Re: Who maintains the D website?
On Thursday, 3 August 2017 at 00:18:38 UTC, Andrej Mitrovic wrote: Is there a single person who's the main maintainer of the D website..? If not, I have some ideas on how to improve it. Not just ideas, I'd like to give a host at improving it myself, really. Have a look at "python.org". 2nd language in PYPL, 5th at TIOBE... Maybe there are some good things on this website that could be transposed to "dlang.org", like : - "easy to learn" - "easy to use" - simple examples - etc...
Re: Who maintains the D website?
On Friday, 4 August 2017 at 00:47:30 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer
wrote:
[...]
Note, NNTP supports deleting your posts, I've done it before
(on this site). It would be nice if the forum software detected
that as well (maybe it does?).
-Steve
What might also be nice is a forum section that mirrors questions
tagged with "d" or "dlang" on stackoverflow.
https://isocpp.org/ has something like this on their page under
("Selected Recent C++ Questions"). The title seems to suggest
human intervention, but I imagine such a thing could be automated.
Re: Who maintains the D website?
On Thursday, 3 August 2017 at 23:28:36 UTC, 12345swordy wrote: Can we gain the ability to edit our own post? I typically make some grammar/spelling mistacks here and there and it would be nice for me to fix this. Yes, I would like to add an optional edit window before forum posts are sent off to NNTP/email in the next forum update.
Re: Who maintains the D website?
On Friday, 4 August 2017 at 06:08:04 UTC, captaindet wrote: i see you didn't hold your horses... not sure if i should reply again to such an angry rant. i will stay calm and focused though. [...] so i give you that. unfortunately, your long rant offers no other argument. however, the editing part is not a biggy. don't be ashamed of the little typo. everything else: i see this NG as some sort of public conversation. be nice, and if you got something wrong then heck, that's life, ppl are wrong all the time. own it - or are you that insecure? however, if you travel back in time and edit your post, you potentially break the rest of the conversation and ppl reading the thread later will not understand what the other participants responded to your post. That why we have edit history. Alex
Re: Who maintains the D website?
On 8/4/17 6:39 AM, Johnson Jones wrote: On Friday, 4 August 2017 at 09:13:33 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: On Friday, 4 August 2017 at 06:08:04 UTC, captaindet wrote: i see you didn't hold your horses... not sure if i should reply again to such an angry rant. i will stay calm and focused though. This guy has a history of insulting nearly everyone who responds to him, even those who help him, as he has just shown again in his last response to you. You can find more of his posts under the handles Mike B. Johnson and FoxyBrown. My advice to you is, if you'd like to help him, that's fine, but don't expect any sort of reasoned debate from him. Long posts in response to anything he says are a waste of your time. He just doesn't respond well to reason. Way to go Mr. Professional. You have a long way to go to grow up. You think your you can veil your attitude but it's clear you are not a professional. A real professional would simply ignore the situation... Calm down, dude. Walk it off and come back when you are feeling more chipper. This is a place for fruitful discussion, not insults. -Steve
Re: Who maintains the D website?
On Friday, 4 August 2017 at 09:13:33 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: On Friday, 4 August 2017 at 06:08:04 UTC, captaindet wrote: i see you didn't hold your horses... not sure if i should reply again to such an angry rant. i will stay calm and focused though. This guy has a history of insulting nearly everyone who responds to him, even those who help him, as he has just shown again in his last response to you. You can find more of his posts under the handles Mike B. Johnson and FoxyBrown. My advice to you is, if you'd like to help him, that's fine, but don't expect any sort of reasoned debate from him. Long posts in response to anything he says are a waste of your time. He just doesn't respond well to reason. Way to go Mr. Professional. You have a long way to go to grow up. You think your you can veil your attitude but it's clear you are not a professional. A real professional would simply ignore the situation... And if you note, I only have a problems with a few people here. Mainly you and a one or two others... people that think they can write the shittiest software and how it effects others is of no importance. Instead of giving 100%, it's ok to give 25% and reap the benefits while others suffer the consequences. That attitude is BS and as long as you have it I will offend the fuck out of you all I want. If you don't like it simply ignore me, ban me(if you can), or do whatever you want. Until you grow up and stop acting like you are god I won't. You wanna preach but you don't wanna be preached to. I can take your BS but you can't take mine. It's a two way street... and until you can captain retard get that I won't play nice. There are plenty of people on here I respect. I'll give the top two: Adam Ruppe and H S Teoh. I've not seen any unprofessional nor condescending behavior from these guys. They don't pretend to know it all and don't preach their BS to others. They help the best they can and that is all they do... altruistic people. The kinda of human behavior that the world needs, not the kind that is destroying humanity(Which, you might not be at the bottom of the barrel, but your attitude is the same type that politicians, lawyers, and others have). I'm sorry if you can't grow up and act like those guys... maybe you should take notes from them and see how they act. Maybe you will stop being such an ass when you don't realize it because you think your such an intelligent person, authority, or simply too much ego... whatever it is, I'll make a point of pissing you off every time I get until you stop behaving that way. Your actions have consequences. The code you write has consequences. The "help" you give has consequences. When you stop dictating to other people how you *think* things should be and realize that it is just your opinion then we will get a long much better. Until then, later asshole.
Re: Who maintains the D website?
On Friday, 4 August 2017 at 06:08:04 UTC, captaindet wrote: i see you didn't hold your horses... not sure if i should reply again to such an angry rant. i will stay calm and focused though. This guy has a history of insulting nearly everyone who responds to him, even those who help him, as he has just shown again in his last response to you. You can find more of his posts under the handles Mike B. Johnson and FoxyBrown. My advice to you is, if you'd like to help him, that's fine, but don't expect any sort of reasoned debate from him. Long posts in response to anything he says are a waste of your time. He just doesn't respond well to reason.
Re: Who maintains the D website?
On Friday, 4 August 2017 at 06:08:04 UTC, captaindet wrote: i see you didn't hold your horses... not sure if i should reply again to such an angry rant. i will stay calm and focused though. How pathetic, you are not worth my time. Seeing how you equate accuracy with typos and insecurity shows just how ignorant you are. Go bait someone else. Sorry that your life is so pathetic... but I'm sure it's your own fault.
Re: Who maintains the D website?
i see you didn't hold your horses... not sure if i should reply again to such an angry rant. i will stay calm and focused though. It's not! I've used nntp and it crap. You cannot edit your posts, simple as that! so i give you that. unfortunately, your long rant offers no other argument. however, the editing part is not a biggy. don't be ashamed of the little typo. everything else: i see this NG as some sort of public conversation. be nice, and if you got something wrong then heck, that's life, ppl are wrong all the time. own it - or are you that insecure? however, if you travel back in time and edit your post, you potentially break the rest of the conversation and ppl reading the thread later will not understand what the other participants responded to your post. Of course, it won't happen because those in power know the outcome. You can see how nntp is dead. There are few nntp servers and most of the groups are dead and only those that used in in the past still use it. There is not a migration towards nntp but away, and that is fact... nobody would deny this. but change is not necessarily always for the better. i do understand why email clients, news readers and nntp are less popular these days, it is because of the smart phone generation of users. and this is ok for many topics. but when i am programming - and catching up with the NG, i do sit at a desktop computer and not using the power of a standalone email client or news reader, fast and configured exactly to my liking, seems rather stupid. which suggests that it is not as good as its opposition. Hence, if I'm right, and I almost surely am(surely you are not going to argue that nntp is becoming more popular, are you?) then those that think that nntp is a great thing and better than the alternatives have psychological issues with change. this NG also serves as a compendium for the D language. many posts and threads are valuable years after they have been made. as i pointed out above, the ability to arbitrarily edit your old posts and potentially render threads unintelligible is not convincing to me. again: what other "advantage" is there, what features are you missing (from the web interface)? everything but editing can potentially be added to the current web interface. just file a feature request. You can make a forum that behaves similarly(no login), customizable, or whatever else you are saying that you like about nntp. well, you cannot for me. as i generally don't allow (permanent) cookies (only the occasional session cookie), i would have to login every time. also, i have not seen a web forum yet where i can manoeuvre from post to post or topic to topic as fast as with a standalone reader that locally caches posts and threads. the only time i ever use the web interface is when i am searching/investigating an issue beyond the message cache of my reader. I personally have nothing against nntp... while it isn't great it does the job EXCEPT editing. I know people claim that editing posts causes problems but that is rarely the case and the benefits far out weight any negatives. always funny when rhetoric fails so badly - your post made it quite clear that you, personally, are extremely opposed to nntp. that is ok though, we don't have to have the same opinion. but please, remind me, what are all the many great benefits of editing posts? i gave you one big argument against. The reasons not to move forward are the same reasons [...] your exaggerations are quite amusing to read. as i have to believe that you are serious here, i gracefully refrain from commenting. /det -- "just take it easy man." [the dude]
Re: Who maintains the D website?
On Friday, 4 August 2017 at 00:52:34 UTC, captaindet wrote: On 2017-08-04 12:13, Johnson Jones wrote: No, sorry. The lead team uses nttp which is old school forum technology. They won't move in to the present and instead insist everyone else stay in the past with them. It's sort of like those guys that drive 1970's camaro's because they think it makes them look cool. I'm sure it's a psychological condition but not much can be done about it. hold your horses! quite a number of users incl myself prefer nttp. nice as the forum web interface is, following a newsgroup with a newsgroup reader like eg the thunderbird built-in is way more comfortable, you should try it one day. eg: you don't have to sign in, can reply immediately, you can customize display/behaviour more thoroughly to your liking, and more. /det It's not! I've used nntp and it crap. You cannot edit your posts, simple as that! You can claim all you want that your method is better but it doesn't make it so. Just based on human nature and the fact that you are saying with an ancient archaic system suggests it's all based in fear of change. The sad part about this is that it forces everyone else to stay in the same broken system. How about this: Dlang.org keeps the old interface like nntp and adds a new one. Anyone that wants to continue to use the old one can and those that one to use the new one can. In a year we can see which one is the most popular and let everyone decide rather than a few old crusty goats. Of course, it won't happen because those in power know the outcome. You can see how nntp is dead. There are few nntp servers and most of the groups are dead and only those that used in in the past still use it. There is not a migration towards nntp but away, and that is fact... which suggests that it is not as good as its opposition. Hence, if I'm right, and I almost surely am(surely you are not going to argue that nntp is becoming more popular, are you?) then those that think that nntp is a great thing and better than the alternatives have psychological issues with change. You can make a forum that behaves similarly(no login), customizable, or whatever else you are saying that you like about nntp. In fact, someone could write a nntp like interface for the forum in D just so to please you guys. I personally have nothing against nntp... while it isn't great it does the job EXCEPT editing. I know people claim that editing posts causes problems but that is rarely the case and the benefits far out weight any negatives. The reasons not to move forward are the same reasons that plague humans in many other areas and it is all psychological/evolutionary reasons rather than based on logic and facts. Familiarity is a prime factor. Many humans, specially older ones, fear change because it is unfamiliar and unknown. Those factors are the same that are at play here and it is unfortunate because I imagine there would be a lot more younger users that have the motivation to help D gain traction that do not participate because they feel like it is a step backwards rather than forwards. One day all the old fogies will die and nntp will be gone.. and some young kid interested in D will start a modern D forum and maybe D will get back on track. Think of it this way: D claims to be this sort of futuristic compiler(it can do thinks "light years" ahead of most other compilers...) yet it uses communications methods that are 50 years old. That's a bit contradictory. It's like a young pretty woman who dresses like a skank and wears so much make up that it makes her look 20 years older than what she is. While she might think she looks good, the people that actually look at her think otherwise. This is sorta what happens with D. It's amazing in some ways but has so much baggage in so many areas that many people are not going to waste their time. The D community can be delusional all they want, but it just works against them instead of allowing D to really shine.
Re: Who maintains the D website?
On 2017-08-04 12:13, Johnson Jones wrote: No, sorry. The lead team uses nttp which is old school forum technology. They won't move in to the present and instead insist everyone else stay in the past with them. It's sort of like those guys that drive 1970's camaro's because they think it makes them look cool. I'm sure it's a psychological condition but not much can be done about it. hold your horses! quite a number of users incl myself prefer nttp. nice as the forum web interface is, following a newsgroup with a newsgroup reader like eg the thunderbird built-in is way more comfortable, you should try it one day. eg: you don't have to sign in, can reply immediately, you can customize display/behaviour more thoroughly to your liking, and more. /det
Re: Who maintains the D website?
On 8/3/17 8:13 PM, Johnson Jones wrote: On Thursday, 3 August 2017 at 23:28:36 UTC, 12345swordy wrote: On Thursday, 3 August 2017 at 00:18:38 UTC, Andrej Mitrovic wrote: Is there a single person who's the main maintainer of the D website..? If not, I have some ideas on how to improve it. Not just ideas, I'd like to give a host at improving it myself, really. Can we gain the ability to edit our own post? I typically make some grammar/spelling mistacks here and there and it would be nice for me to fix this. Haha, did you make this mistack on purpose? No, sorry. The lead team uses nttp which is old school forum technology. They won't move in to the present and instead insist everyone else stay in the past with them. It's sort of like those guys that drive 1970's camaro's because they think it makes them look cool. I'm sure it's a psychological condition but not much can be done about it. You can take my NNTP support from my cold dead hands. Why should I have to give this up? Some old codgers even use crusty old mailing lists I've heard. Note, NNTP supports deleting your posts, I've done it before (on this site). It would be nice if the forum software detected that as well (maybe it does?). -Steve
Re: Who maintains the D website?
On Thursday, 3 August 2017 at 23:28:36 UTC, 12345swordy wrote: On Thursday, 3 August 2017 at 00:18:38 UTC, Andrej Mitrovic wrote: Is there a single person who's the main maintainer of the D website..? If not, I have some ideas on how to improve it. Not just ideas, I'd like to give a host at improving it myself, really. Can we gain the ability to edit our own post? I typically make some grammar/spelling mistacks here and there and it would be nice for me to fix this. No, sorry. The lead team uses nttp which is old school forum technology. They won't move in to the present and instead insist everyone else stay in the past with them. It's sort of like those guys that drive 1970's camaro's because they think it makes them look cool. I'm sure it's a psychological condition but not much can be done about it.
Re: Who maintains the D website?
On Thursday, 3 August 2017 at 00:18:38 UTC, Andrej Mitrovic wrote: Is there a single person who's the main maintainer of the D website..? If not, I have some ideas on how to improve it. Not just ideas, I'd like to give a host at improving it myself, really. Can we gain the ability to edit our own post? I typically make some grammar/spelling mistacks here and there and it would be nice for me to fix this.
Re: Who maintains the D website?
On 08/02/2017 08:18 PM, Andrej Mitrovic wrote: Is there a single person who's the main maintainer of the D website..? If not, I have some ideas on how to improve it. Not just ideas, I'd like to give a host at improving it myself, really. The primary contact for the website is Vladimir. -- Andrei
Re: Who maintains the D website?
On Thursday, 3 August 2017 at 00:48:41 UTC, Andrej Mitrovic wrote: On Thursday, 3 August 2017 at 00:26:31 UTC, Moritz Maxeiner wrote: On Thursday, 3 August 2017 at 00:18:38 UTC, Andrej Mitrovic wrote: Is there a single person who's the main maintainer of the D website..? If not, I have some ideas on how to improve it. Not just ideas, I'd like to give a host at improving it myself, really. AFAIK the website is maintained via git here [1]. If you want to improve something, you can create a PR / open an issue there. [1] https://github.com/dlang/dlang.org Oh, I get that much. But I was wondering if there was a webmaster who approve disapproved changes to the site. I don't think so, technically anyone with write access can toggle auto merge (IIRC), but if the changes are non-trivial there's likely going to be a discussion on the PR first
Re: Who maintains the D website?
On Thursday, 3 August 2017 at 00:48:41 UTC, Andrej Mitrovic wrote: On Thursday, 3 August 2017 at 00:26:31 UTC, Moritz Maxeiner wrote: On Thursday, 3 August 2017 at 00:18:38 UTC, Andrej Mitrovic wrote: Is there a single person who's the main maintainer of the D website..? If not, I have some ideas on how to improve it. Not just ideas, I'd like to give a host at improving it myself, really. AFAIK the website is maintained via git here [1]. If you want to improve something, you can create a PR / open an issue there. [1] https://github.com/dlang/dlang.org Oh, I get that much. But I was wondering if there was a webmaster who approve disapproved changes to the site. Sorry, bad typos here. I meant a webmaster who approved /or/ disapproved changes to the website.
Re: Who maintains the D website?
On Thursday, 3 August 2017 at 00:26:31 UTC, Moritz Maxeiner wrote: On Thursday, 3 August 2017 at 00:18:38 UTC, Andrej Mitrovic wrote: Is there a single person who's the main maintainer of the D website..? If not, I have some ideas on how to improve it. Not just ideas, I'd like to give a host at improving it myself, really. AFAIK the website is maintained via git here [1]. If you want to improve something, you can create a PR / open an issue there. [1] https://github.com/dlang/dlang.org Oh, I get that much. But I was wondering if there was a webmaster who approve disapproved changes to the site. Anyway, I'll come up with something new soon and share it with W, I really think the website could use a better presentation.
Re: Who maintains the D website?
On Thursday, 3 August 2017 at 00:18:38 UTC, Andrej Mitrovic wrote: Is there a single person who's the main maintainer of the D website..? If not, I have some ideas on how to improve it. Not just ideas, I'd like to give a host at improving it myself, really. AFAIK the website is maintained via git here [1]. If you want to improve something, you can create a PR / open an issue there. [1] https://github.com/dlang/dlang.org
Re: Who maintains the D website?
On Thursday, 3 August 2017 at 00:18:38 UTC, Andrej Mitrovic wrote: Is there a single person who's the main maintainer of the D website..? If not, I have some ideas on how to improve it. Not just ideas, I'd like to give a host at improving it myself, really. Sorry that was a weird typo. I meant, I'd like to give a try at improving it myself.
Who maintains the D website?
Is there a single person who's the main maintainer of the D website..? If not, I have some ideas on how to improve it. Not just ideas, I'd like to give a host at improving it myself, really.
