[digitalradio] Problem with Hoka

2010-03-25 Thread nikos_katsoulis
Hi everybody,

Since a few days,when i wanted to stard Hoka,my computer restart every time!All 
the other programs work without 
problems(Wxtrack,MuliPsk,Wxtolmg,LiveNet,JVComm32,etc..).I check the 
processor,and the memory,look O.K.The other half with Linux work fine.Delete 
and Reinstall the drivers from Hoka,still the same problem.

Any idea what can be?

Thanks for help.Have a nice day. 

Nikos



[digitalradio] Signalink and checkSR

2010-03-25 Thread vk4vil
I am totally new to digital radio, have an Icom 746PRO and interfacing for 
PSK31 with a SignaLink USB.
I have a factory lead (computer to signalink) and home brew lead (radio to 
signalink. This was spreviously on a Yaesu and I rewired.

I'm using the 6 pin on the radio and have wired a MiniDIN 6 pin plug 
accordingly, thanks to assistance from Tigertronics.
J-1 jumpers have been set.
The setup on Digipan receives OK,  but transmit is a problem, although a CQ 
message from me appears on my screen as transmitted, but does not show on the 
waterfall???

Using CheckSR at sample rate freq of 11025Hz, 
the RX is good with a difference of -90Hz but TX difference shows up as 6800Hz.
Where should I begin?
Thanks,
Les VK4VIL.



Re: [digitalradio] Re: A new concept in digital mode band plans- reducing the number of tongues in the tower of Babylon

2010-03-25 Thread Andy obrien
I agree Jim, ALE400 would make sense.  In general, the current failing of
standard ALE to take off are , I think,  linked to attempts to popularize
ALE for emcomm use.  While ALE concepts do lend themselves to emergency
communication nets, the gist of this thread is related to plain old ham
radio, having a normal QSO.  Having a standard calling digital mode , and a
way to then switch modes to suit conditions .  This would eliminate the
endless CQ calling in odd-ball  modes  and increase the chances of actually
getting a reply.   To regular ALE users my idea is like reinventing the
wheel, because what I propose is what ALE can do already.  However, getting
people to actually deploy ALE and also eliminate unattended operations, is
an impossible task.

Andy K3Uk

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 10:41 PM, jhaynesatalumni jhhay...@earthlink.netwrote:



 I think it's fair to discuss, which is to say question, whether
 military standard ALE is the best thing to use on amateur
 frequencies. It's good to make use of existing standards when
 they fit the situation, but military radio is not amateur radio.
 With our crowded bands, and with amateur radios that are stingy
 on the bandwidth, maybe we would be better off using something
 like Patrick's ALE-400.

 Jim W6JVE

  



Re: [digitalradio] Problem with Hoka

2010-03-25 Thread Rick Westerfield
What is Hoka?

Rick KH2DF

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 25, 2010, at 12:15 AM, nikos_katsoulis nikos_katsou...@yahoo.com 
wrote:

Hi everybody,

Since a few days,when i wanted to stard Hoka,my computer restart every time!All 
the other programs work without 
problems(Wxtrack,MuliPsk,Wxtolmg,LiveNet,JVComm32,etc..).I check the 
processor,and the memory,look O.K.The other half with Linux work fine.Delete 
and Reinstall the drivers from Hoka,still the same problem.

Any idea what can be?

Thanks for help.Have a nice day. 

Nikos




Re: [digitalradio] Signalink and checkSR

2010-03-25 Thread Raymond Lunsford
Try SR of 12000.

On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:00 AM, vk4vil unw...@bigpond.com wrote:

 I am totally new to digital radio, have an Icom 746PRO and interfacing for
 PSK31 with a SignaLink USB.
 I have a factory lead (computer to signalink) and home brew lead (radio to
 signalink. This was spreviously on a Yaesu and I rewired.

 I'm using the 6 pin on the radio and have wired a MiniDIN 6 pin plug
 accordingly, thanks to assistance from Tigertronics.
 J-1 jumpers have been set.
 The setup on Digipan receives OK,  but transmit is a problem, although a CQ
 message from me appears on my screen as transmitted, but does not show on
 the waterfall???

 Using CheckSR at sample rate freq of 11025Hz,
 the RX is good with a difference of -90Hz but TX difference shows up as
 6800Hz.
 Where should I begin?
 Thanks,
 Les VK4VIL.



 

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Re: [digitalradio] Problem with Hoka

2010-03-25 Thread Katsoulis Nikos
Hi Rick,Hoka is one Data Analyzer and Decoder.


Cheers,Nikos



--- On Thu, 3/25/10, Rick Westerfield r_lwesterfi...@bellsouth.net wrote:

From: Rick Westerfield r_lwesterfi...@bellsouth.net
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Problem with Hoka
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 5:16 AM







 



  



  
  
  What is Hoka?
Rick KH2DF

Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 25, 2010, at 12:15 AM, nikos_katsoulis nikos_katsoulis@ yahoo.com 
wrote:






 




  
  
  Hi everybody,



Since a few days,when i wanted to stard Hoka,my computer restart every time!All 
the other programs work without problems(Wxtrack, MuliPsk,Wxtolmg, 
LiveNet,JVComm32 ,etc..).I check the processor,and the memory,look O.K.The 
other half with Linux work fine.Delete and Reinstall the drivers from 
Hoka,still the same problem.



Any idea what can be?



Thanks for help.Have a nice day. 



Nikos






 












 





 



  






  

[digitalradio] Re: A new concept in digital mode band plans- reducing the number of tongues in the tower of Babylon

2010-03-25 Thread N2CKH

Hi Andy,

Dropped in to see if I needed to reply to anything from yesterday and I see 
that you really have a number of members on this forum that seem to have a lot 
of personal gripes and also make a lot of negative comments about BW and what 
is and is not appropropriate for use on Amateur Radio and I just have to say 
that it really amuses me a lot.

Those forum members that are really interested in the coming wave of Amateur 
Radio Digital Operating Methods don't just stop at learning about Software 
Defined Radios, start reading up on Cognitive
Defined Radios and don't for a second think that Automatic Link Establishment 
is not going to be part of the SDR and CDR future of Amateur Radio, it is going 
to very much be a big part of what is coming into being as I can't think of 
anything else up to the task.

The HF Spectrum will be radpidly scanned to indentify the stations of interest 
to link with and find the optimal frequency for propagation to establish the 
automatic link and exchange data at high speeds, you will see the ability to 
decode and display all the activity on a given chunk of spectrum during RX 
sweeps, get prepared as its coming sooner than you may think and I gather from 
comments made here, sooner than some my even want. 

Anyhow, off my soap box and back to my C++ hole.

Sincerely,

/s/ Steve, N2CKH
www.n2ckh.com/PC_ALE_FORUM/





[digitalradio] Re: Another plug for JT65A ... the spectrum efficient mode

2010-03-25 Thread g4ilo
That seems a bit theoretical to me. If you have a mode that is very wide but 
gets its information across in short bursts, it could be said to be very 
efficient, but in practise it is efficient only if others are able to make use 
of the gaps between transmissions. If that mode needs that frequency to itself 
and cannot exist with other modes then it really makes no difference if it 
transmits on a 100% duty cycle or a 1% duty cycle it is preventing users of 
another mode from using the same spectrum. 

I think this argument is valid for the amateur bands because most digital modes 
do not have exclusive use of a part of the spectrum. They have to share space 
with other, different modes. A wide, bursty mode will prevent narrow, 
continuous ones from having a contact on the frequency (and vice versa) 
therefore from the point of view of the users of the narrow mode struggling to 
find somewhere to operate, the wide mode is occupying all of that space.

Julian, G4ILO

--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Rein Couperus r...@... wrote:

 Hi Andy,
 
 well, I don't agree... as soon as you talk efficiency, you have to define 
 what that means.
 
 For me bandwidth efficiency is 3-dimensional, it defines how much information 
 can be 
 transferred within a certain time span, within a certain bandwidth.
 




Re: [digitalradio] Re: Another plug for JT65A ... the spectrum efficient mode

2010-03-25 Thread John Becker, WØJAB
At 01:01 PM 3/25/2010, you wrote:
That seems a bit theoretical to me. If you have a mode that is very wide but 
gets its information across in short bursts, it could be said to be very 
efficient, but in practise it is efficient only if others are able to make use 
of the gaps between transmissions. If that mode needs that frequency to itself 
and cannot exist with other modes then it really makes no difference if it 
transmits on a 100% duty cycle or a 1% duty cycle it is preventing users of 
another mode from using the same spectrum. 

Just * how many * modes would like to put on one
frequency at a time? If the frequency is in use then
find another.






[digitalradio] Re: Has anyone tried the WINMOR keyboarding?

2010-03-25 Thread obrienaj

Thanks Howard, I am hoping to try it soon.

Andy K3UK
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Howard Z howar...@... wrote:

 Hi,
 
 Has anyone tried the WINMOR keyboarding mode - no ARQ using FEC?
 
 How does it compare to Olivia?
 
 Howard





[digitalradio] WINMOR good

2010-03-25 Thread Andy obrien
Another  major update came out today.  FYI, despite some limitations
on noisy HF (like all modes) , my view is the the RMS package is now a
complete one.  A application that fills the void mentioned frequently,
namely the lack on HF on-ramps.  With Winmor HF stations now connected
to the WINLINK system, hams can easily communicate via Internet and
without Internet.  Example, today I connected to KN6NB-5 on 30M, just
to see if the upgrade was working.  I connected and received an email
from another ham that was sent a couple of days ago.  I had not
checked mail for a few days.  How I got the email, I have no clue.  In
other words, I don't know how it found me, I have not kept up on how
Winlink works.  I assume that I checked in to a WINMOR winlink
station, it checks WINLINK for any mail for me by using the Telnet
link and then sends me the mail via HF winmor.  While many may have
issues about the winlink concept, it now does do something
effectively, gets messages to a destination via variety of methods
..error free.

Andy K3UK


On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 11:08 PM, Andy obrien k3uka...@gmail.com wrote:
 Well, ROS diverted me and I am quite out of date with WINMOR and RMS
 Express.  I finally upgraded tonight and it looks like  it has taken a
 major leap forward with PACTOR now added  to the suite, plus may new
 features.  I'll play around some more before registering with the
 $39.00 fee but it looks very professional and well conceived.  VERY
 nice channel selection and display with time feature and really nifty
 channel filters that let you set minimum signal quality.      Pactor
 III is still probably the cat's meow, but this package now gives
 Telnet, Pactor (via hardware modem) and Winmor via soundcard. Winmore
 P2P or Winmor WL2K.  Very well done .  I'll try the K7EK station later
 tonight.

 See screen shot at http://www.obriensweb.com/wmor.jpg

 Andy K3UK

 RMS Express Revision History


 Revision        Date                    Description/changes

 0.5.1           3/13/2010       Minor updates for Pactor and help after 
 version
 0.5.0.0 testing.

 0.5.0.0         3/10/2010       Major update including New use of WINMOR TNC 
 and
 addition of Pactor and propagation prediction.

 0.4.2.0         1/21/2010       Release of 0.4.1.3

 0.4.1.3         1/20/2010       Change logging in KHzToHz to not log 
 exception on
 empty string.
                                Updated WMLinkProtocol.Process Control for 
 case HFF to not
 include state disconnecting.
                                Changed sound card restart threshold of 
 dttLastSoundCapture from 3
 sec to 7 sec.
                                Moved Reset of dttLastSoundCardCapture in 
 ProcessCapturedData to
 where Data is decimated by 2.
                                Modified RestartCaptureDevice to clear Capture 
 State and PTT
                                Modified StopRecord to clear capture state and 
 PTT.
                                Fix SetRMSCallListXML and SetRMSFreqListXML in 
 WinmorChannels and
 Winmor to correct error with multiple intervals of one frequency.
                                Extend intActivityTimeout from 15 to 20 
 seconds in
 WMLinkProtocol.DecodeFrames



Re: [digitalradio] WINMOR good

2010-03-25 Thread Ron Wenig
Hi Andy,

I guess you could say that the Winlink system is like an ISP like 
Verizon or Comcast. The CMS servers hold the mail until you connect to a 
gateway that polls the servers and checks for any mail addressed to you 
@winlink.org. The RF connection is like a cat5 extension cable. It 
brings the internet's email capability to a place that doesn't have 
connectivity like a remote area or a catastrophic area. With Winmor this 
ability to store and forward email to the internet is available with 
packet on vhf/uhf and HF using a sound card. It's an effective tool for 
emergency digital communications.

73, Ron ny3j

Andy obrien wrote:

 Another major update came out today. FYI, despite some limitations
 on noisy HF (like all modes) , my view is the the RMS package is now a
 complete one. A application that fills the void mentioned frequently,
 namely the lack on HF on-ramps. With Winmor HF stations now connected
 to the WINLINK system, hams can easily communicate via Internet and
 without Internet. Example, today I connected to KN6NB-5 on 30M, just
 to see if the upgrade was working. I connected and received an email
 from another ham that was sent a couple of days ago. I had not
 checked mail for a few days. How I got the email, I have no clue. In
 other words, I don't know how it found me, I have not kept up on how
 Winlink works. I assume that I checked in to a WINMOR winlink
 station, it checks WINLINK for any mail for me by using the Telnet
 link and then sends me the mail via HF winmor. While many may have
 issues about the winlink concept, it now does do something
 effectively, gets messages to a destination via variety of methods
 ..error free.

 Andy K3UK

 On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 11:08 PM, Andy obrien k3uka...@gmail.com 
 mailto:k3ukandy%40gmail.com wrote:
  Well, ROS diverted me and I am quite out of date with WINMOR and RMS
  Express. I finally upgraded tonight and it looks like it has taken a
  major leap forward with PACTOR now added to the suite, plus may new
  features. I'll play around some more before registering with the
  $39.00 fee but it looks very professional and well conceived. VERY
  nice channel selection and display with time feature and really nifty
  channel filters that let you set minimum signal quality. Pactor
  III is still probably the cat's meow, but this package now gives
  Telnet, Pactor (via hardware modem) and Winmor via soundcard. Winmore
  P2P or Winmor WL2K. Very well done . I'll try the K7EK station later
  tonight.
 
  See screen shot at http://www.obriensweb.com/wmor.jpg 
 http://www.obriensweb.com/wmor.jpg
 
  Andy K3UK
 
  RMS Express Revision History
 
 
  Revision Date Description/changes
 
  0.5.1 3/13/2010 Minor updates for Pactor and help after version
  0.5.0.0 testing.
 
  0.5.0.0 3/10/2010 Major update including New use of WINMOR TNC and
  addition of Pactor and propagation prediction.
 
  0.4.2.0 1/21/2010 Release of 0.4.1.3
 
  0.4.1.3 1/20/2010 Change logging in KHzToHz to not log exception on
  empty string.
  Updated WMLinkProtocol.Process Control for case HFF to not
  include state disconnecting.
  Changed sound card restart threshold of dttLastSoundCapture from 3
  sec to 7 sec.
  Moved Reset of dttLastSoundCardCapture in ProcessCapturedData to
  where Data is decimated by 2.
  Modified RestartCaptureDevice to clear Capture State and PTT
  Modified StopRecord to clear capture state and PTT.
  Fix SetRMSCallListXML and SetRMSFreqListXML in WinmorChannels and
  Winmor to correct error with multiple intervals of one frequency.
  Extend intActivityTimeout from 15 to 20 seconds in
  WMLinkProtocol.DecodeFrames
 

 





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[digitalradio] Message via HF (Winmor)

2010-03-25 Thread k3uk
Just a test message to the group vi a Winmor HF station.

Andy K3UK



RE: [digitalradio] WINMOR good

2010-03-25 Thread David Little
Andy,
 
The RMS WINMOR station is always in contact with one of the CMS (Common
Mail Servers).
 
When you negotiate a connection, it checks for any mail waiting for your
call.
 
You can also send mail through the RMS WINMOR Station.  It doesn't have
to be to a winlink.org address.
 
There is also a RMS Relay for store and forward, in case the RMS WINMOR
station you connect to has loss of internet.  
 
In that case, when you disconnect, it will connect to another RMS
Station via RF and pass your traffic.
 
I haven't fully implemented RMS Relay in my RMS WINMOR server, as it is
only for Pactor 3 at this point.  
 
I expect that will also change in the future.
 
I wish I had a better grasp that what I indicate here.
 
It is a nice network; much wider in it's scope than most realize.
 
David
KD4NUE
 
 
 

-Original Message-
From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Andy obrien
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 7:29 PM
To: digitalradio
Subject: [digitalradio] WINMOR good


  

Another major update came out today. FYI, despite some limitations
on noisy HF (like all modes) , my view is the the RMS package is now a
complete one. A application that fills the void mentioned frequently,
namely the lack on HF on-ramps. With Winmor HF stations now connected
to the WINLINK system, hams can easily communicate via Internet and
without Internet. Example, today I connected to KN6NB-5 on 30M, just
to see if the upgrade was working. I connected and received an email
from another ham that was sent a couple of days ago. I had not
checked mail for a few days. How I got the email, I have no clue. In
other words, I don't know how it found me, I have not kept up on how
Winlink works. I assume that I checked in to a WINMOR winlink
station, it checks WINLINK for any mail for me by using the Telnet
link and then sends me the mail via HF winmor. While many may have
issues about the winlink concept, it now does do something
effectively, gets messages to a destination via variety of methods
..error free.

Andy K3UK

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 11:08 PM, Andy obrien k3uka...@gmail.
mailto:k3ukandy%40gmail.com com wrote:
 Well, ROS diverted me and I am quite out of date with WINMOR and RMS
 Express.  I finally upgraded tonight and it looks like  it has taken a
 major leap forward with PACTOR now added  to the suite, plus may new
 features.  I'll play around some more before registering with the
 $39.00 fee but it looks very professional and well conceived.  VERY
 nice channel selection and display with time feature and really nifty
 channel filters that let you set minimum signal quality.  Pactor
 III is still probably the cat's meow, but this package now gives
 Telnet, Pactor (via hardware modem) and Winmor via soundcard. Winmore
 P2P or Winmor WL2K.  Very well done .  I'll try the K7EK station later
 tonight.

 See screen shot at http://www.obriensw
http://www.obriensweb.com/wmor.jpg eb.com/wmor.jpg

 Andy K3UK

 RMS Express Revision History


 RevisionDateDescription/changes

 0.5.1   3/13/2010   Minor updates for Pactor and help
after version
 0.5.0.0 testing.

 0.5.0.0 3/10/2010   Major update including New use of
WINMOR TNC and
 addition of Pactor and propagation prediction.

 0.4.2.0 1/21/2010   Release of 0.4.1.3

 0.4.1.3 1/20/2010   Change logging in KHzToHz to not log
exception on
 empty string.
Updated WMLinkProtocol.Process Control
for case HFF to not
 include state disconnecting.
Changed sound card restart threshold of
dttLastSoundCapture from 3
 sec to 7 sec.
Moved Reset of dttLastSoundCardCapture
in ProcessCapturedData to
 where Data is decimated by 2.
Modified RestartCaptureDevice to clear
Capture State and PTT
Modified StopRecord to clear capture
state and PTT.
Fix SetRMSCallListXML and
SetRMSFreqListXML in WinmorChannels and
 Winmor to correct error with multiple intervals of one frequency.
Extend intActivityTimeout from 15 to 20
seconds in
 WMLinkProtocol.DecodeFrames







[digitalradio] Re: Message via HF (Winmor)

2010-03-25 Thread obrienaj


--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, k...@... wrote:

 Just a test message to the group vi a Winmor HF station.
 
 Andy K3UK



It worked !  My thanks to KB1OOQ for the 80M on-ramp.  It took 5 minutes to 
pass the message  but hey...



Andy K3UK



*** Connected to WL2K RMS: KB1OOQ-5 @ 2010/03/26 00:32:38
RMS WINMOR Bedford NH USA (FN42FW)
240 Minutes remaining
[WL2K-2.2.1.0-B2FIHM$]
Halifax CMS via KB1OOQ-5 
   [RMS Express-0.5.5.0-B2F]
   ; KB1OOQ-5 DE K3UK (FN02HK)
   FC EM EZ10XB1F8FPP 239 204 0
   F A5
FS Y
*** Sending EZ10XB1F8FPP...
FF
   FQ
*** Disconnected from WL2K RMS: KB1OOQ-5 @ 2010/03/26 00:37:33



[digitalradio] Re: Message via HF (Winmor)

2010-03-25 Thread aa777888athotmaildotcom
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, obrienaj k3uka...@... wrote:
 
 --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, k3uk@ wrote:
 
  Just a test message to the group vi a Winmor HF station.
  
  Andy K3UK
 
 
 It worked !  My thanks to KB1OOQ for the 80M on-ramp.  It took 5 minutes to 
 pass the message  but hey...
 
 Andy K3UK
 
 *** Connected to WL2K RMS: KB1OOQ-5 @ 2010/03/26 00:32:38
 RMS WINMOR Bedford NH USA (FN42FW)
 240 Minutes remaining
 [WL2K-2.2.1.0-B2FIHM$]
 Halifax CMS via KB1OOQ-5 
[RMS Express-0.5.5.0-B2F]
; KB1OOQ-5 DE K3UK (FN02HK)
FC EM EZ10XB1F8FPP 239 204 0
F A5
 FS Y
 *** Sending EZ10XB1F8FPP...
 FF
FQ
 *** Disconnected from WL2K RMS: KB1OOQ-5 @ 2010/03/26 00:37:33


Very cool, Andy, sending a message to the Yahoo Group via Winmor and the 
Winlink Global HF Email System!

Just so everyone doesn't think that Winmor is dog slow, below is a section of 
my current Winmor RMS (Radio Mail Server) log file from this early evening. If 
you've got good propagation you are going to go fast. If not, well then I guess 
you are Andy :-)

2010/03/26 00:32:28 RMS WINMOR Bedford NH USA (FN42FW)
2010/03/26 00:32:29 240 Minutes remaining
2010/03/26 00:32:29 Callsign :
2010/03/26 00:32:29 K3UK
2010/03/26 00:32:29 Password :
2010/03/26 00:32:29 CMSTelnet KB1OOQ-5 3570700 21
2010/03/26 00:32:29 [WL2K-2.2.1.0-B2FIHM$]
2010/03/26 00:32:29 Halifax CMS via KB1OOQ-5 
2010/03/26 00:33:47 [RMS Express-0.5.5.0-B2F]
2010/03/26 00:33:47 ; KB1OOQ-5 DE K3UK (FN02HK)
2010/03/26 00:34:46 FC EM EZ10XB1F8FPP 239 204 0
2010/03/26 00:34:46 F A5
2010/03/26 00:34:47 Receiving binary data...
2010/03/26 00:34:47 FS Y
2010/03/26 00:36:46 FF
  
2010/03/26 00:41:36 RMS WINMOR Bedford NH USA (FN42FW)
2010/03/26 00:41:37 236 Minutes remaining
2010/03/26 00:41:37 Callsign :
2010/03/26 00:41:37 KC1PO
2010/03/26 00:41:37 Password :
2010/03/26 00:41:37 CMSTelnet KB1OOQ-5 3570700 21
2010/03/26 00:41:38 [WL2K-2.2.1.0-B2FIHM$]
2010/03/26 00:41:38 Perth CMS via KB1OOQ-5 
2010/03/26 00:42:22 [RMS Express-0.5.5.0-B2F]
2010/03/26 00:42:22 ; KB1OOQ-5 DE KC1PO (FN42IH)
2010/03/26 00:42:22 FF
2010/03/26 00:42:23 FC EM HHJIRMPXSYQZ 4876 4707 0
2010/03/26 00:42:24 F 9C
2010/03/26 00:42:35 Sending binary data...
2010/03/26 00:42:35 FS Y
2010/03/26 00:46:55 FQ

The first entry is Andy's traffic. Because of the protocol overhead even 
connections that pass no traffic take approximately 2 minutes from start to 
finish. The more you send the less the overhead affects the aggregate data 
rate. You can see the connect in the log right after Andy moved a message that 
had 4707 bytes (compressed, uncompressed it was 4876) in about 5 minutes. 
That's flirting with 1Kbyte/min over a 500Hz bandwidth HF connection INCLUDING 
overhead, i.e. not bad! That is pretty typical for a 500Hz Winmor connection 
with good propagation. With very good propagation rates can approach 
2Kbytes/min, i.e. VERY not bad for 500Hz bandwidth!

Finally, as Dave noted there is no RMS relay yet for Winmor. So there is no 
true, organic (radio based), mesh network, store and forward YET. For now 
Winmor is dependent on the internet to move messages between the Winmor CMS 
mail servers. Nevertheless, if you are in an internet denied area (no wireline 
or commercial wireless) you can now send and receive internet email over HF and 
do it WITHOUT a $1000 Pactor modem.

73

k*b*l*0*0*q




Re: [digitalradio] Re: Message via HF (Winmor)

2010-03-25 Thread Andy obrien
Thanks for the explanation.  A few years ago, I expressed concern that
hams were drifting towards the Internet and expensive PACTOR modems
for emergency messages.  Now with RMS Express/Winmor, PSKmail,and
NBEMS ,  we have plenty of good HF options to choose from. The large
network of RMS stations on HF has several advantages in North America,
in Europe I think PSKMAIL has a wider network.

Andy K3UK

 Very cool, Andy, sending a message to the Yahoo Group via Winmor and the 
 Winlink Global HF Email System!

 Just so everyone doesn't think that Winmor is dog slow, below is a section of 
 my current Winmor RMS (Radio Mail Server) log file from this early evening. 
 If you've got good propagation you are going to go fast. If not, well then I 
 guess you are Andy :-)


 The first entry is Andy's traffic. Because of the protocol overhead even 
 connections that pass no traffic take approximately 2 minutes from start to 
 finish. The more you send the less the overhead affects the aggregate data 
 rate. You can see the connect in the log right after Andy moved a message 
 that had 4707 bytes (compressed, uncompressed it was 4876) in about 5 
 minutes. That's flirting with 1Kbyte/min over a 500Hz bandwidth HF connection 
 INCLUDING overhead, i.e. not bad! That is pretty typical for a 500Hz Winmor 
 connection with good propagation. With very good propagation rates can 
 approach 2Kbytes/min, i.e. VERY not bad for 500Hz bandwidth!

 Finally, as Dave noted there is no RMS relay yet for Winmor. So there is no 
 true, organic (radio based), mesh network, store and forward YET. For now 
 Winmor is dependent on the internet to move messages between the Winmor CMS 
 mail servers. Nevertheless, if you are in an internet denied area (no 
 wireline or commercial wireless) you can now send and receive internet email 
 over HF and do it WITHOUT a $1000 Pactor modem.

 73

 k*b*l*0*0*q

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[digitalradio] KB1OOQ off line

2010-03-25 Thread k3uk
FYI 

Comcast has bit the dust in my neck of the woods. I've taken the station 
off-line, probably for the rest of the evening.

Sorry folks. And just when I got it running well again, too. Nothing I can do 
about Comcast, though
KB1OOQ 

Andy K3UK
via winmor



[digitalradio] Re: KB1OOQ-5 back ON-LINE (Comcast comes through)

2010-03-25 Thread aa777888athotmaildotcom
Pretty good, those Comcast folks. Expensive as hell, but good. Fixed in an hour 
and before bedtime, even :-)

Very unusual to have an outage, actually, especially with no weather in the 
area. In 10 years I can count them on the fingers of one hand.

--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, k...@... wrote:

 FYI 
 
 Comcast has bit the dust in my neck of the woods. I've taken the station 
 off-line, probably for the rest of the evening.
 
 Sorry folks. And just when I got it running well again, too. Nothing I can do 
 about Comcast, though
 KB1OOQ 
 
 Andy K3UK
 via winmor