Re: [digitalradio] QRV 14074.0 ALE-400 FAE

[Andy obrien]

I'm there too
K3UK

On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Tony  wrote:
>
>
> All,
>
> Anyone care for an ARQ chat? I'm QRV ALE-400 FAE...
>
> 14074.0 USB + 1600Hz -- beaming west. Time is 00:45z...
>
> Tony -K2MO
> 

Re: [digitalradio] JT65A on 17 & 30M

[Andy obrien]

10138.2 is what I use


Andy K3UK

On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Dave  wrote:
>
>
> Does anyone use JT65A on 17 or 30 meters, and if so, what frequency is used
> on both?
>
> Tnx es 73
> Dave
> KB3MOW
>
> 

[digitalradio] Fwd: [KenwoodTS-2000] TS-2000 for sale

[Andy obrien]

-- Forwarded message --
From: Gene Gabry 
Date: Sat, May 30, 2009 at 5:40 PM
Subject: [KenwoodTS-2000] TS-2000 for sale
To: kenwoodts-2...@yahoogroups.com





Hello all,

I am changing the shack around, and have for sale my TS-2000, S/N40400154.
I am the original owner, nonsmoking enviornment. Rig was purchased in
September of 2002, and has never had the dreaded driver issue.
The rig is a cosmetic 10, and has been treated with care. The rig
comes with the following: Heil Goldline GM-5 microphone, original
manual, all original connectors, DC power cord, and original box and
shipping overpack box. Also going with the rig is a Rigblaster M8
digital interface, similar to the Rigblaster Plus. The M8 has all
connectors, cables and wall wart, manual and original box. Price for
all $1,350.00. Shipping UPS ground will typically cost about $25.00
insured for full value.
I can supply pictures upon request. I will be posting this item on
several other sites this weekend.
Please respond direct to either < gene_n...@yahoo.com > or < n...@comcast.net >

73 Gene N9TF

Re: [digitalradio] OT - Mobile mount in Ford Explorer

[Andy obrien]

Do the pictures at http://www.radiotimeline.com/equipment.htm  help?

Andy

On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 7:40 AM, Dave wrote:
>
>
> I apologize for the off-topic post.
>
> If anyone has done a mobile installation in a Ford Explorer, year 1998 or
> so, please contact me off-list. Having the darndest time finding a place for
> my little 2M rig!
>
> Tnx es 73
> Dave
> KB3MOW

[digitalradio] FLDIGI sought via cluster

[Andy obrien]

I saw this in Spotcollector today...

"K0BO on 50290.0 in PSK at 6/14/2009 2105Z (K: United States) Looking
for FLDIGI USER"

Wonder what he wanted ?

Andy K3UK

Re: [digitalradio] Re: New version of Mixw

[Andy obrien]

Nothing that I have heard.  Nick is somewhat more active, as his
health has improved,  but I hear that the focus of Mixw improvement is
on the logging aspect.

Andy


On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 3:37 AM, Simon (HB9DRV) wrote:
>
>
> Hi Andy,
>
> Is there any likelihood of future MixW development, for example adding
> Patrick's RSID or CALL-ID features? I get asked this myself and can't answer
> as I'm not on any MixW mailing lists.
>
> Simon Brown, HB9DRV
> www.ham-radio-deluxe.com
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Andrew O'Brien" 
>>
>> I should mention that this is an UPDATE with new web cluster link, you
>> need the full version already installed. DX Summit is now used as the
>> basis for the web cluster interface in MixW
>>
>
> 

Re: [digitalradio] Re: New version of Mixw

[Andy obrien]

I think that as a digital mode application, MixW is "good" , but it
has lagged seriously behind other applications in the past 2-3 years.
The DX cluster operations are no-where near as good as Winwarbler
affords via the  Spotcollector interface, or the opportunities DM780
has provides via  HRD's cluster interface.  Logging interfacing in
MixW is light-years behind DM780 ,  Multipsk, or Winwarbler (the
latter two seamlessly interface with DX Keeper), although Nick is
reportedly planning a major improvementt to Mixw's logger .  Multipsk
and Fldigi have many 'advanced: features for the digital mode
enthusiast that are not contained within MixW.  I remember when Skip
and Nick combined to take MixW to a level that had not been seen
before, so maybe Nick will achieve something similar in future
versions.  At the moment, in my opinion, it is an "app" that has past
its time.

Andy K3UK

[digitalradio] Time to start a PSK qrp freq?

[Andy obrien]

I received an email today lamenting the use of high power on PSK31, I
have to agree that high powered signals all cramped in to a small
segment of the band is quite frustrating.  I was wondering about
starting a PSK31 calling frequency on 20, 30, and 40.  How about VFO
14073 plus 1000 hz for 20M ?  Other suggestions?

Re: [digitalradio] MMSSTV: Chosing a soundcard besides it's default?

[Andy obrien]

Did you change the "device ID" in set-up MMSSTV /MISC area ?

Andy K3UK

On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 9:35 PM, frankk2ncc wrote:
>
>
> Hey group. Having trouble finding an answer, hoping you can help. Running
> short on time too. In MMSSTV, I can't seem to change from one sound card to
> the other. I have two in the PC, but MMSSTV wants to take the "wrong" one.
> Any ideas, or should I try another program?
>
> f, k2ncc
>
> 

Re: [digitalradio] Really beating the AGC issue with PSK ?

[Andy obrien]

while holding the TF-Set button...let up on the TF-Set
> after you have tapped the SSB button.
>
> You have now done the following:
>
> Set the A and B VFOs to the same freq and mode
> Reset the B vfo to USB (it got changed to CW when you hit the A=B button)
>
> I find I don't have to do this very often as 99% of the psk31 activity is on
> a specific band of frequencies centered at about 14.070 or 14.071 (cw
> receive). At 50 hz wide, that couple of kilohertz is a LOT of bandwidth, so
> you don't have to retune very often...you just use the waterfall/spectrum
> display and your mouse click for tuning.
>
> I've used this trick successfully with both a TS-870 and the new TS-2000,
> and it works beautifully. QRM on psk31 is a thing of the past with the
> outstanding dsp filtering in this radio. Once one learns the method for
> setting things up that I described above, it is psk31 heaven! At 50 hz
> bandwidth (and your shift set right on the money), there is no qrm.
>
> 73,
>
> .hasan, N0AN..
>
> p.s., notice when you close down the rx bandwidth your waterfall/spectrum
> display changes dramatically, showing the actual shape factor of your
> received bandwidtha nice idication of how well the dsp filtering is
> working in the TS-2000
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Andy obrien
> To: digitalradio
> Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 5:08 PM
> Subject: [digitalradio] Really beating the AGC issue with PSK ?
>
> From time to time we have had discussions here about the problem with
> PSK (and other modes) when a strong stations appears to grab the
> waterfall and wipe out all the other stations within a 2-3 Khz range.
> Because of this phenomenon, when I purchased a new rig, I looked for
> one that could have AGC totally off (when needed) and one that can
> employ narrow DSP filtering. I must say that I have not really solved
> this issue . I can see a marginal difference with AGC turned off but
> strong signals still essentially desensitize other stations in the
> waterfall. The DSP features do better and I can get rid of the
> phenomena by turning to a narrow filter. However this does not help
> if the offending station is with 300 - 500 Hz ( a lot when dealing
> with narrow digital modes).
>
> Does anyone have any advice on how to once and for all solve this
> issue? My rig is a TS2000
>
> Andy K3UK
>
> .
>
> 

Re: [digitalradio] The best of all features

[Andy obrien]

Many good points Ed, thanks for taking the time to write your
comments.  I would like to add that an overlooked application is
Winwarbler.  Winwarbler only does RTTY (AFSK and FSK) plus BPSK and
QPSK 31,63, and 125, but it has in my opinion the best features.  It's
multi-decoding capabilities and layout are superb.  When intergrated
with DX keeper and Spotcollector, it is peerless.



Andy K3UK

On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 4:11 AM, Ed Hekman wrote:
>
>

> fldigi comes the closest to replicating the simplicity and ease of use of
> Digipan but it adds many other modes and features. The ability to open the
> panoramic window and the logbook separately from the main QSO screen is very
> nice since I like to be able to decode other transmissions while I am in a
> QSO. The radio interface is a nice bonus that was setup quite easily for a
> couple radios. The capability to automatically post to PSK Reporter is a
> nice feature but I haven't been successful with that yet. The capability to
> integrate with DXKeeper with a 3rd party bridge is also nice but I haven't
> succeded with that yet either. And I think the flarq program greatly expands
> the usefulness to methods of operating beyond the normal one on one QSO.
> fldigi has been the primary program here since last fall until I acquired a
> more powerful computer that could more easily handle DM780. One very nice
> feature of DM780 that I use frequently is the capability to hit a button and
> have the radio and the program switch the radio frequency and the audio
> frequency to put the desired signal in the center of the radios narrow band
> filter.
>
> That is a brief synopsys of the highlights of each of the programs for me.
>
> Thing to look forward to:
> Panoramic screen decoding over bandwidths of 24 KHz up to 192 KHz.
> More SOMR (single operator, multiple radio) capability.
> Better integration with logging packages across the various programs to a
> common database on the network.
>

Re: [digitalradio] please unsubscribe from this group

[Andy obrien]

I "removed" him.

Andy

On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Rick
Westerfield wrote:
>
>
> You need to do this at Yahoo. Not from within this group. We cannot help you
> with this.
> Rick
>
>

[digitalradio] PC/Soundcard requirements for Softrock/SDR ?

[Andy obrien]

>
> I am probably more of an observer than most. I would like to be able to
> monitor activity on all bands all the time. For less than $20 per band, a
> softrock receiver kit can be purchased that monitors up to 96 KHz of
> spectrum with a relatively inexpensive sound card. Unfortunately I don't
> have the space or budget for all the computers and montors that would be
> needed for this.
>
> Ed
>

Thanks Ed, glad you are enjoying DX Lab Suite.  I wonder what PC and
soundcard capability ones needs to run softrock  and similar SDR cards
?

Andy K3UK

Re: [digitalradio] Spotted on Usenet: running HRD under Linux with Wine

[Andy obrien]

Way cool!

Andy

On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 8:47 PM, jhaynesatalumni wrote:
>
>
> From: m II 
> Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
> Subject: Ham Radio Deluxe on Linux
>
> It took a while to get it working right. there was a lot of fiddling
> with the 'Wine' setup.
>
> http://encyclopaedia-galactica.org/screenshot.png
>

Re: [digitalradio] Re: PC/Soundcard requirements for Softrock/SDR ?

[Andy obrien]

Thanks Ed for this detailed review.  I am thinking about a the  G40  (
 http://www.genesisradio.com.au/G40/) .  So, based upon your review ,
I may also need more RAM and possibly  two new soundcards.  I need to
factor the costs of that in to any decision as to whether it is
worthwhile.


Andy

Re: [digitalradio] microHam USB Interface III

[Andy obrien]

I'm not sure about idiot proof, does it use the Microham device router
with audio switching?  If so, that always confuses me.  However, good
to see you join the Microham "club", I used the Microkeyer...one of my
best  ever ham investments .


Andy K3UK



On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 5:54 AM, Simon (HB9DRV) wrote:
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I would like to give a big thumbs-up to the microHam USB Interface III -
> I've just set it up with my TS-480SAT, DELL M1330 laptop and HRD software
> for 6m digital operation. The microHam is idiot-proof and working nicely.
>
> It was a pleasure to meet Jozef from microHam at the Friedrichshafen show
> yesterday.
>
> Now for some serious dog-walking...
>
> Simon Brown, HB9DRV
> www.ham-radio-deluxe.com

Re: [digitalradio] Flag Counter

[Andy obrien]

Very cool, thanks!

Andy K3UK


On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Vlad UA6JD wrote:
>
>
> -Off topic -
> If anybody interesting adding Flag Counter to his www.qrz.com page you
> can see in www.qrz.com/ua6jd example - for install just click on picture
> and follow instruction
>
> --
> 73 Vlad UA6JD
>
> 

Re: [digitalradio] Flag Counter

[Andy obrien]

I do not understand how you insert the HTML in to a QRZ URL ?

On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Andy obrien wrote:
> Very cool, thanks!
>
> Andy K3UK
>

Re: Re[2]: [digitalradio] Flag Counter

[Andy obrien]

Thanks Vlad, I got it working now, I think

Andy K3UK

Re: [digitalradio] CW Contest logging program

[Andy obrien]

I use Win-test, try the demo version.

Andy K3UK


On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 3:39 PM, mhz14071 wrote:
>
>
> I am unsuccessful in getting N1MM to work with my setup.
> I am looking for comments, on other contest logging programs
> that would work using USB to Navigator with internal Winkey
> 73
> Stan N1ZX
>
> 

[digitalradio] K3UK eQSL US-CA Counties sked page

[Andy obrien]

At the suggestion of some of the eQSL folks, I have added a eQSL Sked
Page to my site.  This enables eQSL users to congregate and arrange
skeds for needed WAS-CA counties .  When you log in you will see the
name , state, and county of others that are also logged in.  It is
new, and not as well used as my LOTW Sked page , but feel free to give
it a try.  I use my DX Keeper reports to create a text file of
counties I have confirmed via eQSL and keep this file open.  When a
new county logs in, I check the DX Keeper report and then ask that
user if he was to try a  live QSO.

http://www.obriensweb.com/sked/  is the URL.  If you are new, you will
need to log in with your call sign and a few other items .  After you
successfully log in with the basic info.  Go back to the 'edit" page
and choose your county from the drop down-list.  I have not added
Canadian counties yet but Canadian counties can still make use of the
page. Existing  USA users of my sked pages should do the
aforementioned second step to add their county.


If you are really adventurous, you can also try multipage links
(after you have used the first link, above, to log in) As the URL
implies this is really overkill, a very busy set of frames that lets
you monitor 4 of my sked pages at once.  You need a good size monitor
and high resolution settings to make use of this.  I did this mainly
for myself, but feel free to use  it if you need to keep an eye on
several sked pages at once.  You could actually design you ownr multi
sked page , if you have good frame coding skills and come up with
something better than my crude efforts, let me know.

my http://www.obriensweb.com/overkill.html page   gives you the eQSL
US-CA , LOTW TP/DXCC , SKCC, and VHF/UHF sked pages
my http://www.obriensweb.com/overkill2.html page   gives you the eQSL
US-CA , LOTW TP/DXCC , Digitalradio , and VHF/UHF sked pages

You CAN post from within the pages , click on a link on the top of
each of the pages  (SKCC, WA-CA,  etc) and the four frame page becomes
three with a text entry box for posting.

Thanks , as usual, go to N8FQ for the county coding!

Andy K3UK

[digitalradio] Use the *$%#ing RS ID!

[Andy obrien]

OK folks, I am officially declaring any excuse NOT to use RIS ID as
invalid.  Now that FLDIGI, MULTIPSK, and DM780 all have it... use it!
Obviously when using PS31, RTTY, and Packet, you probably do not need
it.  Last night I saw several people CQing with "odd" Olivia mode
configurations, no responses .  My view is that it should be standard
operating practice to CQ with RS-ID on when using anything but RTTY
and PSK31!

Andy K3UK

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Use the *$%#ing RS ID!/QST article

[Andy obrien]

Steve Ford from ARLL/QST is on this list.  Maybe it is something he
can fit in to an edition.  I can work with him if he is interested .

Andy K3UK


On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 6:45 AM, Vojtech Bubnik wrote:
>
>
> Who voluteers to write an article for QST? This is exactly the publicity
> this tool needs.
> 73, Vojtech OK1IAK
>

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Use the *$%#ing RS ID!

[Andy obrien]

MFSK16, not Olivia.


On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 11:16 AM, David Little wrote:
>
>
> This is not an official answer, but I will take a stab at it.
>
> RSID  is an Olivia transmission at the beginning of each digital
> transmission that contains the operating parameters used by the originating
>

[digitalradio] Re: Call for TAPR PSR Journal Articles & TAPR PSR On-Line

[Andy obrien]

Thanks for the clarification Mark.



On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 11:49 PM, Mark Thompson wrote:
> Andy -
>
> Steve Ford posts the Call for Papers for the ARRL/TAPR DCC (Digital
> Communications Conference).
>
> The announcement I posted is for the submission of articles to the upcoming
> TAPR PSR quarterly newsletter.
>
> Information about TAPR membership is available at:
> http://www.tapr.org/organization.html#membership
>
> Look forward to seeing many of you at the DCC in Chicago on September 25 -
> 27.
>
> More information about the DCC is available at:  www.tapr.org/dcc
>
> 73, Mark, WB9QZB
> Chicago, IL

> --- In
> digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Mark Thompson  wrote:
>>
>> TAPR PSR Jounrnal On-Line
>>
>>
> http://www.tapr.org/psr.html
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Stan Horzepa 
>> To: tapr-annou...@...
>> Sent: Mon, Jul 6, 2009 8:07 pm
>> Subject: [tapr-announce] write now
>>
>>
>> This is Stan announcing that the TAPR editorial board is now considering
>> articles for the Summer issue of our quarterly newsletter, Packet Status
>> Register (PSR). If you would like to submit anything for PSR, please e-mail
>> it to me, your PSR editor, as soon as possible. (The PSR deadline is July
>> 31.)
>>
>> Remember, each piece that is published in PSR extends your TAPR membership
>> by three months!
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Stan Horzepa, WA1LOU, PSR Editor
>
>

Re: [digitalradio] duplicate messages

[Andy obrien]

Are you subscribed twice ?

On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 7:24 PM, ylrgb wrote:
>
>
> Anybody know why I might be receiving two copies of all traffic on this
> server and only this server when I only see one copy each on the web site?
>
> Brent, KE4MZ
>

Re: [digitalradio] Get more out of digital with RISD

[Andy obrien]

I can add to Tony's advocacy. Usually, when I hear RS-ID tones on-air
it is usually someone from this group (Rick, Tony, John, Sholto, etc).
 Last night, I heard a lone Olivia station on 20M.  My first guess and
to what Olivia variant was being used turned out to be wrong.  Then,
as the person CQ's again, he used RS-ID and my Multipsk software
automatically detected it and switched to the correct mode.  The other
ham was using Fldigi.  It sure makes things much easier

Andy K3UK

[digitalradio] QST article about RS-ID

[Andy obrien]

I have composed article for Steve Ford at ARRL/QST about RS-ID.  Due
to the heavy load at QST ( many feature articles in the pipe-line )
and advice from Steve, I wrote the article for inclusion in his
column, Eclectic Technology.  This limits the submission to 700 words.
 Accordingly, I have focused on the utility of RS-ID rather than the
technical details.  The article will reference additional reading on
the  technical details and also provides reference to current
applications that implemented RS-ID.  Am I correct in listing the
following

Pocketdigi
Multipsk
Fldigi
DM780

Did I miss any applications ?


Acknowledgement is given to Patrick for his pioneering  work, and
Vojtech, Dave/Skip, and Simon for their collaboration.  I will also
reference Tony's you tube video and include some pictures for Steve to
consider.

The  article should meet the August 1st deadline for November QST.

Andy K3UK

Re: [digitalradio] PSK500

[Andy obrien]

Thanks Rein.  Is there a PSK2700 ?   That would certainly get Peter
Martinez's eyes rolling.



Andy K3UK


On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 7:51 AM, Rein Couperus  wrote:
> I am testing PSK500 on HF at the moment. It fits nicely in a 500 Hz filter, 
> and is
> lightning fast on a clean link...
>
> I can see it used only for arq message transfer, with automatic fallback to 
> slower speeds and
> bandwidth...
>
> Rein PA0R
>

Re: [digitalradio] Re: wandering ... screenshot . AV (MS) and AW (Puppy)

[Andy obrien]

Thanks Rein.  My settings are the same except that I do not have a
narrow filter employed all the time.  However, reducing my IF DSP
settings to the narrowest setting on a TS2000 still causes fldigi to
move towards a nearby unwanted signal and put it outside the range of
a client/server that I may be in contact with.  While typing this,
with narrow filter and AFc off, I moved 125 Hz and stayed there (in
PSK250 mode).




On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Rein Couperus  wrote:
> The settings are at http://pskmail.wikispaces.com/FAQ+Radio
>
> I have these on PI4TUE, DA5UWG and PA0R (of course all running linuxes),
> and none of the systems has the problems you describe.
>
> .Attached a screenshot of PI4TUE during a pactor attack...
> the pactor signal is S9, and the system remains on freq, which is 1500 Hz
> for the ICOM 756...
>
> The second screen shot, taken at the same time at PA0R with the DSP of the K3
> open, shows it is actually a pactor 3 signal (pactor 3 is not alowed in 
> region 1.
> max allowed bandwidth is 500 Hz), having a bandwidth of some 2 kHz...
> The pactor signal is S9. Again here the cursor remains at exactly 1000 Hz.
>
> 73,
>
> Rein PA0R
>
>
>> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
>> Von: "Andy obrien" 
>> Gesendet: 24.10.09 15:38:16
>> An: fldigi-alpha 
>> Betreff: Re: wandering ... screenshot . AV (MS) and AW (Puppy)
>
>
>> The screenshot at  http://www.obriensweb.com/fldigi.jpg  shows both
>> fldigi and Multipsk in PSK250 mode and set originally to 1000 Hz on
>> the waterfall.  Tuned to a position near a moderate strength SSB phone
>> signal.  The picture shows fldigi (while jpskmail is open) dragged
>>  away from 1000 hz by the presence of the phone signal, down to 840
>> Hz. Multipsk remains at 1000 (998).  This is using AV under Windows, I
>> will move on to AW now.
>>
>> Under AW , I can replicate the same phenomena under the Puppy with
>> fldigi 3.13AV and the PSKMAIL SERVER (I do not use client under linux)
>> .  With a strong RTTY signal nearby and fldigi AV running alone,
>> fldigi stays  fairly stead as I tune towards the RTTY station, the
>> waterfall place holds within 20Hz.  With the pskmail server active ,
>> it wanders all over the place.
>>
>> Under Windows the wandering continues in fldigi even if javapskmail is
>> closed, it stops wandering if I close both and then boot up fldigi
>> alone.  Under Linux, the wandering stops if I close the server and
>> leave fldigi running.
>>
>> Again, I remain open to the possibility that this is due to my settings.
>>
>> Andy K3UK
>> ___
>> fldigi-alpha mailing list
>> fldigi-al...@lists.berlios.de
>> https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/fldigi-alpha
>>
>
> --
> http://pa0r.blogspirit.com
>
>
>
> 
>
> Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Pages at
> http://www.obriensweb.com/sked
>
> Recommended digital mode software:  Winwarbler, FLDIGI, DM780, or Multipsk
> Logging Software:  DXKeeper or Ham Radio Deluxe.
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

[digitalradio] A week of PSKMAIl (with Fldigi)

[Andy obrien]

I wanted to thank Rein for his hard work in developing a simple to use
Puppy ISO for us non-Linux users to be able to try PSKMAIL server
operations. I am quite impressed by the features that PSKMAIL has.

I know that the concept is simple,  but the addition of RSID and the
multi mode nature of fldigi really make a difference for PSKMAIL.
Yesterday, my server was monitoring the band in Thorr22 mode .  I
heard weak RSID on the band and noticed I had been switched to THOR8
by the reception of the RSID  and then the person connected to my
server.  I am impressed that we have a email and APRS system that can
be used on HF and we can change the mail server station's mode if
necessary.

I still have to do some experimenting to find that mode that will do
error free ARQ type message exchanges in just "fair"  conditions.  I
have had people connect and try Thorr22, 11, and 8.  plus various BPSK
, and also MFK16.  We have all had those QSOs where a really weak
signal still produces 100% copy while keyboarding.  However I have yet
to see that using ALE, WINMOR, FLARQ, or PSKMAIL.  Under just fair
conditions , using the aforementioned in ARQ/FEC states, it always
seems difficult to get a message through when conditions are not
optimum.  MFSK16 did pretty well though, so perhaps I will play around
more with that.  While we know that PSKMAIL works well with modes like
PSK250 and THOR22 when there is a good signal, my goal is to find a
mode that can be switched to to get a message through during poor
conditions, even if it is very slow due to repeated request to resend
data .

After a week of playing around, asking questions, and reading some
instructions, I have learned there is a lot to PSKMAIL.  Rein PA0R
and Pär SM0RWO  should be congratulated for their  fine product . Dave
W1HKJ  , Stelios M0GLD  and  Leigh WA5ZNU should likewise be
congratulated for their innovations in fldigi.  In fact I will go as
far as saying that if you want your station to be prepared for digital
mode use in emergency situations, Fldigi is now THE software that each
ham should have. The pskmail, flarq,and  wrap file options with Fldigi
give the "emcomm" ham all they need for either VHF or HF emergency
work.  That is indeed a bold statement but one that I feel I can
verify.  My view is that every station at a EOC or hospital should
have a boot disc with FLdigi laying around, ready for use...just in
case.  In fact, on Monday I will place a copy in the RACES station at
my local hospital.

Andy k3uk

Re: [digitalradio] HF PBBS Mail - ECOMM Alternative?

[Andy obrien]

Thanks for the reminder Tony.  How do we know who our home BBS is?  I assume
we still use that in the address line ?

Andy K3UK

On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 4:37 PM, Tony  wrote:

>
>
> All,
>
> I've noticed there isn't much HF PBBS / Mailbox traffic these days despite
> there being quite a few dedicated stations on the air. The are several in
> use on the 105 Net frequency (14105.5 LSB) running KamPlus TNCs that accept
> mail. I think it's worthwhile to keep this in ones "bag of tricks" when it
> comes to emergency communications or general messaging as an alternative to
> other methods.
>
> We all know that 300 baud Packet is not the most robust mode in the
> toolbox, but it does fall into the same category as other fast modes
> (PSK250) that are geared toward high-speed messaging; they all require good
> signals and work well under stable conditions. The fact that there are many
> stations on the air makes it easier to find one with acceptable signals to
> run 300 baud Packet (see list of heard stations by AJ0O-1 below)
>
> I've been testing the past two weeks with, KC6OAR-1, W0TX-1 and AJ0O-1 to
> name a few and the results have been  very good. Multipsk and Mixw are
> easy to use and Winpack (yes it's still available) works well with the AGW
> sound card engine. John, VE5MU and I have been messaging back-and-forth
> the last week or two - it works quite well.
>
> Just a thought...
>
> Tony -K2MO
>
>
>
> 1:Fm K2MO To AJ0O-1 [15:58:56]
> *** CONNECTED With Station AJ0O-1
> [KAM-XL-1.0-HM$]
> 96872 BYTES AVAILABLE IN 26 BLOCKS
> THERE ARE 7 MESSAGES NUMBERED 1-12
> ENTER COMMAND:  B,J,K,L,R,S, or Help >
> J
> KB0MPY/1*25-OCT-09 1923Z
> VA3HRA/1*25-OCT-09 1923Z
> CO7GG-15/1   25-OCT-09 1927Z
> RZWBOX/1 25-OCT-09 1930Z
> NN4NC/1* 25-OCT-09 1935Z
> KQ4TG/1  25-OCT-09 1943Z
> KC6OAR-1/1   25-OCT-09 1945Z
> AB4KR/1  25-OCT-09 1948Z
> VE3PZ/1* 25-OCT-09 1951Z
> AB4KR-7/125-OCT-09 1951Z
> VE1JOT/1 25-OCT-09 1952Z
> NN4NC-5/125-OCT-09 1952Z
> KC6OAR-7/1   25-OCT-09 1952Z
> KC6OAR/1 25-OCT-09 1954Z
> K9VSO/1* 25-OCT-09 1955Z
> W0TX/1*  25-OCT-09 1956Z
> VE1AMA/1 25-OCT-09 1956Z
> CO2IZ/1  25-OCT-09 1957Z
> NN4NC-7/125-OCT-09 1959Z
> VE1AMA-7/1   25-OCT-09 1959Z
> WA6RZW/1*25-OCT-09 1959Z
> K2MO/1   25-OCT-09 1959Z
> ENTER COMMAND:  B,J,K,L,R,S, or Help >
>
>  
>

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Downloaded Puppy Pskmail Server Now what?

[Andy obrien]

Russell,

.pskmail/pskmailrc.pl

is the file that you can edit .  This file can contain you callsign,
lat/lontitude and SMTP server if you do not want to enter in each time you
boot the software.  Itis also where you can set some scan parameters.  look
for the line with SCANNER in it and change 'F' to an 'S' if you want to scan
modes and not frequencies.  There is also another file freqs.txt that you
can edit and add different modes if you want to.

Andy K3UK

On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Russell Blair wrote:

>
>
> Andy, Got up and running but I need to change some setting, what folder do
> I change the scanning to no scan. and what other files do I need to edit.
>
> Russell
>
> 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving
> door!
> 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong
> enough to take everything you have.
> - Thomas Jefferson
>
>
> " IN GOD WE TRUST "
>
>
> Russell Blair (NC5O)
> Skype-Russell.Blair
> Hell Field #300
> DRCC #55
> 30m Dig-group #693
>
>
>  --
> *From:* obrienaj 
> *To:* digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Sun, October 25, 2009 2:01:19 PM
> *Subject:* [digitalradio] Re: Downloaded Puppy Pskmail Server Now what?
>
>
>
>
> Great news Alan.
>
> Since PSKMAIL also is an APRS conduit , and uses the Internet to pass some
> items to APRS servers, it would be useful for you to see if you can connect
> to the internet. So, first thing would be to try and configure you PC to
> detect wither your ethernet port or your wireless port. I am not at that
> screen at the moment and cannot remember the steps, but try clicking on the
> CONNECT ICON on your puppy desktop and go from there. Let me know if you
> need more help.
>
> Start FLdigi
>
> Then to actually start the server, click on CONSOLE and then type
>
> 'pskmail_sever' (include the apostrophes ) then hit enter
>
> Answer the questions about your callsign, lontitude/latitude and your STMP
> address that you use (if you use outlook express look in accounts/properties
> /servers for the SMTP address
>
> After you enter those brief questions, the server will start in PSK250
> mode.
>
> If you want to change the mode, change it via fldigi. If you want to
> actually change modes on a schedule there are a couple of others steps.
> We'll do that later.
>
> I am going out for an hour , be back about 2000 UTC. We can test more then,
> if you need a test.
>
> Andy K3UK
>
> --- In digitalradio@ yahoogroups. com ,
> "ke4nu_7"  wrote:
> >
> > I downloaded and burned it to cd. I've brought up puppy o/s on my laptop.
> I see Fldigi and it works but what do I do to make a server out of this.
> Pardon my ignorance, but I don't know what to do next? thanks for any
> help..Alan
> >
>
>
>  
>

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Downloaded Puppy Pskmail Server Now what?

[Andy obrien]

I tried but no path between us Alan.  Last night K7EK had a good 30M path to
me from Washington, so perhaps later tonight we will be able to test your
server

On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 3:31 PM, ke4nu_7  wrote:

>
>
> Thanks for the info, I doubt if anyone would be able to hear me here in
> western montana on 10 mhz but its something to try..I'll give it a shot and
> see...73, Alan
>
>
> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com ,
> "obrienaj"  wrote:
> >
> >
> > Great news Alan.
> >
> > Since PSKMAIL also is an APRS conduit , and uses the Internet to pass
> some items to APRS servers, it would be useful for you to see if you can
> connect to the internet. So, first thing would be to try and configure you
> PC to detect wither your ethernet port or your wireless port. I am not at
> that screen at the moment and cannot remember the steps, but try clicking on
> the CONNECT ICON on your puppy desktop and go from there. Let me know if you
> need more help.
> >
> >
> > Start FLdigi
> >
> >
> > Then to actually start the server, click on CONSOLE and then type
> >
> > 'pskmail_sever' (include the apostrophes ) then hit enter
> >
> > Answer the questions about your callsign, lontitude/latitude and your
> STMP address that you use (if you use outlook express look in
> accounts/properties/servers for the SMTP address
> >
> > After you enter those brief questions, the server will start in PSK250
> mode.
> >
> > If you want to change the mode, change it via fldigi. If you want to
> actually change modes on a schedule there are a couple of others steps.
> We'll do that later.
> >
> > I am going out for an hour , be back about 2000 UTC. We can test more
> then, if you need a test.
> >
> > Andy K3UK
> >
> > --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com ,
> "ke4nu_7"  wrote:
> > >
> > > I downloaded and burned it to cd. I've brought up puppy o/s on my
> laptop. I see Fldigi and it works but what do I do to make a server out of
> this. Pardon my ignorance, but I don't know what to do next? thanks for any
> help..Alan
> > >
> >
>
>  
>

[digitalradio] Speaking of packet BBS', don't forget ALE

[Andy obrien]

Since Tony reminded us of the packet BBS world, I feel obliged to
mention ALE again.  yes, I know it is "old hat"  but it is still
spectacular in many ways.  Today I had PC-ALE scanning 8 bands in 16
seconds when I heard my station respond to someone.  A station in
Arizona had called up a net, I guess I was on the list of net stations
because he found me and I called him back automatically.  We then had
a nice chat on 20M.  Charles Brain should get two awards... one for
the most simple piece of software and one for the most complicated
piece of software.  PC-ALE is both simple and complex but one amazing
achievement.

Andy K3UK

Re: [digitalradio] Speaking of packet BBS', don't forget ALE

[Andy obrien]

Yes it does.  The software indicates an ability to listen and wait for a
clear frequency but it does not always work.  Same for several other
applications that periodically beacon their identification.

Andy K3UK


On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Charles Brabham  wrote:

>
>
> Doesn't PC ALE end up transmitting without listening? If so, it would not
> be suitable for BBS use. We have to stick with the PART97 regs and good
> operating procedure pretty closely.
>
> 73 DE Charles Brabham, N5PVL
>
>
>

[digitalradio] FLdigi and MT63

[Andy obrien]

On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Raymond Lunsford  wrote:
>
>
>
> Do you know much about FLDIGI?I am trying to use it with MTR-63 0n
> Mars but no good so far.K4YDI
>



What is not working for you?  Other than configuring your PC and rig
to talk with each other via Fldigi, operating MT63 is just a matter of
getting the MT63 parameters the same as your MARS net.  My the way,
quite a lot of MT63 on 20M today.

Oh, the soundcard calibration is more critical with MT63, so you may
want to run a calibration routine.  If it is off by a lot, you will
have trouble decoding signals.  Let me know if you want to try an
on-air test.



Andy K3UK

Re: [digitalradio] FLdigi and MT63

[Andy obrien]

Are the receiving stations able to actually hear your signal or see it on
their waterfall?  I just want to make sure your are actually sending audio
over the air.  If you are actually sending tones (e.g. the rig goes in to
transmit when you press TX and their is RF showing on your power meter) then
you need to match the receiving station's parameters .  You need to either
use MT63 500, MT63 1000 or MT63 2000.  That will need to be the same as the
receiving station.  Your other options are probably set by your MARS net.
Different MARS services use slightly different parameters, but usually they
use 1000 Hz MT63.  You can set these up in flidigi by going to CONFIGURE
them MISC then MODEM then MT63.



Andy K3UK



On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Raymond Lunsford wrote:

>
>
> When I xmt using tectronics signalink the info in does not come out
> correct at the recieving end.I need to find out how to fill in the
> blocks on FLDIGI.
>
>
> On 10/25/09, Andy obrien >
> wrote:
> > On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Raymond Lunsford 
> > 
> >
> > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Do you know much about FLDIGI?I am trying to use it with MTR-63 0n
> >> Mars but no good so far.K4YDI
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > What is not working for you? Other than configuring your PC and rig
> > to talk with each other via Fldigi, operating MT63 is just a matter of
> > getting the MT63 parameters the same as your MARS net. My the way,
> > quite a lot of MT63 on 20M today.
> >
> > Oh, the soundcard calibration is more critical with MT63, so you may
> > want to run a calibration routine. If it is off by a lot, you will
> > have trouble decoding signals. Let me know if you want to try an
> > on-air test.
> >
> >
>

Re: [digitalradio] Puppy mail config (pskmailrc.pl)

[Andy obrien]

Change the 'S' to 'F' in your file .  Then your freqs.txt file to

10147000,10147000,10147000,10147000,10147000


Make sure you are saving the edited file to the correct folder, the one that
it loads from.

You should be on 10147 if you want same frequencies as other 30M servers.


http://pskmail.wikispaces.com/scanning   is where the detailed info is.

Andy  K3UK



On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 8:46 PM, Russell Blair wrote:

>
>
> I cant got the program to stop scanning and changing modes, In '
> pskmailrc.pl' in the (scanner = " ") I was hoping that leaving it blank it
> would not scan. However that did not work. When I start the server it
> switches to 1.146.00, now in the in the qrg folder (freqs.txt) is
> <10146000,10146000,10146000,10146000,10146000> The mode is
> 
>  But when the server is started is shows
> <10146000,10146000,10146000,10146000,10146700> no type o, the mode is shown
> as  After the server is started it will switch bands. So need some help.
> I dont want it to switch band or modes. !
>
> Russell1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a
> revolving door!
> 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong
> enough to take everything you have.
> - Thomas Jefferson
>
> " IN GOD WE TRUST "
>
> Russell Blair (NC5O)
> Skype-Russell.Blair
> Hell Field #300
> DRCC #55
> 30m Dig-group #693
>
>  
>

Re: [digitalradio] Puppy mail config (pskmailrc.pl)

[Andy obrien]

What is the full path to your freqs.txt file?  It needs to match the
specified path in the pskmailrc.pl file.


Andy K3UK



On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Russell Blair
wrote:

>
>
> Well Andy I put an (F) in the scanners saved the txt and it stills load the
> wrong info. It acts as if the is loading from a different file, and renamed
> the freqs.txt to freqs-1.txt and and retyped a new freqs.txt and it still
> load the wrong info ..
> Well it bed time for me will working on this on Monday.
>
> Russell
>
> 1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a revolving
> door!
> 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong
> enough to take everything you have.
> - Thomas Jefferson
>
>
> " IN GOD WE TRUST "
>
>
> Russell Blair (NC5O)
> Skype-Russell.Blair
> Hell Field #300
> DRCC #55
> 30m Dig-group #693
>
>
>  --
> *From:* Andy obrien 
> *To:* digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Sun, October 25, 2009 8:24:52 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [digitalradio] Puppy mail config (pskmailrc.pl)
>
>
>
> Change the 'S' to 'F' in your file .  Then your freqs.txt file to
>
> 10147000,10147000, 10147000, 10147000, 10147000
>
>
> Make sure you are saving the edited file to the correct folder, the one
> that it loads from.
>
> You should be on 10147 if you want same frequencies as other 30M servers.
>
>
> http://pskmail. wikispaces. 
> com/scanning<http://pskmail.wikispaces.com/scanning>
> is where the detailed info is.
>
> Andy  K3UK
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 8:46 PM, Russell Blair  yahoo.com
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I cant got the program to stop scanning and changing modes, In '
>> pskmailrc.pl' in the (scanner = " ") I was hoping that leaving it blank
>> it would not scan. However that did not work. When I start the server it
>> switches to 1.146.00, now in the in the qrg folder (freqs.txt) is
>> <10146000,10146000, 10146000, 10146000, 10146000> The mode is
>> 
>>  But when the server is started is shows <10146000,10146000, 10146000,
>> 10146000, 10146700> no type o, the mode is shown as > PSK250,PSK250, Thor22 .
>> After the server is started it will switch bands. So need some help.
>> I dont want it to switch band or modes. !
>>
>> Russell1- Whoever said nothing is impossible never tried slamming a
>> revolving door!
>> 2- A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong
>> enough to take everything you have.
>> - Thomas Jefferson
>>
>> " IN GOD WE TRUST "
>>
>> Russell Blair (NC5O)
>> Skype-Russell. Blair
>> Hell Field #300
>> DRCC #55
>> 30m Dig-group #693
>>
>>
>
>  
>

Re: [digitalradio] Why would anyone

[Andy obrien]

It is  pretty valid 2 cents worth.  I have mixed feelings on the issue
myself .  However, Packet BBS  and PSKMAIL servers mean that some aspect of
the operations are automatic and the control operator could be sleeping.

Andy K3UK


On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 6:25 PM, wb5aaa  wrote:

>
>
> Why do we need anything running UNATTENDED
> on any ham band?
>
> just my 2cents
>
>  
>

Re: [digitalradio] Why would anyone

[Andy obrien]

I agree with Charles,  mostly.  I have mixed feelings about the whole "wide"
versus "narrow"  issue.  While I tend to gravitate towards the narrow modes,
I have to admit to sympathizing with those on this list who express
frustration that they cannot experiment with some of the wider modes because
they exceed baud rates and bandwidth limitations in the USA.  Obviously, if
I am parked on my narrow part of the spectrum having a  nice chat, I would
be unhappy about someone with a 10 Khz wide signal zapping the entire band.
I guess I would say that keeping the max under 2.7 Khz makes some sense.

Andy K3UK

Re: [digitalradio] Re: WA6RZW Mailbox - friendly invitation

[Andy obrien]

Thanks Tony, I am using Multipsk which works well for 300 baud packet.  I'll
skip Winpack this time, I used to use it many years ago.

Andy K3UK


On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 4:06 AM, Tony  wrote:

>
>  [Attachment(s) <#1249a2edf42c3387_TopText> from Tony included below]
>
> Andy
>
> > Tony, what is the center frequency in Multipsk for packet?
>
> If you're VFO is parked on 14105.5 LSB then center the Multipsk cursor on
> 2200Hz. You might have to tweak it a bit, but that's the general location
> of
> where the packet signals are.
>
> Also remember t
>

Re: MODERATOR: [digitalradio] Re: Fast/Wide Slow/Narrow

[Andy obrien]

So noted.


Andy K3UK


Hello Moderator,

There may be only a couple of people conducting this thread at the
moment, but it's interesting stuff that is *directly relevant* to the
digitalradio group.

Please let it continue unhindered!

Thank you.

-- 
73
Ian, G3NRW

On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 9:10 AM, Ian Wade G3NRW  wrote:

>
>
> From: John Bradley >
> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 Time: 16:30:53
>
>
> >Moderator since there are only a couple of members carrying on this
> >lengthy dialogue, could I respectfully suggest they take thisprivate,
> >so as to not QRM everyone?s mailbox?
> >
>

[digitalradio] FLARQ outperforms WINMOR

[Andy obrien]

Well, not an apples to apples test..  but Ron NY3J and I played for
quite a while with FLARQ tonight on 80M and 40.  80M was was in poor
shape with QRN and weak signals but we managed a few slow MFSK16 email
transfers.  We then switched to 40M and I received Ron about S5, he
was 200 miles away.  We really had NO problems transferring email and
text files using PSK250.  I sent one big file that averaged 800 bytes
per minute .  On Winmor I have not had more than 300 bytes  per minute
although some  have reported 1000 bytes per minute.  My sound card was
a $1.50 USB sound adapter.  After an hour or so, we tried PSK500 but
were not able to get a "connect"  perhaps the band was changing.

So, while we are having fun seeing the good progress of WINMOR ...
don't forget FLARQ.  It is simple and it works well.  My next step is
to see if I can run both FLARQ and PSKMAIL at the same time.  While in
the shack until about 0600 UTC, I will have my FLARQ beacon  beaconing
every 15 minutes.  I have RS ID on , so you can switch me over if you
need to change modes. Drop me an email on 7083 (7082 dial, plus 1000
hz on waterfall)   When it is sleep time, I will close since we do not
run this "unattended".



Andy K3UK

Re: [digitalradio] New to digital modes? Try this weekend's challenge

[Andy obrien]

If people want to use those other modes ...go for it.  I did not include
THOR or ALE400 because they are not common to all three software packages.

Andy K3UK



On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 4:48 AM, Phil Williams  wrote:

>
>
> What about ALE-400?  This is a mode that I have never used.  I have finally
> installed mutlipsk which offers this mode.  I would sure like to get some
> hands on with ALE-400.
>
> Oh yeah, I second the motion on Feld Hell.  Thanks KT.
>
> philw de ka1gmn
>
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Kurt Tuttle  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>   I would recommend FeldHell also.
>>
>> KT
>> K8YZK
>>
>> --- On *Thu, 10/29/09, Phil Williams * wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Phil Williams 
>> Subject: Re: [digitalradio] New to digital modes? Try this weekend's
>> challenge
>> To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
>> Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 7:13 PM
>>
>>
>>
>>  What?  No THOR?! ;-)
>>
>> philw de ka1gmn
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 9:31 AM, obrienaj > com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>  We have had few new people join this group after the QST article on RS
>>> ID. Since many of them are NEW to digital modes other than RTTY or PSK31...
>>> I thought I would challenge the people who have not ventured away from PSK31
>>> or RTTY to try a task this weekend. Three QSOs in three different modes. To
>>> keep is focused, I suggest you choose from these 5 modes
>>>
>>> Olivia
>>> Feld Hell
>>> Domninoex
>>> MFSK16
>>> MT63
>>>
>>> If you have NO clue about these modes, great... just ask and we will get
>>> you started. Choose Multipsk, Fldigi, or DM780 as your software and we can
>>> help set up.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>  
>

Re: [digitalradio] Re: FLARQ outperforms WINMOR

[Andy obrien]

Quite true, but there is a network of ARES and RACES groups slowly beginning
to see that FLARQ is quite effective.  When WINMOR moves to peer-to-server
operations, it will be interesting to see what happens.  WINMOR also has the
Telnet and packet capabilities.

Andy K3UK


On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 6:55 AM, aa777888athotmaildotcom <
aa777...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> Definitely apples to oranges, Andy. One doesn't even need to get into a
> discussion of speed (although I've finally tweaked things so that I reliably
> get ~1Kbyte/min on a 1.6KHz mode S9 connection with 1-5K payload).
>
> The most important difference is that there is no promise of FLARQ being
> supported by a network of hundreds of radio mail server stations.
>
> k*b*l*0*0*q
>
>
> --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com , Andy
> obrien  wrote:
> >
> > Well, not an apples to apples test.. but Ron NY3J and I played for
> > quite a while with FLARQ tonight on 80M and 40. 80M was was in poor
> > shape with QRN and weak signals but we managed a few slow MFSK16 email
> > transfers. We then switched to 40M and I received Ron about S5, he
> > was 200 miles away. We really had NO problems transferring email and
> > text files using PSK250. I sent one big file that averaged 800 bytes
> > per minute . On Winmor I have not had more than 300 bytes per minute
> > although some have reported 1000 bytes per minute. My sound card was
> > a $1.50 USB sound adapter. After an hour or so, we tried PSK500 but
> > were not able to get a "connect" perhaps the band was changing.
> >
> > So, while we are having fun seeing the good progress of WINMOR ...
> > don't forget FLARQ. It is simple and it works well. My next step is
> > to see if I can run both FLARQ and PSKMAIL at the same time. While in
> > the shack until about 0600 UTC, I will have my FLARQ beacon beaconing
> > every 15 minutes. I have RS ID on , so you can switch me over if you
> > need to change modes. Drop me an email on 7083 (7082 dial, plus 1000
> > hz on waterfall) When it is sleep time, I will close since we do not
> > run this "unattended".
> >
> >
> >
> > Andy K3UK
> >
>
>  
>

[digitalradio] FLARQMOR

[Andy obrien]

I have configured my digital mode interface and PC to use two
differing PTT ports and can run both FLARQ and WINMOR at the same time

see http://www.obriensweb.com/winmorflarq.jpg

Not literally transmit at the same time (that might blow up my radio)
but I can dual receive and I  am thus available for connects via
WINMOR or FLARQ mail on the same frequency with just one radio.  My
FLARC station has RS ID for receive activated, so various modes are
available.  I am parked on 14112 USB (dial) with waterfall position of
 1000 Hz.  So if you want a keyboard QSO or to send me an email via
Winmor or FLARQ, I'll be in the shack. most of the day Nov 1.
Andy K3UK

[digitalradio] Waking a FLARQ with RS ID

[Andy obrien]

Suppose you think a desired station is on a frequency with his/her
FLARQ station active .  You think that perhaps the  station is set to
PSK250 and you know that conditions are way too poor for a PSK250
exchange .  If that station has RS ID on receive activated (and we all
know we should  always do this, right? ) you can switch the desired
station over to a more suitable mode.  If you send an RS ID, that
should change the other station too  (it actually depends on their
settings, but it is possible. ) .  You don't get any confirmation that
the other station successfully changed modes though.  It is possible
that if conditions are poor the RS ID will not be detected.  I usually
send the RS ID three times just as a precaution.  Then , using FLARQ,
enter the desired call sign in the little callsign box and press
"connect".  FLARQ will use the mode you established and try an ARQ
conenct with your desired station.  If connected, you can send the
email or file and even have a keyboard chat via the "plain talk"
feature.

Re: [digitalradio] New to digital modes? Try this weekend's challenge

[Andy obrien]

Well done.

Andy K3Uk

On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Phil Williams  wrote:

>
>
> CO2DC 7.035 @ 1216Z on the following modes.
>
> thor4, olivia 4/125, olivia 16/500, and mt63-500 w/ short interleave.
>
>
> philw de ka1gmn kn
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009at 4:55 AM, Andy obrien  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> If people want to use those other modes ...go for it.  I did not include
>> THOR or ALE400 because they are not common to all three software packages.
>>
>> Andy K3UK
>>
>

Re: [digitalradio] Re:WINMOR more

[Andy obrien]

That is pretty impressive new data Rick, I look forward to the release of
your new version.

Andy K3UK


> 2009/11/01 21:25:36 0.3.1.2 *** Connected to: VE1YZ @ 1600 Hz at 2009/11/01
> 21:25:36
>
> 2009/11/01 21:25:36 0.3.1.2[RMS Express-0.3.1.2-B2F]
>
> 2009/11/01 21:25:36 0.3.1.2; VE1YZ DE KN6KB (EL98PF) >
>
> 2009/11/01 21:25:52 0.3.1.2 [RMS Express-0.3.1.2-B2F]
>
> 2009/11/01 21:25:52 0.3.1.2 ; KN6KB DE VE1YZ (FN84BQ)
>
> 2009/11/01 21:26:09 0.3.1.2 FC EM 49F3NSDBH1FA 42046 7172 0
>
> 2009/11/01 21:26:09 0.3.1.2 F> 2A
>
> 2009/11/01 21:26:09 0.3.1.2FS Y
>
> 2009/11/01 21:27:44 0.3.1.2 *** 49F3NSDBH1FA - 42044/7172 bytes received
>
> 2009/11/01 21:27:44 0.3.1.2FF
>
> 2009/11/01 21:27:57 0.3.1.2 FQ
>
> 2009/11/01 21:27:58 0.3.1.2 *** Disconnected at 2009/11/01 21:27:58
>
> 2009/11/01 21:27:58 0.3.1.2 [Session Stats:]   Duration: 2.37 min
>
>Bandwidth: 1600   ISS Mode Shifts:   0
>
>Decode Attempts:   130
>
>Weak R-S Decodes :  98Weak R-S Sums:  0
>
>Strong R-S Decodes: 14Strong R-S Sums:0
>
>Bytes Sent :   62 Bytes Received:7345
>
>Throughput(bytes/min)  Session Avg: 3119   Max 1 min Avg: 6082
>
>Estimated Sample Rate Offset (ppm): 91
>
>
>
> This release should be out this week.
>

Re: [digitalradio] USA Novice-Tech operations on 10M?

[Andy obrien]

James, everyone used to play there because of the old rules.  It would
seem logical to use the same portion of the band as one uses on other
bands , .070 for basic PSK operations.  PSKMAIL and other digital
stuff may be a little further up so as to avoid CW operations.

Andy K3UK


On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 3:59 PM, James French  wrote:
> Going by the ARRL list of privleges, Novice and Technicians can do data from
> 28.000MHz to 28.300MHz. Cw and Phone from 28.300 to 28.500MHz. 200
> watts maximum on either portion.
>
> I have been 'told' that PSK modes are around the 28.120 to 28.160MHz range.
>
> Am I correct on this? Is this where everyone plays roughly, give or take a 
> KHz?
>
> James W8ISS
> =
> On Wednesday 04 November 2009 14:27:17 DANNY DOUGLAS wrote:
>> According to every chart I see, Novices and Techs can operate 28.000 thru 
>> 28.300 digital and 28.3-28.5 SSB phone.  My question is why would you want 
>> to get down in the lower portion of the data assignment, where most CW 
>> opration is taking place?  Your present 28.1 is out of that area, and would 
>> see4m to be to be causing much less interference to those CW stations.
>>
>> Danny Douglas
>> N7DC
>> ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USASV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB
>> All 2 years or more (except Novice)short stints at:  DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU
>> CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F
>> Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred,
>> I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do.
>> Moderator
>> DXandTALK
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk
>> Digital_modes
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159
>>
>
>
> 
>
> Suggested frequencies for calling CQ with experimental digital modes =
> 3584,10147, 14074 USB on your dial plus 1000Hz on waterfall.
>
> Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Pages at
> http://www.obriensweb.com/sked
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Re: [digitalradio] Power SDR IF Stage ?

[Andy obrien]

Very helpful Sigi, thanks .

Andy.


On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Siegfried Jackstien <
siegfried.jackst...@freenet.de> wrote:

>
>
>  Dear andy
>
> As i know the ts 2000 has an if of 12khz so direct wire this to your
> soundcard and you can use all sdr soft like winrad, power sdr, etc etc
>
> You can also listen to the drm transmissions on shortwave …..
>
> http://www.arcticpeak.com/radiopages/kenwood_ts-2000_12_khz_if_output.htm
>
> the link to if modification
>
> a friend from me made a small video how to connect power sdr via hamradio
> deluxe with the ts2000
>
> so you can control the ts2000 via power sdr
>
> http://www.ham-on-air.de/?p=4152
>
> hope this helps you a bit
>
> greetz
>
> dg9bfc
>
> sigi
>
>
>
>
>  --
>
> *Von:* digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]
> *Im Auftrag von *Andy obrien
> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 5. November 2009 05:42
> *An:* digitalradio
> *Betreff:* [digitalradio] Power SDR IF Stage ?
>
>
>
>
>
> Anyone running a Softrock, or similar device, with Power SDR IF Stage
> ? I just bought one of the two components I need to do this with a
> TS2000. I am wondering what digital mode enthusiasts are finding when
> they operate this way. Is the receiver as sensitive as it usually is
> ?
>
> Andy K3UK
>   
>

Re: [digitalradio] Unattended Re: USA Novice-Tech operations on 10M?

[Andy obrien]

Thanks Bonnie, what about the concept of "listen first" and making sure the
frequency is not occupied?   Is there any USA exclusion from this
requirement?  If I us a timer on my rig to send my call sign over the air
and simply say "K3UK"  once an hour, are there any segments I can  do this
without having to listen first ?  Can a packet station like Propnet transmit
without a listen first concept?  Perhaps not under 30 Mhz ?



Andy K3UK


On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 1:35 PM, expeditionradio
wrote:

>
>
>
>
> > Phil Williams  wrote:
> > Who can talk about what they have seen when
> > it comes to best practices when
> > operating an unatteneded on the HF bands?
>
> Hi Phil,
>
> "Unattended" operation of ham stations isn't
> appropriate to describe HF operating methods
> in USA, as far as I am aware of it.
>
> However, "unattended" is a description used
> within the IARU bandplans for certain segments
> of bands. The term is not very well-defined, but
> the IARU Region 1 bandplan committee started using
> it some years ago, and it has somehow been carried
> over to other bandplans, without much explanation.
>
> A licensed operator in USA must always be in control
> of the station, "attending to it" to be sure it
> complies with the rules. There are many means that
> can be used by the licensed operator to control the
> station and keep it in compliance with FCC rules,
> including: manual, remote, and several automatic
> types of control of operation. There is a long
> history of automatic control for various types of
> stations, including repeaters, telemetry, data, and
> beacons. The first automatic data stations on HF
> were probably RTTY "autostart" stations... then later
> on the APRS and Packet systems. Today, we have many
> many different types of automatically controlled
> HF stations on the air. There is something happening
> with an HF automatically controlled data station,
> every few minutes, every day on every HF band. The
> automatically controlled data networks form the most
> dependable emergency HF systems that ham radio has
> developed so far.
>
> 73 Bonnie VR2/KQ6XA
>
>  
>

[digitalradio] Try “Weak Signal” Digital FM

[Andy obrien]

A mention elsewhere of Skip's article in QST made me go back and look at it.

Try “Weak Signal” Digital FM
Here’s an application for your newly built interface that you and your friends
can try right away. All you need are ordinary 2-meter FM voice transceivers.
Tell everyone to go to www.w1hkj.com/Fldigi.html and download and
install Fldigi. This free multimode software package is available for both
Windows, MacOs and Linux operating systems. Once everyone has their
software running successfully, set up some times to meet on the air. One
suggested frequency is 145.00 MHz, simplex. (When selecting a frequency,
always follow the band plans that are in effect in your area and
listen carefully
before transmitting.)
When you’re ready, fire up Fldigi, choose either the DominoEX8 or
DominoEX4 modes and start enjoying keyboard-to-keyboard text conversations.
What you’re likely to discover is that you can span a remarkable range
with this setup, much farther than FM voice alone.
If you really want to push the envelope, use 50 W FM transceivers (or add
“brick” amplifiers to the radios you are using now) and horizontally polarized
Yagi antennas (short 3 or 4 element Yagis will do). Depending on the terrain in
your area, you may find that you can have DominoEX chats over astonishing
distances! — Skip Teller, KH6TY

I wonder if anyone has followed Skip's suggestion and tried operating
digital modes on 145.00 ?  It might be an intersting think to try,
perhaps even a simplex night periodcally where we all try a CQ and see
if anyone hears us.

Andy K3UK




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[digitalradio] HF automated sub-bands ?

[Andy obrien]

I have seen mention of " automated sub-bands" for USA amateurs
recently but cannot find a definitive source as to what those
sub-bands are.  Anyone ?

Andy.

[digitalradio] November 15th is 2M FM Digital Simplex Night

[Andy obrien]

Many years ago , when I was an NTS NCS, we would abandon use of
repeaters once per month and run a simplex night.  Operators would use
net time to call up a net from their QTH and work whomever answers.  I
am proposing we do the same , each 15th of the month at 8PM local
time.  Suggested frequency is 145.00 FM.   Suggested procedure=
Listen first... if there is someone calling "CQ Digital Simplex Night"
, answer them.  If you hear no one, call " CQ Digital Simplex Night" a
few times .  If someone answers, simply have a chat.  You decide the
content of your "net", send a file or canned message if you are so
inclined, no requirements  You also decide which digital mode to use.
Log the call signs and QTH of each station you hear.  This will enable
you to develop your own database of stations that are in simplex range
of your QTH.If you live close enough to an area that is in a
different time zone and 8PM comes around more than once, feel free to
check-in a second time.

Upload your heard list to this email group.

Andy K3UK

Re: [digitalradio] need to get up to speed

[Andy obrien]

Gosh John.  I put an ABP out on you a few weeks ago, wondering if you were
alive or not.  Glad you are well. Lynn and I held down the fort while you
were out.

OK, the quick update for you is...

WINMOR is released as a beta.  Plenty of people checking this alternative to
PACTOR for email handling.  Still peer-to-peer at this point.

FLDIGI is updated and a few things added.  Increasingly popular application
for many digital modes,  Some hams using FLARQ a bit more.  PSK500 now
available in alpha version of fldigi.

Multipsk's latest test release has a new "text ID" feature that works with
RS  ID.  Also quite a bit of ALE 400 activity and some increase in PSK10.

QST ran a brief article that I wrote about RS ID in DM780, Pocketdigi,
Multipsk and Fldigi.  Some increase in use of RS ID.

PSKMAIL server is now available as a puppy ISO.

Olivia as a keyboard QSO mode seems slightly increased , MFSK16 slowly
disappearing.  PSK31 as popular as ever.  When band is good PSK250 works
well.

More hams using 2M FM for digital modes.

MARS stations in the USA using MT63 more often.

RFSM-8000  still not legal in USA and not used much elsewhere

JT65 HF beta testing more widely available via W6CQZ's yahoo group.

That enough for now?

Andy K3UK










On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 12:37 PM, "John Becker, WØJAB"
wrote:

>
>
> Can some one bring me up to speed on what is going on
> in the digital world now days?
>
> for those that don't know, I crashed the Harley on the way home from
> Washington D.C. after making the trip with "run for the wall". 8 weeks
> in the hospital and rehab. in fact still doing rehab now but, going to
> make it to a full speed one of these days.
>
> For those that called asking, Thanks.
>
> John, W0JAB
> Louisiana, Missouri
>
> Damage to the Harley was $13,799.46
>
>  
>

Re: [digitalradio] November 15th is 2M FM Digital Simplex Night

[Andy obrien]

I thought the same thing.  However, in my area there is no packet on that
frequency.

Andy

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 7:38 PM, James French  wrote:

>
>
> On Sunday 08 November 2009 09:58:42 Andy obrien wrote:
> > Many years ago , when I was an NTS NCS, we would abandon use of
> > repeaters once per month and run a simplex night. Operators would use
> > net time to call up a net from their QTH and work whomever answers. I
> > am proposing we do the same , each 15th of the month at 8PM local
> > time. Suggested frequency is 145.00 FM. Suggested procedure=
> > Listen first... if there is someone calling "CQ Digital Simplex Night"
>
>
> Wondering why everyone is thinking 145.000MHz is a good frequency to use?
> I an not trying to complain here, but 145.000MHz falls within the 144.900
> to
> 145.100MHz allocated Packet frequencies in most areas. Has anyone gone to
> there LOCAL Packet coordinators or (i hate to say it) Repeater councils to
> seek
> guidence about this? Michigan repeater council usually and has in the past
> worked with users to find a good place to do something without interfering.
> Can't say about other states though.
>
> In Michigan, 144.900 to 145.100 is set aside for Packet usage along with
> 144.390
> for APRS. I listed other frequencies in some previous posts over the past
> week that
> are considered 'gaurded' per the Repeater council here.
>
> There are PLENTY of 2m simplex frequencies to choose from for doing this
> and there
> was an email this weekend from W8RIT here in Michigan that has been using
> 145.520
> to 'play' with digital modes. I think that is a good idea to do as he is
> close enough to
> the Repeater band edges to generate interest if someone scans but still
> doesn't cause
> interferance to established users either. There is even was a Simplex net
> going on
> up in the thumb area for years that did everything from SSTV to the newest
> digital
> mode. Haven't heard from them in a few years though so I don't know the
> status.
>
> Has anyone played with say PSKMail or run something on USB around 144.265
> to
> 144.280MHz? There are probably plenty of people out there that might be
> interested
> in trying out a different mode other than FM on the latest combo radio out
> there that
> offer from DC to 70cm coverage and usage. I am not suggesting operatings
> below
> 144.265 as most Microwave coordination is done at 144.260 and the USB nets
> that
> I know of in the Great Lakes states are on around that frequency also.
>
> As I stated at the beginning, I am not trying to complain, but there is
> 'other' 2m
> simplex frequencies that could be used other than the Packet frequencies
> unless
> there is NO Packet activity in your area to justify a concern. I am trying
> to get some
> input about this.
>
> James W8ISS
>  
>   
> Re
>

[digitalradio] SSTV MP74-N spotting page

[Andy obrien]

That would be nice!

Andy K3UK

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 8:53 PM, w8lew  wrote:

>
>
> Good day, All.
>
> Don't forget: monitor SSTV frequencies and post the pictures on a web site.
> (Just like the other spotting groups mentioned) If there were a page
> available for 30m MP73-N SSTV 10.132 MHz, we could support more narrow band
> SSTV on this frequency. Perhaps I'll do this! :)
>
> - Lou, W8LEW
>
>

Re: [digitalradio] SSTV MP74-N spotting page

[Andy obrien]

MMSSTV , see my guide at http://www.obriensweb.com/narrowsstv.htm

Andy K3UK



On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 11:07 PM, Phil Williams  wrote:

>
>
> What app do you use for SSTV MP73N??
>
> philw de ka1gmn
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 9:03 PM, Andy obrien  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> That would be nice!
>>
>> Andy K3UK
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 8:53 PM, w8lew  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Good day, All.
>>>
>>> Don't forget: monitor SSTV frequencies and post the pictures on a web
>>> site. (Just like the other spotting groups mentioned) If there were a page
>>> available for 30m MP73-N SSTV 10.132 MHz, we could support more narrow band
>>> SSTV on this frequency. Perhaps I'll do this! :)
>>>
>>> - Lou, W8LEW
>>>
>>>
>>
>  
>

Re: [digitalradio] RSID in DM780

[Andy obrien]

In DM780 there is a little RSID marker in the lower right-hand side of the
screen.  Click on that and a window will open up.  In that Window, you will
see the text that I have pasted below.  Se items 1 and 2.


Let  us know if you need more help.

Andy K3UK




Reed-Solomon IDs
This idea was originally developed by Patrick Lindecker, F6CTE.

The Reed-Solomon ID (RSID) is a short 16-tone MFSK transmission which
identifies the mode in use. The RSID transmission is about 180Hz wide and
lasts for just less than two seconds.

You should enable RSID when using an 'exotic' mode such as Olivia so that
users of programs with RSID support know what mode you are using.

For a full list of modes supported by this program look in the Program
Options for Modes + IDs.

There are two ways to enable RSID:

1In Program Options select Modes + Ids and check the option to show the
RSID button in the transmit toolbar,
2Add the tag  anywhere in the text being sent.





On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Harry Gilling  wrote:

>
>
> Where to I find info on how to implement RSID with DM780 as described on
> page 98 of November QST.
> Thanks Harry W9IB
>
>  
>

Re: [digitalradio] 14.105 lsb

[Andy obrien]

Good news Julien.  Do you have a Pbbs active ?  I will give it a try this
weekend.

Andy K3UK


On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:50 PM, Dedier Dedier <9z...@mail.tt> wrote:

>
>
> HiI am now operating HF Packet on 20m 14.105 lsb 24/7  from 9Z land fk90ip
> Island of Trinidad and Tobago
>
> --
> 73
>
> Julien
>
> 9Z4FZ / Trinidad & Tobago
> M0JDD / United Kingdom
> M0JDD / J3 Grenada
>
> Amateur Radio Station
> http://www.ttarl.org
>
>  
>

[digitalradio] 30M wide open to Europe

[Andy obrien]

I usually tune 30M late in my afternoon to catch Europeans.  However
this morning at dawn I decided to check 30M PSK and find the band full
of Europeans.

Andy K3UK

[digitalradio] Re: November 15th is 2M FM Digital Simplex Night

[Andy obrien]

Reminder..



On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Andy obrien  wrote:
> Many years ago , when I was an NTS NCS, we would abandon use of
> repeaters once per month and run a simplex night.  Operators would use
> net time to call up a net from their QTH and work whomever answers.  I
> am proposing we do the same , each 15th of the month at 8PM local
> time.  Suggested frequency is 145.00 FM.   Suggested procedure=
> Listen first... if there is someone calling "CQ Digital Simplex Night"
> , answer them.  If you hear no one, call " CQ Digital Simplex Night" a
> few times .  If someone answers, simply have a chat.  You decide the
> content of your "net", send a file or canned message if you are so
> inclined, no requirements  You also decide which digital mode to use.
> Log the call signs and QTH of each station you hear.  This will enable
> you to develop your own database of stations that are in simplex range
> of your QTH.    If you live close enough to an area that is in a
> different time zone and 8PM comes around more than once, feel free to
> check-in a second time.
>
> Upload your heard list to this email group.
>
> Andy K3UK
>

[digitalradio] Digital on 2M FM: Audio settings ?

[Andy obrien]

Hmmm.  Well I thought it would be simple enough to transmit digital
modes on 2M FM but one issue I just ran in to is the ALC is very high
and my usual method of lowering  it has no effect.  I also lowered the
mic gain but that had no impact.  Something simple I am not taking in
to account when using FM ?

Andy  K3UK

Re: [digitalradio] Digital on 2M FM: Audio settings ?

[Andy obrien]

That's what I am guessing...not much of an FM operator

On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 8:12 PM, Phil Williams  wrote:

>
>
> Doesn't the ALC behave differenty when runnning FM?
>
> philw de ka1gmn
>
> On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 6:55 PM, Andy obrien  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Hmmm. Well I thought it would be simple enough to transmit digital
>> modes on 2M FM but one issue I just ran in to is the ALC is very high
>> and my usual method of lowering it has no effect. I also lowered the
>> mic gain but that had no impact. Something simple I am not taking in
>> to account when using FM ?
>>
>> Andy K3UK
>>
>
>  
>

Re: [digitalradio] Digital on 2M FM: Audio settings ?

[Andy obrien]

Thanks for the feedback guys.  I will play around with the settings...once I
find a person to contact on 2M.

Andy K3UK



On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Tony  wrote:

>
>
> Andy,
>
> I believe you have a Kenwood TS2K(?). If so, there is a way to control the
> digital mode audio level on FM. If you're feeding the audio through the
> microphone connector, menu 41 has a low, medium and high setting. If your
> using the 13 pin DIN plug, the audio input can be adjusted via menu # 50.
>
> Tony -K2MO
>
>  
>

[digitalradio] Fwd: [wsjtgroup] WSPR 2.0

[Andy obrien]

-- Forwarded message --
From: Joe Taylor 
Date: Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 9:55 AM
Subject: [wsjtgroup] WSPR 2.0
To: wsjtgr...@yahoogroups.com




WSPR 2.0 is now available for download from the WSJT Home
Page, http://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/ . Click on
WSPR in the left margin, then on the appropriate WSPR 2.0
link for your operating system. Installable binary packages
are provided for Windows and for recent Debian-based 32-bit
Linux systems. A recommended Linux distribution is Ubuntu 9.04.

Version 2.0 of WSPR introduces a number of new program
features, including the following:

- User-friendly setup screen with drop-down selection
of audio devices and CAT parameters
- Support for compound callsigns
- Fine adjustment of fractional time for transmitting
- Optional CW identification
- Tools for frequency calibration and automated
frequency corrections for your radio
- A Tune button
- Direct on-line access to the WSPR 2.0 User's guide,
WSPRnet, and the WSJT Home Page

Full details are presented in the all-new User's Guide,
which is a "must read" if you want to use the new features.
The manual includes a Troubleshooting guide. Click
http://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/WSPR_2.0_User.pdf
to read the manual.

WSPR also runs on most other Linux distributions, on
FreeBSD, and on Mac OS X -- but at present, on these
platforms you must compile it from source code. Some basic
instructions are included on the WSJT Program Development
web page, http://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/devel.html .

Many people have contributed to the success and popularity
of WSPR, and to WSPR 2.0 in particular. Members of the WSJT
Development Group, especially G4KLA, OH2GQC, VA3DB, W1BW,
W6CQZ, and JCDutton have written code, particularly code
addressing platform portability issues. G3ZOD, LZ1BB,
OZ1PIF, and VK3SB have spend many hours helping to debug
beta releases and prepare distribution packages. G3ZOD
drafted most of Appendix D of the new User's Guide. Many
thanks to all!

-- 73, Joe, K1JT

 

Re: [digitalradio] HELLO FROM NEW MEMBER // AC5JV

[Andy obrien]

Glad to have you with us George.  Feel free to ask any questions you might
have.

Andy K3UK




>
>>
>> HELLO my name is george , i'm 58 yrs old , disabled retired . been hamming
>> since 1993 . i had my extra class ticket for 13 yrs . i have always been
>> interested in the digi stuff but here late have really gotten in to it , so
>> i joined this page to read and learn more about it.i operate a ts-50 kenwood
>> mobile in the house on a power supply , use an mfj949e versa tuner II into a
>> 160m 1/4 wave end-fed inverted 'v' configuration . i hombrewed my inteface
>> and use a dell computer to run programs . i have downloaded just about ever
>> free digi program i can find and have them up and running . trying to decide
>> the ones i like best ,i will mainly read what all have posted to learn more
>> . wish to thank the group for letting me join. 73's ac5jv george
>>
>>

Re: [digitalradio] New Version of WSPR Available

[Andy obrien]

I must be missing something basic with the user set up.  I have had previous
versions working OK but this version does not receive despite the correct
sound card device being selected.  I see "waiting to start" all the time.
IS there a start button that I am missing ?

Andy K3UK


On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Dave Ackrill wrote:

>
>
> Joe (K1JT) has just announced the release of a new version of WSPR as
> follows.
>
> "WSPR 2.0 is now available for download from the WSJT Home
> Page, http://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/ . Click on
> WSPR in the left margin, then on the appropriate WSPR 2.0
> link for your operating system. Installable binary packages
> are provided for Windows and for recent Debian-based 32-bit
> Linux systems. A recommended Linux distribution is Ubuntu 9.04.
>
> Version 2.0 of WSPR introduces a number of new program
> features, including the following:
>
> - User-friendly setup screen with drop-down selection
> of audio devices and CAT parameters
> - Support for compound callsigns
> - Fine adjustment of fractional time for transmitting
> - Optional CW identification
> - Tools for frequency calibration and automated
> frequency corrections for your radio
> - A Tune button
> - Direct on-line access to the WSPR 2.0 User's guide,
> WSPRnet, and the WSJT Home Page
>
> Full details are presented in the all-new User's Guide,
> which is a "must read" if you want to use the new features.
> The manual includes a Troubleshooting guide. Click
> http://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/WSPR_2.0_User.pdf
> to read the manual.
>
> WSPR also runs on most other Linux distributions, on
> FreeBSD, and on Mac OS X -- but at present, on these
> platforms you must compile it from source code. Some basic
> instructions are included on the WSJT Program Development
> web page, http://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/devel.html .
>
> Many people have contributed to the success and popularity
> of WSPR, and to WSPR 2.0 in particular. Members of the WSJT
> Development Group, especially G4KLA, OH2GQC, VA3DB, W1BW,
> W6CQZ, and JCDutton have written code, particularly code
> addressing platform portability issues. G3ZOD, LZ1BB,
> OZ1PIF, and VK3SB have spend many hours helping to debug
> beta releases and prepare distribution packages. G3ZOD
> drafted most of Appendix D of the new User's Guide. Many
> thanks to all!
>
> -- 73, Joe, K1JT"
>
> Dave (G0DJA)
>
>  
>

Re: [digitalradio] New Version of WSPR Available

[Andy obrien]

I think I figured the fancy-dancy slider out.

Andy K3UK


On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Andy obrien  wrote:

> I must be missing something basic with the user set up.  I have had
> previous versions working OK but this version does not receive despite the
> correct sound card device being selected.  I see "waiting to start" all the
> time.  IS there a start button that I am missing ?
>
> Andy K3UK

Re: [digitalradio] using fldigi/PTT

[Andy obrien]

I have found fldigi to be quite confusing to set up for CAT, the software is
great but the rig control options and PTT possibilities confused me.  Once I
began to think about it more, it made more sense. Of course, all of this
would have been less confusing if I had read the guide for beginners that is
included in fldigi but heck, I never read such things!

In Fldigi  a user has several options. These options include deciding
whether your rig needs a separate circuit to place your rig in transmit, or
whether you want the rig-in-transmit (PTT) function to be handled by CAT
control,  and thus a need for only one comm port to be used.  Additionally,
if you set a PTT option, you need to determine if it requires RTS , DTR,
etc.  Some rigs can do PTT via CAT control and some cannot, so this needs to
be determined as part of setting up fldigi and other digital mode
applications.

The Kenwood 570 (and most other Kenwoods ) CAN do PTT via CAT control.  So
you can set Fldigi to control your rig and PTT via use of one comm port and
the correct use of other comm port parameters.  However , one option that
Fldigi gives is the option to use HAMLIB's setting for rig control.  This
uses pre-programmed XML instructions to communicate with your rig.  To
establish preprogrammed XML for every rig that is on the market takes a lot
of time.  Not all rigs are fully coded for Hamlib , you will see in fldigi
that some are "stable" (coded, tested, and reported to work well) and some
are at "beta" or alpha level.  I have found the TS2000 hamlib file to not be
very reliable, in Fldigi it is marked as "beta".

As recommended to this group on several occasions by Skip Teller, use of the
other rig control methods in fldigi often results in better operations .
Rig CAT , with a file for your radio , is usually suggested.  For my Kenwood
TS440 and Kenwood TS2000 I use RIG CAT or Hamlib with ANOTHER option,
Hardware PTT.  That requires use of a separate comm port for PTT but I find
it more reliable than some of the beta/alpha rig control XML files that
exists for my radios.

That's the long reply to Danny.  A simpler reply would be that for most
Kenwoods using Fldigi  do the following...

Go to CONFIG/RIG CONTROL
CLICK on HAMLIB
Check "use hamlib"
Select a comm port
>From the drop-down list of rigs, choose Kenwood 570D (stable)
Choose a baud rate that matches the baud rate you have set in your rig (I
use 9600) many Kenwoods have 4800 as the default.
Do NOT check PTT via HAMlib.

Save/close.

Now in Config go to Hardware PTT
Select a second comm port, one that is different from the one you are set
under hamlib
Click on the tiny diamond next to :use separate serial port PTT"
Check use RTS
Initialize
Save/close


Andy K3UK





On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 11:26 PM, Stelios Bounanos wrote:

>
>

Re: [digitalradio] Fldigi and Icom 746Pro

[Andy obrien]

I have successfully configured an Icom 746Pro with Fldigi.  If the program
will not boot up properly, i.e. crashes after a few seconds, you can
probably solve that problem by deleting your configuration file and starting
all over again.  This means you will have to set rig control and PTT options
from scratch, but it will likely solve the crash issues.  Delete the file
called fldigi_def.xml.  To find this file, with Fldigi open... FILE then
SHOW CONFIG


Andy K3UK
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 7:03 PM, mac2251  wrote:

>
>
>
>
> Has anyone else had trouble with fldigi and the 746pro ? I have tried every
> combo, but still wont work. I am using the latest version. I did have it
> working, but when I closed the program and came back it quit and can't get
> it back. Just curious if fldigi wont work with the 746pro as it is listed as
> untested on the rig list.
>
>  
>

Re: [digitalradio] Which radio ?

[Andy obrien]

I have not used the rigs u mentioned and am not sure what their cost is..
but I would also mention the TS2000 and Kenwood  TS480 as radios you might
want to look at .  The Icom 7000 may also be worth a look too.

Welcome back to the hobby!

Where is High Peak ?  You're not on top of Ben Nevis, I hope.

Andy K3UK


On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 6:02 AM, Ted Wager  wrote:

>
>
> I am returning to amateur radio after 15 years qrt and looking for a new
> radio
> Main interests are listening hf and digi modes, principally psk..My
> choice is down to either the yaesu ft450 or the Yaesu ft-857d.Any
> comments on my choice welcome and should I look at any other radios ?
>
> --
> Regards
> Ted Wager
> High Peak UK
> Using linxmint Helena
>
>  
>

Re: [digitalradio] New Version of WSPR Available

[Andy obrien]

Am I missing something else ?  I have WSPR 2.0 working for transmit and
receive but if I choose the CAT option in the setup, nothing appears to
happen.  It doe not appear to read my frequency despite setting it up the
normal way one sets up for a TS2000.  Is it supposed to read the frequency?
When I "update the radio" my PC internal speaker squawks at ,me.

Andy K3UK


On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 3:45 AM, Dave Ackrill wrote:

>
>
> Peter Frenning [OZ1PIF] wrote:
>
> > Andy did figure it out eventually, at least he's reporting spots:
> > 2009-11-20 08:32 N4ABN 10.140166 +9 0 DM59pd 1 K3UK
> > FN02hk 2484 72
>
>

Re: [digitalradio] New Version of WSPR Available

[Andy obrien]

OK, it works with a TS570 setting but not with a TS2000 setting for
some reason.  I see if does not read the frequency but updates the
frequency back to the originally setting.  What are the advantages of
this ?

On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Andy obrien  wrote:
> Am I missing something else ?  I have WSPR 2.0 working for transmit and
> receive but if I choose the CAT option in the setup, nothing appears to
> happen.  It doe not appear to read my frequency despite setting it up the
> normal way one sets up for a TS2000.  Is it supposed to read the frequency?
> When I "update the radio" my PC internal speaker squawks at ,me.
>
> Andy K3UK
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 3:45 AM, Dave Ackrill 
> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Peter Frenning [OZ1PIF] wrote:
>>
>> > Andy did figure it out eventually, at least he's reporting spots:
>> > 2009-11-20 08:32 N4ABN 10.140166 +9 0 DM59pd 1 K3UK
>> > FN02hk 2484 72
>>
>
>

[digitalradio] Japan on 30M day-time eastern USA

[Andy obrien]

Received by K3UK

1522 -24  0.9  10.140206  0 JQ2WDO PM95 37



Received by JQ2WDO

 2009-11-21 15:26K3UK10.140198   -25 0   FN02hk 
 5   JQ2WDO 
PM95gi   10546   330


Cool

Andy K3UK

[digitalradio] Getting serious about ALE for non-encomm digital hamming

[Andy obrien]

As I read and view all kinds of web sites (including my own) that
assist digital mode enthusiasts in "spotting" other stations that my
be active on a particular band and looking for a QSO, I can't help but
return to the subject of ALE, Automatic Link Establishment.  While
standard ALE's  default digital calling mode is not super robust , ALE
software generally does a good job of detecting a call and pausing a
scan.  While standard ALE's default digital mode is not always
effective for keyboard QSOs (compared to other modes) it can be very
effective for achieving a goal of ALE that many seem to have
forgotten... namely establishing a link and then switching to a mode
better suited for the current conditions.

Picture this..

1. instead of  going to a website or cluster-type web page to see if
anyone is looking for a QSO , you call on a designated frequency
(after listening first!) using ALE and carefully timed/synchronized
features of ALE software ensure that hundreds of other scanning
stations ,within range,  can hear your call (CQ) .  The other
station's ALE software pauses a multi-band scan the moment it hears
your call and (if you are in the shack) your station automatically
answer the call .  The responding stations tell you that they have
good copy and the two of you then switch to PSK31 for an armchair copy
QSO.

2. Instead of wondering if your friend P5DX is active tonight and
going to a spotting network to find out, you place a call to that
station and the ALE software tries several bands automatically for
you, using the best band for current conditions based on past
reception of that friend's callsign.  After a few tries, your friend
is found on 30Ms.  You use standard ALE to keyboard for a while and
then QSY down the band and use CW.

3. Or perhaps you have a GROUP of friends at varying locations , you
just wonder if any of the group are active tonight.  Using ALE
software your station calls each of your friends from a pre-programmed
list.  The call is based on pre-establish priorities and call-order.
Two of your group of six friends turn out to be "QRV" and your ALE
software find them and links you together.  Once linked you switch to
Olivia 500 and have  round table keyboard "QSO"

All of the above is easily achieved using standard ALE (or ALE400) and
PC-ALE or Multipsk software.  It is NOT easily achieved today because
ALE is still used only by a small group of hams. My estimate is  less
than 50 hams world wide and many of them are not "live in the shack".
For steps 1-3 above to be achieved and fully realized,  we really need
more hams to use ALE as a live , attended, mode and many more to use
the ALE scanning methods to find QSOs.   Simple beginning steps like
using ALE software and scanning the bands for 30 minutes while
checking your email ,or updating your  logbook , can could increase
ALE and enable digital hams to get more use out of it.  Calling up a
"net" of hams friends or calling CQ via ALE every now and then would
also create more interest.

One positive step would be the creation of groups of hams from this
mail list that could form regional nets, just to find each other and
have QSOs when the mood strikes.

So, is this just stupid rambling thoughts ?  Cnn ALE be resurrected
and re-packaged in a manner that it can flourish beyond an emcomm
option ?

Andy K3UK

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Getting serious about ALE for non-encomm digital hamming

[Andy obrien]

On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 10:18 PM, aa777888athotmaildotcom
 wrote:
>
>
>
> I've gave PCALE a very good try. As implemented it suffers from several 
> problems:
>
> 1. It is equipment specific and intensive. You either need an SGC tuner set 
> up for bypass-on-receive (the only brand I am aware of that has this 
> capability) or a special antenna that is resonant and >efficient on each band 
> you plan to scan. You can also set up RF switching to bypass the tuner on 
> receive but that becomes even more complex. There was a computer controlled 
> tuner on the market >that could be controlled by MARS-ALE but MARS-ALE is not 
> available to mere mortals and the tuner itself was buggy and is now out of 
> production.


This is not really correct with PC-ALE and a modern receiver that has
a internal antenna tuner.  I have used PC-ALE with a TS2000 and an
Icom 746 Pro and the tuner in both rigs memorizes settings for each
frequency fast enough so that a match is achieved before an ALE
transmission.  So, with my basic home brewed antennas (a 60M loop and
a 20M ground plan vertical) I can macth 80-10M and use PC-ALE (or
Multipsk) fully.


>
> 2. The link margins necessary for the calling waveform are pretty 
> substantial. Those used to the relatively robust nature of RSID or any of the 
> other common digital modes will be sorely disappointed. >Even Winmor, while 
> better than ALE, requires substantially better conditions for success.


>
> 3. The software itself is relatively complex to setup and operate. I'm sure 
> Andy will argue to the contrary :-) However IMHO it's significantly more 
> involved than just firing up Fldigi and banging away at >some Olivia or PSK.

You are correct, I'll argue to the contrary.  It is easier that FLdigi
to set up EXCEPT the terminology used in the program is not familiar
to many of us and contributes to confusion.  The quick guide to
setting it up that is on the hflink web site can help an ham be up and
running in 2 minutes.


>
> 4. The widely shared nature of the ham bands makes collisions inevitable 
> given the automation inherent in ALE (automation that is the whole point, in 
> fact) and the limitations of even the best busy >channel detection algorithm. 
> This issue tends to generate a lot of hate and discontent. However this ought 
> to be the least worrisome issue. With an appropriate band plan (which already 
> exists for >PCALE) the carnage can be limited to just the ALE calling 
> channels and anyone who wants to use ALE should be expected to sign up for a 
> certain amount of interference and not be whining about it >as long as it 
> stays on the calling freq's.
>

I agree.



> In lieu of full-blown ALE consider the following idea:
>
> I'm no software engineer and beggars can't be choosers, so forgive me for 
> making the following related suggestion (Patrick already laid into me on this 
> once!) Consider that RSID is great for identifying the mode and that Call ID 
> is great for identifying who is calling. Both use signaling standards and 
> waveforms that are very simple and robust. But what is missing is an 
> equivalent SELCAL (selective calling) signaling standard using waveforms and 
> formats similar to RSID and Call ID. Imagine you wanted to find somebody 
> monitoring the 3KHz of USB spectrum at 14070KHz dial freq. You could find a 
> clear spot in the waterfall and transmit the SELCAL which contains the call 
> sign of the station you wish to reach. At the receiving station the SELCAL 
> enabled software would function in the same manner as that currently done for 
> RSID, i.e. detect the call, display/sound a notification and provide 
> automation for tuning and answering under operator control.
>
> Once an effective, simple and robust SELCAL standard is developed (again IMHO 
> it should be a logical extension of the existing RSID and Call ID standards) 
> it could eventually be parlayed into a more modern and effective variant of 
> ALE. By using time synchronized band scanning and transmission (similar to 
> WSPR et al) probability of intercept can be substantially improved. Neither 
> the SELCAL or time synchronization represent new technology and both derive 
> from proven, similar implementations. So if one were to make a SELCAL on 80M, 
> for example, once the spot on the waterfall was chosen by the operator 
> (because we can't rely on unreliable busy-channel detection technology) the 
> SELCAL transmission would occur at say for instance 10 seconds past the 
> minute. Synchronized scanning would put all stations on 80M at 10-15 seconds 
> past the minute, 40M at 15-20 seconds, and so on.
>
> The last piece would be to perfect busy channel detection and automate the 
> selection of empty places on the waterfall, but this part of the puzzle is 
> useless with SELCAL (very useful by itself) and synchronized 
> scanning/transmission. And once this last part was perfected we are back to 
> requiring special tuner/antenna solutions.
>



Sound lik

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Getting serious about ALE /Scan rates

[Andy obrien]

In Multipsk and PC-ALE there are settings that enable the user to select the
scanning rate .  The scan rate needs to match the typical length of a
"sounding" or a individual call. .  By that I mean,  if a station sounds for
15 seconds but you change frequency every 30 seconds, you are going to miss
a call and defeat one of the main features of ALE.  Typically, a 2 seconds
per channel scan rate is quite sufficient and all rigs that I know of can do
this.   Sometimes I slow it down and choose a 5 second per channel option,
this works well too.  I am puzzled by the fact tha ALE default digital mode
is accepted as not be very robust but I have seen it detect basic callsigns
from a very weak signal while scanning quite fast.

If your rig is scanning the 80.40,30,20,15,17,12,10 ALE data channels that
is 8 channels covered in 16 seconds.  The next issue , if doing multiband
scanning with a non-resonant antenna, is can your antenna tuner detect you
have changed frequency and match the new frequency quickly enough (before
transmit begins).  My TS2000 can, my TS440 cannot .  The TS440 antenna tuner
does not memorize settings and thus has to take time to match each time,
that is too long for ALE.

Please note that I agree with Charles, ALE does have a "lid" factor in that
you can transmit automatically and on top of another  QSO.  I am advocating
that we do this will in the shack and listening first.

Andy K3UK



On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Phil Williams  wrote:

>
>
> "This is not really correct with PC-ALE and a modern receiver that has
> a internal antenna tuner. I have used PC-ALE with a TS2000 and an
> Icom 746 Pro and the tuner in both rigs memorizes settings for each
> transmission"
>
> How fast does the rig need to scan?
>
> philw de ka1gmn
>  
>

Re: [digitalradio] Getting serious about ALE for non-encomm digital hamming

[Andy obrien]

On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 9:01 AM, WD8ARZ  wrote:
>
>
>
> Good to see this post Andy.

and good to see your ALE station this morning, loud and clear even
though the BER was only a moderate 26.


[16:11:02][FRQ 07102000][SND][   ][TWS][WD8ARZ
][AL0] BER 26 SN 08

Andy K3UK

[digitalradio] QRV ALE special group

[Andy obrien]

I have modified my ALE station and during daylight hours I will be
scanning the following channels while in the shack most of the day
(I'll add 80M later tonight)

7074   USB
*7102  USB
*10145.5 USB
14074 USB
*14109USB

* denotes standard ALE data channels commonly used by ALE stations

The 14074 and 7074 frequencies are not typically monitored by ALE
stations but are often used by digital mode enthusiasts  for modes
other than PSK31 or RTTY.   I am prosing that members of this group
use 7074 and 14074 using standard ALE and make occasion calls on these
frequencies in attended mode .

So far thjis morning  I have seen


[16:44:12][FRQ 10145500][SND][   ][TWS][WB6MZS
][AL0] BER 17 SN 03  (note a decode with weak signals)
[16:12:01][FRQ 10145500][SND][   ][TWS][KM4BA
][AL0] BER 30 SN 06
[16:11:02][FRQ 07102000][SND][   ][TWS][WD8ARZ
][AL0] BER 26 SN 08

and surprise visitor to my station

[16:44:48][FRQ 14109000][LINKED  ][KA1GMN ]
[16:50:28][FRQ 14109000][TO ][K3UK   ][TIS][KA1GMN
][AL0] BER 28 SN 06

Who found me while I was scanning at one channel every two seconds,
well done Phil.  You disappeared though.




 I will monitor all of the listed frequencies and welcome calls.  Will
switch to other modes as needed after the initial link.

Andy K3UK
Fredonia, NY.

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ALE and rigs

[Andy obrien]

>
>
> Andy--are you saying that the TS2000 and 746 will tune BEFORE transmit 
> (assuming valid tune data for that freq is there)? If so that's really great, 
> but it still speaks to my issue on requiring particular and more elaborate 
> equipment to operate "real" ALE, i.e. scanning ALE (which is the whole point, 
> of course!)


Yes, my rig easily does this, I also set up and tested a friends 746
Pro and all was OK too.  Essentially, you just do a manual "tune" of
each ALE data channel and the rig's tuner memorizes the setting
henceforth

Andy K3UK

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Getting serious about ALE / LID factor

[Andy obrien]

I should point out that the ALE software (both PC-ALE and Multipsk) have
anti-lid features in that you can easily set-up the software NOT to transmit
but continue to scan when you are out of the shack. You have to tell it each
time, the sofware does not know if you are in the shack or not... perhaps
future versions will have heat detecting features and will sense when you
are live in the radio room!

Andy K3UK


On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Phil Williams  wrote:

>
>
> Thanks for the explanation of scanning.  I don't think the scanning part of
> this will be in the cards for me right now, but I am still interesting in
> participating.
>
> "I agree with Charles, ALE does have a "lid" factor in that you can
> transmit automatically and on top of another  QSO.  I am advocating that we
> do this will in the shack and listening first."
>
> I could not agree with Charles and you more on this point.  If the busy
> channel feature is lacking then, being in the shack when operating this mode
> is the only right thing to do.
>
> Personally, automatic operation doesn't do it for me.  Each to his/her
> own.  I just find it more entertaining when there is a live human on the
> end.
>
> philw de ka1gmn
>

Re: [digitalradio] QRV ALE special group

[Andy obrien]

I am scanning in standard ALE.  I would love the ability to "dual" scan
(both regular and ALE400) but software does not permit this.

On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Phil Williams  wrote:

>
>
> 14074 - 141a or ALE400?
>
>
>
>

Re: [digitalradio] QRV ALE special group

[Andy obrien]

actually, I am now doing both...in a crude way.  PC-ALE is controlling
my rig and scanning standard ALE .  I also have Multipsk running, not
scanning, but it will sound an alert if a ALE400 signal is detected.
PC-ALE will not pause however, since it does not know anything about
ALE400, so I am not sure if this method will do anything or not.  I'll
test and see,  The main reason I have Multipsk up is that I can easily
switch to a different digital mode of I receive a connect/link from an
ALE station.



Andy K3UK

On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Andy obrien  wrote:
> I am scanning in standard ALE.  I would love the ability to "dual" scan
> (both regular and ALE400) but software does not permit this.
>
> On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Phil Williams  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> 14074 - 141a or ALE400?
>>
>>
>

Re: [digitalradio] QRV ALE special group

[Andy obrien]

AMD is usually the one most use for a quick chat after a link is
established.  Since I do not use Multipsk for ALE 141 I am not really sure
how AMD versus DTM or DBM is set up.  ALE 400 is better for regular rag
chews.



On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Phil Williams  wrote:

>
>
> Ok thanks. For simple QSOs, what mode within standard ALE do you recommend?
>
> philw de ka1gmn
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Andy obrien  wrote:
>

[digitalradio] ALE: The great KA1GMN experiment

[Andy obrien]

Well, it was not really a GREAT experiment in the  grand scheme of
things... but it worked .  Phil KA1GMN proved my earlier point about
ALE.. despite a lack of overall "robustness" comapred to other digital
modes... it IS USEFUL for finding people.  Today I was scanning
multiple frequencies and bands ...every 2 seconds,  and my station
heard a call for me from KA1GMN... The software cause my rig to stopp
scanning, our stations LINKED , we used the AMD mode in ALE for brief
keyboard chat, determined that we could have an easier time with
another mode, chose ALE400 and had a nice long QSO with great copy.

So, ALE does provide a useful way to contact friends and an
alternative to traditional CQ methods.

Andy K3UK

[digitalradio] Re: QRV ALE special group

[Andy obrien]

I have now added 3584 and 3596 US6 to my scan for the evening.

Andy K3UK

On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Andy obrien  wrote:
> I have modified my ALE station and during daylight hours I will be
> scanning the following channels while in the shack most of the day
> (I'll add 80M later tonight)
>
> 7074       USB
> *7102      USB
> *10145.5 USB
> 14074     USB
> *14109    USB
>
> * denotes standard ALE data channels commonly used by ALE stations
>
> The 14074 and 7074 frequencies are not typically monitored by ALE
> stations but are often used by digital mode enthusiasts  for modes
> other than PSK31 or RTTY.   I am prosing that members of this group
> use 7074 and 14074 using standard ALE and make occasion calls on these
> frequencies in attended mode .
>
> So far thjis morning  I have seen
>
>
> [16:44:12][FRQ 10145500][SND][               ][TWS][WB6MZS
> ][AL0] BER 17 SN 03  (note a decode with weak signals)
> [16:12:01][FRQ 10145500][SND][               ][TWS][KM4BA
> ][AL0] BER 30 SN 06
> [16:11:02][FRQ 07102000][SND][               ][TWS][WD8ARZ
> ][AL0] BER 26 SN 08
>
> and surprise visitor to my station
>
> [16:44:48][FRQ 14109000][LINKED  ][KA1GMN         ]
> [16:50:28][FRQ 14109000][TO ][K3UK           ][TIS][KA1GMN
> ][AL0] BER 28 SN 06
>
> Who found me while I was scanning at one channel every two seconds,
> well done Phil.  You disappeared though.
>
>
>
>
>  I will monitor all of the listed frequencies and welcome calls.  Will
> switch to other modes as needed after the initial link.
>
> Andy K3UK
> Fredonia, NY.
>

[digitalradio] 7030 QRM

[Andy obrien]

Rick, not likely .  ALE mostly uses

 7040500
 7065000
 7099500
 7102000
 7110500
 7185500
 7296000

With 7102 in North America as the one with "digital" data signals.

Andy K3UK


On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Rick Karlquist wrote:

>
>
> > Charles,
> >
> > Your constant efforts to spread disinformation about ALE use in ham
> > radio shows how little you know about how hams are using ALE.
> >
> > If you are really concerned about lids on HF, start with the #1 primary
> > source of QRM: contesters.
> >
> > Bonnie VR2/KQ6XA
> >
>
> That reminds me. During the CW Sweepstakes 2 weeks ago, I was trying
> to operate on ~7030 and bursts of RTTY-sounding stuff kept coming
> on the frequency for 5 or 10 seconds every once in a while.
> Is that ALE? Why am I as a contester "QRM" and that stuff is not QRM?
>
> Rick N6RK
>
>  
>

[digitalradio] Moderator comments : Listen-Don't listen

[Andy obrien]

Before we go down the path of debating "listen first" or not.  I will
remind folks that most of the argument has been stated before.  Aside
from the legalities of the issue, there are camps that strongly
advocate that every hams should also listen first and not transmit if
the frequency is busy, and those that feel some modes have such short
initial identifying bursts that listening first is not necessary , and
perhaps antiquated.  I think we should acknowledge both viewpoints,
without dragging the issue on and on.  What I do feel needs pointing
out is that if you take the first position, that one should always
check a frequency and inquire if it is free, logical would dictate
that this applies to all aspects of hams radio including contests.  A
contester that calls CQ Contest without QRL is as "guilty" as an ALE
or Packet station.  Since I am a contester, I might argue that
although the frequency is crowed, I think my signal can fit next to
others without undue QRM.  That might not be that much different than
a Propnet station that fires up 32 hz away from me.  I may think it
annoying but they might feel I should be able to operate with a close
neighbour.

Feel free to share your opinion on the matter but do so with respect
for other opinions.  In the scheme of things , whether one believes in
"QRL first" or not, does not make the person with contrary views in to
a evil dastardly person.  We just differ.

Andy K3UK

Re: [digitalradio] Disinformation about ALE by N5PVL Re: Getting serious about ALE / LID factor

[Andy obrien]

Good point Skip, in this modern era with cabrillo files, it should be easy
to do.



On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 6:37 PM, KH6TY  wrote:

>
>
> There are VHF contests that are limited to only certain bands out of all
> available. There are HF contests for just phone, or CW or RTTY, so it should
> be no problem for HF contest sponsors to only allow credit for Q's made
> between certain frequencies on each band. That would be on the honor system,
> or might require logging a certain frequency instead of just a band, but
> maybe that would be a way to reserve some space for other activities (IF
> there could be agreement on what space to reserve!:-) ).
>
> Just a thought...
>
> Skip KH6TY
>
>
>

Re: [digitalradio] 7030 QRM

[Andy obrien]

I'm still guessing it was not ALE.


On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Rick Karlquist wrote:

>
>
> Andy obrien wrote:
> > Rick, not likely . ALE mostly uses
> >
> > 7040500
> > 7065000
> > 7099500
> > 7102000
> > 7110500
> > 7185500
> > 7296000
>
> Actually, now that I think about it, I was trying to use
> 7040.
>
> Rick N6RK
>
>  
>

Re: [digitalradio] Moderator comments : Listen-Don't listen

[Andy obrien]

On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 6:57 PM, KH6TY  wrote:
>
>
>
> Andy,
>
> I must respectfully disagree. A contester who calls CQ Contest is usually 
> doing it on a frequency that is clear at the moment (at least at his 
> location). If you think you can fit between signals, you have already 
> determined that space is clear, have you not?
>
> All this is quite different from an automated Propnet station, or ALE 
> sounding, that has made no determination at all.

After consideration, I acknowledge your point...it is different.

Andy K3UK

Re: [digitalradio] Moderator comments : Listen-Don't listen

[Andy obrien]

 Unattended stations make no attempt to share at all, but assume the
frequency is theirs whenever they want it, and actually they never
know if it were clear or not, as they can just automatically transmit
again until they are successful. This undermines the principle of
shared frequencies, which is what Charles was trying to point out.
>
> Skip KH6TY
>
>
>

but not ALE all stations (I can't speak for Propnet) are unattended..
I was in my shack at each sounding yesterday.  Also, my ALE software
pauses a scan and suddenly says "listening" for a few seconds before
it transmits.  It rarely prevents a transmit if the frequency is busy,
 but my brain causes a quick glance at the waterfall  when I hear a
scan stop (my rig makes a noise)  and I can simply stop a transmit if
the frequency is busy.  The interesting thing is that the ALE data
frequencies  rarely busy .   As I type this there is a Pactor station
squawking away about 1500 Hz away but I went HOURS yesterday without
having to stop an ALE transmit .

Andy  K3UK

Re: [digitalradio] 13 pin DIN plug switch box?

[Andy obrien]

I want one too!

On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 10:45 PM, Tony  wrote:

>
>
> All,
>
> Does anyone know where I can find a 13 pin DIN plug switch box? I use the
> ACC2 socket on my Kenwood TS2000 to run sound card modes and connect my Kam
> Plus TNC. A switch would come in handy.
>
> Tony -K2MO
>  
>   Rep 
>

Re: [digitalradio] Re: HF International Automatic Subbands

[Andy obrien]

> When there's no emergency underway, however, the "automatic bands" are 
> available to all amateur stations, not just unattended stations. Its no more 
> acceptable for unattended stations to QRM ongoing QSOs in the "automatic 
> bands" than it is to QRM them anywhere else within the amateur spectrum.
>
> 73,
>
> Dave, AA6YQ
>


Excuse me for being so dumb, Dave...  what is the purpose for allowing
"unattended" stations in a specific part of a band if they have to
listen to make sure a frequency is clear?  I don't "get it".  Also, am
I wrong in thinking  that "unattended versus "automatic" means the
same thing?


Hmm, in thinking back to the days that all this may have started,
packet days,   I remember that my TNC would not transmit a packet if
the TNC detected another station, it would wait a second or two.  is
this the difference , that unattended with busy detect is fine ?

Andy K3UK

Re: [digitalradio] Digital busy detect -Winmor

[Andy obrien]

WINMOR's busy detect works perfectly at the  initiating station's  end, a
pop-up windows tells you the frequency is in use and ask if you really want
to go ahead and transmit.  I have not seen it work at the other end, i.e.
prevent another station connecting  because a third party is also detected
at the receive station's end.

Andy K3UK

Re: [digitalradio] Digital busy detect -Winmor

[Andy obrien]

FYI, the author of Winmor advised me that 3rd party busy detect IS part of
Winmor.  If the client attempts to call the server and the server dtecets
another signal, the connect is not allowed.  This, as Dave has consutantly
pointed out, is to be expected since the Winmor author has shown the ability
to design a similar busy detect feature in SCAMP.

Andy K3UK


On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Phil Williams  wrote:

>
>
> Yes,  seen that myself.
>
> philw de ka1gmn
>
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 8:06 AM, Andy obrien  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> WINMOR's busy detect works perfectly at the  initiating station's  end, a
>> pop-up windows tells you the frequency is in use and ask if you really want
>> to go ahead and transmit.  I have not seen it work at the other end, i.e.
>> prevent another station connecting  because a third party is also detected
>> at the receive station's end.
>>
>> Andy K3UK
>>
>>
>>
>>
>  
>