274GI and you will see the clock, 3g level and wifi level and then just release and you back in current application. So I dont see any reason this must be visible all the time when its so easy check it that way. My phone sits on my desk, near my normal line of sight, and I glance at it frequently. I don't move my hands off the keyboard to touch it -- I am not even consciously doing the task of checking my phone. I also often glance at it while on a non-handsfree call which has become a longer call than I expected -- while talking and listening I can quickly move the phone into view, check it isn't about to run down on me and return it to my ear without the other person noticing. There are three key pieces of information which must be available at a glance: is there signal?, how is the battery?, have there been any missed calls? Note: I spend a lot of time on conference calls of an hour or so, usually using a desk phone -- I often do not remember whether I missed any calls on my mobile while I was on a conference call. Nor do I always remember to check when the call finishes (often rushing to get a glass of water or go to the toilet before the next call starts). So, having all three things visible whenever my eyes stray from my screen to my phone is very important. Seriously, just because everyone copycats each other in that area it doesn't mean it can be done different. Indeed. But just because a UI feature looks nice doesn't mean it is necessarily practical. I am not a UX person, but I strongly suspect the Jolla team need to do more user testing, with more varied types of users, in this area. ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list
Re: [SailfishDevel] No consistency across screens
I have used Jolla now for over a month, and I have to say that for first days I missed the battery level etc things, but not anymore. I like where they are, I know how I can peek them. I haven't drained the battery so low that I could see does the indicator led start to blink when low battery has been announced (afaik that happens somewhere about 10%) Maybe someone makes app with icon(s) showing these information, so they can be always visible on home screen ?? -kimmo -Original Message- From: devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org [mailto:devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org] On Behalf Of Graham Cobb Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 8:07 PM To: devel@lists.sailfishos.org Subject: Re: [SailfishDevel] No consistency across screens On 30/12/13 17:20, Mikael Hermansson wrote: On Monday 30 December 2013 15.35.39 Graham Cobb wrote: I need that information all the time -- a **lot** more often than I actually interact with the phone. In every app you can just shortly swipe left less than half of screen It doesn't work when on the home screen. So, you have to look at the screen, work out which page it is on and then take some special action dependent on that page. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9YGtW274GI and you will see the clock, 3g level and wifi level and then just release and you back in current application. So I dont see any reason this must be visible all the time when its so easy check it that way. My phone sits on my desk, near my normal line of sight, and I glance at it frequently. I don't move my hands off the keyboard to touch it -- I am not even consciously doing the task of checking my phone. I also often glance at it while on a non-handsfree call which has become a longer call than I expected -- while talking and listening I can quickly move the phone into view, check it isn't about to run down on me and return it to my ear without the other person noticing. There are three key pieces of information which must be available at a glance: is there signal?, how is the battery?, have there been any missed calls? Note: I spend a lot of time on conference calls of an hour or so, usually using a desk phone -- I often do not remember whether I missed any calls on my mobile while I was on a conference call. Nor do I always remember to check when the call finishes (often rushing to get a glass of water or go to the toilet before the next call starts). So, having all three things visible whenever my eyes stray from my screen to my phone is very important. Seriously, just because everyone copycats each other in that area it doesn't mean it can be done different. Indeed. But just because a UI feature looks nice doesn't mean it is necessarily practical. I am not a UX person, but I strongly suspect the Jolla team need to do more user testing, with more varied types of users, in this area. ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list
Re: [SailfishDevel] No consistency across screens
If you have this special need to see that information all the time on your screen why not writing an app that shows that info on screen. Enable that app to always keep the screen active without blanking it so it should do that job for you. Any volunteers? -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 30.12.13 19:07 Graham Cobb wrote: On 30/12/13 17:20, Mikael Hermansson wrote: On Monday 30 December 2013 15.35.39 Graham Cobb wrote: I need that information all the time -- a **lot** more often than I actually interact with the phone. In every app you can just shortly swipe left less than half of screen It doesn't work when on the home screen. So, you have to look at the screen, work out which page it is on and then take some special action dependent on that page. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9YGtW274GI and you will see the clock, 3g level and wifi level and then just release and you back in current application. So I dont see any reason this must be visible all the time when its so easy check it that way. My phone sits on my desk, near my normal line of sight, and I glance at it frequently. I don't move my hands off the keyboard to touch it -- I am not even consciously doing the task of checking my phone. I also often glance at it while on a non-handsfree call which has become a longer call than I expected -- while talking and listening I can quickly move the phone into view, check it isn't about to run down on me and return it to my ear without the other person noticing. There are three key pieces of information which must be available at a glance: is there signal?, how is the battery?, have there been any missed calls? Note: I spend a lot of time on conference calls of an hour or so, usually using a desk phone -- I often do not remember whether I missed any calls on my mobile while I was on a conference call. Nor do I always remember to check when the call finishes (often rushing to get a glass of water or go to the toilet before the next call starts). So, having all three things visible whenever my eyes stray from my screen to my phone is very important. Seriously, just because everyone copycats each other in that area it doesn't mean it can be done different. Indeed. But just because a UI feature looks nice doesn't mean it is necessarily practical. I am not a UX person, but I strongly suspect the Jolla team need to do more user testing, with more varied types of users, in this area. ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list
Re: [SailfishDevel] Impossible to SSH since update: SSH via Wifi
Hi Vincent Thanks for the hint, but I should have said my main development host is OSX. As Wikipedia quaintly puts it se of ifconfig to modify network settings in Mac OS X is discouraged. I am also sure I saw somewhere that USB connection to a Jolla from OSX does not work yet. Grüsse Chris Zitat von Vincent B. v...@luminar.eu.org: On 30/12/2013 17:59, christopher.l...@thurweb.ch wrote: My assumption is: a) Jolla phone connected to wifi-router via wifi. b) Development host connected to same network, either also via wifi or via ethernet cable. The simplest way for me is ssh over usb. plug on the Jolla, do ifconfig usb0 inet 192.168.2.14 on your computer, and you can do ssh nemo@192.168.2.15. Vincent ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list
Re: [SailfishDevel] Order of app icons in the launcher. What controls it? Changeable?
On Mon, 30 Dec 2013 03:15:00 +0200 Artem Marchenko artem.marche...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all Rearranging apps manually it tedious while with three screens of apps you have to do it somehow. I am thinking about a small utility app that would sort the icons alphabetically or by some criteria (e.g. app names known to be about social networks to be close to each other). Take a look at Catorise GUI for the N900. That groups apps sensibly IMHO so that the categories all it onto one *small* screen. Just make sure that all the legends for the icons are visible, unlike the current 'home' screen on the phone. What is actually defining the icon order? How can we modify it? Best regards, Artem. ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list
Re: [SailfishDevel] No consistency across screens
Tell me a harbour fitting solution, that prevents the screen from blanking! :) Also getting this information in a harbour conform way could be a bit difficult. ;-) But outside Jolla harbour it should not be a problem. Gabriel. -- Von meinem Nokia N9 gesendet marko.kosc...@tisno.de schrieb am 30.12.13 19:40: If you have this special need to see that information all the time on your screen why not writing an app that shows that info on screen. Enable that app to always keep the screen active without blanking it so it should do that job for you. Any volunteers? -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 30.12.13 19:07 Graham Cobb wrote: On 30/12/13 17:20, Mikael Hermansson wrote: On Monday 30 December 2013 15.35.39 Graham Cobb wrote: I need that information all the time -- a **lot** more often than I actually interact with the phone. In every app you can just shortly swipe left less than half of screen It doesn't work when on the home screen. So, you have to look at the screen, work out which page it is on and then take some special action dependent on that page. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9YGtW274GI and you will see the clock, 3g level and wifi level and then just release and you back in current application. So I dont see any reason this must be visible all the time when its so easy check it that way. My phone sits on my desk, near my normal line of sight, and I glance at it frequently. I don't move my hands off the keyboard to touch it -- I am not even consciously doing the task of checking my phone. I also often glance at it while on a non-handsfree call which has become a longer call than I expected -- while talking and listening I can quickly move the phone into view, check it isn't about to run down on me and return it to my ear without the other person noticing. There are three key pieces of information which must be available at a glance: is there signal?, how is the battery?, have there been any missed calls? Note: I spend a lot of time on conference calls of an hour or so, usually using a desk phone -- I often do not remember whether I missed any calls on my mobile while I was on a conference call. Nor do I always remember to check when the call finishes (often rushing to get a glass of water or go to the toilet before the next call starts). So, having all three things visible whenever my eyes stray from my screen to my phone is very important. Seriously, just because everyone copycats each other in that area it doesn't mean it can be done different. Indeed. But just because a UI feature looks nice doesn't mean it is necessarily practical. I am not a UX person, but I strongly suspect the Jolla team need to do more user testing, with more varied types of users, in this area. ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list
Re: [SailfishDevel] No consistency across screens
On Mon, 30 Dec 2013 14:01:34 + David Greaves david.grea...@jolla.com wrote: Thanks for taking the time to comment :) Some parts I can offer an opinion on ... On 30/12/13 13:02, Chris Walker wrote: 1. Front screen - no labels on second screen (phone, messages, browser and camera) except when dragged up slightly. [I can see no logic for that whatsoever. It seems to reply on familiarity with the phone but as I've only had it for a few days, that familiarity is not there]. What percentage of the time you own a typical device is spent in unfamiliarity vs familiarity. In the long run which is more important for you as a user from an optimisation and experience point of view. In the short run which is more important for a salesman or a reviewer point of view. Would you rather Jolla designed for a sales/review experience or a long term user experience? They're not mutually exclusive! If the design is usable in the first instance, it doesn't stop being usable with familiarity over time. In my working life I was a hardware engineer and never had much time for sales people so I've probably answered that one ;-) FWIW an iconic car maker in the UK (TVR) produced wonderfully engineered car interiors; one thing that annoyed reviewers and delighted owners was the lack of spurious writing all over the dashboard. TVR might have designed good interiors but it was a pity they never managed to produce the rest of the car in the same way. The interiors were stylish but they built on a poor foundation. To put this into context against a phone, it's all very well having a good UI but if the foundation is poor, you're always on a loser, as was TVR ;-) I do agree that there is always a balance - we think it's pretty good but we do value feedback as that's what helps us get it just right. A long time ago, there was a UK computer manufacturer called Acorn. IMHO they were one of the few companies, Apple being another, that produced a consistent user interface. They had one way of doing things with the apps being small and passing on tasks to other small apps. What they didn't have was two ways of entering email account details for instance - I still haven't sorted out an email account. 4. No way to interact with things in the browser e.g. save a picture. A long press does that (although some pages seem to prevent it). We're aware that the discoverability of a long-press is poor. 5. Power level and 2G/3G signal off page - only visible when moving between 2 panes. By design - you rarely need this information but it's trivially accessible. I would disagree with that. I'd say it was vital to know that the battery isn't about to run out just when you need to make an important call. To my mind, that information has to be on the front screen. But the information is not resident i.e. it's not visible as part of screen, it's transient. I agree that it's accessible but as a user I want to see it, much like I would glance at a watch. I don't want to know that it's 14:56:32, I just like to know that it's about 5 to 3. The other things you mention are in part due to the early phase of development. I'd also be interested if you'd care to post back how you find the device after a month of usage. OK. Will do. Do you want there or elsewhere? I'm aware that this is not probably not the right place for some of the comments I made. But to stoke the fire a bit, where are the profiles? I want to switch to silent/quiet mode as I did this afternoon while playing snooker. Where are the multiple calendars? I have one for beer festivals on the N900. I can't create any more on the Jolla. ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list
Re: [SailfishDevel] No consistency across screens
On Mon, 30 Dec 2013 18:20:17 +0100 Mikael Hermansson m...@7b4.se wrote: On Monday 30 December 2013 15.35.39 Graham Cobb wrote: I need that information all the time -- a **lot** more often than I actually interact with the phone. In every app you can just shortly swipe left less than half of screen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9YGtW274GI and you will see the clock, 3g level and wifi level and then just release and you back in current application. So I dont see any reason this must be visible all the time when its so easy check it that way. And if your phone is idle just double tap and it shows all that information for you. Really? It doesn't here. If I double tap from a black screen, all I see is the ship, a time and a WLAN symbol. I have to scroll a little to see battery and 2G/3G availability. ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list
Re: [SailfishDevel] No consistency across screens
On Mon, 30 Dec 2013 18:13:23 + Kimmo Lindholm kimmo.lindh...@eke.fi wrote: I have used Jolla now for over a month, and I have to say that for first days I missed the battery level etc things, but not anymore. I like where they are, I know how I can peek them. I haven't drained the battery so low that I could see does the indicator led start to blink when low battery has been announced (afaik that happens somewhere about 10%) Maybe someone makes app with icon(s) showing these information, so they can be always visible on home screen ?? Sledgehammer and nut. Why create an app to overcome what I consider to be a shortcoming in the phone design? There is a reason other manufacturers have this information on the home screen. Why can't I drag the icons to the point on the home screen that I consider they should be like I can with my Blackberry Playbook? I'm pleased that this has been a reasoned discussion and also to know that I'm not alone in my views and requirements. It almost seems that I'm involved as part of the design team, albeit unpaid ;-) ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list
Re: [SailfishDevel] Impossible to SSH since update: SSH via Wifi
On Mon, 30 Dec 2013 17:59:25 +0100 christopher.l...@thurweb.ch wrote: Hi David et al. [snip] p.s, as a positive note, my Jolla arrived this morning! I'd be interested to know if you can download any apps and perform software updates 'out of the box' as my phone wouldn't. I suspect that it was my fault by playing around with developer mode before doing much else. I had to reset it to factory defaults before it would do much at all but it's now working much better in that regard - OS is now at 1.0.2.5 and I've downloaded a few apps and even one Android game. ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list
Re: [SailfishDevel] No consistency across screens
You are most welcome... But sometimes you need to put your p***s in to the ant-nest and try something new. That's what Jolla is all about. Creating something new - together. And I know that new doesn't come without pain, but when you got it there is joy. But I might (?) agree that the lock screen could be sifted ~100 pixels up to show always the battery etc info. https://www.dropbox.com/s/9xchp9of62t3u7u/20131230221828.png -kimmo -Original Message- From: devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org [mailto:devel-boun...@lists.sailfishos.org] On Behalf Of Chris Walker Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 10:22 PM To: devel@lists.sailfishos.org Subject: Re: [SailfishDevel] No consistency across screens On Mon, 30 Dec 2013 18:13:23 + Kimmo Lindholm kimmo.lindh...@eke.fi wrote: I have used Jolla now for over a month, and I have to say that for first days I missed the battery level etc things, but not anymore. I like where they are, I know how I can peek them. I haven't drained the battery so low that I could see does the indicator led start to blink when low battery has been announced (afaik that happens somewhere about 10%) Maybe someone makes app with icon(s) showing these information, so they can be always visible on home screen ?? Sledgehammer and nut. Why create an app to overcome what I consider to be a shortcoming in the phone design? There is a reason other manufacturers have this information on the home screen. Why can't I drag the icons to the point on the home screen that I consider they should be like I can with my Blackberry Playbook? I'm pleased that this has been a reasoned discussion and also to know that I'm not alone in my views and requirements. It almost seems that I'm involved as part of the design team, albeit unpaid ;-) ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list
[SailfishDevel] Request for modern C++ compiler in the SailfishOS SDK
Hi there, yes the subject is quite a bit provocative :-) When I get it right there is a gcc4.6.4 on the MerSDK virtual machine. An up-to-date version of gcc should be something around 4.8. Usually I am not part of the I must always have the latest version race but with reference to compilers this would be *really* nice to have. Just think of full C++11 support. And as you just mentioned it(*), are there any plans regarding clang as compiler? This thingy produces far better error messages than gcc. BR. Sven P.S.: this is not meant as a rant! (*) I had a clown for breakfast, sorry. ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list
Re: [SailfishDevel] No consistency across screens
What you seems ask for is don't turn off screen when /idle/ but make sure it show battrerystate/phone etc..? eg in *homeview and lockscreen* that I could agree but not in applications its just would lock wrong in sailfishos IMHO. Regards Mikael On Monday 30 December 2013 18.07.03 Graham Cobb wrote: On 30/12/13 17:20, Mikael Hermansson wrote: On Monday 30 December 2013 15.35.39 Graham Cobb wrote: I need that information all the time -- a **lot** more often than I actually interact with the phone. In every app you can just shortly swipe left less than half of screen It doesn't work when on the home screen. So, you have to look at the screen, work out which page it is on and then take some special action dependent on that page. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9YGtW274GI and you will see the clock, 3g level and wifi level and then just release and you back in current application. So I dont see any reason this must be visible all the time when its so easy check it that way. My phone sits on my desk, near my normal line of sight, and I glance at it frequently. I don't move my hands off the keyboard to touch it -- I am not even consciously doing the task of checking my phone. I also often glance at it while on a non-handsfree call which has become a longer call than I expected -- while talking and listening I can quickly move the phone into view, check it isn't about to run down on me and return it to my ear without the other person noticing. There are three key pieces of information which must be available at a glance: is there signal?, how is the battery?, have there been any missed calls? Note: I spend a lot of time on conference calls of an hour or so, usually using a desk phone -- I often do not remember whether I missed any calls on my mobile while I was on a conference call. Nor do I always remember to check when the call finishes (often rushing to get a glass of water or go to the toilet before the next call starts). So, having all three things visible whenever my eyes stray from my screen to my phone is very important. Seriously, just because everyone copycats each other in that area it doesn't mean it can be done different. Indeed. But just because a UI feature looks nice doesn't mean it is necessarily practical. I am not a UX person, but I strongly suspect the Jolla team need to do more user testing, with more varied types of users, in this area. ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list -- Skickat från Lenovo Thinkpad X230 running Kubuntu desktop ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list
Re: [SailfishDevel] Impossible to SSH since update: SSH via Wifi
Hi Chris Very mixed so far. Successes: 1) Contacts synced from N9 like a dream once I remembered where the N9 hides the Sync function. (thanks Tone) 2) Jolla account accepted 3) Connect to Home WIFI / Internet Failures / Don't knows 4) System updates: It just spins and spins forever looking for updates. Maybe I have not let it look long enough. 5) Enable developer mode: The Developer tools page spends some time spinning Enabling Developer Mode. Sometimes I get some dashes moving horizontally across the screen, sometimes I don't. It then returns to the previous screen with no indication of success or failure. 6) Connecting to Visitor Wifi at work: gets to the login dialog, allows user and and password to be entered, but after that no response. (This maybe down to the less than mobile implementation of the logon page, but I have managed to massage other mobiles to connect). 7) App Store: I can connect, and am currently trying to install Artem's Wikipedia, but this seems to be in state Waiting for an inordinately long time: correction process ended with no indication of success or failure, app is not installed. Trying again ... Opps same result twice ... 8) connecting via SSH: still working on that one .. Chris Zitat von Chris Walker cdw_noki...@the-walker-household.co.uk: On Mon, 30 Dec 2013 17:59:25 +0100 christopher.l...@thurweb.ch wrote: Hi David et al. [snip] p.s, as a positive note, my Jolla arrived this morning! I'd be interested to know if you can download any apps and perform software updates 'out of the box' as my phone wouldn't. I suspect that it was my fault by playing around with developer mode before doing much else. I had to reset it to factory defaults before it would do much at all but it's now working much better in that regard - OS is now at 1.0.2.5 and I've downloaded a few apps and even one Android game. ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list
Re: [SailfishDevel] No consistency across screens
whoops your are right. On Monday 30 December 2013 20.14.22 Chris Walker wrote: On Mon, 30 Dec 2013 18:20:17 +0100 Mikael Hermansson m...@7b4.se wrote: On Monday 30 December 2013 15.35.39 Graham Cobb wrote: I need that information all the time -- a **lot** more often than I actually interact with the phone. In every app you can just shortly swipe left less than half of screen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9YGtW274GI and you will see the clock, 3g level and wifi level and then just release and you back in current application. So I dont see any reason this must be visible all the time when its so easy check it that way. And if your phone is idle just double tap and it shows all that information for you. Really? It doesn't here. If I double tap from a black screen, all I see is the ship, a time and a WLAN symbol. I have to scroll a little to see battery and 2G/3G availability. ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list -- Skickat från Lenovo Thinkpad X230 running Kubuntu desktop ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list
[SailfishDevel] Fwd: Re: Impossible to SSH since update: SSH via Wifi
Hi Chris Checking for updates has now given an answer. I am 1.0.0.5, and it now says Up to date. Yet according to this mailing list, it should be 1.0.2.5 Do I need to enable developer updates on the developer mode settings? If so it does not seem to accept my jolla account. Chris - Weitergeleitete Nachricht von christopher.l...@thurweb.ch - Datum: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 22:15:12 +0100 Von: christopher.l...@thurweb.ch Betreff: Re: [SailfishDevel] Impossible to SSH since update: SSH via Wifi An: Sailfish OS Developers devel@lists.sailfishos.org, Chris Walker cdw_noki...@the-walker-household.co.uk Cc: devel@lists.sailfishos.org Hi Chris Very mixed so far. Successes: 1) Contacts synced from N9 like a dream once I remembered where the N9 hides the Sync function. (thanks Tone) 2) Jolla account accepted 3) Connect to Home WIFI / Internet Failures / Don't knows 4) System updates: It just spins and spins forever looking for updates. Maybe I have not let it look long enough. 5) Enable developer mode: The Developer tools page spends some time spinning Enabling Developer Mode. Sometimes I get some dashes moving horizontally across the screen, sometimes I don't. It then returns to the previous screen with no indication of success or failure. 6) Connecting to Visitor Wifi at work: gets to the login dialog, allows user and and password to be entered, but after that no response. (This maybe down to the less than mobile implementation of the logon page, but I have managed to massage other mobiles to connect). 7) App Store: I can connect, and am currently trying to install Artem's Wikipedia, but this seems to be in state Waiting for an inordinately long time: correction process ended with no indication of success or failure, app is not installed. Trying again ... Opps same result twice ... 8) connecting via SSH: still working on that one .. Chris Zitat von Chris Walker cdw_noki...@the-walker-household.co.uk: On Mon, 30 Dec 2013 17:59:25 +0100 christopher.l...@thurweb.ch wrote: Hi David et al. [snip] p.s, as a positive note, my Jolla arrived this morning! I'd be interested to know if you can download any apps and perform software updates 'out of the box' as my phone wouldn't. I suspect that it was my fault by playing around with developer mode before doing much else. I had to reset it to factory defaults before it would do much at all but it's now working much better in that regard - OS is now at 1.0.2.5 and I've downloaded a few apps and even one Android game. ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list - Ende der weitergeleiteten Nachricht - ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list
Re: [SailfishDevel] Fwd: Re: Impossible to SSH since update: SSH via Wifi
Last update for tonight .. I have just found this tutorial http://www.jollatides.com/2013/12/22/tutorial-install-terminal-native-file-manager-and-accessing-sd-card-storage/ My attempts to enable Developer mode don't get as far as Timo's. So it looks like it is failing, but I don't get any obvious errors. I am off to bed now, I am sure it will come out in the wash tomorrow. 8-) Chris Zitat von christopher.l...@thurweb.ch: Hi Chris Checking for updates has now given an answer. I am 1.0.0.5, and it now says Up to date. Yet according to this mailing list, it should be 1.0.2.5 Do I need to enable developer updates on the developer mode settings? If so it does not seem to accept my jolla account. Chris - Weitergeleitete Nachricht von christopher.l...@thurweb.ch - Datum: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 22:15:12 +0100 Von: christopher.l...@thurweb.ch Betreff: Re: [SailfishDevel] Impossible to SSH since update: SSH via Wifi An: Sailfish OS Developers devel@lists.sailfishos.org, Chris Walker cdw_noki...@the-walker-household.co.uk Cc: devel@lists.sailfishos.org Hi Chris Very mixed so far. Successes: 1) Contacts synced from N9 like a dream once I remembered where the N9 hides the Sync function. (thanks Tone) 2) Jolla account accepted 3) Connect to Home WIFI / Internet Failures / Don't knows 4) System updates: It just spins and spins forever looking for updates. Maybe I have not let it look long enough. 5) Enable developer mode: The Developer tools page spends some time spinning Enabling Developer Mode. Sometimes I get some dashes moving horizontally across the screen, sometimes I don't. It then returns to the previous screen with no indication of success or failure. 6) Connecting to Visitor Wifi at work: gets to the login dialog, allows user and and password to be entered, but after that no response. (This maybe down to the less than mobile implementation of the logon page, but I have managed to massage other mobiles to connect). 7) App Store: I can connect, and am currently trying to install Artem's Wikipedia, but this seems to be in state Waiting for an inordinately long time: correction process ended with no indication of success or failure, app is not installed. Trying again ... Opps same result twice ... 8) connecting via SSH: still working on that one .. Chris Zitat von Chris Walker cdw_noki...@the-walker-household.co.uk: On Mon, 30 Dec 2013 17:59:25 +0100 christopher.l...@thurweb.ch wrote: Hi David et al. [snip] p.s, as a positive note, my Jolla arrived this morning! I'd be interested to know if you can download any apps and perform software updates 'out of the box' as my phone wouldn't. I suspect that it was my fault by playing around with developer mode before doing much else. I had to reset it to factory defaults before it would do much at all but it's now working much better in that regard - OS is now at 1.0.2.5 and I've downloaded a few apps and even one Android game. ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list - Ende der weitergeleiteten Nachricht - ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list
Re: [SailfishDevel] Fwd: Re: Impossible to SSH since update: SSH via Wifi
You need to ensure your device has a working Jolla Account (ie Store opens and shows apps). 1.0.0.5 has a bug where trying to use developer updates messes up the update system. https://together.jolla.com/question/6055/what-are-developer-updates/ Having 2 Chris-es in the thread is a touch confusing but I think you have dev mode working. Ignore any warnings when running ssu :) Open up fingerterm or ssh into the device run devel-su # enter password and then, as root ssu domain sales ssu release 1.0.2.5 ssu ur pkcon refresh now go to Settings-System Settings-About product and pull down to check for updates HTH David On 30/12/13 21:33, christopher.l...@thurweb.ch wrote: Hi Chris Checking for updates has now given an answer. I am 1.0.0.5, and it now says Up to date. Yet according to this mailing list, it should be 1.0.2.5 Do I need to enable developer updates on the developer mode settings? If so it does not seem to accept my jolla account. Chris - Weitergeleitete Nachricht von christopher.l...@thurweb.ch - Datum: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 22:15:12 +0100 Von: christopher.l...@thurweb.ch Betreff: Re: [SailfishDevel] Impossible to SSH since update: SSH via Wifi An: Sailfish OS Developers devel@lists.sailfishos.org, Chris Walker cdw_noki...@the-walker-household.co.uk Cc: devel@lists.sailfishos.org Hi Chris Very mixed so far. Successes: 1) Contacts synced from N9 like a dream once I remembered where the N9 hides the Sync function. (thanks Tone) 2) Jolla account accepted 3) Connect to Home WIFI / Internet Failures / Don't knows 4) System updates: It just spins and spins forever looking for updates. Maybe I have not let it look long enough. 5) Enable developer mode: The Developer tools page spends some time spinning Enabling Developer Mode. Sometimes I get some dashes moving horizontally across the screen, sometimes I don't. It then returns to the previous screen with no indication of success or failure. 6) Connecting to Visitor Wifi at work: gets to the login dialog, allows user and and password to be entered, but after that no response. (This maybe down to the less than mobile implementation of the logon page, but I have managed to massage other mobiles to connect). 7) App Store: I can connect, and am currently trying to install Artem's Wikipedia, but this seems to be in state Waiting for an inordinately long time: correction process ended with no indication of success or failure, app is not installed. Trying again ... Opps same result twice ... 8) connecting via SSH: still working on that one .. Chris Zitat von Chris Walker cdw_noki...@the-walker-household.co.uk: On Mon, 30 Dec 2013 17:59:25 +0100 christopher.l...@thurweb.ch wrote: Hi David et al. [snip] p.s, as a positive note, my Jolla arrived this morning! I'd be interested to know if you can download any apps and perform software updates 'out of the box' as my phone wouldn't. I suspect that it was my fault by playing around with developer mode before doing much else. I had to reset it to factory defaults before it would do much at all but it's now working much better in that regard - OS is now at 1.0.2.5 and I've downloaded a few apps and even one Android game. ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list - Ende der weitergeleiteten Nachricht - ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list
Re: [SailfishDevel] Problem with QQmlListProperty
Remove static keyword and put correct scope for the methods in cpp file:
2013/12/29 Markus Svensson markus.svens...@me.com:
Hi guys,
...
static void append(QQmlListPropertyNote *property, Note* value) {
NoteList *list = (NoteList*) property;
list-addNote(value);
}
=
void NoteList::append(QQmlListPropertyNote *property, Note* value) {
NoteList *list = (NoteList*) property;
list-addNote(value);
}
Keep the static keyword in h file though.
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Re: [SailfishDevel] No consistency across screens
Hi, This is excellent discussion about what could be done about improving the user experience. Now that we have together.jolla.com I suggest you move the concrete proposals there, since then a wider audience of users can discuss and upvote any proposals. We do obviously follow this list too, but it would be better IMO if this list would have focus more on the development topics. BR, Vesku On 12/30/2013 11:18 PM, Mikael Hermansson wrote: whoops your are right. On Monday 30 December 2013 20.14.22 Chris Walker wrote: On Mon, 30 Dec 2013 18:20:17 +0100 Mikael Hermansson m...@7b4.se wrote: On Monday 30 December 2013 15.35.39 Graham Cobb wrote: I need that information all the time -- a **lot** more often than I actually interact with the phone. In every app you can just shortly swipe left less than half of screen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9YGtW274GI and you will see the clock, 3g level and wifi level and then just release and you back in current application. So I dont see any reason this must be visible all the time when its so easy check it that way. And if your phone is idle just double tap and it shows all that information for you. Really? It doesn't here. If I double tap from a black screen, all I see is the ship, a time and a WLAN symbol. I have to scroll a little to see battery and 2G/3G availability. ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list -- Skickat från Lenovo Thinkpad X230 running Kubuntu desktop ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list -- Vesa-Matti Hartikainen Jolla Oy http://jolla.com p. +358 50 487 6067 ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list
