Re: New DConf Blog Post
On Tuesday, 16 April 2019 at 23:12:43 UTC, aberba wrote: On Sunday, 7 April 2019 at 06:19:31 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: On Saturday, 6 April 2019 at 22:30:58 UTC, bauss wrote: The design is terrible and it really looks unprofessional. While the old site wasn't responsive, the design was at least slightly better. It just doesn't look very well done. I'm not trying to be negative or anything, but it looks like someone who just learn html/css in 1999 tried to make the design of the page. Perhaps raising money to pay an experienced web designer would be a good topic for a fundraiser later this year. Given that I don't do compiler stuff, I could take a look at it to see how I can contribute, for free. Thanks! Where is the code hosted? https://github.com/dlang/dconf.org You can find D Logos here: https://github.com/dlang-community/artwork
Re: New DConf Blog Post
On Sunday, 7 April 2019 at 06:19:31 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: On Saturday, 6 April 2019 at 22:30:58 UTC, bauss wrote: The design is terrible and it really looks unprofessional. While the old site wasn't responsive, the design was at least slightly better. It just doesn't look very well done. I'm not trying to be negative or anything, but it looks like someone who just learn html/css in 1999 tried to make the design of the page. Perhaps raising money to pay an experienced web designer would be a good topic for a fundraiser later this year. Given that I don't do compiler stuff, I could take a look at it to see how I can contribute, for free. Where is the code hosted?
Re: New DConf Blog Post
On Friday, 12 April 2019 at 17:55:28 UTC, Piotrek wrote: Coding guidelines like MISRA and AUTOSAR have been developed and matured for C++ for years. There is no equivalent for D for it to be even considered by the automotive industry. Well, MISRA is an evidance that C (C++) is quite error prone by desing. I think, D can do better, . And the lack of dedicated tools is just a consequence of shortage on funds. And I always say that the fact that C needs so many different tools (including those for AUTOSAR) is its disadventage actually (they consumes a lot of money and development time). But it is how the World works now. But who knows the furure? ;) +1
Re: New DConf Blog Post
On Saturday, 23 March 2019 at 10:09:12 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote: Thank you but this is only about software development tools. I know. But that's still a good marketing. And I'm fan of your tech talks as well. Coding guidelines like MISRA and AUTOSAR have been developed and matured for C++ for years. There is no equivalent for D for it to be even considered by the automotive industry. Well, MISRA is an evidance that C (C++) is quite error prone by desing. I think, D can do better, . And the lack of dedicated tools is just a consequence of shortage on funds. And I always say that the fact that C needs so many different tools (including those for AUTOSAR) is its disadventage actually (they consumes a lot of money and development time). But it is how the World works now. But who knows the furure? ;) Cheers, Piotrek
Re: New DConf Blog Post
On Thursday, 11 April 2019 at 16:56:27 UTC, Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa) wrote: On 4/11/19 10:11 AM, wjoe wrote: No offense, but http://motherfuckingwebsite.com/ That is the best website EVER. Times a billion. Says exactly the things I've been wanting to scream at jet-engine volume straight into the faces of every web designer and full-stacker in the world. "Responsive web" always made me cringe. HTML-freaking-version-ONE was responsive. And semantic. It was specifically *designed* to be. But then the designers and the know-nothing software managers came, hated that stuff, and killed it all with fire. Then when the sausage-finger small screens came (not to mention browser diversity and "emerging markets"), they shit a brick and started over-re-engineering everything that was already there all along (plus some extra garbage nobody needs). Idiots. Yeah, that, and it respects a browser's font and size configuration :) Visiting a web-site I often think to myself: Fail! You can still manage to read that 7pt font by attaching your eyeballs to the screen! If you don't want people to be able to read it, you should remove that text altogether! Saves you all the effort, too. These so called web designers who work s hard to find all possible ways to stop you from comfortably reading the thing with tons of useless java script "coolness" and distracting banners and drop downs and otherwise hidden information you need to find the spot to tickle to make it appear (is that a secret cry for help?) and pictures that stalk you but can't make text flow around a picture without using DIV - and then need to nail everything else in place with more DIVs. Amusing :) They can't even make normal hyperlinks work and spend tons of effort trying to imitate it with java script. Delicious :) And their white on black design which makes you see nothing but zebras for the rest of the day or so after spending 2 minutes on it...love it! :)
Re: New DConf Blog Post
On 4/11/19 10:11 AM, wjoe wrote: No offense, but http://motherfuckingwebsite.com/ That is the best website EVER. Times a billion. Says exactly the things I've been wanting to scream at jet-engine volume straight into the faces of every web designer and full-stacker in the world. "Responsive web" always made me cringe. HTML-freaking-version-ONE was responsive. And semantic. It was specifically *designed* to be. But then the designers and the know-nothing software managers came, hated that stuff, and killed it all with fire. Then when the sausage-finger small screens came (not to mention browser diversity and "emerging markets"), they shit a brick and started over-re-engineering everything that was already there all along (plus some extra garbage nobody needs). Idiots.
Re: New DConf Blog Post
On Saturday, 6 April 2019 at 22:30:58 UTC, bauss wrote: On Friday, 22 March 2019 at 13:58:01 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: The DConf schedule was announced last Sunday. I've just published a write-up about it on the blog for the world-at-large. Please help us out by sharing this post in your social media circles. The blog: https://dlang.org/blog/2019/03/22/dconf-2019-london-programme/ Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/b45bxp/dconf_2019_london_programme/ Just going to respond to this: "If you haven’t visited the site in a while, you’ll surely notice that it’s been redesigned. The old version was not responsive and was quite annoying to manipulate on small screens." The design is terrible and it really looks unprofessional. While the old site wasn't responsive, the design was at least slightly better. It just doesn't look very well done. I'm not trying to be negative or anything, but it looks like someone who just learn html/css in 1999 tried to make the design of the page. No offense, but http://motherfuckingwebsite.com/ I'd just tag a Planet-earth-with-a-green-leaf icon and a speech bubble reading "Thank you!" J/K But seriously I prefer the '19 version over the '18 one. The '18 version is super bloated and slow.
Re: [OT] Cleanest look is a UI design failure (was Re: New DConf Blog Post)
On 4/9/19 1:27 PM, Ali Çehreli wrote: On 04/09/2019 08:45 AM, Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa) wrote: > I do think a lot of > designers these days go overboard with removing as much as they can I've been setting the keyboard layout of my OS interfaces to Dvorak for 20 years. Many Windows and Linux environments included... I simply could not figure out how to do the same thing on a Windows 10 work laptop. I had to find the answer on the good old internet. It turns out, I had to click something on the screen which gave no indication of clickability. What a design failure... Yup. But I'm a little surprised it still lets you do that at all - the big trendy thing in tech these days is removing features. The minimalism obsession really has gotten out of hand. But then the tech world never really has been any good with moderation and comprehending the fallacy of "If a little of X is good, then more must always be better!" It's just one silver bullet obsession after another.
[OT] Cleanest look is a UI design failure (was Re: New DConf Blog Post)
On 04/09/2019 08:45 AM, Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa) wrote: > I do think a lot of > designers these days go overboard with removing as much as they can I've been setting the keyboard layout of my OS interfaces to Dvorak for 20 years. Many Windows and Linux environments included... I simply could not figure out how to do the same thing on a Windows 10 work laptop. I had to find the answer on the good old internet. It turns out, I had to click something on the screen which gave no indication of clickability. What a design failure... Ali
Re: New DConf Blog Post
On Monday, 8 April 2019 at 17:01:25 UTC, matheus wrote: On Monday, 8 April 2019 at 16:48:19 UTC, Seb wrote: On Monday, 8 April 2019 at 16:42:50 UTC, matheus wrote: On Sunday, 7 April 2019 at 07:03:34 UTC, bauss wrote: [...] Design is a complicated matter and thankfully I'm mostly back-end developer. [...] Please move this discussions and ideas to DFeed ;-) https://github.com/CyberShadow/DFeed Sorry this may sound weird but I don't have a github account. But if you think this could be useful please go ahead. :) Matheus. I created an issue to have your proposal persisted https://github.com/CyberShadow/DFeed/issues/108 Kind regards Andre
Re: New DConf Blog Post
On 4/8/19 12:42 PM, matheus wrote:
For example let's take this Forum (https://forum.dlang.org):
Like I said above I think this forums has an excess of borders and I'd
prefer something like this: https://i.imgur.com/OQCPojN.png than what
you have today, but this is a personal taste.
That's actually a really nice improvement, IMO. I do think a lot of
designers these days go overboard with removing as much as they can (and
forgetting the "...bot no more" part). But that mockup strikes a very
nice balance.
If anything, I'd play around with adding a slight emphasis to the column
headings ("Group", "Last Post", etc), maybe by putting them in bold. As
they are in the mockup, they tend to disappear to the mind. Took me
awhile to realize they were even still there, and that was only because
I was looking for them.
But, that is really nice overall. I'd love to see the forum adopt it.
(Although I normally use the NNTP interface, so take the opinion for
whatever it's worth.)
Re: New DConf Blog Post
On Monday, 8 April 2019 at 16:48:19 UTC, Seb wrote: On Monday, 8 April 2019 at 16:42:50 UTC, matheus wrote: On Sunday, 7 April 2019 at 07:03:34 UTC, bauss wrote: [...] Design is a complicated matter and thankfully I'm mostly back-end developer. [...] Please move this discussions and ideas to DFeed ;-) https://github.com/CyberShadow/DFeed Sorry this may sound weird but I don't have a github account. But if you think this could be useful please go ahead. :) Matheus.
Re: New DConf Blog Post
On Monday, 8 April 2019 at 16:42:50 UTC, matheus wrote: On Sunday, 7 April 2019 at 07:03:34 UTC, bauss wrote: [...] Design is a complicated matter and thankfully I'm mostly back-end developer. [...] Please move this discussions and ideas to DFeed ;-) https://github.com/CyberShadow/DFeed
Re: New DConf Blog Post
On Sunday, 7 April 2019 at 07:03:34 UTC, bauss wrote: On Sunday, 7 April 2019 at 06:19:31 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: On Saturday, 6 April 2019 at 22:30:58 UTC, bauss wrote: The design is terrible and it really looks unprofessional. While the old site wasn't responsive, the design was at least slightly better. It just doesn't look very well done. I'm not trying to be negative or anything, but it looks like someone who just learn html/css in 1999 tried to make the design of the page. Perhaps raising money to pay an experienced web designer would be a good topic for a fundraiser later this year. I think that would be a great idea. I'd tip in with some cash for that. Design is a complicated matter and thankfully I'm mostly back-end developer. But one thing that I see around here is a excess of borders in the layout which may sound dated and for me a visual pollution. For example let's take this Forum (https://forum.dlang.org): Starting with the names: D Programming Language - New users D Programming Language - Community D Programming Language - Ecosystem . . . Why "D Programming Language" + Something? I think it's pretty obvious when someone is here that they are accessing a D Programming Language Forum. Like I said above I think this forums has an excess of borders and I'd prefer something like this: https://i.imgur.com/OQCPojN.png than what you have today, but this is a personal taste. But I asked a friend who design pages for living and he agreed. In fact he said that we should get rid of "Threads, Posts" columns too, or may give a light background color according the Topic (New users, Community etc.). By the way the Forum is my main grip today when using mobile. Matheus.
Re: New DConf Blog Post
On Saturday, 6 April 2019 at 22:30:58 UTC, bauss wrote: Just going to respond to this: "If you haven’t visited the site in a while, you’ll surely notice that it’s been redesigned. The old version was not responsive and was quite annoying to manipulate on small screens." The design is terrible and it really looks unprofessional. I don't know about design, but on my MacBook on a 21:9 widescreen monitor, the font is defaulting to Arial Narrow, giving a very squished look and hard to read.
Re: New DConf Blog Post
On 4/6/19 6:30 PM, bauss wrote: Just going to respond to this: "If you haven’t visited the site in a while, you’ll surely notice that it’s been redesigned. The old version was not responsive and was quite annoying to manipulate on small screens." The design is terrible and it really looks unprofessional. While the old site wasn't responsive, the design was at least slightly better. It just doesn't look very well done. I'm not trying to be negative or anything, but it looks like someone who just learn html/css in 1999 tried to make the design of the page. Aside from perhaps an overuse of padding on the left navbar, it looks good to me. Whaddya want, a bunch of those vaguely-relevant full-screen introductory images you have to scroll past just to get to any nuggets of actual content there might be? The vast majority of "responsive" pages I've seen out there are absolutely god-awful for both aesthetics and practicality. This design is far better than any of them. Bear in mind too, that not playing an endless game of follow-the-crowd with design is a far cry from looking "terrible" or "unprofessional". Not saying there isn't room for improvement, but "The design is terrible and it really looks unprofessional." makes it seem like you're looking at completely different site than I am.
Re: New DConf Blog Post
On Sunday, 7 April 2019 at 06:19:31 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: On Saturday, 6 April 2019 at 22:30:58 UTC, bauss wrote: The design is terrible and it really looks unprofessional. While the old site wasn't responsive, the design was at least slightly better. It just doesn't look very well done. I'm not trying to be negative or anything, but it looks like someone who just learn html/css in 1999 tried to make the design of the page. Perhaps raising money to pay an experienced web designer would be a good topic for a fundraiser later this year. I think that would be a great idea. I'd tip in with some cash for that.
Re: New DConf Blog Post
On Saturday, 6 April 2019 at 22:30:58 UTC, bauss wrote: The design is terrible and it really looks unprofessional. While the old site wasn't responsive, the design was at least slightly better. It just doesn't look very well done. I'm not trying to be negative or anything, but it looks like someone who just learn html/css in 1999 tried to make the design of the page. Perhaps raising money to pay an experienced web designer would be a good topic for a fundraiser later this year.
Re: New DConf Blog Post
On Saturday, 6 April 2019 at 22:30:58 UTC, bauss wrote: Just going to respond to this: "If you haven’t visited the site in a while, you’ll surely notice that it’s been redesigned. The old version was not responsive and was quite annoying to manipulate on small screens." The design is terrible and it really looks unprofessional. While the old site wasn't responsive, the design was at least slightly better. It just doesn't look very well done. I'm not trying to be negative or anything, but it looks like someone who just learn html/css in 1999 tried to make the design of the page. Well, it takes up less browser resources than my proposal for DConf 2018 ;-) https://wilzbach.github.io/dconf18/ Source: https://github.com/wilzbach/dconf18
Re: New DConf Blog Post
On Friday, 22 March 2019 at 13:58:01 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: The DConf schedule was announced last Sunday. I've just published a write-up about it on the blog for the world-at-large. Please help us out by sharing this post in your social media circles. The blog: https://dlang.org/blog/2019/03/22/dconf-2019-london-programme/ Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/b45bxp/dconf_2019_london_programme/ Just going to respond to this: "If you haven’t visited the site in a while, you’ll surely notice that it’s been redesigned. The old version was not responsive and was quite annoying to manipulate on small screens." The design is terrible and it really looks unprofessional. While the old site wasn't responsive, the design was at least slightly better. It just doesn't look very well done. I'm not trying to be negative or anything, but it looks like someone who just learn html/css in 1999 tried to make the design of the page.
Re: New DConf Blog Post
On 03/23/2019 02:02 AM, Piotrek wrote: > As usual, Ali is bringing something cool: > "The D programming language is used in writing development tools at > Mercedes-Benz Research and Development, North America." Thank you but this is only about software development tools. > This is a great sign that D can get more awareness in the automotive > industry. Looking forward to D on wheels. Don't hold your breath. :) With the disclaimer that I don't and can't speak for my employer, the automotive industry takes safety very seriously and embraces standards and guidelines like ISO 26262, MISRA, AUTOSAR, etc. I think every manufacturer should scrutinize all hardware and software components including compilers and libraries that they use. Coding guidelines like MISRA and AUTOSAR have been developed and matured for C++ for years. There is no equivalent for D for it to be even considered by the automotive industry. > Cheers, > Piotrek Ali
Re: New DConf Blog Post
On Friday, 22 March 2019 at 13:58:01 UTC, Mike Parker wrote: The DConf schedule was announced last Sunday. I've just published a write-up about it on the blog for the world-at-large. Please help us out by sharing this post in your social media circles. As usual, Ali is bringing something cool: "The D programming language is used in writing development tools at Mercedes-Benz Research and Development, North America." This is a great sign that D can get more awareness in the automotive industry. Looking forward to D on wheels. Cheers, Piotrek
Re: New DConf Blog Post
On 3/22/19 9:58 AM, Mike Parker wrote: The DConf schedule was announced last Sunday. I've just published a write-up about it on the blog for the world-at-large. Please help us out by sharing this post in your social media circles. The blog: https://dlang.org/blog/2019/03/22/dconf-2019-london-programme/ Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/b45bxp/dconf_2019_london_programme/ Side note, I started using mewe (and I really am not a social media type, so I doubt it will get a lot of use from me). And I created a Dlang group, if anyone is on there, feel free to join. https://mewe.com/group/5c7174c35ff915267872a688 -Steve
New DConf Blog Post
The DConf schedule was announced last Sunday. I've just published a write-up about it on the blog for the world-at-large. Please help us out by sharing this post in your social media circles. The blog: https://dlang.org/blog/2019/03/22/dconf-2019-london-programme/ Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/b45bxp/dconf_2019_london_programme/
