[freenet-dev] Greetings Freenet Devs

[Matthew Toseland]

On Monday 30 May 2011 05:29:22 Tom Elovi Spruce wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm a CS student who is more into design and art than I am with technical 
> implementation.  (However, I can't help but get obsessed with technical 
> details when the project asks for it.)
> 
> Anyways, I've talked with sanity on reddit and it seems you need some UI 
> contributors: 
> http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/ehep2/why_do_wikileaks_supporters_propose_designing/c1wm4y5

Yes. I am toad. I do not have time to fix everything, although I have 
occasionally done UI work when nobody else is available and it's urgent and 
easy. However I am far from the ideal person to work on it. Mostly bugs get 
auto-assigned to me, don't worry about that, just dive in (but please do let us 
know what you're doing e.g. by commenting on the bug). Let me know if you need 
developer rights on the bug tracker (you'll need to tell me what your nick is).

Other people who are coding stuff that is at least a little UI-related:
- ArneBab: Honorable mention, he mostly works on themes (i.e. CSS), and mockups.
- operhiem1 has recently been working on the code related to choosing files on 
disk. (Freenet needs to be able to write downloads direct to disk, or read data 
to upload direct from disk, where possible, for various reasons; hence we 
support both the usual browser upload form and an HTML in-browser file 
browser). He will probably be working on friend-to-friend chat soon (we have 
the backend for this but the UI currently is very clumsy).
- pouyanster is hoping to be doing some work on moving our current hacky HTML 
generation to some sort of lightweight templating engine.
(IRC nicks, also are bugtracker names; amazingly the last two were summer of 
code students that due to our own clumsiness we didn't manage to assign mentors 
to early enough, but they've still done a load of work for us even though they 
won't get paid now)

You may have to work with all of these people to lesser or greater degrees. And 
of course with me and whoever else is interested in UI.
> 
> Now let me make something clear, my interest in this project is to work off 
> what you guys are doing and create an application that serves a utility to 
> the general public. I want to create utilities in order to aid you guys in 
> the deployment of a censorship-free publishing platform that you strive to 
> create. Pretty much, I'm more into the non-political aspects of your project, 
> but I see no harm in helping your free-speech endeavors. (it's not like the 
> Chinese government is going to hunt me down, right? right!?). Nonetheless, I 
> would like to see Freenet grow in popularity in the same light as bitcoin and 
> bittorrent. 
> 
> Moving on, I see two utilities with Freenet: 
> 
> 1. Utilizing a darknet for creating an internet among friends. I see this as 
> a stepping stone for getting people started with the opennet. People love to 
> share files among their friends, what Freenet can offer is an easy-to-use and 
> robust sharing platform. 

To clarify what VolodyA said:

The basic vision here is that in the long term Freenet will mostly operate in 
darknet (friend to friend) mode. However because different people have 
different friends, it should all connect up into one fairly large network 
(hopefully significantly larger than the 6000-2 or so nodes we have now).

Right now most people use opennet - that is, they come across Freenet somehow, 
install it, and don't know anyone already using it, so they allow it to connect 
to opennet.

To get from where we are (mostly opennet) to where we want to be (mostly 
darknet), making it a lot easier for friends to share files locally would 
certainly be a good thing. This is partly a matter of core changes (we support 
transferring files to our friends, but the code doesn't support restarting them 
when the node restarts; and we should be able to tell our friends about our 
downloads and/or files in general, possibly not telling all our friends about 
any specific file based on trust levels, and possibly making them searchable), 
but mostly a matter of user interface. Ideally that user interface would be 
part of Freenet's web interface so it can be bundled and used immediately on 
installing it.

So anything you can do to provide more things to do with your Freenet friends 
will help build a global darknet. Which is a key goal of Freenet.
> 
> 2. Creating a free web publishing platform for everyone. This way, you can 
> convince people to be part of the opennet and get more nodes. Maybe this will 
> lead to having the opennet "feel" just as responsive as the typical 
> client-server platform of HTTP (I'm likely wrong on this; you guys know 
> better). In fact, this is what got me hooked on Freenet. This idea that you 
> have all these computers on the internet, why can't you utilize them to host 
> files instead of a client-server model? The hurdle I see with this is 
> convincing people that the information they 

[freenet-dev] Greetings Freenet Devs

[Matthew Toseland]

On Monday 30 May 2011 14:47:24 Luke R. wrote:
> Hello,
> Welcome to the freenet-dev list! I myself am "not" a developer, but I am 
> working a bit on the UI (or at least trying to). I've made some icons in 
> Inkscape (.svg) for the interface. Trouble is, I'm not a CSS guru. 

Hey, we need icons too! :)

There are lots of places where icons can help, depending on the theme - talk to 
ArneBab I guess.

But if you can learn CSS too that's even better.

> We definitely could use some help on that. The entire interface should have a 
> theme that is more user-friendly. If you join #freenet IRC channel you can 
> discuss that with us.
> 
> Regarding file sharing, FreeNet isn't exactly cut-out for big uploads and 
> downloads. All though it can, it just takes forever. As an example you can 
> checkout the "Legal Downloads" flog on freenet, where linux distro are trying 
> to be mirrored for testing. The devs have been working on the speed problems 
> for years. 

True, but it has actually improved over those years, even if there may have 
been a small regression over the last year or so. (Which IMHO is at least in 
part caused by improvements to performance in terms of *data retreivability* 
i.e. how long content lasts).

I am interested in any figures people have.

> You can see the flog posts "Scream if you Wanna go Faster Parts 1-3" once you 
> join freenet. It's pretty technical...

Yeah, that's worth a post...
> 
> See you around. :)
> 
> --- On Mon, 5/30/11, Tom Elovi Spruce  wrote:
> 
> From: Tom Elovi Spruce 
> Subject: [freenet-dev] Greetings Freenet Devs
> To: devl at freenetproject.org
> Date: Monday, May 30, 2011, 12:29 AM
> 
> Hi all,
> I'm a CS student who is more into design and art than I am with technical 
> implementation.  (However, I can't help but get obsessed with technical 
> details when the project asks for it.)
> 
> Anyways, I've talked with sanity on reddit and it seems you need some UI 
> contributors: 
> http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/ehep2/why_do_wikileaks_supporters_propose_designing/c1wm4y5
> Now let me make something clear, my interest in this project is to work off 
> what you guys are doing and create an application that serves a utility to 
> the general public. I want to create utilities in order to aid you guys in 
> the deployment of a censorship-free publishing platform that you strive to 
> create. Pretty much, I'm more into the non-political aspects of your project, 
> but I see no harm in helping your free-speech endeavors. (it's not like the 
> Chinese government is going to hunt me down, right? right!?). Nonetheless, I 
> would like to see Freenet grow in popularity in the same light as bitcoin and 
> bittorrent. 
> Moving on, I see two utilities with Freenet: 
> 1. Utilizing a darknet for creating an internet among friends. I see this as 
> a stepping stone for getting people started with the opennet. People love to 
> share files among their friends, what Freenet can offer is an easy-to-use and 
> robust sharing platform. 
> 2. Creating a free web publishing platform for everyone. This way, you can 
> convince people to be part of the opennet and get more nodes. Maybe this will 
> lead to having the opennet "feel" just as responsive as the typical 
> client-server platform of HTTP (I'm likely wrong on this; you guys know 
> better). In fact, this is what got me hooked on Freenet. This idea that you 
> have all these computers on the internet, why can't you utilize them to host 
> files instead of a client-server model? The hurdle I see with this is 
> convincing people that the information they will store on their computer will 
> not harm them or make them liable for the content they host for others. 
> Now I will be busy this summer, I have plenty of responsibilities to address 
> to. The best I can do as of now is to keep studying your current 
> infrastructure and, on my free time, create and share mockups to receive some 
> feedback from y'all. 
> Looking forward to...well whatever happens by the time it gets dark: 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUvyUWhpRJY
> [insert valediction],i?computers
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [freenet-dev] Greetings Freenet Devs

[Matthew Toseland]

On Monday 30 May 2011 14:47:24 Luke R. wrote:
 Hello,
 Welcome to the freenet-dev list! I myself am not a developer, but I am 
 working a bit on the UI (or at least trying to). I've made some icons in 
 Inkscape (.svg) for the interface. Trouble is, I'm not a CSS guru. 

Hey, we need icons too! :)

There are lots of places where icons can help, depending on the theme - talk to 
ArneBab I guess.

But if you can learn CSS too that's even better.

 We definitely could use some help on that. The entire interface should have a 
 theme that is more user-friendly. If you join #freenet IRC channel you can 
 discuss that with us.
 
 Regarding file sharing, FreeNet isn't exactly cut-out for big uploads and 
 downloads. All though it can, it just takes forever. As an example you can 
 checkout the Legal Downloads flog on freenet, where linux distro are trying 
 to be mirrored for testing. The devs have been working on the speed problems 
 for years. 

True, but it has actually improved over those years, even if there may have 
been a small regression over the last year or so. (Which IMHO is at least in 
part caused by improvements to performance in terms of *data retreivability* 
i.e. how long content lasts).

I am interested in any figures people have.

 You can see the flog posts Scream if you Wanna go Faster Parts 1-3 once you 
 join freenet. It's pretty technical...

Yeah, that's worth a post...
 
 See you around. :)
 
 --- On Mon, 5/30/11, Tom Elovi Spruce i.love.comput...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 From: Tom Elovi Spruce i.love.comput...@gmail.com
 Subject: [freenet-dev] Greetings Freenet Devs
 To: devl@freenetproject.org
 Date: Monday, May 30, 2011, 12:29 AM
 
 Hi all,
 I'm a CS student who is more into design and art than I am with technical 
 implementation.  (However, I can't help but get obsessed with technical 
 details when the project asks for it.)
 
 Anyways, I've talked with sanity on reddit and it seems you need some UI 
 contributors: 
 http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/ehep2/why_do_wikileaks_supporters_propose_designing/c1wm4y5
 Now let me make something clear, my interest in this project is to work off 
 what you guys are doing and create an application that serves a utility to 
 the general public. I want to create utilities in order to aid you guys in 
 the deployment of a censorship-free publishing platform that you strive to 
 create. Pretty much, I'm more into the non-political aspects of your project, 
 but I see no harm in helping your free-speech endeavors. (it's not like the 
 Chinese government is going to hunt me down, right? right!?). Nonetheless, I 
 would like to see Freenet grow in popularity in the same light as bitcoin and 
 bittorrent. 
 Moving on, I see two utilities with Freenet: 
 1. Utilizing a darknet for creating an internet among friends. I see this as 
 a stepping stone for getting people started with the opennet. People love to 
 share files among their friends, what Freenet can offer is an easy-to-use and 
 robust sharing platform. 
 2. Creating a free web publishing platform for everyone. This way, you can 
 convince people to be part of the opennet and get more nodes. Maybe this will 
 lead to having the opennet feel just as responsive as the typical 
 client-server platform of HTTP (I'm likely wrong on this; you guys know 
 better). In fact, this is what got me hooked on Freenet. This idea that you 
 have all these computers on the internet, why can't you utilize them to host 
 files instead of a client-server model? The hurdle I see with this is 
 convincing people that the information they will store on their computer will 
 not harm them or make them liable for the content they host for others. 
 Now I will be busy this summer, I have plenty of responsibilities to address 
 to. The best I can do as of now is to keep studying your current 
 infrastructure and, on my free time, create and share mockups to receive some 
 feedback from y'all. 
 Looking forward to...well whatever happens by the time it gets dark: 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUvyUWhpRJY
 [insert valediction],i❤computers
 
 
 
 
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Re: [freenet-dev] Greetings Freenet Devs

[Matthew Toseland]

On Monday 30 May 2011 05:29:22 Tom Elovi Spruce wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 I'm a CS student who is more into design and art than I am with technical 
 implementation.  (However, I can't help but get obsessed with technical 
 details when the project asks for it.)
 
 Anyways, I've talked with sanity on reddit and it seems you need some UI 
 contributors: 
 http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/ehep2/why_do_wikileaks_supporters_propose_designing/c1wm4y5

Yes. I am toad. I do not have time to fix everything, although I have 
occasionally done UI work when nobody else is available and it's urgent and 
easy. However I am far from the ideal person to work on it. Mostly bugs get 
auto-assigned to me, don't worry about that, just dive in (but please do let us 
know what you're doing e.g. by commenting on the bug). Let me know if you need 
developer rights on the bug tracker (you'll need to tell me what your nick is).

Other people who are coding stuff that is at least a little UI-related:
- ArneBab: Honorable mention, he mostly works on themes (i.e. CSS), and mockups.
- operhiem1 has recently been working on the code related to choosing files on 
disk. (Freenet needs to be able to write downloads direct to disk, or read data 
to upload direct from disk, where possible, for various reasons; hence we 
support both the usual browser upload form and an HTML in-browser file 
browser). He will probably be working on friend-to-friend chat soon (we have 
the backend for this but the UI currently is very clumsy).
- pouyanster is hoping to be doing some work on moving our current hacky HTML 
generation to some sort of lightweight templating engine.
(IRC nicks, also are bugtracker names; amazingly the last two were summer of 
code students that due to our own clumsiness we didn't manage to assign mentors 
to early enough, but they've still done a load of work for us even though they 
won't get paid now)

You may have to work with all of these people to lesser or greater degrees. And 
of course with me and whoever else is interested in UI.
 
 Now let me make something clear, my interest in this project is to work off 
 what you guys are doing and create an application that serves a utility to 
 the general public. I want to create utilities in order to aid you guys in 
 the deployment of a censorship-free publishing platform that you strive to 
 create. Pretty much, I'm more into the non-political aspects of your project, 
 but I see no harm in helping your free-speech endeavors. (it's not like the 
 Chinese government is going to hunt me down, right? right!?). Nonetheless, I 
 would like to see Freenet grow in popularity in the same light as bitcoin and 
 bittorrent. 
 
 Moving on, I see two utilities with Freenet: 
 
 1. Utilizing a darknet for creating an internet among friends. I see this as 
 a stepping stone for getting people started with the opennet. People love to 
 share files among their friends, what Freenet can offer is an easy-to-use and 
 robust sharing platform. 

To clarify what VolodyA said:

The basic vision here is that in the long term Freenet will mostly operate in 
darknet (friend to friend) mode. However because different people have 
different friends, it should all connect up into one fairly large network 
(hopefully significantly larger than the 6000-2 or so nodes we have now).

Right now most people use opennet - that is, they come across Freenet somehow, 
install it, and don't know anyone already using it, so they allow it to connect 
to opennet.

To get from where we are (mostly opennet) to where we want to be (mostly 
darknet), making it a lot easier for friends to share files locally would 
certainly be a good thing. This is partly a matter of core changes (we support 
transferring files to our friends, but the code doesn't support restarting them 
when the node restarts; and we should be able to tell our friends about our 
downloads and/or files in general, possibly not telling all our friends about 
any specific file based on trust levels, and possibly making them searchable), 
but mostly a matter of user interface. Ideally that user interface would be 
part of Freenet's web interface so it can be bundled and used immediately on 
installing it.

So anything you can do to provide more things to do with your Freenet friends 
will help build a global darknet. Which is a key goal of Freenet.
 
 2. Creating a free web publishing platform for everyone. This way, you can 
 convince people to be part of the opennet and get more nodes. Maybe this will 
 lead to having the opennet feel just as responsive as the typical 
 client-server platform of HTTP (I'm likely wrong on this; you guys know 
 better). In fact, this is what got me hooked on Freenet. This idea that you 
 have all these computers on the internet, why can't you utilize them to host 
 files instead of a client-server model? The hurdle I see with this is 
 convincing people that the information they will store on their computer will 
 

[freenet-dev] Greetings Freenet Devs

[Arne Babenhauserheide]

On Sunday 29 May 2011 21:29:22 Tom Elovi Spruce wrote:
> 2. Creating a free web publishing platform for everyone. This way, you can
> convince people to be part of the opennet and get more nodes. Maybe this
> will lead to having the opennet "feel" just as responsive as the typical
> client-server platform of HTTP (I'm likely wrong on this; you guys know
> better). 

This sounds very nice, and freenet already provides all utilities you need for 
that - except for some usability problems, and these are what a good designer 
can address very well.

For reactivity we currently are at a few minutes round-trip-time with Sone, 
but that might improve.

You could have a look at pyFCP (pyFreenet)? for standalone programs. If you 
want the programs to be distributed with freenet, you should instead create a 
plugin and use Java.

?: https://github.com/freenet/lib-pyFreenet-staging

Best wishes, 
Arne
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[freenet-dev] Greetings Freenet Devs

[Volodya]

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On 05/30/2011 08:29 AM, Tom Elovi Spruce wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm a CS student who is more into design and art than I am with technical
> implementation.  (However, I can't help but get obsessed with technical 
> details
> when the project asks for it.)
> 
> Anyways, I've talked with sanity on reddit and it seems you need some UI
> contributors: 
> http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/ehep2/why_do_wikileaks_supporters_propose_designing/c1wm4y5
> 
> Now let me make something clear, my interest in this project is to work off 
> what
> you guys are doing and create an application that serves a utility to the
> general public. I want to create utilities in order to aid you guys in the
> deployment of a censorship-free publishing platform that you strive to create.
> Pretty much, I'm more into the non-political aspects of your project, but I 
> see
> no harm in helping your free-speech endeavors. (it's not like the Chinese
> government is going to hunt me down, right? right!?). Nonetheless, I would 
> like
> to see Freenet grow in popularity in the same light as bitcoin and 
> bittorrent. 
> 
> Moving on, I see two utilities with Freenet: 
> 
> 1. Utilizing a darknet for creating an internet among friends. I see this as a
> stepping stone for getting people started with the opennet. People love to 
> share
> files among their friends, what Freenet can offer is an easy-to-use and robust
> sharing platform. 

I think you are a little confused how it works here. OpenNet is a stepping stone
for having enough people use Freenet, the *goal* is to allow people to switch to
DarkNet. If you can get the people to use Freenet in DarkNet right away, you
will be doing a great service to the community.

> 2. Creating a free web publishing platform for everyone. This way, you can
> convince people to be part of the opennet and get more nodes. Maybe this will
> lead to having the opennet "feel" just as responsive as the typical
> client-server platform of HTTP (I'm likely wrong on this; you guys know 
> better).
> In fact, this is what got me hooked on Freenet. This idea that you have all
> these computers on the internet, why can't you utilize them to host files
> instead of a client-server model? The hurdle I see with this is convincing
> people that the information they will store on their computer will not harm 
> them
> or make them liable for the content they host for others. 
> 
> Now I will be busy this summer, I have plenty of responsibilities to address 
> to.
> The best I can do as of now is to keep studying your current infrastructure 
> and,
> on my free time, create and share mockups to receive some feedback from 
> y'all. 
> 
> Looking forward to...well whatever happens by the time it gets dark: 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUvyUWhpRJY
> 
> [insert valediction],
> i?computers
> 
> 
> 
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[freenet-dev] Greetings Freenet Devs

[Luke R.]

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Hello,
Welcome to the freenet-dev list! I myself am "not" a developer, but I am 
working a bit on the UI (or at least trying to). I've made some icons in 
Inkscape (.svg) for the interface. Trouble is, I'm not a CSS guru. We 
definitely could use some help on that. The entire interface should have a 
theme that is more user-friendly. If you join #freenet IRC channel you can 
discuss that with us.

Regarding file sharing, FreeNet isn't exactly cut-out for big uploads and 
downloads. All though it can, it just takes forever. As an example you can 
checkout the "Legal Downloads" flog on freenet, where linux distro are trying 
to be mirrored for testing. The devs have been working on the speed problems 
for years. You can see the flog posts "Scream if you Wanna go Faster Parts 1-3" 
once you join freenet. It's pretty technical...

See you around. :)
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--- On Mon, 5/30/11, Tom Elovi Spruce  wrote:

From: Tom Elovi Spruce <i.love.comput...@gmail.com>
Subject: [freenet-dev] Greetings Freenet Devs
To: devl at freenetproject.org
Date: Monday, May 30, 2011, 12:29 AM

Hi all,
I'm a CS student who is more into design and art than I am with technical 
implementation. ?(However, I can't help but get obsessed with technical details 
when the project asks for it.)

Anyways, I've talked with sanity on reddit and it seems you need some UI 
contributors:?http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/ehep2/why_do_wikileaks_supporters_propose_designing/c1wm4y5
Now let me make something clear, my interest in this project is to work off 
what you guys are doing and create an application that serves a utility to the 
general public. I want to create utilities in order to aid you guys in the 
deployment of a censorship-free publishing platform that you strive to create. 
Pretty much, I'm more into the non-political aspects of your project, but I see 
no harm in helping your free-speech endeavors. (it's not like the Chinese 
government is going to hunt me down, right? right!?). Nonetheless, I would like 
to see Freenet grow in popularity in the same light as bitcoin and bittorrent.?
Moving on, I see two utilities with Freenet:?
1. Utilizing a darknet for creating an internet among friends. I see this as a 
stepping stone for getting people started with the opennet. People love to 
share files among their friends, what Freenet can offer is an easy-to-use and 
robust sharing platform.?
2. Creating a free web publishing platform for everyone. This way, you can 
convince people to be part of the opennet and get more nodes. Maybe this will 
lead to having the opennet "feel" just as responsive as the typical 
client-server platform of HTTP (I'm?likely?wrong on this; you guys know 
better). In fact, this is what got me hooked on Freenet. This idea that you 
have all these computers on the internet, why can't you utilize them to host 
files instead of a client-server model? The hurdle I see with this is 
convincing people that the information they will store on their computer will 
not harm them or make them liable for the content they host for others.?
Now I will be busy this summer, I have plenty of responsibilities to address 
to. The best I can do as of now is to keep studying your current infrastructure 
and, on my free time,?create and share mockups to receive some feedback from 
y'all.?
Looking forward to...well whatever happens by the time it gets 
dark:?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUvyUWhpRJY
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[Arne Babenhauserheide]

On Sunday 29 May 2011 21:29:22 Tom Elovi Spruce wrote:
 2. Creating a free web publishing platform for everyone. This way, you can
 convince people to be part of the opennet and get more nodes. Maybe this
 will lead to having the opennet feel just as responsive as the typical
 client-server platform of HTTP (I'm likely wrong on this; you guys know
 better).

This sounds very nice, and freenet already provides all utilities you need for
that - except for some usability problems, and these are what a good designer
can address very well.

For reactivity we currently are at a few minutes round-trip-time with Sone,
but that might improve.

You could have a look at pyFCP (pyFreenet)¹ for standalone programs. If you
want the programs to be distributed with freenet, you should instead create a
plugin and use Java.

¹: https://github.com/freenet/lib-pyFreenet-staging

Best wishes,
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[Luke R.]

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Hello,
Welcome to the freenet-dev list! I myself am not a developer, but I am 
working a bit on the UI (or at least trying to). I've made some icons in 
Inkscape (.svg) for the interface. Trouble is, I'm not a CSS guru. We 
definitely could use some help on that. The entire interface should have a 
theme that is more user-friendly. If you join #freenet IRC channel you can 
discuss that with us.

Regarding file sharing, FreeNet isn't exactly cut-out for big uploads and 
downloads. All though it can, it just takes forever. As an example you can 
checkout the Legal Downloads flog on freenet, where linux distro are trying 
to be mirrored for testing. The devs have been working on the speed problems 
for years. You can see the flog posts Scream if you Wanna go Faster Parts 1-3 
once you join freenet. It's pretty technical...

See you around. :)
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From: Tom Elovi Spruce i.love.comput...@gmail.com
Subject: [freenet-dev] Greetings Freenet Devs
To: devl@freenetproject.org
Date: Monday, May 30, 2011, 12:29 AM

Hi all,
I'm a CS student who is more into design and art than I am with technical 
implementation.  (However, I can't help but get obsessed with technical details 
when the project asks for it.)

Anyways, I've talked with sanity on reddit and it seems you need some UI 
contributors: http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/ehep2/why_do_wikileaks_supporters_propose_designing/c1wm4y5
Now let me make something clear, my interest in this project is to work off 
what you guys are doing and create an application that serves a utility to the 
general public. I want to create utilities in order to aid you guys in the 
deployment of a censorship-free publishing platform that you strive to create. 
Pretty much, I'm more into the non-political aspects of your project, but I see 
no harm in helping your free-speech endeavors. (it's not like the Chinese 
government is going to hunt me down, right? right!?). Nonetheless, I would like 
to see Freenet grow in popularity in the same light as bitcoin and bittorrent. 
Moving on, I see two utilities with Freenet: 
1. Utilizing a darknet for creating an internet among friends. I see this as a 
stepping stone for getting people started with the opennet. People love to 
share files among their friends, what Freenet can offer is an easy-to-use and 
robust sharing platform. 
2. Creating a free web publishing platform for everyone. This way, you can 
convince people to be part of the opennet and get more nodes. Maybe this will 
lead to having the opennet feel just as responsive as the typical 
client-server platform of HTTP (I'm likely wrong on this; you guys know 
better). In fact, this is what got me hooked on Freenet. This idea that you 
have all these computers on the internet, why can't you utilize them to host 
files instead of a client-server model? The hurdle I see with this is 
convincing people that the information they will store on their computer will 
not harm them or make them liable for the content they host for others. 
Now I will be busy this summer, I have plenty of responsibilities to address 
to. The best I can do as of now is to keep studying your current infrastructure 
and, on my free time, create and share mockups to receive some feedback from 
y'all. 
Looking forward to...well whatever happens by the time it gets 
dark: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUvyUWhpRJY
[insert valediction],i❤computers




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[freenet-dev] Greetings Freenet Devs

[Tom Elovi Spruce]

Hi all,

I'm a CS student who is more into design and art than I am with technical 
implementation.  (However, I can't help but get obsessed with technical details 
when the project asks for it.)

Anyways, I've talked with sanity on reddit and it seems you need some UI 
contributors: 
http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/ehep2/why_do_wikileaks_supporters_propose_designing/c1wm4y5

Now let me make something clear, my interest in this project is to work off 
what you guys are doing and create an application that serves a utility to the 
general public. I want to create utilities in order to aid you guys in the 
deployment of a censorship-free publishing platform that you strive to create. 
Pretty much, I'm more into the non-political aspects of your project, but I see 
no harm in helping your free-speech endeavors. (it's not like the Chinese 
government is going to hunt me down, right? right!?). Nonetheless, I would like 
to see Freenet grow in popularity in the same light as bitcoin and bittorrent. 

Moving on, I see two utilities with Freenet: 

1. Utilizing a darknet for creating an internet among friends. I see this as a 
stepping stone for getting people started with the opennet. People love to 
share files among their friends, what Freenet can offer is an easy-to-use and 
robust sharing platform. 

2. Creating a free web publishing platform for everyone. This way, you can 
convince people to be part of the opennet and get more nodes. Maybe this will 
lead to having the opennet "feel" just as responsive as the typical 
client-server platform of HTTP (I'm likely wrong on this; you guys know 
better). In fact, this is what got me hooked on Freenet. This idea that you 
have all these computers on the internet, why can't you utilize them to host 
files instead of a client-server model? The hurdle I see with this is 
convincing people that the information they will store on their computer will 
not harm them or make them liable for the content they host for others. 

Now I will be busy this summer, I have plenty of responsibilities to address 
to. The best I can do as of now is to keep studying your current infrastructure 
and, on my free time, create and share mockups to receive some feedback from 
y'all. 

Looking forward to...well whatever happens by the time it gets dark: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUvyUWhpRJY

[insert valediction],
i?computers

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[Volodya]

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On 05/30/2011 08:29 AM, Tom Elovi Spruce wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 I'm a CS student who is more into design and art than I am with technical
 implementation.  (However, I can't help but get obsessed with technical 
 details
 when the project asks for it.)
 
 Anyways, I've talked with sanity on reddit and it seems you need some UI
 contributors: 
 http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/ehep2/why_do_wikileaks_supporters_propose_designing/c1wm4y5
 
 Now let me make something clear, my interest in this project is to work off 
 what
 you guys are doing and create an application that serves a utility to the
 general public. I want to create utilities in order to aid you guys in the
 deployment of a censorship-free publishing platform that you strive to create.
 Pretty much, I'm more into the non-political aspects of your project, but I 
 see
 no harm in helping your free-speech endeavors. (it's not like the Chinese
 government is going to hunt me down, right? right!?). Nonetheless, I would 
 like
 to see Freenet grow in popularity in the same light as bitcoin and 
 bittorrent. 
 
 Moving on, I see two utilities with Freenet: 
 
 1. Utilizing a darknet for creating an internet among friends. I see this as a
 stepping stone for getting people started with the opennet. People love to 
 share
 files among their friends, what Freenet can offer is an easy-to-use and robust
 sharing platform. 

I think you are a little confused how it works here. OpenNet is a stepping stone
for having enough people use Freenet, the *goal* is to allow people to switch to
DarkNet. If you can get the people to use Freenet in DarkNet right away, you
will be doing a great service to the community.

 2. Creating a free web publishing platform for everyone. This way, you can
 convince people to be part of the opennet and get more nodes. Maybe this will
 lead to having the opennet feel just as responsive as the typical
 client-server platform of HTTP (I'm likely wrong on this; you guys know 
 better).
 In fact, this is what got me hooked on Freenet. This idea that you have all
 these computers on the internet, why can't you utilize them to host files
 instead of a client-server model? The hurdle I see with this is convincing
 people that the information they will store on their computer will not harm 
 them
 or make them liable for the content they host for others. 
 
 Now I will be busy this summer, I have plenty of responsibilities to address 
 to.
 The best I can do as of now is to keep studying your current infrastructure 
 and,
 on my free time, create and share mockups to receive some feedback from 
 y'all. 
 
 Looking forward to...well whatever happens by the time it gets dark: 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUvyUWhpRJY
 
 [insert valediction],
 i❤computers
 
 
 
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