Re: Hunt framework 1.0.0 released
On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 at 13:54:25 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: On 6/5/18 3:25 AM, Brian wrote: source code in github https://github.com/huntlabs/hunt/ documents in wiki https://github.com/huntlabs/hunt/wiki/ hunt framework website http://www.huntframework.com/ Is there a way to view your website in English? I found a popup on the bottom that has "English" as a selection, but it doesn't do anything. -Steve We're going to rebuild site with hunt 1.0, use English as the default language.
Re: GitHub could be acquired by Microsoft
On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 at 17:12:00 UTC, Apocalypto wrote: On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 at 16:12:25 UTC, RalphBa wrote: Did you ever have the need to write something efficient? .NET is a sandbox for children and UX people. Oh yeah, toy applications for children like StackOverflow, Siemens NX, Solidworks, most of the Azure platform, MSSQL and Visual Studio just to name a few. Even a toy compiler like Roslyn. Don't be surprised if github will run someday on top of the .net platform. Welcome to the children playground! This take on Microsoft is really ridiculous. I hope it's all just for fun. I've been using Linux 100% for years and it's really ridiculous seeing comments about Microsoft being some evil company. Beating competition with alternative product is everywhere...Google took over from Yahoo, Github from Rosetta and Co, Facebook from others,...its all competition in business. These people who complain don't usually contribute a penny to Open source. Frankly, Microsoft has done great things for the world with software. Making computers accessible to everyone... They recently came out with VS Code which is better than any existing open source alternative...even though it uses same technology as atom and bracket text editor. Really, Microsoft write high quality software... proprietary or open source. They contribute to Linux and other tools. There's the major contributor to open source. Github is a for-profit company so of course i would expect to make profit too if I bought it. Your employer doesn't pay you with leaves. That money comes from commercialization. Developers must eat. I think some only look at what happened during Steve Balmer's time as ceo. It was "HIS" strategy to pick on Linux. In fact, he pick on Apple too and several other competing products. Its all marketing and competition and its pretty much everywhere. Monopoly and patent registration is everywhere. I'm not saying its a good thing or bad,...Its not just Microsoft. If you're don't trust Microsoft, you shouldn't trust any commercial company. Microsoft has changed business model too by embracing open source. In fact, their the real believers in open source now compared to those who don't think theirs money in open source.
Re: SecureD moving to GitLab
On Tuesday, June 05, 2018 19:15:12 biocyberman via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: > On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 at 11:09:31 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: > > [...] > > Very informative. I don't live in the US, but this gives me a > feeling of how tough life can be over there for everyone, except > lawyers. Fortunately, it's not usually a problem, but it's something that any programmer who writes code in their free time has to be aware of. In most cases, if you have a reasonable employer, you can do whatever programming you want in your free time so long as it's not related to what you work on at work. But it is occasionally a problem. - Jonathan M Davis
Re: SecureD moving to GitLab
On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 at 11:09:31 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: [...] Very informative. I don't live in the US, but this gives me a feeling of how tough life can be over there for everyone, except lawyers.
Re: GitHub could be acquired by Microsoft
On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 at 16:12:25 UTC, RalphBa wrote: Did you ever have the need to write something efficient? .NET is a sandbox for children and UX people. Oh yeah, toy applications for children like StackOverflow, Siemens NX, Solidworks, most of the Azure platform, MSSQL and Visual Studio just to name a few. Even a toy compiler like Roslyn. Don't be surprised if github will run someday on top of the .net platform. Welcome to the children playground!
Re: SecureD moving to GitLab
On Tue, Jun 05, 2018 at 06:55:42AM +, Joakim via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: > On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 at 06:45:48 UTC, Adam Wilson wrote: > > Hello Fellow D'ers, > > > > As some of you know I work for Microsoft. And as a result of the > > recent acquisition of GitHub by Microsoft, I have decided, out of an > > abundance of caution, to move all of my projects that currently > > reside on GitHub to GitLab. > > > > [...] > > This reads like a joke, why would it matter if you contributed to open > source projects on an open platform that your employer runs? Remember this phrase: conflict of interest. It can land you in serious legal trouble when it involves your employer. T -- If it's green, it's biology, If it stinks, it's chemistry, If it has numbers it's math, If it doesn't work, it's technology.
Re: GitHub could be acquired by Microsoft
On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 at 16:12:25 UTC, RalphBa wrote: Of course it had to be losing money..how else would they have convinced everyone it need to be aquired? That's long term Now which company has done more for software development, besides Microsoft? GNU... oh sorry, you are speaking about companies... Sun... ok, open and free software isn't really compatible with making money. Best argument why to leave GitHub if you do such kind of software. Mostly closed source proprietary, sure, but still...(and that's changed a lot now!) Well, changed... you really belive them? And mind, open source doesn't imply open and free software, only vice versa. How young are you to not knowing M$ better? I'm sure MS Linux will come out soon .. someone has to compete with Ubuntu. Still M$, still noone essential who will use it... and if only to make a point. And sure, MS stopped a lot of other developers/apps from competing ...but hey, that's business...what else can we expect (from any for-profit, shareholder company). Up there... I wrote something of incompatible, so no not expecting anything else. Thats exactly the point. C# - Windows Forms - Database integration - anyone? I still program with them ;-) If I tried doing any one of my 'windows forms apps' on any open source solution/platform, the productivity loss alone would be immense. Did you ever have the need to write something efficient? .NET is a sandbox for children and UX people. And yes I know what I'm speaking about... not only up to 4.0 what by the way should lack support and security fixes in the meantime, but as XP user you are common to. I hate cloud! Dump the tablet and mobile, and bring back the pc ( running Windows XP 64 bit, or course - where admin means admin!). Let me try to correct you, you hate centralised clouds. There is another concept of cloud even it isn't that far yet. But I'm pretty sure it will once solve the dilamma that stuff can be infiltrated/bought in one big chunk. Or the one that it has to be financed by one Organisation. BR Ralph Nothing wrong with the cloud. The past few companies Ive worked for (small) have used AWS and Azure. Not managing servers and services make it easy for small companies. For instance we use Beanstalk, ECS, Cloudfront, RDS, ElasticCache, Lambda, SQS, and SNS at my current job. With only 5 employees this would be a pain to deal with on own and the cost is about 1000/month for us. Sure we could have our own servers in a datacenter but then that just brings even more headache and the cost would be more than AWS. I agree that large companies serving vast amounts of the internet is not a good thing but the times we live in.
Re: GitHub could be acquired by Microsoft
Of course it had to be losing money..how else would they have convinced everyone it need to be aquired? That's long term Now which company has done more for software development, besides Microsoft? GNU... oh sorry, you are speaking about companies... Sun... ok, open and free software isn't really compatible with making money. Best argument why to leave GitHub if you do such kind of software. Mostly closed source proprietary, sure, but still...(and that's changed a lot now!) Well, changed... you really belive them? And mind, open source doesn't imply open and free software, only vice versa. How young are you to not knowing M$ better? I'm sure MS Linux will come out soon .. someone has to compete with Ubuntu. Still M$, still noone essential who will use it... and if only to make a point. And sure, MS stopped a lot of other developers/apps from competing ...but hey, that's business...what else can we expect (from any for-profit, shareholder company). Up there... I wrote something of incompatible, so no not expecting anything else. Thats exactly the point. C# - Windows Forms - Database integration - anyone? I still program with them ;-) If I tried doing any one of my 'windows forms apps' on any open source solution/platform, the productivity loss alone would be immense. Did you ever have the need to write something efficient? .NET is a sandbox for children and UX people. And yes I know what I'm speaking about... not only up to 4.0 what by the way should lack support and security fixes in the meantime, but as XP user you are common to. I hate cloud! Dump the tablet and mobile, and bring back the pc ( running Windows XP 64 bit, or course - where admin means admin!). Let me try to correct you, you hate centralised clouds. There is another concept of cloud even it isn't that far yet. But I'm pretty sure it will once solve the dilamma that stuff can be infiltrated/bought in one big chunk. Or the one that it has to be financed by one Organisation. BR Ralph
Re: Driving Continuous Improvement in D
05.06.2018 17:00, Steven Schveighoffer пишет: To clarify a bit, complicated or controversial changes that are likely to be delayed or stalled, should be split from simple doc changes if it turns out it's not going to be pulled anytime soon. But normally, adding fixes for docs I would think is fine. -Steve Adding fixes for docs is fine for me too. I just don't like mixing unrelated changes in a commit. But nevertheless I did it. The world isn't ideal)
Re: SecureD moving to GitLab
On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 at 06:55:42 UTC, Joakim wrote: On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 at 06:45:48 UTC, Adam Wilson wrote: Hello Fellow D'ers, As some of you know I work for Microsoft. And as a result of the recent acquisition of GitHub by Microsoft, I have decided, out of an abundance of caution, to move all of my projects that currently reside on GitHub to GitLab. [...] This reads like a joke, why would it matter if you contributed to open source projects on an open platform that your employer runs? I think it's the case of possible "use of company assets for non work related purposes", even if Github still remains open for everyone.
Re: Driving Continuous Improvement in D
On 6/5/18 9:58 AM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: On 6/5/18 3:20 AM, drug wrote: 04.06.2018 21:08, Steven Schveighoffer пишет: On 6/4/18 1:51 PM, Joakim wrote: On Monday, 4 June 2018 at 15:52:24 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: On 6/2/18 3:23 AM, Mike Parker wrote: [...] I like the article, but was taken aback a bit by this quote: "for example, a PR to fix a bug in a specific piece of code mustn’t also edit the documentation of that function." [...] I think he was talking about _unrelated_ doc changes. Well, how unrelated? If, for instance, you are changing the docs to accommodate the new code, and notice a typo, I would be fine with fixing that, and have even ASKED for that. I guess I need a bigger clarification, as the way it reads is that we require people split their doc changes from their code changes, and that simply hasn't been the case. But what if your commit with this typo would be reverted? Then you lost your typo fix too. Then you fix the typo again? Reverts don't happen enough to justify this concern. To clarify a bit, complicated or controversial changes that are likely to be delayed or stalled, should be split from simple doc changes if it turns out it's not going to be pulled anytime soon. But normally, adding fixes for docs I would think is fine. -Steve
Re: Driving Continuous Improvement in D
On 6/5/18 3:20 AM, drug wrote: 04.06.2018 21:08, Steven Schveighoffer пишет: On 6/4/18 1:51 PM, Joakim wrote: On Monday, 4 June 2018 at 15:52:24 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: On 6/2/18 3:23 AM, Mike Parker wrote: [...] I like the article, but was taken aback a bit by this quote: "for example, a PR to fix a bug in a specific piece of code mustn’t also edit the documentation of that function." [...] I think he was talking about _unrelated_ doc changes. Well, how unrelated? If, for instance, you are changing the docs to accommodate the new code, and notice a typo, I would be fine with fixing that, and have even ASKED for that. I guess I need a bigger clarification, as the way it reads is that we require people split their doc changes from their code changes, and that simply hasn't been the case. But what if your commit with this typo would be reverted? Then you lost your typo fix too. Then you fix the typo again? Reverts don't happen enough to justify this concern. -Steve
Re: Hunt framework 1.0.0 released
On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 3:54 PM, Steven Schveighoffer via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: > On 6/5/18 3:25 AM, Brian wrote: > > source code in github https://github.com/huntlabs/hunt/ >> documents in wiki https://github.com/huntlabs/hunt/wiki/ >> hunt framework website http://www.huntframework.com/ >> > > Is there a way to view your website in English? I found a popup on the > bottom that has "English" as a selection, but it doesn't do anything. > > -Steve > https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1=cs=translate.google.com=zh-CN=nmt4=en=http://www.huntframework.com/=17259,152,15700022,15700124,15700149,15700168,15700173,15700186,15700191,15700201=ALkJrhiSdndhn6w5ujhGrkPtuxcHYpZFfA
Re: Hunt framework 1.0.0 released
On 6/5/18 3:25 AM, Brian wrote: source code in github https://github.com/huntlabs/hunt/ documents in wiki https://github.com/huntlabs/hunt/wiki/ hunt framework website http://www.huntframework.com/ Is there a way to view your website in English? I found a popup on the bottom that has "English" as a selection, but it doesn't do anything. -Steve
Re: Hunt framework 1.0.0 released
On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 at 07:25:33 UTC, Brian wrote: We are pleased to announce an official version of hunt 1.0 , This is an important milestone release! [...] /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lmysqlclient collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status Error: linker exited with status 1
Re: GitHub could be acquired by Microsoft
On Monday, 4 June 2018 at 20:00:45 UTC, Maksim Fomin wrote: Just as rough estimate: to support $7.5 bl valuation Microsoft must turn -$30 ml. net loss company into business generating around $750 ml. for many years. There is no way to get these money from the market. Alternatively, the project can have payoff if something is broken and Microsoft cash flows increase by $750 ml. This is more likely... MS aims for cloud market, and github is a strategic asset there, as long as it helps the cloud business, it doesn't matter that github in isolation is not profitable. After MS takes over webdev and monopolizes the cloud market they can pull effective management again, but it will be a long way to go, but webdev being webdev can make it a little shorter. They were already kicked out of mobile market, it was reasonably unexpected, but it doesn't look like they plan to fall for it again.
Re: GitHub could be acquired by Microsoft
On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 at 03:53:31 UTC, Adam Wilson wrote: GitHub has not been profitable for years and is thought to have had cash reserves for only one or two more months of operations. Losing GitHub entirely overnight would have been an unmitigated disaster for the entire Open-Source community. Of course it had to be losing money..how else would they have convinced everyone it need to be aquired? That's long term business strategy at work ;-) And there are fates worse than death. Imagine for a second GitHub at Google or ... *shudder* Oracle. Whatever your opinions about Microsoft, you cannot possible imagine that either of those outcomes would have been qualitatively better. In that sense Microsoft was the best of the bad options GitHub. 'best of the bad options'? Now which company has done more for software development, besides Microsoft? Mostly closed source proprietary, sure, but still...(and that's changed a lot now!) I'm sure MS Linux will come out soon .. someone has to compete with Ubuntu. And sure, MS stopped a lot of other developers/apps from competing ...but hey, that's business...what else can we expect (from any for-profit, shareholder company). C# - Windows Forms - Database integration - anyone? I still program with them ;-) If I tried doing any one of my 'windows forms apps' on any open source solution/platform, the productivity loss alone would be immense. I also remember when I was programming DOS gui apps back in the early nineties - using Visual Basic 1.0 for DOS - it was just amazing how easy it was (even though it never caught on, cause Windows was about to become the next big thing.) Try doing those apps in Borland Cjeessseses...! MS have done more for software developers, than anyone, in my opinion. Now I'm not a fan of the MS cloud push at all, but for high productivity development tools and sophisticated applications, MS were always hard to beat. That is, until Windows 8 came out.. then it all went backwards...now its all that html javascript crap! or stupid useless apps on the ms apps store - or that god awful monstrosity that VS studio has become!! (I'm still on VS2010, using C# 4.0 and Windows Forms...and I'm not moving!) No doubt Github will just be integrated into their overall crappy vision of their cloud future... I hate cloud! Dump the tablet and mobile, and bring back the pc ( running Windows XP 64 bit, or course - where admin means admin!).
Re: SecureD moving to GitLab
On Tuesday, June 05, 2018 10:34:54 ExportThis via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: > On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 at 06:55:42 UTC, Joakim wrote: > > This reads like a joke, why would it matter if you contributed > > to open source projects on an open platform that your employer > > runs? > > If you read between the lines, you can 'kinda' get the message. > > A Microsoft employee. > A Microsoft platform. > Encryption. > U.S Export Controls. > > How they all come together is anyones guess though ;-) > > That's why we have lawyers. Given that he works on SecureD, that could be part of it, but I don't think that exporting encryption is the problem that it once was in the US, and I'd think that the issue was more likely related to what Microsoft can claim to own. In general in the US, if your employer can claim that what you're doing in your free time is related to what you do for work, then they can claim that they own it. And if you're in a state with fewer employee protections, they can even claim to own everything you do in your free time regardless of whether it really has anything to do with any company intellectual property (e.g. a coworker at a previous company told me of a coworker who had gone to work at Bloomberg in NY after the division he was in was laid off, but he quit Bloomberg soon therefafter, because Bloomberg was going to claim to own everything he did in his free time - and he was a Linux kernel developer, so that would have caused serious problems for him). What paperwork you signed for your employer can also affect this. So, the exact situation you're in can vary wildly depending on where you live, who you work for, what exactly you do at work, and what exactly you do in your free time. If you want to sort out exactly what situation you're in, you do potentially need to see a lawyer about it. That whole set of issues may or may not be why Adam is moving his stuff to gitlab, but it does mean that you have to tread carefully when doing anything that relates at all to your employer or what you do for work. So, I can easily see it as a good idea to avoid doing anything in your free time with a site that is owned or operated by your employer. It may or may not actually be necessary, but playing it safe can avoid legal problems down the road, and typically, employees are going to have a _very_ hard time winning against employers in court, even if the employee is clearly in the right, simply because the legal fees stand a good chance of destroying the employee financially, whereas the employer can typically afford it. You simply don't want to be in a situation where your employer ever might try and do anything to you with the legal system - and of course, you don't want to be in a position where your employer fires you. So, an abundance of caution is sometimes warranted even if it arguably shouldn't need to be. - Jonathan M Davis
Re: GitHub could be acquired by Microsoft
On Monday, 4 June 2018 at 19:06:52 UTC, Maksim Fomin wrote: My second reaction after reading news (after shock) was to visit D forum. Same here! I was off for a few days and found out today on GitHub [1], and then I remembered the thread header talking about GitLab. I'm skeptical to say the least. I still remember how difficult it was to use Skype after it had been bought by MS. I dunno what's behind it. Polishing up their image, trying to get the copyright for all the code on GitHub, killing off OSS, or all of the above ;) MS have certainly missed a lot of stuff over the last couple of years, stuff that came out of or was based on the OSS community. Search engines, the success of Java, Android and the mobile phone market in general, social media etc. People will create and move to new platforms, simply because they don't like the thought of MS hosting their code (same goes for Google or Oracle). They will move to platforms made by their fellow programmers. Now, this will take some time and GitHub will do business as usual for at least a year. But the rot will set in sooner or later, I think. [1] e.g. https://blog.github.com/2018-06-04-github-microsoft/
Re: SecureD moving to GitLab
On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 at 06:55:42 UTC, Joakim wrote: This reads like a joke, why would it matter if you contributed to open source projects on an open platform that your employer runs? If you read between the lines, you can 'kinda' get the message. A Microsoft employee. A Microsoft platform. Encryption. U.S Export Controls. How they all come together is anyones guess though ;-) That's why we have lawyers.
Re: Hunt framework 1.0.0 released
On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 at 08:17:30 UTC, Per Nordlöw wrote: On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 at 07:25:33 UTC, Brian wrote: We are pleased to announce an official version of hunt 1.0 , How is Hunt different from Vibe? Thanks your question :) Vibe.d like vert.x in java! It's an library. Hunt like spring boot in java! Hunt is an web framework.
Re: Hunt framework 1.0.0 released
On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 at 07:54:49 UTC, WebFreak001 wrote: On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 at 07:25:33 UTC, Brian wrote: We are pleased to announce an official version of hunt 1.0 , This is an important milestone release! [...] cool! Is the hunt-skeleton always stable? I can add it as template to the code-d templates, I think it will make it a lot easier to get into. Very cool! We keep the hunt-skeleton stable :)
Re: Hunt framework 1.0.0 released
On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 at 07:25:33 UTC, Brian wrote: We are pleased to announce an official version of hunt 1.0 , How is Hunt different from Vibe?
Re: Hunt framework 1.0.0 released
On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 at 07:54:49 UTC, WebFreak001 wrote: On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 at 07:25:33 UTC, Brian wrote: We are pleased to announce an official version of hunt 1.0 , This is an important milestone release! [...] cool! Is the hunt-skeleton always stable? I can add it as template to the code-d templates, I think it will make it a lot easier to get into. Maybe, more templates can be added like hunt with boostrap 4, hunt with Ract.js and hunt with Angular etc.
Re: Hunt framework 1.0.0 released
On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 at 07:25:33 UTC, Brian wrote: We are pleased to announce an official version of hunt 1.0 , This is an important milestone release! [...] cool! Is the hunt-skeleton always stable? I can add it as template to the code-d templates, I think it will make it a lot easier to get into.
Re: SecureD moving to GitLab
On 06/05/2018 12:28 AM, Brian wrote: On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 at 06:55:42 UTC, Joakim wrote: On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 at 06:45:48 UTC, Adam Wilson wrote: Hello Fellow D'ers, As some of you know I work for Microsoft. And as a result of the recent acquisition of GitHub by Microsoft, I have decided, out of an abundance of caution, to move all of my projects that currently reside on GitHub to GitLab. [...] This reads like a joke, why would it matter if you contributed to open source projects on an open platform that your employer runs? Yes! We support Github. Note that I am not saying that this is bad move for Microsoft of GitHub. Elsewhere on these forums I have defended the move as the best possible outcome for GitHub. -- Adam Wilson IRC: LightBender import quiet.dlang.dev;
Hunt framework 1.0.0 released
We are pleased to announce an official version of hunt 1.0 , This is an important milestone release! Features: * enhancement Action & Controller * rebuild application config * support static wwwroot/ path, config item is hunt.http.path * redefine Route regex rule * upgrade Entity to 1.4.2 * add Repository module, like spring boot 2 Repository * add second level cache * enhancement collie http api * redesign template engine ( like Django jinja2 & Symfony twig ) * improvement Session module * improvement Cookie module * improvement Request API * improvement Response API * improvement Middleware * use kiss.logger module * use kiss.net module source code in github https://github.com/huntlabs/hunt/ documents in wiki https://github.com/huntlabs/hunt/wiki/ hunt framework website http://www.huntframework.com/ use hunt framework: ```bash git clone https://github.com/huntlabs/hunt-skeleton.git cd hunt-skeleton/ dub run -v ``` look for your browser: http://localhost:8080/
Re: SecureD moving to GitLab
On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 at 06:55:42 UTC, Joakim wrote: On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 at 06:45:48 UTC, Adam Wilson wrote: Hello Fellow D'ers, As some of you know I work for Microsoft. And as a result of the recent acquisition of GitHub by Microsoft, I have decided, out of an abundance of caution, to move all of my projects that currently reside on GitHub to GitLab. [...] This reads like a joke, why would it matter if you contributed to open source projects on an open platform that your employer runs? Yes! We support Github.
Re: Driving Continuous Improvement in D
04.06.2018 21:08, Steven Schveighoffer пишет: On 6/4/18 1:51 PM, Joakim wrote: On Monday, 4 June 2018 at 15:52:24 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: On 6/2/18 3:23 AM, Mike Parker wrote: [...] I like the article, but was taken aback a bit by this quote: "for example, a PR to fix a bug in a specific piece of code mustn’t also edit the documentation of that function." [...] I think he was talking about _unrelated_ doc changes. Well, how unrelated? If, for instance, you are changing the docs to accommodate the new code, and notice a typo, I would be fine with fixing that, and have even ASKED for that. I guess I need a bigger clarification, as the way it reads is that we require people split their doc changes from their code changes, and that simply hasn't been the case. -Steve But what if your commit with this typo would be reverted? Then you lost your typo fix too.
Re: SecureD moving to GitLab
On 06/04/2018 11:55 PM, Joakim wrote: On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 at 06:45:48 UTC, Adam Wilson wrote: Hello Fellow D'ers, As some of you know I work for Microsoft. And as a result of the recent acquisition of GitHub by Microsoft, I have decided, out of an abundance of caution, to move all of my projects that currently reside on GitHub to GitLab. [...] This reads like a joke, why would it matter if you contributed to open source projects on an open platform that your employer runs? And this reads like someone who has never talked to a lawyer. :) I am intentionally keeping this ambiguous as possible so that others don't try to take this as legal advice. I'm guessing you live somewhere outside the US? For reference, I do live in the US. -- Adam Wilson IRC: LightBender import quiet.dlang.dev;
Re: GitHub could be acquired by Microsoft
On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 at 06:50:41 UTC, Adam Wilson wrote: On 06/04/2018 11:46 PM, RalphBa wrote: Sorry to hear that. Since I do not belive Microsoft changed perspective and am convinced they still see open source as cancer I need to assume they try to inflitrate the OSS community the last years. So for sure I won't rely on their stuff. So is there a chance Digital Mars and D main development is getting bought by Microsoft? BR Ralph They have C++ and C#. What do they need D for? C# yes... they have. C++ they have just the windows world which is just a small part of the C++ ecosystem. The rest is mostly shared between GNU Compilers and LLVM. Well, gladly LLVM also play D now, so even a takeover from M$ might not lead to more but in worst case a fork. So if DM is in a "we would do such deal" mood, it would be wise for the D community to bet on ldc. Also I hope GDC will see a revival one day.
Re: SecureD moving to GitLab
On Tuesday, 5 June 2018 at 06:45:48 UTC, Adam Wilson wrote: Hello Fellow D'ers, As some of you know I work for Microsoft. And as a result of the recent acquisition of GitHub by Microsoft, I have decided, out of an abundance of caution, to move all of my projects that currently reside on GitHub to GitLab. [...] This reads like a joke, why would it matter if you contributed to open source projects on an open platform that your employer runs?
Re: GitHub could be acquired by Microsoft
On 06/04/2018 08:53 PM, Adam Wilson wrote: On 6/3/18 20:51, Anton Fediushin wrote: This is still just a rumour, we'll know the truth on Monday (which is today). Some articles about the topic: https://fossbytes.com/microsoft-github-aquisition-report/ https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/3/17422752/microsoft-github-acquisition-rumors What's your opinion about that? Will you continue using GitHub? Both GitLab and Bitbucket can be used instead to host your D projects - dub registry supported them for a while now. IMHO Microsoft isn't the type of company I want to see behind the GitHub. Maybe I am wrong since Microsoft has both money and programmers to improve it further, I just don't trust them too much which is the right thing to do when dealing with companies. This means that I will move my repositories elsewhere and use GitHub just to contribute to other projects. I've been thinking how to best respond to this and here is where I am. First, let me state up-front that I work for Microsoft (Office 365 Workplace Analytics). Second, my employer (Volometrix) prior to working for Microsoft was acquired by Microsoft almost three years ago. What that means is that while my division had no fore-warning of this acquisition I have first-hand experience with what will be happening at GitHub over the next months and years. As an employee of Microsoft I am required to follow Microsoft's policy on Social Media, which can be reduced to "If you have nothing nice to say, then say nothing at all." Or stated plainly, what follows may or may not represent the entirety of my thoughts on the matter as I am effectively barred from revealing any negative thoughts. So what I can say about this acquisition is that it is the best possible outcome of GitHub's possible futures for both the company and the employees. GitHub has not been profitable for years and is thought to have had cash reserves for only one or two more months of operations. Losing GitHub entirely overnight would have been an unmitigated disaster for the entire Open-Source community. And there are fates worse than death. Imagine for a second GitHub at Google or ... *shudder* Oracle. Whatever your opinions about Microsoft, you cannot possible imagine that either of those outcomes would have been qualitatively better. In that sense Microsoft was the best of the bad options GitHub. As to any other concerns/opinions, all I will say is ... think laterally. As a reminder I have no inside information on what goes on over in the Azure world and that is where GitHub will land as has been announced. -- Adam Wilson IRC: LightBender import quiet.dlang.dev;
Re: GitHub could be acquired by Microsoft
On 06/04/2018 11:46 PM, RalphBa wrote: Sorry to hear that. Since I do not belive Microsoft changed perspective and am convinced they still see open source as cancer I need to assume they try to inflitrate the OSS community the last years. So for sure I won't rely on their stuff. So is there a chance Digital Mars and D main development is getting bought by Microsoft? BR Ralph They have C++ and C#. What do they need D for? -- Adam Wilson IRC: LightBender import quiet.dlang.dev;
SecureD moving to GitLab
Hello Fellow D'ers, As some of you know I work for Microsoft. And as a result of the recent acquisition of GitHub by Microsoft, I have decided, out of an abundance of caution, to move all of my projects that currently reside on GitHub to GitLab. Additionally, until I cease working for Microsoft, I will no longer be contributing code to projects hosted on GitHub, including DLang and it's related projects. I will continue to contribute bug reports and post to the forums. I will post a link to the new SecureD repo on this thread and update the DUB links once I have everything setup correctly post-move. DISCLAIMER: The actions described herein are the result of my specific situation and not intended as a larger commentary on recent events. This message should not be considered legal advice in any way. Any Microsoft employees reading this thread should refer to their lawyers about their specific situation or concerns. -- Adam Wilson IRC: LightBender import quiet.dlang.dev;
Re: GitHub could be acquired by Microsoft
Sorry to hear that. Since I do not belive Microsoft changed perspective and am convinced they still see open source as cancer I need to assume they try to inflitrate the OSS community the last years. So for sure I won't rely on their stuff. So is there a chance Digital Mars and D main development is getting bought by Microsoft? BR Ralph
