Re: Migration of dia-list to GNOME Discourse instance
On Wed, 2020-10-21 at 02:43 +0300, Andrey Repin via dia-list wrote: > if you CBA to subscribe, I can't be any more helpful to deal with you > personally. They are a volunteer coordinating the migration of dozens of lists, it's not unreasonable they don't want to subscribe to lists they aren't otherwise interested in (and they have been checking the archives to follow this thread) > I prefer all my daily feeds in one nice interface. Not in a ton of different > interfaces each with their own caveats. Not to mention, I don't have nearly > enough RAM to keep yet another browser tab open just to get prompt delivery > of the news feed. I have my mail server which is more than capable of playing > fetch. You may not have noticed in all the replies on this thread: This is still possible. Discourse sends emails for new threads and replies as well as accepting new comments via email. The stumbling block is _starting_ threads via email > So, you failed to configure the mailing list properly and opted to use > something entirely different instead? Not sure how you came to this conclusion? > I wonder, what's wrong with Sourceware, Samba or postfix.org, if they are > still using mailing lists today. After 30+ years. Different organisations with different requirements do different things on different infrastructure for different reasons /shrug Zander signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ dia-list mailing list dia-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list FAQ at http://live.gnome.org/Dia/Faq Main page at http://live.gnome.org/Dia
Re: Migration of dia-list to GNOME Discourse instance
Greetings, Olav Vitters via dia-list! > Dear subscribers, > Please cc me on replies. CC whom? The list is set in such a way that it blanks the original sender. And no, I don't have a habit of "replying to all" in public mailing lists. I reply to the list, if you CBA to subscribe, I can't be any more helpful to deal with you personally. > We've set up https://discourse.gnome.orga year and a half ago, as part of > an attempt at making the GTK mailing list more friendly to newcomers. This > experiment seems to have proven itself well enough, and has since expanded > to other territories as well. As such, we believe it is time to make the > same switch for most of our mailing lists. I prefer all my daily feeds in one nice interface. Not in a ton of different interfaces each with their own caveats. Not to mention, I don't have nearly enough RAM to keep yet another browser tab open just to get prompt delivery of the news feed. I have my mail server which is more than capable of playing fetch. > This means that this mailing list will be archived in favour of continued > discussion at GNOME's Discourse instance. No need to worry that this will > mess with your workflow: it is still possible to get notifications by email > by subscribing to the appropriate tags and/or posts. You can also still > reply by e-mail if you prefer. Just like before, it's also possible to > receive a general weekly digest. > The proposed closure of this mailing list will be on: Oct 30th, 2020 > As a subscriber of this mailing list please create an account on > https://discourse.gnome.org/. It's unfortunately not possible to > automatically migrate the existing subscribers to Discourse. In case you > wonder what will happen to the current mailing list after the closure date: > the archives will remain public though you won't be able to subscribe or > send emails to the current list. > For dia-list the new discussions would take place in the Applications > category on Discourse using the 'dia' tag. Unfortunately creating a new > thread with a dia tag is not possible at this time, the following link can > be used: > https://discourse.gnome.org/new-topic?category=Applications=dia, anyone > can respond once a topic is created. > For further information on Discourse, please see the following topics: > https://discourse.gnome.org/t/interacting-with-discourse-via-email/46 > https://discourse.gnome.org/t/tags-and-watching/94 > Finally, feel welcome to say hi by introducing yourself over at > https://discourse.gnome.org/t/say-hello-thread/! > On behalf of the Discourse migration volunteers. So, you failed to configure the mailing list properly and opted to use something entirely different instead? I wonder, what's wrong with Sourceware, Samba or postfix.org, if they are still using mailing lists today. After 30+ years. > Cheers, > Olav -- With best regards, Andrey Repin Wednesday, October 21, 2020 2:04:35 Sorry for my terrible english... ___ dia-list mailing list dia-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list FAQ at http://live.gnome.org/Dia/Faq Main page at http://live.gnome.org/Dia
Re: Migration of dia-list to GNOME Discourse instance
On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 02:36:49PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: I quote from the TOS: == 16. Indemnification You agree to indemnify and hold harmless GNOME, its contractors, and its licensors, and their respective directors, officers, employees and agents from and against any and all claims and expenses, including attorneys’ fees, arising out of your use of the Website, including but not limited to your violation of this Agreement. == So your requirement (not sure of a better word) is section 16 is entirely taken out, correct? Section 12 says your indemnity basically lasts forever. So it's conceivable that years after you've quit Gnome Discourse, someone could file a meritless lawsuit against Gnome, and then you pay. With that you want the part of section 12 removed, correct? Quoting from TOS: 12. Termination GNOME may terminate your access to all or any part of the Website at any time, with or without cause, with or without notice, effective immediately. If you wish to terminate this Agreement or your gnome.org account (if you have one), you may simply discontinue using the Website. above is ok All provisions of this Agreement which by their nature should survive termination shall survive termination, including, without limitation, ownership provisions, warranty disclaimers, indemnity and limitations of liability. but this bit and especially the indemnity should go, right? Once confirmed I'll raise it with the Discourse maintainers. Anything else in the ToS that's not standard/unacceptable/etc? -- Regards, Olav ___ dia-list mailing list dia-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list FAQ at http://live.gnome.org/Dia/Faq Main page at http://live.gnome.org/Dia
Re: Migration of dia-list to GNOME Discourse instance
On Tue, 20 Oct 2020 14:36:49 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: > So if some crazy guy doesn't like what you say, and sues Gnome for a > million dollars, even though what you said was perfectly OK, it isn't > Google's problem, it's yours. Whoops, I meant to say "it isn't Gnome's problem." Google has no standing in this discussion. That being said, the logic remains the same. You can lose your house when some lawsuit happy nutjob sues Gnome, falsely alleging that you did something wrong on your Gnome Discourse account. SteveT Steve Litt Autumn 2020 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive ___ dia-list mailing list dia-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list FAQ at http://live.gnome.org/Dia/Faq Main page at http://live.gnome.org/Dia
Re: Migration of dia-list to GNOME Discourse instance
On Tue, 20 Oct 2020, Olav Vitters wrote: Thanks, up to now that lack of creating a new topic/thread via email wasn't much of a problem. Hopefully by raising it as an issue it can get fixed. Upstream (Discourse) was ok with the idea, but seems there aren't too many people who complained. I did notice that upstream proposed something like 'Tagged: dia' instead of a unique email address. Olav, Thanks for your efforts with Dia and taking seriously our preference for email to communicate with other Dia users. Stay well, Rich ___ dia-list mailing list dia-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list FAQ at http://live.gnome.org/Dia/Faq Main page at http://live.gnome.org/Dia
Re: Migration of dia-list to GNOME Discourse instance
On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 05:49:52AM -0700, Rich Shepard wrote: +1 unless email alone can initiate threads and respond to those we initiate. Thanks, up to now that lack of creating a new topic/thread via email wasn't much of a problem. Hopefully by raising it as an issue it can get fixed. Upstream (Discourse) was ok with the idea, but seems there aren't too many people who complained. I did notice that upstream proposed something like 'Tagged: dia' instead of a unique email address. -- Regards, Olav ___ dia-list mailing list dia-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list FAQ at http://live.gnome.org/Dia/Faq Main page at http://live.gnome.org/Dia
Re: Migration of dia-list to GNOME Discourse instance
On Wednesday, 21 October 2020 12:52:56 AM NZDT rhkramer--- via dia-list wrote: > On Tuesday, October 20, 2020 02:52:23 AM Steve Litt wrote: > > I can't imagine anything friendlier than email. It comes to you, you > > read it, you reply. No need to join yet another third party, no need to > > read and agree to yet another legal contract, many of which have "take > > your house" indemnification clauses. > > +1 > _ +1 -- Cheers Buzz ___ dia-list mailing list dia-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list FAQ at http://live.gnome.org/Dia/Faq Main page at http://live.gnome.org/Dia
Re: Re: Migration of dia-list to GNOME Discourse instance
On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 5:41 AM wrote: > > Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 10:51:57 +0200 > From: Slavko > Subject: Re: Migration of dia-list to GNOME Discourse instance > > On Tue, 20 Oct 2020 02:52:23 -0400 Steve Litt > wrote: > > > > On Mon, 19 Oct 2020 14:25:40 +0200 > > Olav Vitters via dia-list wrote: > > > > > > I can't imagine anything friendlier than email. It comes to you, you > > read it, you reply. No need to join yet another third party, no need > > to read and agree to yet another legal contract, many of which have > > "take your house" indemnification clauses. > > > > > This experiment seems to have proven itself well enough, > > > and has since expanded to other territories as well. As such, we > > > believe it is time to make the same switch for most of our mailing > > > lists. > > > > I disagree. > > > > > ... > > I am happy to see, that i am not only one with this point of view. > I also think that the mailing list is vastly better. Please do end this mailing list. ___ dia-list mailing list dia-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list FAQ at http://live.gnome.org/Dia/Faq Main page at http://live.gnome.org/Dia
Re: Migration of dia-list to GNOME Discourse instance
On Tue, 20 Oct 2020 15:56:27 +0100 Zander Brown wrote: > On Tue, 2020-10-20 at 07:52 -0400, rhkramer--- via dia-list wrote: > > On Tuesday, October 20, 2020 02:52:23 AM Steve Litt wrote: > > > I can't imagine anything friendlier than email. It comes to you, > > > you read it, you reply. No need to join yet another third party, > > > no need to read and agree to yet another legal contract, many of > > > which have "take your house" indemnification clauses. > > > > +1 > > Being a bit pedantic: There is no additional party here, GNOME > Discourse is hosted on the same infrastructure as mailman (and > managed by the same sysadmin team) > > GNOME has a common Privacy Policy/CoC for both, IIRC the GNOME > Discourse ToS is fairly short and standard I quote from the TOS: == 16. Indemnification You agree to indemnify and hold harmless GNOME, its contractors, and its licensors, and their respective directors, officers, employees and agents from and against any and all claims and expenses, including attorneys’ fees, arising out of your use of the Website, including but not limited to your violation of this Agreement. == So if some crazy guy doesn't like what you say, and sues Gnome for a million dollars, even though what you said was perfectly OK, it isn't Google's problem, it's yours. The lawsuit is based on Gnome's deep pockets, but the guy paying the bills is you. The TOS is unclear as to whether Gnome can just pay the guy $100K to avoid the nuisance, at which time *you'll* pay the $100K, but that's a feature of many indemnification clauses. To repeat, an indemnification clause is NOT an agreement not to sue them, which would be bad enough if they were negligent; it's an agreement that if any third party sues Gnome alleging anything involving your use of the Gnome facility, you're financially responsible. Now it could be argued that if you're in the wrong, Gnome shouldn't pay. True enough. But even without an indemnification clause, Gnome could sue you, if the third party suit has merit. What an indemnification clause really does is use you as an unpaid insurance policy for Gnome, and although it's rare, people lose their houses over indemnification clauses. It could be argued that these days you have to sign some indemnification clause laden contracts. But that doesn't mean that you sign any and all such contracts. Especially just so you can get the hip new thing. Section 12 says your indemnity basically lasts forever. So it's conceivable that years after you've quit Gnome Discourse, someone could file a meritless lawsuit against Gnome, and then you pay. > So really the only difference in terms of joining the "list" is the > need to pick a username/handle, and that your email address is > private by default Cough cough Indemnification. SteveT Steve Litt Autumn 2020 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive ___ dia-list mailing list dia-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list FAQ at http://live.gnome.org/Dia/Faq Main page at http://live.gnome.org/Dia
Re: Migration of dia-list to GNOME Discourse instance
On Tue, 20 Oct 2020 18:30:55 +0100 Zander Brown wrote: > GNOME Discourse is much the same but unfortunately someone decided we > would use tags instead of subcategories and Discourse doesn't (yet?) There's that word "unfortunately" again. SteveT Steve Litt Autumn 2020 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive ___ dia-list mailing list dia-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list FAQ at http://live.gnome.org/Dia/Faq Main page at http://live.gnome.org/Dia
Re: Migration of dia-list to GNOME Discourse instance
On Tue, 2020-10-20 at 05:49 -0700, Rich Shepard wrote: > The JabRef mail list uses discourse but also provides the capabilities for > me (and others like me) to initiate new threads and respond to others using > email only. No need to open a browser tab and navigate to the group's page. GNOME Discourse is much the same but unfortunately someone decided we would use tags instead of subcategories and Discourse doesn't (yet?) support tags via email thus threads end up in a generic list instead of $component - somewhat less than ideal Other than starting threads you can have a 100% email based work flow if that's what you want to do Zander signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ dia-list mailing list dia-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list FAQ at http://live.gnome.org/Dia/Faq Main page at http://live.gnome.org/Dia
Re: Migration of dia-list to GNOME Discourse instance
On Tue, 2020-10-20 at 07:52 -0400, rhkramer--- via dia-list wrote: > On Tuesday, October 20, 2020 02:52:23 AM Steve Litt wrote: > > I can't imagine anything friendlier than email. It comes to you, you > > read it, you reply. No need to join yet another third party, no need to > > read and agree to yet another legal contract, many of which have "take > > your house" indemnification clauses. > > +1 Being a bit pedantic: There is no additional party here, GNOME Discourse is hosted on the same infrastructure as mailman (and managed by the same sysadmin team) GNOME has a common Privacy Policy/CoC for both, IIRC the GNOME Discourse ToS is fairly short and standard To join a mailman list requires - Email - Password - Optional Name To join Discourse requires - Email - Password - Optional Name - Username (could be same as email) So really the only difference in terms of joining the "list" is the need to pick a username/handle, and that your email address is private by default Zander signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ dia-list mailing list dia-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list FAQ at http://live.gnome.org/Dia/Faq Main page at http://live.gnome.org/Dia
Re: Migration of dia-list to GNOME Discourse instance
On Tue, 2020-10-20 at 07:19 -0400, Michael Ross via dia-list wrote: > This is certainly, a surprise. No ongoing discussion, just here you go, live > with it. Note Olav's wording: The proposed closure It's not a case of "this is going to happen fullstop" but rather "this will happen if nobody objects", it's worth noting Olav has been doing a lot of the leg work in the GNOME wide initiative to migrate so of course doesn't know every community. The move began with gtk (one of the more active lists) some time ago but of course the average dia-list reader may not have been aware of this which is unfortunate > I have been replying to newbie emails here for at least 15 years thanks for your contributions, I do hope we can keep you around for another 15 > It caters to new, younger users, rather than to established power users IMO that's a good thing, clearly established users are important but that doesn't mean we shouldn't make efforts to attract new people > Making Discourse an "opt in" further ensures a loss of old knowledge. Not sure what your saying here? Within reason (and as Olav kinda implied) we can plead the 'ol grandfather- rights style "Dia is old and a little weird" since we are a fairly low activity list Zander signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ dia-list mailing list dia-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list FAQ at http://live.gnome.org/Dia/Faq Main page at http://live.gnome.org/Dia
Re: Migration of dia-list to GNOME Discourse instance
On Tue, 20 Oct 2020, Steve Litt wrote: I can't imagine anything friendlier than email. It comes to you, you read it, you reply. No need to join yet another third party, no need to read and agree to yet another legal contract, many of which have "take your house" indemnification clauses. Yes, email is pushed to us while web fora require us to navigate to that site and pull threads which we want to read. For busy people (yes, many of us are even in these troubled times) having information pushed to us is much more convenient and useful. This experiment seems to have proven itself well enough, and has since expanded to other territories as well. As such, we believe it is time to make the same switch for most of our mailing lists. I disagree. +1 Are there complete, detailed instructions on how to do so? And to what legalese must I agree in order to join GNOME's Discourse? The JabRef mail list uses discourse but also provides the capabilities for me (and others like me) to initiate new threads and respond to others using email only. No need to open a browser tab and navigate to the group's page. The proposed closure of this mailing list will be on: Oct 30th, 2020 I propose you don't do it. +1 unless email alone can initiate threads and respond to those we initiate. Rich ___ dia-list mailing list dia-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list FAQ at http://live.gnome.org/Dia/Faq Main page at http://live.gnome.org/Dia
Re: Migration of dia-list to GNOME Discourse instance
On Tuesday, October 20, 2020 02:52:23 AM Steve Litt wrote: > I can't imagine anything friendlier than email. It comes to you, you > read it, you reply. No need to join yet another third party, no need to > read and agree to yet another legal contract, many of which have "take > your house" indemnification clauses. +1 ___ dia-list mailing list dia-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list FAQ at http://live.gnome.org/Dia/Faq Main page at http://live.gnome.org/Dia
Re: Migration of dia-list to GNOME Discourse instance
This is certainly, a surprise. No ongoing discussion, just here you go, live with it. I have been replying to newbie emails here for at least 15 years. I will not be migrating to Discourse with Dia. I am familiar with Discourse. But, I don't use it the same way as an email list, and even for topics I have a lot of passion for, I find that I monitor the traffic less. This migration is just more creeping social media, it is not better. It is just different. It caters to new, younger users, rather than to established power users. It is a time suck compared to an email list. It provides more dopamine hits and encourages stickiness and addictive behavior. You have to lift the skirts of it to see what it does to the human mind that a straight email interface does not. I am sorry to see this "fixing" of what is not broken. The triumph of the new, and pretty, over the established, effective, and streamlined. Making Discourse an "opt in" further ensures a loss of old knowledge. Best of luck to you all. May you have great joy and positive energy in your lives. Mike On Mon, Oct 19, 2020, 8:25 AM Olav Vitters via dia-list wrote: > Dear subscribers, > > Please cc me on replies. > > We've set up https://discourse.gnome.org a year and a half ago, as part > of an attempt at making the GTK mailing list more friendly to newcomers. > This experiment seems to have proven itself well enough, and has since > expanded to other territories as well. As such, we believe it is time to > make the same switch for most of our mailing lists. > > This means that this mailing list will be archived in favour of continued > discussion at GNOME's Discourse instance. No need to worry that this will > mess with your workflow: it is still possible to get notifications by email > by subscribing to the appropriate tags and/or posts. You can also still > reply by e-mail if you prefer. Just like before, it's also possible to > receive a general weekly digest. > > The proposed closure of this mailing list will be on: Oct 30th, 2020 > > As a subscriber of this mailing list please create an account on > https://discourse.gnome.org/. It's unfortunately not possible to > automatically migrate the existing subscribers to Discourse. In case you > wonder what will happen to the current mailing list after the closure date: > the archives will remain public though you won't be able to subscribe or > send emails to the current list. > > For dia-list the new discussions would take place in the Applications > category on Discourse using the 'dia' tag. Unfortunately creating a new > thread with a dia tag is not possible at this time, the following link can > be used: > https://discourse.gnome.org/new-topic?category=Applications=dia, > anyone can respond once a topic is created. > > For further information on Discourse, please see the following topics: > > https://discourse.gnome.org/t/interacting-with-discourse-via-email/46 > https://discourse.gnome.org/t/tags-and-watching/94 > > Finally, feel welcome to say hi by introducing yourself over at > https://discourse.gnome.org/t/say-hello-thread/ ! > > On behalf of the Discourse migration volunteers. > > Cheers, > Olav > ___ > dia-list mailing list > dia-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list > FAQ at http://live.gnome.org/Dia/Faq > Main page at http://live.gnome.org/Dia > > ___ dia-list mailing list dia-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list FAQ at http://live.gnome.org/Dia/Faq Main page at http://live.gnome.org/Dia
Re: Migration of dia-list to GNOME Discourse instance
On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 02:25:40PM +0200, Olav Vitters via dia-list wrote: > The proposed closure of this mailing list will be on: Oct 30th, 2020 After not having used this list in years, this is probably the right time to say goodbye. Greetings Marc -- - Marc Haber | "I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Leimen, Germany| lose things."Winona Ryder | Fon: *49 6224 1600402 Nordisch by Nature | How to make an American Quilt | Fax: *49 6224 1600421 ___ dia-list mailing list dia-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list FAQ at http://live.gnome.org/Dia/Faq Main page at http://live.gnome.org/Dia
Re: Migration of dia-list to GNOME Discourse instance
On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 8:52 AM Steve Litt wrote: > > On Mon, 19 Oct 2020 14:25:40 +0200 > Olav Vitters via dia-list wrote: > > We've set up https://discourse.gnome.org a year and a half ago, as > > part of an attempt at making the GTK mailing list more friendly to > > newcomers. > > I can't imagine anything friendlier than email. It comes to you, you > read it, you reply. No need to join yet another third party, no need to > read and agree to yet another legal contract, many of which have "take > your house" indemnification clauses. You can set it so all of the dia tagged posts including all of the replies all go via email. Replying can be done via email as well. Or via a browser.. Discourse doesn't do away with email, it offers a bit more. Thanks to that some things are nicer than before. E.g. it's easier to join a discussion if you haven't yet subscribed to the list Also easier to completely ignore some threads. There's also a concept of trust levels, meaning that as people do more things Discourse allows those people to do more. See https://blog.discourse.org/2018/06/understanding-discourse-trust-levels/. At the moment various mailing lists often have long periods where hardly anyone looks at the mailing list, meaning anything stuck in the moderation queue is never acted upon. When signing up there's a standard GNOME privacy policy. There's also a terms of service, I don't see anything too strange in there. It would be nice if they'd focus more on the Code of Conduct. > > This experiment seems to have proven itself well enough, > > and has since expanded to other territories as well. As such, we > > believe it is time to make the same switch for most of our mailing > > lists. > > I disagree. > > > > > This means that this mailing list will be archived in favour of > > continued discussion at GNOME's Discourse instance. No need to worry > > that this will mess with your workflow: it is still possible to get > > notifications by email by subscribing to the appropriate tags and/or > > posts. You can also still reply by e-mail if you prefer. Just like > > before, it's also possible to receive a general weekly digest. > > Are there complete, detailed instructions on how to do so? And to what > legalese must I agree in order to join GNOME's Discourse? Instructions for receiving the emails: 1. Go to https://discourse.gnome.org/ 2. Click sign up 3. Fill in: email, username, name (optional), password, probably click some email confirmation link 4. Go to https://discourse.gnome.org/tag/dia 5. In the top right of the screen click on the bell icon. Choose what kind of emails you want, e.g.: - Watching first post (get new posts, but not any replies except if someone addresses you) - Watching (get new posts and all replies) You can also be (optionally) notified via the browser. Per topic you can choose how you get notified. E.g. if you choose 'watching first post' for dia emails you'll be able to change it per topic to 'watching'. Similarly, if you do not want to follow a certain topic you'll be able to ignore only that topic. To post something: a. Click https://discourse.gnome.org/new-topic?category=Applications=dia b. Go to https://discourse.gnome.org/, click new topic, fill in the category and tag (dia) To reply to something: a. Either: Use a browser b. Or: Reply to the email > > The proposed closure of this mailing list will be on: Oct 30th, 2020 > > I propose you don't do it. > > > As a subscriber of this mailing list please create an account on > > https://discourse.gnome.org/. It's unfortunately not possible to > > automatically migrate the existing subscribers to Discourse. In case > > you wonder what will happen to the current mailing list after the > > closure date: the archives will remain public though you won't be > > able to subscribe or send emails to the current list. > > > > For dia-list the new discussions would take place in the Applications > > category on Discourse using the 'dia' tag. Unfortunately creating a > > new thread with a dia tag is not possible at this time, the following > > link can be used: Regards, Olav ___ dia-list mailing list dia-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list FAQ at http://live.gnome.org/Dia/Faq Main page at http://live.gnome.org/Dia
Re: Migration of dia-list to GNOME Discourse instance
On Tue, 20 Oct 2020 10:51:57 +0200 Slavko via dia-list wrote: > I am happy to see, that i am not only one with this point of view. > I will not register, nowhere and especially no for ML with 10 > messages/year. I think, that nobody will register to only post one > occasional question. I hadn't thought of that, but it's true. What's wrong with the list isn't technical, it's that most posts are newbie stuff or weird feature requests. In the 20 years I've used dia, Inkscape has been playing catch-up, and Inkscape still has a perfectly functional mailing list. I've always needed to convert dia to Inkscape before making a real graphic, so, well, if the mailing list is taken away, maybe I'll just find non-dia ways to make block diagrams and network diagrams. > I believe, that real reason is failure to solve failed DKIM (and > DMARC) related things, only wrapped in some nice PR words... Yes. And the funny thing is, other mailing lists have dealt with these things quite nicely. SteveT Steve Litt Autumn 2020 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive ___ dia-list mailing list dia-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list FAQ at http://live.gnome.org/Dia/Faq Main page at http://live.gnome.org/Dia
Re: Migration of dia-list to GNOME Discourse instance
Ahoj, Dňa Tue, 20 Oct 2020 02:52:23 -0400 Steve Litt napísal: > On Mon, 19 Oct 2020 14:25:40 +0200 > Olav Vitters via dia-list wrote: > > > Dear subscribers, > > > > Please cc me on replies. You want to we register and you are sluggish to subscribe? Interesting... > > > > We've set up https://discourse.gnome.org a year and a half ago, as > > part of an attempt at making the GTK mailing list more friendly to > > newcomers. > > I can't imagine anything friendlier than email. It comes to you, you > read it, you reply. No need to join yet another third party, no need > to read and agree to yet another legal contract, many of which have > "take your house" indemnification clauses. > > > This experiment seems to have proven itself well enough, > > and has since expanded to other territories as well. As such, we > > believe it is time to make the same switch for most of our mailing > > lists. > > I disagree. > > > ... I am happy to see, that i am not only one with this point of view. I will not register, nowhere and especially no for ML with 10 messages/year. I think, that nobody will register to only post one occasional question. I believe, that real reason is failure to solve failed DKIM (and DMARC) related things, only wrapped in some nice PR words... regards -- Slavko http://slavino.sk pgpghXxZFdW9d.pgp Description: Digitálny podpis OpenPGP ___ dia-list mailing list dia-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list FAQ at http://live.gnome.org/Dia/Faq Main page at http://live.gnome.org/Dia
Re: Migration of dia-list to GNOME Discourse instance
On Mon, 19 Oct 2020 14:25:40 +0200 Olav Vitters via dia-list wrote: > Dear subscribers, > > Please cc me on replies. > > We've set up https://discourse.gnome.org a year and a half ago, as > part of an attempt at making the GTK mailing list more friendly to > newcomers. I can't imagine anything friendlier than email. It comes to you, you read it, you reply. No need to join yet another third party, no need to read and agree to yet another legal contract, many of which have "take your house" indemnification clauses. > This experiment seems to have proven itself well enough, > and has since expanded to other territories as well. As such, we > believe it is time to make the same switch for most of our mailing > lists. I disagree. > > This means that this mailing list will be archived in favour of > continued discussion at GNOME's Discourse instance. No need to worry > that this will mess with your workflow: it is still possible to get > notifications by email by subscribing to the appropriate tags and/or > posts. You can also still reply by e-mail if you prefer. Just like > before, it's also possible to receive a general weekly digest. Are there complete, detailed instructions on how to do so? And to what legalese must I agree in order to join GNOME's Discourse? > The proposed closure of this mailing list will be on: Oct 30th, 2020 I propose you don't do it. > As a subscriber of this mailing list please create an account on > https://discourse.gnome.org/. It's unfortunately not possible to > automatically migrate the existing subscribers to Discourse. In case > you wonder what will happen to the current mailing list after the > closure date: the archives will remain public though you won't be > able to subscribe or send emails to the current list. > > For dia-list the new discussions would take place in the Applications > category on Discourse using the 'dia' tag. Unfortunately creating a > new thread with a dia tag is not possible at this time, the following > link can be used: I see a lot of use of the word "unfortunately." SteveT Steve Litt Autumn 2020 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive ___ dia-list mailing list dia-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list FAQ at http://live.gnome.org/Dia/Faq Main page at http://live.gnome.org/Dia
Re: Migration of dia-list to GNOME Discourse instance
On Mon, 2020-10-19 at 14:25 +0200, Olav Vitters via dia-list wrote: > For dia-list the new discussions would take place in the Applications > category on Discourse using the 'dia' tag. Unfortunately creating a new > thread with a dia tag is not possible at this time, the following link can be > used: https://discourse.gnome.org/new-topic?category=Applications=dia, > anyone can respond once a topic is created. Or rather you can't create one via email, only the Web UI Personally I'm excited to use this richer medium, hopefully it'll allow more people to get involved Zander signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ dia-list mailing list dia-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/dia-list FAQ at http://live.gnome.org/Dia/Faq Main page at http://live.gnome.org/Dia
