[freenet-dev] New server, current status of services

[Matthew Toseland]

On Sunday 31 January 2010 18:21:58 Arne Babenhauserheide wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 26. Januar 2010 21:34:47 schrieb Cl?ment Vollet:
> > last one is six months old); and by news, I don't mean a news about a
> > switch of server like I suggested above, but news about the life of the
> > project (development, new plugins, tech stuff, etc.). Maybe the users
> > won't understand all of that, but that's ok, it means the project is still
> > alive (and don't expect users to read the ml ;).
> 
> Maybe you could do something like the Month of the Hurd, I write for the Hurd 
> project: 
> 
> - http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/news.html
> 
> Its quite painless (about 1 to 2 hours per month) and doesn't require superb 
> writing skills or similar, since I can just use a template I wrote to not 
> have 
> to think about structure every month: 
> 
> A month of the Hurd: **, ** and **.
> 
> > This month ?
> >
> > Also ?
> >
> > Mainly thanks to ?
> >
> > Additionally ?
> >
> > And ?
> >
> 
> Since then, the Hurd seems to slowly shed its image of "never being 
> finished". 
> My principle on what I write in the news is 
> 
> - ?This is what we accomplished this month? and 
> - ?only write about stuff people can check (for example in a code repository) 
> - 
> and provide a link?. 
> 
> I hope this idea helps getting ?a month of freenet? or similar going. 

A monthly status report is definitely a good idea. Of course we (mostly I) have 
sent status reports, but the last one was some time back. When urgent issues 
are resolved I should send another one.
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Re: [freenet-dev] New server, current status of services

[Matthew Toseland]

On Sunday 31 January 2010 18:21:58 Arne Babenhauserheide wrote:
 Am Dienstag, 26. Januar 2010 21:34:47 schrieb Clément Vollet:
  last one is six months old); and by news, I don't mean a news about a
  switch of server like I suggested above, but news about the life of the
  project (development, new plugins, tech stuff, etc.). Maybe the users
  won't understand all of that, but that's ok, it means the project is still
  alive (and don't expect users to read the ml ;).
 
 Maybe you could do something like the Month of the Hurd, I write for the Hurd 
 project: 
 
 - http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/news.html
 
 Its quite painless (about 1 to 2 hours per month) and doesn't require superb 
 writing skills or similar, since I can just use a template I wrote to not 
 have 
 to think about structure every month: 
 
 A month of the Hurd: **, ** and **.
 
  This month …
 
  Also …
 
  Mainly thanks to …
 
  Additionally …
 
  And …
 
 
 Since then, the Hurd seems to slowly shed its image of never being 
 finished. 
 My principle on what I write in the news is 
 
 - “This is what we accomplished this month” and 
 - “only write about stuff people can check (for example in a code repository) 
 - 
 and provide a link”. 
 
 I hope this idea helps getting “a month of freenet” or similar going. 

A monthly status report is definitely a good idea. Of course we (mostly I) have 
sent status reports, but the last one was some time back. When urgent issues 
are resolved I should send another one.


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[freenet-dev] New server, current status of services

[Arne Babenhauserheide]

Am Dienstag, 26. Januar 2010 21:34:47 schrieb Cl?ment Vollet:
> last one is six months old); and by news, I don't mean a news about a
> switch of server like I suggested above, but news about the life of the
> project (development, new plugins, tech stuff, etc.). Maybe the users
> won't understand all of that, but that's ok, it means the project is still
> alive (and don't expect users to read the ml ;).

Maybe you could do something like the Month of the Hurd, I write for the Hurd 
project: 

- http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/news.html

Its quite painless (about 1 to 2 hours per month) and doesn't require superb 
writing skills or similar, since I can just use a template I wrote to not have 
to think about structure every month: 

A month of the Hurd: **, ** and **.

> This month ?
>
> Also ?
>
> Mainly thanks to ?
>
> Additionally ?
>
> And ?
>

Since then, the Hurd seems to slowly shed its image of "never being finished". 
My principle on what I write in the news is 

- ?This is what we accomplished this month? and 
- ?only write about stuff people can check (for example in a code repository) - 
and provide a link?. 

I hope this idea helps getting ?a month of freenet? or similar going. 

Best wishes, 
Arne

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Re: [freenet-dev] New server, current status of services

[Arne Babenhauserheide]

Am Dienstag, 26. Januar 2010 21:34:47 schrieb Clément Vollet:
 last one is six months old); and by news, I don't mean a news about a
 switch of server like I suggested above, but news about the life of the
 project (development, new plugins, tech stuff, etc.). Maybe the users
 won't understand all of that, but that's ok, it means the project is still
 alive (and don't expect users to read the ml ;).

Maybe you could do something like the Month of the Hurd, I write for the Hurd 
project: 

- http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/news.html

Its quite painless (about 1 to 2 hours per month) and doesn't require superb 
writing skills or similar, since I can just use a template I wrote to not have 
to think about structure every month: 

A month of the Hurd: **, ** and **.

 This month …

 Also …

 Mainly thanks to …

 Additionally …

 And …


Since then, the Hurd seems to slowly shed its image of never being finished. 
My principle on what I write in the news is 

- “This is what we accomplished this month” and 
- “only write about stuff people can check (for example in a code repository) - 
and provide a link”. 

I hope this idea helps getting “a month of freenet” or similar going. 

Best wishes, 
Arne

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[freenet-dev] New server, current status of services

[Matthew Toseland]

On Tuesday 26 January 2010 23:10:59 Ian Clarke wrote:
> 2010/1/26 Cl?ment Vollet :
> > If I understand well, this means users can't download freenet right now?
> > Maybe you should fill a news about that, that's what it's for ;)
> 
> No, downloads should be ok.
> 
> > And, btw, I think we should use the news more often, I feel a project is 
> > dead
> > or nearly dead when there hasn't been any news for a while (and the last one
> > is six months old); and by news, I don't mean a news about a switch of 
> > server
> > like I suggested above, but news about the life of the project (development,
> > new plugins, tech stuff, etc.). Maybe the users won't understand all of 
> > that,
> > but that's ok, it means the project is still alive (and don't expect users 
> > to
> > read the ml ;).
> 
> I agree.  Any volunteers to talk about something interesting?  We did
> talk about someone writing an article about the upcoming "FreeTalk"
> plugin (which will be called simply "Forums" in the UI).
> 
> > Oh, and I don't know where we are (well, where Ian's girlfriend (wife?) is),
> > but I think we should also include some news system in the Freenet UI as 
> > well
> > (but that's another topic).
> 
> Yes, Janie's plan is to place some news items from a FreeTalk
> announcements group on the front page of Freenet.

There are security reasons to go with something simpler/safer. For example we 
could adapt the auto-update system like we've adapted it for plugins. It is 
*ESSENTIAL* that revocations be checked for before text is displayed, as 
otherwise the text might induce the user to do something unwise. The principle 
is good though...
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[freenet-dev] New server, current status of services

[alex]

Cl?ment Vollet wrote:

> Le Mardi 26 Janvier 2010 19:36:47, Matthew Toseland a ?crit :
>> Apologies for recent downtime. This was caused by me trying to update
>> software on emu and breaking the whole (rather complex) setup. We have
>> obtained a new vserver, which will be much cheaper, simpler and easier to
>> maintain. We are still in the process of getting services working on the
>> new server. Currently email lists, email redirects, and the main website,
>> work. The rest doesn't. Thank you for your patience!
> 
> If I understand well, this means users can't download freenet right now?
> Maybe you should fill a news about that, that's what it's for ;)
> 
> And, btw, I think we should use the news more often, I feel a project is
> dead or nearly dead when there hasn't been any news for a while (and the
> last one is six months old); and by news, I don't mean a news about a
> switch of server like I suggested above, but news about the life of the
> project (development, new plugins, tech stuff, etc.). Maybe the users
> won't understand all of that, but that's ok, it means the project is still
> alive (and don't expect users to read the ml ;).

I suggested this in my typically much more convoluted prose not long ago, in 
the chat mailing list :)

> 
> Oh, and I don't know where we are (well, where Ian's girlfriend (wife?)
> is), but I think we should also include some news system in the Freenet UI
> as well (but that's another topic).

Re: [freenet-dev] New server, current status of services

[alex]

Clément Vollet wrote:

 Le Mardi 26 Janvier 2010 19:36:47, Matthew Toseland a écrit :
 Apologies for recent downtime. This was caused by me trying to update
 software on emu and breaking the whole (rather complex) setup. We have
 obtained a new vserver, which will be much cheaper, simpler and easier to
 maintain. We are still in the process of getting services working on the
 new server. Currently email lists, email redirects, and the main website,
 work. The rest doesn't. Thank you for your patience!
 
 If I understand well, this means users can't download freenet right now?
 Maybe you should fill a news about that, that's what it's for ;)
 
 And, btw, I think we should use the news more often, I feel a project is
 dead or nearly dead when there hasn't been any news for a while (and the
 last one is six months old); and by news, I don't mean a news about a
 switch of server like I suggested above, but news about the life of the
 project (development, new plugins, tech stuff, etc.). Maybe the users
 won't understand all of that, but that's ok, it means the project is still
 alive (and don't expect users to read the ml ;).

I suggested this in my typically much more convoluted prose not long ago, in 
the chat mailing list :)

 
 Oh, and I don't know where we are (well, where Ian's girlfriend (wife?)
 is), but I think we should also include some news system in the Freenet UI
 as well (but that's another topic).


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Re: [freenet-dev] New server, current status of services

[Matthew Toseland]

On Tuesday 26 January 2010 23:10:59 Ian Clarke wrote:
 2010/1/26 Clément Vollet cvol...@gmail.com:
  If I understand well, this means users can't download freenet right now?
  Maybe you should fill a news about that, that's what it's for ;)
 
 No, downloads should be ok.
 
  And, btw, I think we should use the news more often, I feel a project is 
  dead
  or nearly dead when there hasn't been any news for a while (and the last one
  is six months old); and by news, I don't mean a news about a switch of 
  server
  like I suggested above, but news about the life of the project (development,
  new plugins, tech stuff, etc.). Maybe the users won't understand all of 
  that,
  but that's ok, it means the project is still alive (and don't expect users 
  to
  read the ml ;).
 
 I agree.  Any volunteers to talk about something interesting?  We did
 talk about someone writing an article about the upcoming FreeTalk
 plugin (which will be called simply Forums in the UI).
 
  Oh, and I don't know where we are (well, where Ian's girlfriend (wife?) is),
  but I think we should also include some news system in the Freenet UI as 
  well
  (but that's another topic).
 
 Yes, Janie's plan is to place some news items from a FreeTalk
 announcements group on the front page of Freenet.

There are security reasons to go with something simpler/safer. For example we 
could adapt the auto-update system like we've adapted it for plugins. It is 
*ESSENTIAL* that revocations be checked for before text is displayed, as 
otherwise the text might induce the user to do something unwise. The principle 
is good though...


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[freenet-dev] New server, current status of services

[Clément Vollet]

Le Mardi 26 Janvier 2010 19:36:47, Matthew Toseland a ?crit :
> Apologies for recent downtime. This was caused by me trying to update
> software on emu and breaking the whole (rather complex) setup. We have
> obtained a new vserver, which will be much cheaper, simpler and easier to
> maintain. We are still in the process of getting services working on the
> new server. Currently email lists, email redirects, and the main website,
> work. The rest doesn't. Thank you for your patience!

If I understand well, this means users can't download freenet right now?
Maybe you should fill a news about that, that's what it's for ;)

And, btw, I think we should use the news more often, I feel a project is dead 
or nearly dead when there hasn't been any news for a while (and the last one 
is six months old); and by news, I don't mean a news about a switch of server 
like I suggested above, but news about the life of the project (development, 
new plugins, tech stuff, etc.). Maybe the users won't understand all of that, 
but that's ok, it means the project is still alive (and don't expect users to 
read the ml ;).

Oh, and I don't know where we are (well, where Ian's girlfriend (wife?) is), 
but I think we should also include some news system in the Freenet UI as well 
(but that's another topic).

[freenet-dev] New server, current status of services

[Matthew Toseland]

Apologies for recent downtime. This was caused by me trying to update software 
on emu and breaking the whole (rather complex) setup. We have obtained a new 
vserver, which will be much cheaper, simpler and easier to maintain. We are 
still in the process of getting services working on the new server. Currently 
email lists, email redirects, and the main website, work. The rest doesn't. 
Thank you for your patience!
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[Ian Clarke]

2010/1/26 Cl?ment Vollet :
> If I understand well, this means users can't download freenet right now?
> Maybe you should fill a news about that, that's what it's for ;)

No, downloads should be ok.

> And, btw, I think we should use the news more often, I feel a project is dead
> or nearly dead when there hasn't been any news for a while (and the last one
> is six months old); and by news, I don't mean a news about a switch of server
> like I suggested above, but news about the life of the project (development,
> new plugins, tech stuff, etc.). Maybe the users won't understand all of that,
> but that's ok, it means the project is still alive (and don't expect users to
> read the ml ;).

I agree.  Any volunteers to talk about something interesting?  We did
talk about someone writing an article about the upcoming "FreeTalk"
plugin (which will be called simply "Forums" in the UI).

> Oh, and I don't know where we are (well, where Ian's girlfriend (wife?) is),
> but I think we should also include some news system in the Freenet UI as well
> (but that's another topic).

Yes, Janie's plan is to place some news items from a FreeTalk
announcements group on the front page of Freenet.

Ian.

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CEO, SenseArray
Email: ian at sensearray.com
Ph: +1 512 422 3588

[freenet-dev] New server, current status of services

[Matthew Toseland]

Apologies for recent downtime. This was caused by me trying to update software 
on emu and breaking the whole (rather complex) setup. We have obtained a new 
vserver, which will be much cheaper, simpler and easier to maintain. We are 
still in the process of getting services working on the new server. Currently 
email lists, email redirects, and the main website, work. The rest doesn't. 
Thank you for your patience!


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Re: [freenet-dev] New server, current status of services

[Clément Vollet]

Le Mardi 26 Janvier 2010 19:36:47, Matthew Toseland a écrit :
 Apologies for recent downtime. This was caused by me trying to update
 software on emu and breaking the whole (rather complex) setup. We have
 obtained a new vserver, which will be much cheaper, simpler and easier to
 maintain. We are still in the process of getting services working on the
 new server. Currently email lists, email redirects, and the main website,
 work. The rest doesn't. Thank you for your patience!

If I understand well, this means users can't download freenet right now?
Maybe you should fill a news about that, that's what it's for ;)

And, btw, I think we should use the news more often, I feel a project is dead 
or nearly dead when there hasn't been any news for a while (and the last one 
is six months old); and by news, I don't mean a news about a switch of server 
like I suggested above, but news about the life of the project (development, 
new plugins, tech stuff, etc.). Maybe the users won't understand all of that, 
but that's ok, it means the project is still alive (and don't expect users to 
read the ml ;).

Oh, and I don't know where we are (well, where Ian's girlfriend (wife?) is), 
but I think we should also include some news system in the Freenet UI as well 
(but that's another topic).
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Re: [freenet-dev] New server, current status of services

[Ian Clarke]

2010/1/26 Clément Vollet cvol...@gmail.com:
 If I understand well, this means users can't download freenet right now?
 Maybe you should fill a news about that, that's what it's for ;)

No, downloads should be ok.

 And, btw, I think we should use the news more often, I feel a project is dead
 or nearly dead when there hasn't been any news for a while (and the last one
 is six months old); and by news, I don't mean a news about a switch of server
 like I suggested above, but news about the life of the project (development,
 new plugins, tech stuff, etc.). Maybe the users won't understand all of that,
 but that's ok, it means the project is still alive (and don't expect users to
 read the ml ;).

I agree.  Any volunteers to talk about something interesting?  We did
talk about someone writing an article about the upcoming FreeTalk
plugin (which will be called simply Forums in the UI).

 Oh, and I don't know where we are (well, where Ian's girlfriend (wife?) is),
 but I think we should also include some news system in the Freenet UI as well
 (but that's another topic).

Yes, Janie's plan is to place some news items from a FreeTalk
announcements group on the front page of Freenet.

Ian.

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CEO, SenseArray
Email: i...@sensearray.com
Ph: +1 512 422 3588
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