Re: [freenet-dev] Status of web redesign?

[Ian Clarke]

Great Dan!  Could you get it up somewhere to get feedback, and perhaps a Google
Doc or something similar for people to report any issues?
 





On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 9:38 AM, Dan Roberts ademan...@gmail.com
wrote:
The front page is working, with a small number of known issues that I think have
solutions for. The content pages (about,  download) need a bit more work. I'll
try to get the current state into github during the week, I expect at least one
more revision after that.
Thanks,Dan
On Jan 3, 2017 8:45 PM, "Dan Roberts"  wrote:
Hey Ian,    I didn't end up with as much time as I'd hoped/expected, but one of
my experiments is promising. I'm working on turning it into a first (pelican)
iteration of the site. I'd like to have it ready Saturday to polish over this
coming weekend.
Thanks,Dan
On Jan 2, 2017 8:19 AM, "Ian Clarke"  wrote:
Thanks Dan, were you able to make the progressed you had hoped for?
Ian Clarke
Founder, The Freenet Project
Email: i...@freenetproject.org

 





On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 4:34 PM, Dan Roberts ademan...@gmail.com
wrote:
Unfortunately I didn't find much time between work and three different sets of
family, but I believe I can carve out time this weekend. I expect a very low key
new years. I have a prospective solution to my biggest pelican concern that I'm
very happy with, I'll try to update again this weekend.
Thanks,Dan
On Dec 25, 2016 3:24 PM, "Ian Clarke"  wrote:
Thanks for the update Dan, merry xmas.
Ian Clarke
Founder, The Freenet Project
Email: i...@freenetproject.org

 





On Sun, Dec 25, 2016 5:02 PM, Dan Roberts ademan...@gmail.com
wrote:
I'm trying to find some time to fully exercise the parts of pelican we need. I
still have some concerns and issues I ran into last weekend in my initial
exploration, but I'm hopeful they're not showstoppers.
Thanks,Dan
On Dec 23, 2016 11:34 AM, "Ian Clarke"  wrote:
Hey guys, this conversation seems to have died.
Florent/Dan, are you guys on the same page about how we should proceed?
Ian.
Ian Clarke
Founder, The Freenet Project
Email: i...@freenetproject.org

 





On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 5:09 PM, Ian Clarke i...@freenetproject.org
wrote:
On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 4:18 PM, Florent Daigniere nextg...@freenetproject.org
wrote:
On Sat, 2016-12-17 at 10:44 -0800, Dan Roberts wrote:

> It is my impression that retaining our transifex translations is a

> requirement.




I don't think so (we are supposed to re-write/de-clutter the content!);




I agree, I the content on the main website must be simplified dramatically
relative to what we have now, focussing on the needs of those interested in
downloading and using Freenet, and donating to the project.  This is a commonly
used approach for consumer-facing open source software (eg. 
https://getfirefox.com/), and I think we should emulate it.
"Deeper" content, more relevant to researchers, or developers, should be
migrated to a separate wiki (perhaps hosted on Github) - although as an interim
measure we can keep the old site around on a different URL.  Of course we will
provide links to it where appropriate from the main site so it is findable.
The perfect shouldn't be the enemy of the good.  My inclination is to get the
new site up ASAP, translations and content can catch up (and will be much easier
with a simplified website).  I think with a website that looks really good it
will also be a good motivator for people to contribute to improve it.
From a devops perspective, I think an ideal situation would be to have a limited
number of people that can merge pull-requests for the site (but not so limited
that it proves to be a bottleneck), and then a merge to master results in an
automatic roll-out of the improved site.
Ian.
Ian Clarke
Founder, The Freenet Project
Email: i...@freenetproject.org

 

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Email: i...@freenetproject.org
 

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Re: [freenet-dev] Status of web redesign?

[Dan Roberts]

The front page is working, with a small number of known issues that I think
have solutions for. The content pages (about,  download) need a bit more
work. I'll try to get the current state into github during the week, I
expect at least one more revision after that.

Thanks,
Dan

On Jan 3, 2017 8:45 PM, "Dan Roberts"  wrote:

> Hey Ian,
> I didn't end up with as much time as I'd hoped/expected, but one of my
> experiments is promising. I'm working on turning it into a first (pelican)
> iteration of the site. I'd like to have it ready Saturday to polish over
> this coming weekend.
>
> Thanks,
> Dan
>
> On Jan 2, 2017 8:19 AM, "Ian Clarke"  wrote:
>
>> Thanks Dan, were you able to make the progressed you had hoped for?
>>
>> Ian Clarke
>> Founder, The Freenet Project
>> Email: i...@freenetproject.org
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 4:34 PM, Dan Roberts ademan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Unfortunately I didn't find much time between work and three different
>>> sets of family, but I believe I can carve out time this weekend. I expect a
>>> very low key new years. I have a prospective solution to my biggest pelican
>>> concern that I'm very happy with, I'll try to update again this weekend.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Dan
>>>
>>> On Dec 25, 2016 3:24 PM, "Ian Clarke"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for the update Dan, merry xmas.
>>>
>>> Ian Clarke
>>> Founder, The Freenet Project
>>> Email: i...@freenetproject.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 25, 2016 5:02 PM, Dan Roberts ademan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm trying to find some time to fully exercise the parts of pelican we
>>> need. I still have some concerns and issues I ran into last weekend in my
>>> initial exploration, but I'm hopeful they're not showstoppers.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Dan
>>>
>>> On Dec 23, 2016 11:34 AM, "Ian Clarke"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey guys, this conversation seems to have died.
>>>
>>> Florent/Dan, are you guys on the same page about how we should proceed?
>>>
>>> Ian.
>>>
>>> Ian Clarke
>>> Founder, The Freenet Project
>>> Email: i...@freenetproject.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 5:09 PM, Ian Clarke i...@freenetproject.org wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 4:18 PM, Florent Daigniere
>>> nextg...@freenetproject.org wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sat, 2016-12-17 at 10:44 -0800, Dan Roberts wrote:
>>>
>>> > It is my impression that retaining our transifex translations is a
>>>
>>> > requirement.
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't think so (we are supposed to re-write/de-clutter the content!);
>>>
>>>
>>> I agree, I the content on the main website must be simplified
>>> dramatically relative to what we have now, focussing on the needs of those
>>> interested in downloading and using Freenet, and donating to the project.
>>> This is a commonly used approach for consumer-facing open source software
>>> (eg. https://getfirefox.com/), and I think we should emulate it.
>>>
>>> "Deeper" content, more relevant to researchers, or developers, should be
>>> migrated to a separate wiki (perhaps hosted on Github) - although as an
>>> interim measure we can keep the old site around on a different URL.  Of
>>> course we will provide links to it where appropriate from the main site so
>>> it is findable.
>>>
>>> The perfect shouldn't be the enemy of the good.  My inclination is to
>>> get the new site up ASAP, translations and content can catch up (and will
>>> be much easier with a simplified website).  I think with a website that
>>> looks really good it will also be a good motivator for people to contribute
>>> to improve it.
>>>
>>> From a devops perspective, I think an ideal situation would be to have a
>>> limited number of people that can merge pull-requests for the site (but not
>>> so limited that it proves to be a bottleneck), and then a merge to master
>>> results in an automatic roll-out of the improved site.
>>>
>>> Ian.
>>>
>>> Ian Clarke
>>> Founder, The Freenet Project
>>> Email: i...@freenetproject.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ian Clarke
>>> Founder, The Freenet Project
>>> Email: i...@freenetproject.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ian Clarke
>>> Founder, The Freenet Project
>>> Email: i...@freenetproject.org
>>>
>>>
>>
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>>
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Re: [freenet-dev] Status of web redesign?

[Dan Roberts]

Hey Ian,
I didn't end up with as much time as I'd hoped/expected, but one of my
experiments is promising. I'm working on turning it into a first (pelican)
iteration of the site. I'd like to have it ready Saturday to polish over
this coming weekend.

Thanks,
Dan

On Jan 2, 2017 8:19 AM, "Ian Clarke"  wrote:

> Thanks Dan, were you able to make the progressed you had hoped for?
>
> Ian Clarke
> Founder, The Freenet Project
> Email: i...@freenetproject.org
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 4:34 PM, Dan Roberts ademan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately I didn't find much time between work and three different
>> sets of family, but I believe I can carve out time this weekend. I expect a
>> very low key new years. I have a prospective solution to my biggest pelican
>> concern that I'm very happy with, I'll try to update again this weekend.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dan
>>
>> On Dec 25, 2016 3:24 PM, "Ian Clarke"  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the update Dan, merry xmas.
>>
>> Ian Clarke
>> Founder, The Freenet Project
>> Email: i...@freenetproject.org
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 25, 2016 5:02 PM, Dan Roberts ademan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> I'm trying to find some time to fully exercise the parts of pelican we
>> need. I still have some concerns and issues I ran into last weekend in my
>> initial exploration, but I'm hopeful they're not showstoppers.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dan
>>
>> On Dec 23, 2016 11:34 AM, "Ian Clarke"  wrote:
>>
>> Hey guys, this conversation seems to have died.
>>
>> Florent/Dan, are you guys on the same page about how we should proceed?
>>
>> Ian.
>>
>> Ian Clarke
>> Founder, The Freenet Project
>> Email: i...@freenetproject.org
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 5:09 PM, Ian Clarke i...@freenetproject.org wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 4:18 PM, Florent Daigniere
>> nextg...@freenetproject.org wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 2016-12-17 at 10:44 -0800, Dan Roberts wrote:
>>
>> > It is my impression that retaining our transifex translations is a
>>
>> > requirement.
>>
>>
>> I don't think so (we are supposed to re-write/de-clutter the content!);
>>
>>
>> I agree, I the content on the main website must be simplified
>> dramatically relative to what we have now, focussing on the needs of those
>> interested in downloading and using Freenet, and donating to the project.
>> This is a commonly used approach for consumer-facing open source software
>> (eg. https://getfirefox.com/), and I think we should emulate it.
>>
>> "Deeper" content, more relevant to researchers, or developers, should be
>> migrated to a separate wiki (perhaps hosted on Github) - although as an
>> interim measure we can keep the old site around on a different URL.  Of
>> course we will provide links to it where appropriate from the main site so
>> it is findable.
>>
>> The perfect shouldn't be the enemy of the good.  My inclination is to get
>> the new site up ASAP, translations and content can catch up (and will be
>> much easier with a simplified website).  I think with a website that looks
>> really good it will also be a good motivator for people to contribute to
>> improve it.
>>
>> From a devops perspective, I think an ideal situation would be to have a
>> limited number of people that can merge pull-requests for the site (but not
>> so limited that it proves to be a bottleneck), and then a merge to master
>> results in an automatic roll-out of the improved site.
>>
>> Ian.
>>
>> Ian Clarke
>> Founder, The Freenet Project
>> Email: i...@freenetproject.org
>>
>>
>>
>> Ian Clarke
>> Founder, The Freenet Project
>> Email: i...@freenetproject.org
>>
>>
>>
>> Ian Clarke
>> Founder, The Freenet Project
>> Email: i...@freenetproject.org
>>
>>
>
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Re: [freenet-dev] Status of web redesign?

[Ian Clarke]

Thanks Dan, were you able to make the progressed you had hoped for?
Ian Clarke
Founder, The Freenet Project
Email: i...@freenetproject.org
 





On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 4:34 PM, Dan Roberts ademan...@gmail.com
wrote:
Unfortunately I didn't find much time between work and three different sets of
family, but I believe I can carve out time this weekend. I expect a very low key
new years. I have a prospective solution to my biggest pelican concern that I'm
very happy with, I'll try to update again this weekend.
Thanks,Dan
On Dec 25, 2016 3:24 PM, "Ian Clarke"  wrote:
Thanks for the update Dan, merry xmas.
Ian Clarke
Founder, The Freenet Project
Email: i...@freenetproject.org

 





On Sun, Dec 25, 2016 5:02 PM, Dan Roberts ademan...@gmail.com
wrote:
I'm trying to find some time to fully exercise the parts of pelican we need. I
still have some concerns and issues I ran into last weekend in my initial
exploration, but I'm hopeful they're not showstoppers.
Thanks,Dan
On Dec 23, 2016 11:34 AM, "Ian Clarke"  wrote:
Hey guys, this conversation seems to have died.
Florent/Dan, are you guys on the same page about how we should proceed?
Ian.
Ian Clarke
Founder, The Freenet Project
Email: i...@freenetproject.org

 





On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 5:09 PM, Ian Clarke i...@freenetproject.org
wrote:
On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 4:18 PM, Florent Daigniere nextg...@freenetproject.org
wrote:
On Sat, 2016-12-17 at 10:44 -0800, Dan Roberts wrote:

> It is my impression that retaining our transifex translations is a

> requirement.




I don't think so (we are supposed to re-write/de-clutter the content!);




I agree, I the content on the main website must be simplified dramatically
relative to what we have now, focussing on the needs of those interested in
downloading and using Freenet, and donating to the project.  This is a commonly
used approach for consumer-facing open source software (eg. 
https://getfirefox.com/), and I think we should emulate it.
"Deeper" content, more relevant to researchers, or developers, should be
migrated to a separate wiki (perhaps hosted on Github) - although as an interim
measure we can keep the old site around on a different URL.  Of course we will
provide links to it where appropriate from the main site so it is findable.
The perfect shouldn't be the enemy of the good.  My inclination is to get the
new site up ASAP, translations and content can catch up (and will be much easier
with a simplified website).  I think with a website that looks really good it
will also be a good motivator for people to contribute to improve it.
From a devops perspective, I think an ideal situation would be to have a limited
number of people that can merge pull-requests for the site (but not so limited
that it proves to be a bottleneck), and then a merge to master results in an
automatic roll-out of the improved site.
Ian.
Ian Clarke
Founder, The Freenet Project
Email: i...@freenetproject.org

 

Ian Clarke
Founder, The Freenet Project
Email: i...@freenetproject.org
 

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Re: [freenet-dev] Status of web redesign?

[Steve Dougherty]

Thanks for the update!

On Fri, Dec 30, 2016, 5:34 PM Dan Roberts  wrote:

> Unfortunately I didn't find much time between work and three different sets
> of family, but I believe I can carve out time this weekend. I expect a very
> low key new years. I have a prospective solution to my biggest pelican
> concern that I'm very happy with, I'll try to update again this weekend.
>
> Thanks,
> Dan
>
> On Dec 25, 2016 3:24 PM, "Ian Clarke"  wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the update Dan, merry xmas.
> >
> > Ian Clarke
> > Founder, The Freenet Project
> > Email: i...@freenetproject.org
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 25, 2016 5:02 PM, Dan Roberts ademan...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >> I'm trying to find some time to fully exercise the parts of pelican we
> >> need. I still have some concerns and issues I ran into last weekend in
> my
> >> initial exploration, but I'm hopeful they're not showstoppers.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Dan
> >>
> >> On Dec 23, 2016 11:34 AM, "Ian Clarke"  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hey guys, this conversation seems to have died.
> >>
> >> Florent/Dan, are you guys on the same page about how we should proceed?
> >>
> >> Ian.
> >>
> >> Ian Clarke
> >> Founder, The Freenet Project
> >> Email: i...@freenetproject.org
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 5:09 PM, Ian Clarke i...@freenetproject.org wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 4:18 PM, Florent Daigniere
> >> nextg...@freenetproject.org wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sat, 2016-12-17 at 10:44 -0800, Dan Roberts wrote:
> >>
> >> > It is my impression that retaining our transifex translations is a
> >>
> >> > requirement.
> >>
> >>
> >> I don't think so (we are supposed to re-write/de-clutter the content!);
> >>
> >>
> >> I agree, I the content on the main website must be simplified
> >> dramatically relative to what we have now, focussing on the needs of
> those
> >> interested in downloading and using Freenet, and donating to the
> project.
> >> This is a commonly used approach for consumer-facing open source
> software
> >> (eg. https://getfirefox.com/), and I think we should emulate it.
> >>
> >> "Deeper" content, more relevant to researchers, or developers, should be
> >> migrated to a separate wiki (perhaps hosted on Github) - although as an
> >> interim measure we can keep the old site around on a different URL.  Of
> >> course we will provide links to it where appropriate from the main site
> so
> >> it is findable.
> >>
> >> The perfect shouldn't be the enemy of the good.  My inclination is to
> get
> >> the new site up ASAP, translations and content can catch up (and will be
> >> much easier with a simplified website).  I think with a website that
> looks
> >> really good it will also be a good motivator for people to contribute to
> >> improve it.
> >>
> >> From a devops perspective, I think an ideal situation would be to have a
> >> limited number of people that can merge pull-requests for the site (but
> not
> >> so limited that it proves to be a bottleneck), and then a merge to
> master
> >> results in an automatic roll-out of the improved site.
> >>
> >> Ian.
> >>
> >> Ian Clarke
> >> Founder, The Freenet Project
> >> Email: i...@freenetproject.org
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ian Clarke
> >> Founder, The Freenet Project
> >> Email: i...@freenetproject.org
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Ian Clarke
> > Founder, The Freenet Project
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> >
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Re: [freenet-dev] Status of web redesign?

[Dan Roberts]

Unfortunately I didn't find much time between work and three different sets
of family, but I believe I can carve out time this weekend. I expect a very
low key new years. I have a prospective solution to my biggest pelican
concern that I'm very happy with, I'll try to update again this weekend.

Thanks,
Dan

On Dec 25, 2016 3:24 PM, "Ian Clarke"  wrote:

> Thanks for the update Dan, merry xmas.
>
> Ian Clarke
> Founder, The Freenet Project
> Email: i...@freenetproject.org
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 25, 2016 5:02 PM, Dan Roberts ademan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I'm trying to find some time to fully exercise the parts of pelican we
>> need. I still have some concerns and issues I ran into last weekend in my
>> initial exploration, but I'm hopeful they're not showstoppers.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dan
>>
>> On Dec 23, 2016 11:34 AM, "Ian Clarke"  wrote:
>>
>> Hey guys, this conversation seems to have died.
>>
>> Florent/Dan, are you guys on the same page about how we should proceed?
>>
>> Ian.
>>
>> Ian Clarke
>> Founder, The Freenet Project
>> Email: i...@freenetproject.org
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 5:09 PM, Ian Clarke i...@freenetproject.org wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 4:18 PM, Florent Daigniere
>> nextg...@freenetproject.org wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 2016-12-17 at 10:44 -0800, Dan Roberts wrote:
>>
>> > It is my impression that retaining our transifex translations is a
>>
>> > requirement.
>>
>>
>> I don't think so (we are supposed to re-write/de-clutter the content!);
>>
>>
>> I agree, I the content on the main website must be simplified
>> dramatically relative to what we have now, focussing on the needs of those
>> interested in downloading and using Freenet, and donating to the project.
>> This is a commonly used approach for consumer-facing open source software
>> (eg. https://getfirefox.com/), and I think we should emulate it.
>>
>> "Deeper" content, more relevant to researchers, or developers, should be
>> migrated to a separate wiki (perhaps hosted on Github) - although as an
>> interim measure we can keep the old site around on a different URL.  Of
>> course we will provide links to it where appropriate from the main site so
>> it is findable.
>>
>> The perfect shouldn't be the enemy of the good.  My inclination is to get
>> the new site up ASAP, translations and content can catch up (and will be
>> much easier with a simplified website).  I think with a website that looks
>> really good it will also be a good motivator for people to contribute to
>> improve it.
>>
>> From a devops perspective, I think an ideal situation would be to have a
>> limited number of people that can merge pull-requests for the site (but not
>> so limited that it proves to be a bottleneck), and then a merge to master
>> results in an automatic roll-out of the improved site.
>>
>> Ian.
>>
>> Ian Clarke
>> Founder, The Freenet Project
>> Email: i...@freenetproject.org
>>
>>
>>
>> Ian Clarke
>> Founder, The Freenet Project
>> Email: i...@freenetproject.org
>>
>>
>
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Re: [freenet-dev] Status of web redesign?

[Ian Clarke]

Thanks for the update Dan, merry xmas.
Ian Clarke
Founder, The Freenet Project
Email: i...@freenetproject.org
 





On Sun, Dec 25, 2016 5:02 PM, Dan Roberts ademan...@gmail.com
wrote:
I'm trying to find some time to fully exercise the parts of pelican we need. I
still have some concerns and issues I ran into last weekend in my initial
exploration, but I'm hopeful they're not showstoppers.
Thanks,Dan
On Dec 23, 2016 11:34 AM, "Ian Clarke"  wrote:
Hey guys, this conversation seems to have died.
Florent/Dan, are you guys on the same page about how we should proceed?
Ian.
Ian Clarke
Founder, The Freenet Project
Email: i...@freenetproject.org

 





On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 5:09 PM, Ian Clarke i...@freenetproject.org
wrote:
On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 4:18 PM, Florent Daigniere nextg...@freenetproject.org
wrote:
On Sat, 2016-12-17 at 10:44 -0800, Dan Roberts wrote:

> It is my impression that retaining our transifex translations is a

> requirement.




I don't think so (we are supposed to re-write/de-clutter the content!);




I agree, I the content on the main website must be simplified dramatically
relative to what we have now, focussing on the needs of those interested in
downloading and using Freenet, and donating to the project.  This is a commonly
used approach for consumer-facing open source software (eg. 
https://getfirefox.com/), and I think we should emulate it.
"Deeper" content, more relevant to researchers, or developers, should be
migrated to a separate wiki (perhaps hosted on Github) - although as an interim
measure we can keep the old site around on a different URL.  Of course we will
provide links to it where appropriate from the main site so it is findable.
The perfect shouldn't be the enemy of the good.  My inclination is to get the
new site up ASAP, translations and content can catch up (and will be much easier
with a simplified website).  I think with a website that looks really good it
will also be a good motivator for people to contribute to improve it.
From a devops perspective, I think an ideal situation would be to have a limited
number of people that can merge pull-requests for the site (but not so limited
that it proves to be a bottleneck), and then a merge to master results in an
automatic roll-out of the improved site.
Ian.
Ian Clarke
Founder, The Freenet Project
Email: i...@freenetproject.org

 

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Re: [freenet-dev] Status of web redesign?

[Dan Roberts]

I'm trying to find some time to fully exercise the parts of pelican we
need. I still have some concerns and issues I ran into last weekend in my
initial exploration, but I'm hopeful they're not showstoppers.

Thanks,
Dan

On Dec 23, 2016 11:34 AM, "Ian Clarke"  wrote:

> Hey guys, this conversation seems to have died.
>
> Florent/Dan, are you guys on the same page about how we should proceed?
>
> Ian.
>
> Ian Clarke
> Founder, The Freenet Project
> Email: i...@freenetproject.org
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 5:09 PM, Ian Clarke i...@freenetproject.org wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 4:18 PM, Florent Daigniere
>> nextg...@freenetproject.org wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 2016-12-17 at 10:44 -0800, Dan Roberts wrote:
>>
>> > It is my impression that retaining our transifex translations is a
>>
>> > requirement.
>>
>>
>> I don't think so (we are supposed to re-write/de-clutter the content!);
>>
>>
>> I agree, I the content on the main website must be simplified
>> dramatically relative to what we have now, focussing on the needs of those
>> interested in downloading and using Freenet, and donating to the project.
>> This is a commonly used approach for consumer-facing open source software
>> (eg. https://getfirefox.com/), and I think we should emulate it.
>>
>> "Deeper" content, more relevant to researchers, or developers, should be
>> migrated to a separate wiki (perhaps hosted on Github) - although as an
>> interim measure we can keep the old site around on a different URL.  Of
>> course we will provide links to it where appropriate from the main site so
>> it is findable.
>>
>> The perfect shouldn't be the enemy of the good.  My inclination is to get
>> the new site up ASAP, translations and content can catch up (and will be
>> much easier with a simplified website).  I think with a website that looks
>> really good it will also be a good motivator for people to contribute to
>> improve it.
>>
>> From a devops perspective, I think an ideal situation would be to have a
>> limited number of people that can merge pull-requests for the site (but not
>> so limited that it proves to be a bottleneck), and then a merge to master
>> results in an automatic roll-out of the improved site.
>>
>> Ian.
>>
>> Ian Clarke
>> Founder, The Freenet Project
>> Email: i...@freenetproject.org
>>
>
>
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Re: [freenet-dev] Status of web redesign?

[Ian Clarke]

Hey guys, this conversation seems to have died.
Florent/Dan, are you guys on the same page about how we should proceed?
Ian.
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On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 5:09 PM, Ian Clarke i...@freenetproject.org
wrote:
On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 4:18 PM, Florent Daigniere nextg...@freenetproject.org
wrote:
On Sat, 2016-12-17 at 10:44 -0800, Dan Roberts wrote:

> It is my impression that retaining our transifex translations is a

> requirement.




I don't think so (we are supposed to re-write/de-clutter the content!);




I agree, I the content on the main website must be simplified dramatically
relative to what we have now, focussing on the needs of those interested in
downloading and using Freenet, and donating to the project.  This is a commonly
used approach for consumer-facing open source software (eg.
https://getfirefox.com/), and I think we should emulate it.
"Deeper" content, more relevant to researchers, or developers, should be
migrated to a separate wiki (perhaps hosted on Github) - although as an interim
measure we can keep the old site around on a different URL.  Of course we will
provide links to it where appropriate from the main site so it is findable.
The perfect shouldn't be the enemy of the good.  My inclination is to get the
new site up ASAP, translations and content can catch up (and will be much easier
with a simplified website).  I think with a website that looks really good it
will also be a good motivator for people to contribute to improve it.
From a devops perspective, I think an ideal situation would be to have a limited
number of people that can merge pull-requests for the site (but not so limited
that it proves to be a bottleneck), and then a merge to master results in an
automatic roll-out of the improved site.
Ian.
Ian Clarke
Founder, The Freenet Project
Email: i...@freenetproject.org
 

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Re: [freenet-dev] Status of web redesign?

[Ian Clarke]

On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 4:18 PM, Florent Daigniere nextg...@freenetproject.org
wrote:
On Sat, 2016-12-17 at 10:44 -0800, Dan Roberts wrote:

> It is my impression that retaining our transifex translations is a

> requirement.




I don't think so (we are supposed to re-write/de-clutter the content!);




I agree, I the content on the main website must be simplified dramatically
relative to what we have now, focussing on the needs of those interested in
downloading and using Freenet, and donating to the project.  This is a commonly
used approach for consumer-facing open source software (eg.
https://getfirefox.com/), and I think we should emulate it.
"Deeper" content, more relevant to researchers, or developers, should be
migrated to a separate wiki (perhaps hosted on Github) - although as an interim
measure we can keep the old site around on a different URL.  Of course we will
provide links to it where appropriate from the main site so it is findable.
The perfect shouldn't be the enemy of the good.  My inclination is to get the
new site up ASAP, translations and content can catch up (and will be much easier
with a simplified website).  I think with a website that looks really good it
will also be a good motivator for people to contribute to improve it.
From a devops perspective, I think an ideal situation would be to have a limited
number of people that can merge pull-requests for the site (but not so limited
that it proves to be a bottleneck), and then a merge to master results in an
automatic roll-out of the improved site.
Ian.
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Re: [freenet-dev] Status of web redesign?

[Florent Daigniere]

On Sat, 2016-12-17 at 10:44 -0800, Dan Roberts wrote:
> It is my impression that retaining our transifex translations is a
> requirement.

I don't think so (we are supposed to re-write/de-clutter the content!);
and even if it was, I think that you are going the wrong way about it.

Transifex supports plenty of file-format and has an API
https://docs.transifex.com/formats/introduction
We currently use the gettext integration... but we don't have to.

Florent

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Re: [freenet-dev] Status of web redesign?

[Dan Roberts]

On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Ian Clarke  wrote:

> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 10:36 AM, Florent Daigniere
> nextg...@freenetproject.org wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 2016-12-17 at 16:11 +, Ian Clarke wrote:
>>
>> > Weren't we going to host on AWS?
>>
>>
>> I don't know, that's why I am asking...
>>
>
> Dan?  I think your input is required here.
>
> I have suggested either hugo or pelican with AWS lambda (for a
>
> completely serverless, trendy infrastructure)
>
> OR
>
> using github-pages (with jekyll) and putting some CDN in front
>
> (cloudflare, cloudfront, whatever)
>
>
> I have not offered to help maintain something ruby based.
>
>
> For clarity, you're saying you would not help to set up a CDN in front of
> github-pages because it is Ruby based?  I assume that would be ok since
> Github is administering Jekyll, not us.
>

Well unfortunately Jekyll on github-pages doesn't facilitate any usable
gettext support that I have seen. It is my impression that retaining our
transifex translations is a requirement.


> I wish it was that simple. AWS lambda doesn't support ruby as runtime...
>
> so you have to ship/maintain your own... and write the glue code in any
>
> of the languages that are supported (java, c#, node, python). You get
>
> billed when your code runs... so the naive approach of doing what you've
>
> described above can turn out to be bloody expensive (network round-trip
>
> to debian mirrors, then to gem, then to bundler, ...)
>
>
That assumes we're using AWS lambda.
>
>
> At the end of the day, I don't care... I've said it in the past; we are
>
> picking the worst and most convoluted solution possible. I've been
>
> ignored and can live with it; just don't count on me to make it happen.
>
>
> Well, if you're opposed to it then that's what we'll do! :)
>
> I don't have an axe to grind here, I'm just trying to have a discussion
> the outcome of which will hopefully be a good approach.
>
> If Dan has built his work on Jekyll then I'm worried it might be a lot of
> additional work to switch to something else like Hugo or Pelican, but
> perhaps I'm wrong about that.
>
> Ideally I'd love to outsource our hosting to Github completely to reduce
> or eliminate our devops workload, but it seems we can't do that without
> compromising on i18n.
>
> Perhaps the best solution is to switch to Hugh or Pelican and then use AWS
> lambda, assuming that can handle i18n, and assuming it won't be an
> excessive amount of work to migrate from Jekyll.
>
> Either way, Dan's input is needed here.
>

I think we can probably switch to another generator with reasonable effort,
but I'm not particularly qualified nor motivated to go out and evaluate a
bunch of alternatives. What I was wanted to get across before is that I
know exactly what must be done with Jekyll and don't really want to be the
one selecting an alternative. *As best as I can tell*, Hugo has no gettext
support, Pelican *may* have usable support through an existing i18n plugin,
but I have not evaluated it yet.

It was not my intention to reject all alternatives to Jekyll, I'm not
attached to it, but I haven't wanted to (and still don't want to) lead a
search for an alternative, and then redo the existing work. I never viewed
automatic generation of the website to be an important requirement, and I
offered to be the one to periodically run `jekyll build`, so I still
consider Jekyll to be a viable way forward.

However, if it really is an important requirement, based on what I've seen
so far I'm willing to evaluate Pelican to see if its i18n plugin can suit
our needs with reasonable effort.

Ian.
>
> Ian Clarke
> Founder, The Freenet Project
> Email: i...@freenetproject.org
>

Cheers,
Dan

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Re: [freenet-dev] Status of web redesign?

[Ian Clarke]

On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 10:36 AM, Florent Daigniere nextg...@freenetproject.org
wrote:
On Sat, 2016-12-17 at 16:11 +, Ian Clarke wrote:

> Weren't we going to host on AWS?




I don't know, that's why I am asking...




Dan?  I think your input is required here.
I have suggested either hugo or pelican with AWS lambda (for a

completely serverless, trendy infrastructure)

OR

using github-pages (with jekyll) and putting some CDN in front

(cloudflare, cloudfront, whatever)




I have not offered to help maintain something ruby based.




For clarity, you're saying you would not help to set up a CDN in front of
github-pages because it is Ruby based?  I assume that would be ok since Github
is administering Jekyll, not us.
I wish it was that simple. AWS lambda doesn't support ruby as runtime...

so you have to ship/maintain your own... and write the glue code in any

of the languages that are supported (java, c#, node, python). You get

billed when your code runs... so the naive approach of doing what you've

described above can turn out to be bloody expensive (network round-trip

to debian mirrors, then to gem, then to bundler, ...)




That assumes we're using AWS lambda.


At the end of the day, I don't care... I've said it in the past; we are
picking the worst and most convoluted solution possible. I've been

ignored and can live with it; just don't count on me to make it happen.




Well, if you're opposed to it then that's what we'll do! :)
I don't have an axe to grind here, I'm just trying to have a discussion the
outcome of which will hopefully be a good approach.
If Dan has built his work on Jekyll then I'm worried it might be a lot of
additional work to switch to something else like Hugo or Pelican, but perhaps
I'm wrong about that.
Ideally I'd love to outsource our hosting to Github completely to reduce or
eliminate our devops workload, but it seems we can't do that without
compromising on i18n.
Perhaps the best solution is to switch to Hugh or Pelican and then use AWS
lambda, assuming that can handle i18n, and assuming it won't be an excessive
amount of work to migrate from Jekyll.
Either way, Dan's input is needed here.
Ian.
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Re: [freenet-dev] Status of web redesign?

[Ian Clarke]

Weren't we going to host on AWS?
What is the problem with maintaining a Ruby stack exactly?  Isn't it just a
question of installing whatever is required for Jekyll and perhaps upgrading it
once in a blue moon?  Isn't it just a question of:
$ sudo apt get install rubygems$ gem install jekyll bundler
And then periodically upgrading?
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On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 5:23 AM, Florent Daigniere nextg...@freenetproject.org
wrote:
So what is the plan for hosting if github pages can't do it?




As I wrote before, expecting release managers to maintain a ruby stack

(on top of the existing java/python one) is a no-go.




Florent




On Sat, 2016-12-17 at 01:27 -0800, Dan Roberts wrote:

> Hi Folks,

> 

>     Status update. The simple jekyll plugin I wrote works, with a

> couple of known issues. It will allow us to use our existing transifex

> translations unmodified (something I don't think we were going to get

> out-of-the-box anywhere). It depends on the ruby gettext gem. The site

> still needs some massaging to match the transifex strings, but you can

> see the translation work for parts of /about.de/ which is

> automatically generated by the plugin. For each locales/${LOCALE}.po

> there will be a ${PAGE}.${LOCALE} file generated.

> 

> Tomorrow (saturday 12-17) I'm going to fix the known issues with the

> plugin, and QA the translation tags to ensure our translation keys

> match what is already translated (I may consider automating it using

> the existing site generator, we'll see how obnoxious it gets). I'll

> also be implementing a language selector UI.

> 

> The source code is at https://github.com/Ademan-laptop/freenet-website

> -redesign though beware the history is ugly, I will be cleaning it at

> some point, but I wanted to be sure to update before the weekend.

> Obviously with the plugin dependency it is no longer viewable on

> github.

> 

> Thanks,

> Dan

> 

> On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 1:32 PM, Dan Roberts 

> wrote:

> > I gave a few updates on IRC but I apologize for not updating the ML,

> > I didn't foresee how long I would be stalled. I've had some personal

> > issues going on which ate not only my weekends but several work days

> > of both last week and this week. I don't expect to lose any more

> > time from the aforementioned issues but it's not impossible.

> > 

> > I intend to finish the Jekyll plugin this afternoon so that we can

> > use existing translations, the proof of concept from the other

> > weekend worked well. After that we can stand it up somewhere for QA.

> > I do need to add a language selector, that is not present in the

> > design we bought so I'll use my best judgement and we'll move it

> > later.

> > 

> > Thanks,

> > Dan

> > 

> > On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Ian Clarke  > > wrote:

> > > 

> > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Florent Daigniere  > > etproject.org> wrote:

> > > > On Sat, 2016-12-10 at 13:40 +, Ian Clarke wrote:

> > > > >  Hey guys, it's been quite a while at this point, and we're

> > > > still

> > > > > stuck with the old website.

> > > > > What's the current status of getting the new site up?

> > > > 

> > > > I can't make any progress until there is something to deploy...

> > > > I

> > > > haven't heard from Dan.

> > > 

> > > That's worrying...

> > >

> > > > > If necessary we should spend some more of our donation to make

> > > > this

> > > > > happen (we've already invested in getting the original design

> > > > done,

> > > > > and yet we've received no benefit from it yet).

> > > > >

> > > > 

> > > > Agreed; a big piece of it is the content re-design (for which I

> > > > haven't

> > > > seen any plan).

> > > 

> > > We start by categorizing our different audiences, I think this has

> > > been discussed.  Users, donors, and developers are the major

> > > categories IIRC.  IMHO the website should focus on the first two,

> > > and this will probably require a limited amount of content.  For

> > > developers a companion wiki is probably the best approach.

> > > 

> > > Ian.

> > > 

> > > --

> > > Ian Clarke

> > > Founder, The Freenet Project

> > > Email: i...@freenetproject.org

> > > 

> > 

> > 

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Re: [freenet-dev] Status of web redesign?

[Florent Daigniere]

So what is the plan for hosting if github pages can't do it?

As I wrote before, expecting release managers to maintain a ruby stack
(on top of the existing java/python one) is a no-go.

Florent

On Sat, 2016-12-17 at 01:27 -0800, Dan Roberts wrote:
> Hi Folks,
> 
>     Status update. The simple jekyll plugin I wrote works, with a
> couple of known issues. It will allow us to use our existing transifex
> translations unmodified (something I don't think we were going to get
> out-of-the-box anywhere). It depends on the ruby gettext gem. The site
> still needs some massaging to match the transifex strings, but you can
> see the translation work for parts of /about.de/ which is
> automatically generated by the plugin. For each locales/${LOCALE}.po
> there will be a ${PAGE}.${LOCALE} file generated.
> 
> Tomorrow (saturday 12-17) I'm going to fix the known issues with the
> plugin, and QA the translation tags to ensure our translation keys
> match what is already translated (I may consider automating it using
> the existing site generator, we'll see how obnoxious it gets). I'll
> also be implementing a language selector UI.
> 
> The source code is at https://github.com/Ademan-laptop/freenet-website
> -redesign though beware the history is ugly, I will be cleaning it at
> some point, but I wanted to be sure to update before the weekend.
> Obviously with the plugin dependency it is no longer viewable on
> github.
> 
> Thanks,
> Dan
> 
> On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 1:32 PM, Dan Roberts 
> wrote:
> > I gave a few updates on IRC but I apologize for not updating the ML,
> > I didn't foresee how long I would be stalled. I've had some personal
> > issues going on which ate not only my weekends but several work days
> > of both last week and this week. I don't expect to lose any more
> > time from the aforementioned issues but it's not impossible.
> > 
> > I intend to finish the Jekyll plugin this afternoon so that we can
> > use existing translations, the proof of concept from the other
> > weekend worked well. After that we can stand it up somewhere for QA.
> > I do need to add a language selector, that is not present in the
> > design we bought so I'll use my best judgement and we'll move it
> > later.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Dan
> > 
> > On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Ian Clarke  > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Florent Daigniere  > > etproject.org> wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 2016-12-10 at 13:40 +, Ian Clarke wrote:
> > > > >  Hey guys, it's been quite a while at this point, and we're
> > > > still
> > > > > stuck with the old website.
> > > > > What's the current status of getting the new site up?
> > > > 
> > > > I can't make any progress until there is something to deploy...
> > > > I
> > > > haven't heard from Dan.
> > > 
> > > That's worrying...
> > >  
> > > > > If necessary we should spend some more of our donation to make
> > > > this
> > > > > happen (we've already invested in getting the original design
> > > > done,
> > > > > and yet we've received no benefit from it yet).
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > Agreed; a big piece of it is the content re-design (for which I
> > > > haven't
> > > > seen any plan).
> > > 
> > > We start by categorizing our different audiences, I think this has
> > > been discussed.  Users, donors, and developers are the major
> > > categories IIRC.  IMHO the website should focus on the first two,
> > > and this will probably require a limited amount of content.  For
> > > developers a companion wiki is probably the best approach.
> > > 
> > > Ian.
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > Ian Clarke
> > > Founder, The Freenet Project
> > > Email: i...@freenetproject.org
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 

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Re: [freenet-dev] Status of web redesign?

[Dan Roberts]

Hi Folks,

Status update. The simple jekyll plugin I wrote works, with a couple of
known issues. It will allow us to use our existing transifex translations
unmodified (something I don't think we were going to get out-of-the-box
anywhere). It depends on the ruby gettext gem. The site still needs some
massaging to match the transifex strings, but you can see the translation
work for parts of /about.de/ which is automatically generated by the
plugin. For each locales/${LOCALE}.po there will be a ${PAGE}.${LOCALE}
file generated.

Tomorrow (saturday 12-17) I'm going to fix the known issues with the
plugin, and QA the translation tags to ensure our translation keys match
what is already translated (I may consider automating it using the existing
site generator, we'll see how obnoxious it gets). I'll also be implementing
a language selector UI.

The source code is at
https://github.com/Ademan-laptop/freenet-website-redesign though beware the
history is ugly, I will be cleaning it at some point, but I wanted to be
sure to update before the weekend. Obviously with the plugin dependency it
is no longer viewable on github.

Thanks,
Dan

On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 1:32 PM, Dan Roberts  wrote:

> I gave a few updates on IRC but I apologize for not updating the ML, I
> didn't foresee how long I would be stalled. I've had some personal issues
> going on which ate not only my weekends but several work days of both last
> week and this week. I don't expect to lose any more time from the
> aforementioned issues but it's not impossible.
>
> I intend to finish the Jekyll plugin this afternoon so that we can use
> existing translations, the proof of concept from the other weekend worked
> well. After that we can stand it up somewhere for QA. I do need to add a
> language selector, that is not present in the design we bought so I'll use
> my best judgement and we'll move it later.
>
> Thanks,
> Dan
>
> On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Ian Clarke 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Florent Daigniere <
>> nextg...@freenetproject.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 2016-12-10 at 13:40 +, Ian Clarke wrote:
>>> >  Hey guys, it's been quite a while at this point, and we're still
>>> > stuck with the old website.
>>> > What's the current status of getting the new site up?
>>>
>>> I can't make any progress until there is something to deploy... I
>>> haven't heard from Dan.
>>>
>>
>> That's worrying...
>>
>>
>>> > If necessary we should spend some more of our donation to make this
>>> > happen (we've already invested in getting the original design done,
>>> > and yet we've received no benefit from it yet).
>>> >
>>>
>>> Agreed; a big piece of it is the content re-design (for which I haven't
>>> seen any plan).
>>>
>>
>> We start by categorizing our different audiences, I think this has been
>> discussed.  Users, donors, and developers are the major categories IIRC.
>> IMHO the website should focus on the first two, and this will probably
>> require a limited amount of content.  For developers a companion wiki is
>> probably the best approach.
>>
>> Ian.
>>
>> --
>> Ian Clarke
>> Founder, The Freenet Project
>> Email: i...@freenetproject.org
>>
>
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Re: [freenet-dev] Status of web redesign?

[Dan Roberts]

I gave a few updates on IRC but I apologize for not updating the ML, I
didn't foresee how long I would be stalled. I've had some personal issues
going on which ate not only my weekends but several work days of both last
week and this week. I don't expect to lose any more time from the
aforementioned issues but it's not impossible.

I intend to finish the Jekyll plugin this afternoon so that we can use
existing translations, the proof of concept from the other weekend worked
well. After that we can stand it up somewhere for QA. I do need to add a
language selector, that is not present in the design we bought so I'll use
my best judgement and we'll move it later.

Thanks,
Dan

On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Ian Clarke  wrote:

>
>
> On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Florent Daigniere <
> nextg...@freenetproject.org> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 2016-12-10 at 13:40 +, Ian Clarke wrote:
>> >  Hey guys, it's been quite a while at this point, and we're still
>> > stuck with the old website.
>> > What's the current status of getting the new site up?
>>
>> I can't make any progress until there is something to deploy... I
>> haven't heard from Dan.
>>
>
> That's worrying...
>
>
>> > If necessary we should spend some more of our donation to make this
>> > happen (we've already invested in getting the original design done,
>> > and yet we've received no benefit from it yet).
>> >
>>
>> Agreed; a big piece of it is the content re-design (for which I haven't
>> seen any plan).
>>
>
> We start by categorizing our different audiences, I think this has been
> discussed.  Users, donors, and developers are the major categories IIRC.
> IMHO the website should focus on the first two, and this will probably
> require a limited amount of content.  For developers a companion wiki is
> probably the best approach.
>
> Ian.
>
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Re: [freenet-dev] Status of web redesign?

[Ian Clarke]

On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Florent Daigniere <
nextg...@freenetproject.org> wrote:

> On Sat, 2016-12-10 at 13:40 +, Ian Clarke wrote:
> >  Hey guys, it's been quite a while at this point, and we're still
> > stuck with the old website.
> > What's the current status of getting the new site up?
>
> I can't make any progress until there is something to deploy... I
> haven't heard from Dan.
>

That's worrying...


> > If necessary we should spend some more of our donation to make this
> > happen (we've already invested in getting the original design done,
> > and yet we've received no benefit from it yet).
> >
>
> Agreed; a big piece of it is the content re-design (for which I haven't
> seen any plan).
>

We start by categorizing our different audiences, I think this has been
discussed.  Users, donors, and developers are the major categories IIRC.
IMHO the website should focus on the first two, and this will probably
require a limited amount of content.  For developers a companion wiki is
probably the best approach.

Ian.

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Re: [freenet-dev] Status of web redesign?

[Florent Daigniere]

On Sat, 2016-12-10 at 13:40 +, Ian Clarke wrote:
>  Hey guys, it's been quite a while at this point, and we're still
> stuck with the old website.
> What's the current status of getting the new site up?

I can't make any progress until there is something to deploy... I
haven't heard from Dan.

> If necessary we should spend some more of our donation to make this
> happen (we've already invested in getting the original design done,
> and yet we've received no benefit from it yet).
> 

Agreed; a big piece of it is the content re-design (for which I haven't
seen any plan).

Florent

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[freenet-dev] Status of web redesign?

[Ian Clarke]

Hey guys, it's been quite a while at this point, and we're still stuck with the
old website.
What's the current status of getting the new site up?
If necessary we should spend some more of our donation to make this happen
(we've already invested in getting the original design done, and yet we've
received no benefit from it yet).
Ian.
Ian Clarke
Founder, The Freenet Project
Email: i...@freenetproject.org
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