Re: Really in need of help with std.container.array.d

2014-10-21 Thread thedeemon via Digitalmars-d-learn

On Tuesday, 21 October 2014 at 04:22:37 UTC, thedeemon wrote:
Speaking of this module, since I cannot currently login to 
bugtracker, I'd like to note here that there are two major bugs 
in one little function: Array.Payload.length setter. One is this

https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13619

and the other is reallocating without notifying GC of the 
pointers, which leads to having dangling pointers in the array 
after a GC cycle.


Submitted the second one here:
https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13642


Re: Removing whitespace duplicates

2014-10-21 Thread Nordlöw

On Monday, 20 October 2014 at 23:25:18 UTC, bearophile wrote:

But with tr you can also replace the spaces with the underscore.


std.string.tr is my preferred choice here :)

Thanks!


Re: Removing whitespace duplicates

2014-10-21 Thread Nordlöw

On Tuesday, 21 October 2014 at 07:31:59 UTC, Nordlöw wrote:

std.string.tr is my preferred choice here :)


It would be nice to have a lambda-variant of std.string.tr to 
call like


x.tr!isWhite(['_'])


Re: Removing whitespace duplicates

2014-10-21 Thread bearophile via Digitalmars-d-learn

Nordlöw:

It would be nice to have a lambda-variant of std.string.tr to 
call like


x.tr!isWhite(['_'])


If your text is ASCII, then there is std.ascii.whitespace that 
can be given as argument to std.string.tr.


Bye,
bearophile


Global const variables

2014-10-21 Thread bearophile via Digitalmars-d-learn

Currently this code gets rejected:

const int[] a = [1];
void main() pure {
auto y = a[0];
}


test2.d(3,14): Error: pure function 'D main' cannot access 
mutable static data 'a'
test2.d(3,14): Error: pure function 'D main' cannot access 
mutable static data 'a'


But is this a good idea? Isn't it better to accept it?

Bye,
bearophile


Re: Global const variables

2014-10-21 Thread Minas Mina via Digitalmars-d-learn

On Tuesday, 21 October 2014 at 08:02:52 UTC, bearophile wrote:

Currently this code gets rejected:

const int[] a = [1];
void main() pure {
auto y = a[0];
}


test2.d(3,14): Error: pure function 'D main' cannot access 
mutable static data 'a'
test2.d(3,14): Error: pure function 'D main' cannot access 
mutable static data 'a'


But is this a good idea? Isn't it better to accept it?

Bye,
bearophile


Aren't pure functions supposed to return the same result every 
time? If yes, it is correct to not accept it.


Re: Global const variables

2014-10-21 Thread bearophile via Digitalmars-d-learn

Minas Mina:

Aren't pure functions supposed to return the same result every 
time? If yes, it is correct to not accept it.


But how can main() not be pure? Or, how can't the 'a' array be 
immutable?


Bye,
bearophile


Re: Global const variables

2014-10-21 Thread safety0ff via Digitalmars-d-learn

On Tuesday, 21 October 2014 at 08:25:07 UTC, bearophile wrote:

Minas Mina:

Aren't pure functions supposed to return the same result every 
time? If yes, it is correct to not accept it.


But how can main() not be pure? Or, how can't the 'a' array be 
immutable?


Bye,
bearophile


There can exist a mutable reference to a's underlying memory:

const int[] a;
int[] b;

static this()
{
b = [1];
a = b;
}


Re: Beginner ?. Why does D suggest to learn java

2014-10-21 Thread Kapps via Digitalmars-d-learn

On Thursday, 16 October 2014 at 22:26:51 UTC, RBfromME wrote:
I'm a newbie to programming and have been looking into the D 
lang as a general purposing language to learn, yet the D 
overview indicates that java would be a better language to 
learn for your first programming language. Why?  Looks like D 
is easier than Java...


Honestly, I'd recommend starting with VB.net or C# (preferably 
C#) over D, as:

1) They're simpler, no template magic, not as low level, etc.
2) Having an excellent IDE is very nice for starting out, seeing 
errors right as you type them, seeing all the methods and how to 
call them, having the documentation right there in your IDE, and 
not having to worry about whether what you just wrote is 
something that the IDE's parser can't handle or is actually 
invalid code.
3) Being significantly more popular is in general a boon, more 
tutorials are available (though D has some nice resources like 
Ali's book), and you're more likely to find a solution to a 
problem through Google as more people have come across it.
4) Having to deal with any compiler bugs would be very 
frustrating when starting to learn programming. D still has 
plenty, even if they're much less noticeable now. Trying to 
figure out why something doesn't work only to realize it's a 
compiler bug is frustrating.
5) Having a drag-and-drop GUI designer is very nice. D is still 
difficult to use for GUIs, and when starting it's really nice to 
see something significant on the screen right away.
6) You probably won't use most of D's features when you're just 
learning, so much of D's advantages are gone.


D is an awesome language, but I would not recommend it for 
someone completely new to programming. Once you get the hang of 
programming, D is an excellent language, until then something 
simpler, more popular, and more supported, would be better.


Re: Beginner ?. Why does D suggest to learn java

2014-10-21 Thread ketmar via Digitalmars-d-learn
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 09:01:32 +
Kapps via Digitalmars-d-learn digitalmars-d-learn@puremagic.com wrote:

 no template magic
that's very bad. it's time to stop making people think that templates
are inevitably arcane.


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Re: Global const variables

2014-10-21 Thread Szymon Gatner via Digitalmars-d-learn

On Tuesday, 21 October 2014 at 08:48:09 UTC, safety0ff wrote:

On Tuesday, 21 October 2014 at 08:25:07 UTC, bearophile wrote:

Minas Mina:

Aren't pure functions supposed to return the same result 
every time? If yes, it is correct to not accept it.


But how can main() not be pure? Or, how can't the 'a' array be 
immutable?


Bye,
bearophile


There can exist a mutable reference to a's underlying memory:

const int[] a;
int[] b;

static this()
{
b = [1];
a = b;
}


Ant this code works? What is the point of const then if you can 
assign it to mutable slice?




Re: m_condition.mutex cannot be used in shared method ?

2014-10-21 Thread via Digitalmars-d-learn

On Monday, 20 October 2014 at 17:37:22 UTC, Sean Kelly wrote:

With all the recent work on the GC, we really really need to
start tracking which thread owns a given non-shared object so it
can be finalized properly.  This may mean having the process of
casting away shared make the executing thread the new owner of
the object.


But this change of ownership is usually only temporary:

with(cast(BaseType) sharedVar) {
// ...
}


Re: Global const variables

2014-10-21 Thread bearophile via Digitalmars-d-learn

Szymon Gatner:


const int[] a;
int[] b;

static this()
{
   b = [1];
   a = b;
}


Ant this code works? What is the point of const then if you can 
assign it to mutable slice?


It works, and I think it should work. Inside the (module) 
constructor the const state is handled differently.


Thank you for the example, safety0ff.

Bye,
bearophile


Re: Beginner ?. Why does D suggest to learn java

2014-10-21 Thread Paulo Pinto via Digitalmars-d-learn
On Tuesday, 21 October 2014 at 09:14:08 UTC, ketmar via 
Digitalmars-d-learn wrote:

On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 09:01:32 +
Kapps via Digitalmars-d-learn 
digitalmars-d-learn@puremagic.com wrote:



no template magic
that's very bad. it's time to stop making people think that 
templates

are inevitably arcane.



People think templates are magic, due to their skillset.

I see that all the time in the enterprise, when we get people on 
projects that would already have issues using something like 
Clipper/VB back in the day.


--
paulo



Re: Beginner ?. Why does D suggest to learn java

2014-10-21 Thread ketmar via Digitalmars-d-learn
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 11:20:42 +
Paulo Pinto via Digitalmars-d-learn digitalmars-d-learn@puremagic.com
wrote:

 People think templates are magic, due to their skillset.
and other people keep pointing at languages without templates and
metaprogramming as good for learing. it's closed circle.


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Re: Beginner ?. Why does D suggest to learn java

2014-10-21 Thread via Digitalmars-d-learn
On Tuesday, 21 October 2014 at 11:43:56 UTC, ketmar via 
Digitalmars-d-learn wrote:
and other people keep pointing at languages without templates 
and metaprogramming as good for learing. it's closed circle.


The problem with template-programming in XSLT/C++/D is that if 
you want to learn functional programming you are better off using 
a good functional language.


Re: Global const variables

2014-10-21 Thread Solomon E via Digitalmars-d-learn

On Tuesday, 21 October 2014 at 08:48:09 UTC, safety0ff wrote:

On Tuesday, 21 October 2014 at 08:25:07 UTC, bearophile wrote:

Minas Mina:

Aren't pure functions supposed to return the same result 
every time? If yes, it is correct to not accept it.


But how can main() not be pure? Or, how can't the 'a' array be 
immutable?


Bye,
bearophile


There can exist a mutable reference to a's underlying memory:

const int[] a;
int[] b;

static this()
{
b = [1];
a = b;
}


`a` isn't a reference to `b`. `a` is assigned by value and has 
its own storage. You could change its type to const int[]* a = 
b; then it would be a reference to mutable storage. I made an 
example program to figure these things out, or else I wouldn't 
know what I'm talking about.


import std.stdio;
import std.conv;

const int[] a;
int[] b;

static this()
   {
string entry;
while(entry == ) {
try {
write(enter an int: );
entry = readln();
b = [to!int(entry[0..entry.length-1])];
} catch(ConvException e) {
writeln(error, try again);
entry = ;
}
}
a = b;
}

int[] x = [0,1,2,3];

class Holder
{
const(int[]) y;
this() { y = x; }
}

void main()
{
auto H = new Holder();
writeln(original const a , a); // [the int that was entered]
b = [8,7];
writeln(unaltered const a , a); // [the int that was 
entered]

x = [10,9];
writeln(unaltered const member y , H.y); // [0, 1, 2, 3]
H = new Holder();
writeln(new const member y , H.y); // [10, 9]
writeln(immutable m , get_m()); // [42]
}

immutable int[] m = [42];

immutable(int[]) get_m() pure
{
return m;
}



Re: Beginner ?. Why does D suggest to learn java

2014-10-21 Thread ketmar via Digitalmars-d-learn
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 11:51:16 +
via Digitalmars-d-learn digitalmars-d-learn@puremagic.com wrote:

 The problem with template-programming in XSLT/C++/D is that if 
 you want to learn functional programming you are better off using 
 a good functional language.
templates arent about FP only. yet i agree that Scheme is a very good
starting point, SICP rocks.


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Re: Global const variables

2014-10-21 Thread anonymous via Digitalmars-d-learn

On Tuesday, 21 October 2014 at 12:08:35 UTC, Solomon E wrote:

On Tuesday, 21 October 2014 at 08:48:09 UTC, safety0ff wrote:

const int[] a;
int[] b;

static this()
{
   b = [1];
   a = b;
}


`a` isn't a reference to `b`. `a` is assigned by value and has 
its own storage.


`a` is indeed a copy of `b`. But `b` is a pointer+length, and
only those are copied. The array data is not copied. `a` and `b`
refer to the same data afterwards.

[...]

const int[] a;
int[] b;

static this()
   {

[...]

a = b;
}


[...]


void main()
{

[...]

b = [8,7];


Here, making `b` point somewhere else (to [8, 7]). If instead you
change b's elements, you'll see that `a` and `b` refer to the
same data:

b[] = 8; /* Will also change `a`'s data. */


Why std.variant.Varian.get is mutable

2014-10-21 Thread Jack Applegame via Digitalmars-d-learn

This doesn't compiles
http://dpaste.dzfl.pl/bbcc31fbe016


Re: Global const variables

2014-10-21 Thread Solomon E via Digitalmars-d-learn

On Tuesday, 21 October 2014 at 12:30:30 UTC, anonymous wrote:

On Tuesday, 21 October 2014 at 12:08:35 UTC, Solomon E wrote:

On Tuesday, 21 October 2014 at 08:48:09 UTC, safety0ff wrote:

const int[] a;
int[] b;

static this()
{
  b = [1];
  a = b;
}


`a` isn't a reference to `b`. `a` is assigned by value and has 
its own storage.


`a` is indeed a copy of `b`. But `b` is a pointer+length, and
only those are copied. The array data is not copied. `a` and `b`
refer to the same data afterwards.

[...]

const int[] a;
int[] b;

static this()
  {

[...]

   a = b;
   }


[...]


void main()
{

[...]

   b = [8,7];


Here, making `b` point somewhere else (to [8, 7]). If instead 
you

change b's elements, you'll see that `a` and `b` refer to the
same data:

b[] = 8; /* Will also change `a`'s data. */


You're right. Thank you, anonymous stranger.

Sorry about that, safety0ff. It looks like you were right and I 
was wrong.


`b[0] = 8;` or `b[] = 8;` changes a. Printing the values for a 
and b shows they're different pointers, but (a is b) returns 
true. So I still have more to learn about how it does that.


Re: Making plugin system with shared libraries. Upcast in shared lib

2014-10-21 Thread Kagamin via Digitalmars-d-learn

On Monday, 20 October 2014 at 15:07:43 UTC, MrSmith wrote:

On Monday, 20 October 2014 at 14:05:29 UTC, Kagamin wrote:
Do it the COM way: publish IModule2 interface and declare 
GetInterface method, which will return a prepared pointer, 
which you would reinterpret cast to IModule2.


Will it work on linux with simple .so libs?
I want it to be as simple as possible.


Is it any different from what you already have?
Dynamic cast is not guaranteed to work across dll boundary. If it 
does, you're lucky. If it doesn't, use GetInterface - that will 
work independently from runtime, environment, language, os, 
hardware etc.


Re: Global const variables

2014-10-21 Thread ketmar via Digitalmars-d-learn
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 13:43:29 +
Solomon E via Digitalmars-d-learn digitalmars-d-learn@puremagic.com
wrote:

 `b[0] = 8;` or `b[] = 8;` changes a. Printing the values for a 
 and b shows they're different pointers, but (a is b) returns 
 true. So I still have more to learn about how it does that.
that's 'cause 'b' taking address of hidden array structure, not
the first array element, as in C. try 'a.ptr' and 'b.ptr' to get
addresses of array elements.


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Re: Global const variables

2014-10-21 Thread ketmar via Digitalmars-d-learn
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 17:25:09 +0300
ketmar via Digitalmars-d-learn digitalmars-d-learn@puremagic.com
wrote:

 On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 13:43:29 +
 Solomon E via Digitalmars-d-learn digitalmars-d-learn@puremagic.com
 wrote:
 
  `b[0] = 8;` or `b[] = 8;` changes a. Printing the values for a 
  and b shows they're different pointers, but (a is b) returns 
  true. So I still have more to learn about how it does that.
 that's 'cause 'b' taking address of hidden array structure, not
 the first array element, as in C. try 'a.ptr' and 'b.ptr' to get
 addresses of array elements.
p.s. '(a[0])' and '(b[0])' works too. parens are just for clarifying.


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Re: Global const variables

2014-10-21 Thread MachineCode via Digitalmars-d-learn

On Tuesday, 21 October 2014 at 08:02:52 UTC, bearophile wrote:

Currently this code gets rejected:

const int[] a = [1];
void main() pure {
auto y = a[0];
}


test2.d(3,14): Error: pure function 'D main' cannot access 
mutable static data 'a'
test2.d(3,14): Error: pure function 'D main' cannot access 
mutable static data 'a'


But is this a good idea? Isn't it better to accept it?

Bye,
bearophile


pure functions are also supposed to don't use global variables at 
all, according to functional programming paradigm


Re: Global const variables

2014-10-21 Thread Solomon E via Digitalmars-d-learn
On Tuesday, 21 October 2014 at 14:25:20 UTC, ketmar via 
Digitalmars-d-learn wrote:

On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 13:43:29 +
Solomon E via Digitalmars-d-learn 
digitalmars-d-learn@puremagic.com

wrote:

`b[0] = 8;` or `b[] = 8;` changes a. Printing the values for 
a and b shows they're different pointers, but (a is b) 
returns true. So I still have more to learn about how it does 
that.
that's 'cause 'b' taking address of hidden array structure, 
not

the first array element, as in C. try 'a.ptr' and 'b.ptr' to get
addresses of array elements.


Thanks, that's what I was looking for, in order to understand 
what's going on. I Googled for it on this site, but without 
remembering the keyword ptr, I didn't find anything relevant.


After I put printouts of .ptr in my test program, I figured out 
how to get the same result by unsafe pointer arithmetic. 
Apparently, for an array a, a.ptr == *(cast(ulong*) a + 1). 
That's unsafe because the implementation might change, and 
pointer arithmetic is unsafe in general.


Re: Global const variables

2014-10-21 Thread Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d-learn
On Tuesday, October 21, 2014 08:02:50 bearophile via 
Digitalmars-d-learn

wrote:

Currently this code gets rejected:

const int[] a = [1];
void main() pure {
 auto y = a[0];
}


test2.d(3,14): Error: pure function 'D main' cannot access
mutable static data 'a'
test2.d(3,14): Error: pure function 'D main' cannot access
mutable static data 'a'

But is this a good idea? Isn't it better to accept it?


In principle, it should be fine, but because it's using const, it 
won't work.
global or static variables which are directly initialized with 
values that
cannot possibly have mutable references elsewhere in the code are 
the only
case where accessing const variables from outside a pure function 
like this
could work - i.e. the cases where immutable and const are 
essentially
identical (the only real difference being that if the variable is 
a reference
type, if it's immutable, it's also shared, whereas if it's const, 
it's
thread-local). So, I don't think that it's at all surprising that 
the compiler
rejects it. It should probably be made smarter so that it doesn't 
reject it,
but because you can just as easily make the variable immutable, 
you're not

losing any real functionality in the interim.

- Jonathan M Davis


Re: Global const variables

2014-10-21 Thread ketmar via Digitalmars-d-learn
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 16:47:04 +
Solomon E via Digitalmars-d-learn digitalmars-d-learn@puremagic.com
wrote:

 That's unsafe because the implementation might change, and 
 pointer arithmetic is unsafe in general.
sure, ponter casting is implementation-dependend. but .ptr is
guaranteed to work as expected. 'a' is just a `struct { size_t length;
void* ptr }` now, but this representation is implementation detail, not
a convention.


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Re: Global const variables

2014-10-21 Thread Solomon E via Digitalmars-d-learn

On Tuesday, 21 October 2014 at 15:51:27 UTC, MachineCode wrote:
...
...


pure functions are also supposed to don't use global variables 
at all, according to functional programming paradigm


Pure functions are immutables (constants but not const in the D 
or C++ senses) and can use other immutables, even if they're 
global immutables. (I guess it would be better though always to 
have a named top scope instead of everyone in the world having 
the same global scope :-)


Re: Global const variables

2014-10-21 Thread Meta via Digitalmars-d-learn

On Tuesday, 21 October 2014 at 16:56:06 UTC, Solomon E wrote:

On Tuesday, 21 October 2014 at 15:51:27 UTC, MachineCode wrote:
...
...


pure functions are also supposed to don't use global variables 
at all, according to functional programming paradigm


Pure functions are immutables (constants but not const in the 
D or C++ senses) and can use other immutables, even if they're 
global immutables. (I guess it would be better though always to 
have a named top scope instead of everyone in the world having 
the same global scope :-)


You *do* have a named top scope, the module name (which is 
accessible with prefixing a symbol with ., i.e., .x refers to the 
symbol x at module scope). There is no such thing as global scope 
in D.


Re: Global const variables

2014-10-21 Thread Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d-learn

On Tuesday, 21 October 2014 at 15:51:27 UTC, MachineCode wrote:
pure functions are also supposed to don't use global variables 
at all, according to functional programming paradigm


The functional programming paradigm is kind of irrelevant to D's 
pure, which should really be something more like @global. D's 
pure makes it so that a function cannot directly access global, 
mutable state - i.e. no mutable global or static variables which 
can ever be mutated by anything in the program. So, pure 
functions can access immutable global and static variables, 
because their state can never change, and in principle, they 
could access const variables that were directly initialized, e.g.


const int i = 7;

However, apparently, the compiler won't do that with arrays right 
now, as Bearophile has found. Accessing global or static 
variables that can never change once they're initialized does not 
violate the guarantees that D's pure makes, because the value is 
fixed and as such is essentially the same as hard-coding the 
value in the function directly. It's just those that can change 
which are a problem (which does potentially include global, const 
arrays if they were initialized via a static constructor).


Now, while D's pure really doesn't directly have anything to do 
with functional purity (_all_ it does is restrict access to 
global or static variables which can be mutated - either directly 
or indirectly), it _is_ a vital building block for functional 
purity, because if the function parameters are immutable or 
implicitly convertible to immutable, then the compiler knows that 
multiple calls to the function with the same arguments will 
always return the same result, because the function can't access 
any mutable globals to get at anything different to produce a 
different result. And even if the parameters aren't immutable or 
implicitly convertible to immutable, if the parameter types and 
return type are unrelated, the compiler can also know that the 
return value was not passed into the function (since it had 
nowhere else to get it from), so it knows that it's unique and 
can do stuff like implicitly convert that value to immutable 
safely.


So, with pure, the compiler can recognize actual, functional 
purity and other useful attributes and take advantage of them, 
but you're probably better off if you don't think of D's pure as 
being functionally pure, because there are quite a few things 
that D's pure functions can do which functionally pure functions 
can't do (like mutate their arguments if they're mutable).


A good article on D's pure: 
http://klickverbot.at/blog/2012/05/purity-in-d/


Re: Global const variables

2014-10-21 Thread Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d-learn

On Tuesday, 21 October 2014 at 17:00:49 UTC, Meta wrote:

There is no such thing as global scope in D.


While that's technically true (and very good for avoiding symbol 
conflicts), modules at the module level are still typically 
referred to as global variables.




Issue with WIKI example Win32_DLLs_in_D

2014-10-21 Thread Andre via Digitalmars-d-learn

Hi,

by copy and paste the example from
http://wiki.dlang.org/Win32_DLLs_in_D
exactly as described, the following errors is thrown:

J:\Projects\Tests\Exampledmd test mydll.lib -g
OPTLINK (R) for Win32  Release 8.00.15
test.obj(test)
 Error 42: Symbol Undefined _D5mydll12__ModuleInfoZ

I created a batch program which executes the commands
as described on the wiki page:

dmd -c mydll -g
dmd mydll.obj mydll.def -g -L/map
C:\D\dmd2\windows\bin\implib /noi /system mydll.lib mydll.dll
dmd test mydll.lib -g

Could you check whats wrong with the example and maybe update the 
WIKI page?

Thanks.

Kind regards
André


Re: Beginner ?. Why does D suggest to learn java

2014-10-21 Thread Kapps via Digitalmars-d-learn
On Tuesday, 21 October 2014 at 09:14:08 UTC, ketmar via 
Digitalmars-d-learn wrote:

On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 09:01:32 +
Kapps via Digitalmars-d-learn 
digitalmars-d-learn@puremagic.com wrote:



no template magic
that's very bad. it's time to stop making people think that 
templates

are inevitably arcane.


I like D's templates, it's one of the things that makes me like D 
more than C#. But they can definitely get quite complex. C# 
limits templates to generic types, like Listint, and for a 
beginner I think that's an easier way to handle things.


Re: Making plugin system with shared libraries. Upcast in shared lib

2014-10-21 Thread MrSmith via Digitalmars-d-learn

On Tuesday, 21 October 2014 at 13:57:23 UTC, Kagamin wrote:

On Monday, 20 October 2014 at 15:07:43 UTC, MrSmith wrote:

On Monday, 20 October 2014 at 14:05:29 UTC, Kagamin wrote:
Do it the COM way: publish IModule2 interface and declare 
GetInterface method, which will return a prepared pointer, 
which you would reinterpret cast to IModule2.


Will it work on linux with simple .so libs?
I want it to be as simple as possible.


Is it any different from what you already have?
Dynamic cast is not guaranteed to work across dll boundary. If 
it does, you're lucky. If it doesn't, use GetInterface - that 
will work independently from runtime, environment, language, 
os, hardware etc.


What is GetInterface?


Re: Beginner ?. Why does D suggest to learn java

2014-10-21 Thread ketmar via Digitalmars-d-learn
On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 21:48:14 +
Kapps via Digitalmars-d-learn digitalmars-d-learn@puremagic.com wrote:

 I like D's templates, it's one of the things that makes me like D 
 more than C#. But they can definitely get quite complex. C# 
 limits templates to generic types, like Listint, and for a 
 beginner I think that's an easier way to handle things.
nobody forcec any beginner to write complex templates from the start.
not even use them: alot of things can be done without phobos, as
excercises. yet i think that it's good to start with the language that
has powerful templates and metaprogramming, so more and more advanced
features can be gently introduced when there is time.

we can't (ok, we can, but this is very-very hard) teach people how to
use metaprogramming properly if their language of choice aren't
supporting metaprogramming at all, for example.

start from using templates as generics, then add some sugar, some type
consitions, some CTFE and so on. with C# we will stop right after
generics, 'cause there is no other things there.


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Re: Issue with WIKI example Win32_DLLs_in_D

2014-10-21 Thread Laeeth Isharc via Digitalmars-d-learn
Funnily enough I was just playing with this last night trying to 
get Excel to talk to dlang DLL.  I borrowed a C example elsewhere 
on web and used a different .def file.  Something like this:


LIBRARY dprop
DESCRIPTION 'My DLL written in D'

EXETYPE NT
CODEPRELOAD DISCARDABLE
DATAWRITE

EXPORTS
useArray = useArray
usemyTest = usemyTest

Where the two functions exported from D to excel were as above.  
Try that and let me know.  If that doesn't work I will send you a 
link to from repository.



Tuesday, 21 October 2014 at 19:59:51 UTC, Andre wrote:

Hi,

by copy and paste the example from
http://wiki.dlang.org/Win32_DLLs_in_D
exactly as described, the following errors is thrown:




J:\Projects\Tests\Exampledmd test mydll.lib -g
OPTLINK (R) for Win32  Release 8.00.15
test.obj(test)
 Error 42: Symbol Undefined _D5mydll12__ModuleInfoZ

I created a batch program which executes the commands
as described on the wiki page:

dmd -c mydll -g
dmd mydll.obj mydll.def -g -L/map
C:\D\dmd2\windows\bin\implib /noi /system mydll.lib mydll.dll
dmd test mydll.lib -g

Could you check whats wrong with the example and maybe update 
the WIKI page?

Thanks.

Kind regards
André


Re: Beginner ?. Why does D suggest to learn java

2014-10-21 Thread ketmar via Digitalmars-d-learn
On Wed, 22 Oct 2014 00:57:59 +0300
ketmar via Digitalmars-d-learn digitalmars-d-learn@puremagic.com
wrote:

 consitions
i don't even know what this word means. honestly.


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Sorting array of string arrays by an element in the string array

2014-10-21 Thread neal via Digitalmars-d-learn
Just curious if this is possible. I have some data on different 
countries that i have stored in a multidimensional array called 
data[][]. What I want to do is sort data[][] by population which 
happens to be stored in data[i][4] where i is the index to 
iterate from country to country.


I would like something like this:

sort!(ab)(data[][4]);

Anybody have any suggestions?



Re: Sorting array of string arrays by an element in the string array

2014-10-21 Thread Joel via Digitalmars-d-learn

On Wednesday, 22 October 2014 at 00:36:22 UTC, Joel wrote:

On Wednesday, 22 October 2014 at 00:32:56 UTC, neal wrote:
Just curious if this is possible. I have some data on 
different countries that i have stored in a multidimensional 
array called data[][]. What I want to do is sort data[][] by 
population which happens to be stored in data[i][4] where i is 
the index to iterate from country to country.


I would like something like this:

sort!(ab)(data[][4]);

Anybody have any suggestions?


More like this:
sort!(a.country  b.country)(data[][4]);


Oops, forgot the quotes: sort!(a.country  
b.country)(data[][4]);


Re: Sorting array of string arrays by an element in the string array

2014-10-21 Thread Joel via Digitalmars-d-learn

On Wednesday, 22 October 2014 at 00:32:56 UTC, neal wrote:
Just curious if this is possible. I have some data on different 
countries that i have stored in a multidimensional array called 
data[][]. What I want to do is sort data[][] by population 
which happens to be stored in data[i][4] where i is the index 
to iterate from country to country.


I would like something like this:

sort!(ab)(data[][4]);

Anybody have any suggestions?


More like this:
sort!(a.country  b.country)(data[][4]);


bitmanip bigEndianToNative using a buffer slice?

2014-10-21 Thread Lucas Burson via Digitalmars-d-learn
I'm trying to create a primitive type given a specific buffer 
slice. I can place the uint into a sliced buffer but I'm getting 
compiler errors when using a slice to create the uint. Still new 
to Dlang and unfamiliar with the template system.


How do I get this working?

import std.bitmanip;
int main()
{
   size_t offset = 3;
   ubyte[10] buffer;
   buffer[offset..offset+4] = nativeToBigEndian!uint(cast(uint) 
104387);


   // compiler error
   uint fromBuf = 
bigEndianToNative!uint(buffer[offset..offset+4]);

   return 0;
}

The compiler error:
./test.d(11): Error: template std.bitmanip.bigEndianToNative does 
not match any function template declaration. Candidates are:
/usr/include/dmd/phobos/std/bitmanip.d(1689):
std.bitmanip.bigEndianToNative(T, ulong n)(ubyte[n] val) if 
(canSwapEndianness!(T)  n == T.sizeof)
./test.d(11): Error: template std.bitmanip.bigEndianToNative(T, 
ulong n)(ubyte[n] val) if (canSwapEndianness!(T)  n == 
T.sizeof) cannot deduce template function from argument types 
!(uint)(ubyte[])
./test.d(11): Error: template instance bigEndianToNative!(uint) 
errors instantiating template


Re: Sorting array of string arrays by an element in the string array

2014-10-21 Thread bearophile via Digitalmars-d-learn

neal:


Anybody have any suggestions?


Something like this, perhaps?

data.sort!q{ a[4]  b[4] };

Bye,
bearophile


Re: bitmanip bigEndianToNative using a buffer slice?

2014-10-21 Thread ketmar via Digitalmars-d-learn
On Wed, 22 Oct 2014 00:45:17 +
Lucas Burson via Digitalmars-d-learn
digitalmars-d-learn@puremagic.com wrote:

 I'm trying to create a primitive type given a specific buffer 
 slice. I can place the uint into a sliced buffer but I'm getting 
 compiler errors when using a slice to create the uint. Still new 
 to Dlang and unfamiliar with the template system.
 
 How do I get this working?
the short answer:

 uint fromBuf =
 bigEndianToNative!uint(cast(ubyte[4])buffer[offset..offset+4]);

the long answer: you are passing dynamic array, and function is
expecting static array. slices are always dynamic by nature, so they
must be casted to static arrays before passing to bigEndianToNative.

'ubyte[4]' is not a recomendation, it means only static arrays will
do.

dynamic arrays are pointer to hidden array structure generated by
compiler, which looks like this: `struct { size_t length; void*
ptr; }`. but static arrays are just direct pointers to data, there is
no need to keep separate length, as it is known in compile time.

by casting dynamic array/slice to static array you are telling the
compiler i know the length of the data right now, so you can use
direct pointer.

sorry if my explanations appears complex and hard to understand --
that's 'cause i'm not very good in teaching. but at least i tried and
gave the short answer too. ;-)


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How would you dive into a big codebase

2014-10-21 Thread Freddy via Digitalmars-d-learn

Is there any advice/tips for reading medium/big D codebases?


Re: bitmanip bigEndianToNative using a buffer slice?

2014-10-21 Thread ketmar via Digitalmars-d-learn
On Wed, 22 Oct 2014 01:30:48 +
Lucas Burson via Digitalmars-d-learn
digitalmars-d-learn@puremagic.com wrote:

 ketmar, we meet again! Your explanation is great and that solved 
 my problem. Thank you. Maybe I'll try out templates next...
yep, i remember. i was glad to help you. ;-)


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Re: Sorting array of string arrays by an element in the string array

2014-10-21 Thread neal via Digitalmars-d-learn

On Wednesday, 22 October 2014 at 01:02:17 UTC, bearophile wrote:

neal:


Anybody have any suggestions?


Something like this, perhaps?

data.sort!q{ a[4]  b[4] };

Bye,
bearophile


Hmmm.. Im getting some interesting results here. So when i put
all of the populations in an area and used this code:

sort!(ab)(population);
writeln(Top 5 population in 1993: );
for(int i = 0; i  5;i++)
 writeln(population[i]);


I get:

Top 5 population in 1993:
1189550675
916529257
264493898
191658591
156810428


The problem there is that i lose the country that the population
is associated with (the top one being China).

When I run your code:

data.sort!q{ a[4]  b[4] };
for(int i = 0; i  5; i++)
writeln(data[][]);

I get this result for the top 5:

[Portugal, 1593140, -668536, 1993, 9993683, 8]
[Anguilla, 114, -536, 1993, 9865, 10]
[Malawi, 31745, -25289, 1993, 9862531, 6]
[Grenada, 2274, -4890, 1993, 96908, 2]
[Burkina Faso, 22613, -38738, 1993, 9688261, 6]


Notice that the top populations arent correct.


Re: bitmanip bigEndianToNative using a buffer slice?

2014-10-21 Thread Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d-learn
On Wednesday, October 22, 2014 00:45:17 Lucas Burson via 
Digitalmars-d-learn

wrote:

I'm trying to create a primitive type given a specific buffer
slice. I can place the uint into a sliced buffer but I'm getting
compiler errors when using a slice to create the uint. Still new
to Dlang and unfamiliar with the template system.

How do I get this working?

import std.bitmanip;
int main()
{
size_t offset = 3;
ubyte[10] buffer;
buffer[offset..offset+4] = nativeToBigEndian!uint(cast(uint)
104387);

// compiler error
uint fromBuf =
bigEndianToNative!uint(buffer[offset..offset+4]);
return 0;
}

The compiler error:
./test.d(11): Error: template std.bitmanip.bigEndianToNative 
does

not match any function template declaration. Candidates are:
/usr/include/dmd/phobos/std/bitmanip.d(1689):
std.bitmanip.bigEndianToNative(T, ulong n)(ubyte[n] val) if
(canSwapEndianness!(T)  n == T.sizeof)
./test.d(11): Error: template std.bitmanip.bigEndianToNative(T,
ulong n)(ubyte[n] val) if (canSwapEndianness!(T)  n ==
T.sizeof) cannot deduce template function from argument types
!(uint)(ubyte[])
./test.d(11): Error: template instance bigEndianToNative!(uint)
errors instantiating template


You can't just use a dynamic array as a static array, because 
they're distinct
types. Slicing a static array gives you a dynamic one which 
refers to the
static array's memory, but to convert a dynamic array to a static 
one, you
have to cast it (which will do a copy). So, your code becomes 
something like


import std.bitmanip;
void main()
{
size_t offset = 3;
ubyte[10] buffer;
buffer[offset..offset+4] = nativeToBigEndian!uint(104387);

// compiler error
auto fromBuf =
bigEndianToNative!uint(cast(ubyte[4])buffer[offset..offset+4]);
}

However, in this case, you should probably just not use a dynamic 
array. It

buys you nothing. You might as well just do.

import std.bitmanip;
void main()
{
auto buffer = nativeToBigEndian!uint(104387);

// compiler error
auto fromBuf = bigEndianToNative!uint(buffer);
}

though obviously, your actual code may be doing something more 
complicated
that actually makes using the dynamic array reasonable. 
Regardless, dynamic
arrays must be cast to static arrays if you want to use a dynamic 
array where

a static array is required.

- Jonathan M Davis


Re: Sorting array of string arrays by an element in the string array

2014-10-21 Thread neal via Digitalmars-d-learn

On Wednesday, 22 October 2014 at 01:58:19 UTC, neal wrote:

On Wednesday, 22 October 2014 at 01:02:17 UTC, bearophile wrote:

neal:


Anybody have any suggestions?


Something like this, perhaps?

data.sort!q{ a[4]  b[4] };

Bye,
bearophile


Hmmm.. Im getting some interesting results here. So when i put
all of the populations in an area and used this code:

sort!(ab)(population);
writeln(Top 5 population in 1993: );
for(int i = 0; i  5;i++)
 writeln(population[i]);


I get:

Top 5 population in 1993:
1189550675
916529257
264493898
191658591
156810428


The problem there is that i lose the country that the population
is associated with (the top one being China).

When I run your code:

data.sort!q{ a[4]  b[4] };
for(int i = 0; i  5; i++)
writeln(data[][]);

I get this result for the top 5:

[Portugal, 1593140, -668536, 1993, 9993683, 8]
[Anguilla, 114, -536, 1993, 9865, 10]
[Malawi, 31745, -25289, 1993, 9862531, 6]
[Grenada, 2274, -4890, 1993, 96908, 2]
[Burkina Faso, 22613, -38738, 1993, 9688261, 6]


Notice that the top populations arent correct.



Wow sorry I just realized my mistake. the array is an array of 
strings!


data.sort!q{ to!int(a[4])  to!int(b[4]) };

This code fixes my problem! Thanks for the quick responses guys. 
you rock!


Re: How would you dive into a big codebase

2014-10-21 Thread Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d-learn

On Wednesday, 22 October 2014 at 01:21:19 UTC, Freddy wrote:

Is there any advice/tips for reading medium/big D codebases?


I'm not aware of there being anything about D which makes it any 
different to dig into a large codebase than it is for any other 
language. The usual suggestion that I've heard given (without any 
particular language in mind) is to start by tracking down and 
fixing a bug in it, though if the codebase isn't too large for 
it, personally, I'd be highly tempted to just read through it 
all. I don't think very many people function that way though.


Re: How would you dive into a big codebase

2014-10-21 Thread safety0ff via Digitalmars-d-learn

On Wednesday, 22 October 2014 at 01:21:19 UTC, Freddy wrote:

Is there any advice/tips for reading medium/big D codebases?


Somewhat D specific: I would consider an IDE/editor like Eclipse 
with DDT that can give an outline of the data structures  
functions names in a source file to make the files easier to 
digest.