Re: [tdf-discuss] Thninking about a user focused web forum - and user support in general
Le 2010-10-25 01:54, todd rme a écrit : On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 11:51 PM, Drew Jensen wrote: Thanks Drew Has anyone looked at the KDE forums? It might be a good layout for a software-specific forum. We also have a built-in system for handling feature requests directly in the forum (the brainstorm forum). http://forum.kde.org/ disclaimer: I am an admin on the KDE forums. Hi todd, Looks nice - can you tell me how you think it differs from the forums at http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum Is there some specific aspect to how things are grouped in the KDE site you wanted to draw attention to? Is it some particular set of features, search is good because..., how reply is handled is better because..., that type of thing. Thanks for taking the time to discuss, much appreciated Drew There are a bunch of features that I think would be helpful. The ones I can think of right now: * As Marc pointed out, it has the "guided posting" system. This walks you through making a new post, to make sure the post ends up in the proper place and has the necessary information. * It also has the brainstorm forum, which is an integrated system for proposing, voting on, discussing, and tracking feature requests. * It has a keyword tagging system for posts that helps you find what you are looking for. * There is a "Solved" button on each post. The person that solved the problem clicks the button on the post that had the solution in it, letting others uses with the same problem jump straight to the solution right from the topic list or search results (they just click a checkbox icon). It also lets people trying to help know that the thread doesn't need them. * It has a button on the topic list and search results that lets you jump straight to the first unread post in a thread. * It automatically aggregates news from the official KDE news sources, the KDE website and KDE Dot News, with the ability to comment on them. There is also a specific forum just for new releases. * It has integrated icons for common operating systems (including Linux distributions) to make it easy to tell at a glance what sort of system the person you are trying to help has. * The theme is designed to match the theme used by the rest of the KDE websites (all official KDE websites use a common theme, including the forums). * It has flags for countries below each username and language-specific forums. The forum you referred me to may have some of these, but I did not see them when I looked. -Todd Hi Todd: From a user point of view, at first I thought it was a very dumbing down system BUT after I tried it, it became quite obvious that it was a very streamlined way of dealing with users and obviously, from an organisational point of view, very nice for the admins. You will most likely get fewer mis-placed postings. I particularly liked the new: "guided posting" system. This walks you through making a new post, to make sure the post ends up in the proper place and has the necessary information." as well as the "Solved" check mark. Although I found the "Solved check mark at little hard to find/use at first (it doesn't add the usual "[Solved]" word in the subject line). After I browsed the threads, I could then see the value of it. From a user's perspective, I thought it was an overall nice feeling to use it. Marc -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Thninking about a user focused web forum - and user support in general
Howdy Todd > > There are a bunch of features that I think would be helpful. The ones > I can think of right now: > > * As Marc pointed out, it has the "guided posting" system. This walks > you through making a new post, to make sure the post ends up in the > proper place and has the necessary information. > > * It also has the brainstorm forum, which is an integrated system for > proposing, voting on, discussing, and tracking feature requests. > > * It has a keyword tagging system for posts that helps you find what > you are looking for. > > * There is a "Solved" button on each post. The person that solved the > problem clicks the button on the post that had the solution in it, > letting others uses with the same problem jump straight to the > solution right from the topic list or search results (they just click > a checkbox icon). It also lets people trying to help know that the > thread doesn't need them. > > * It has a button on the topic list and search results that lets you > jump straight to the first unread post in a thread. > > * It automatically aggregates news from the official KDE news sources, > the KDE website and KDE Dot News, with the ability to comment on them. > There is also a specific forum just for new releases. > > * It has integrated icons for common operating systems (including > Linux distributions) to make it easy to tell at a glance what sort of > system the person you are trying to help has. > > * The theme is designed to match the theme used by the rest of the KDE > websites (all official KDE websites use a common theme, including the > forums). > > * It has flags for countries below each username and language-specific forums. > > The forum you referred me to may have some of these, but I did not see > them when I looked. > > -Todd > Excellent - to keep from losing it I added this in toto to the discuss page on the wiki http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User_talk:Drew/oo-forums //drew -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Thninking about a user focused web forum - and user support in general
On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 11:51 PM, Drew Jensen wrote: >> > >> > Thanks >> > >> > Drew >> >> Has anyone looked at the KDE forums? It might be a good layout for a >> software-specific forum. We also have a built-in system for handling >> feature requests directly in the forum (the brainstorm forum). >> >> http://forum.kde.org/ >> >> disclaimer: I am an admin on the KDE forums. >> > > Hi todd, > > Looks nice - can you tell me how you think it differs from the forums at > http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum > > Is there some specific aspect to how things are grouped in the KDE site > you wanted to draw attention to? Is it some particular set of features, > search is good because..., how reply is handled is better because..., > that type of thing. > > Thanks for taking the time to discuss, much appreciated > > Drew There are a bunch of features that I think would be helpful. The ones I can think of right now: * As Marc pointed out, it has the "guided posting" system. This walks you through making a new post, to make sure the post ends up in the proper place and has the necessary information. * It also has the brainstorm forum, which is an integrated system for proposing, voting on, discussing, and tracking feature requests. * It has a keyword tagging system for posts that helps you find what you are looking for. * There is a "Solved" button on each post. The person that solved the problem clicks the button on the post that had the solution in it, letting others uses with the same problem jump straight to the solution right from the topic list or search results (they just click a checkbox icon). It also lets people trying to help know that the thread doesn't need them. * It has a button on the topic list and search results that lets you jump straight to the first unread post in a thread. * It automatically aggregates news from the official KDE news sources, the KDE website and KDE Dot News, with the ability to comment on them. There is also a specific forum just for new releases. * It has integrated icons for common operating systems (including Linux distributions) to make it easy to tell at a glance what sort of system the person you are trying to help has. * The theme is designed to match the theme used by the rest of the KDE websites (all official KDE websites use a common theme, including the forums). * It has flags for countries below each username and language-specific forums. The forum you referred me to may have some of these, but I did not see them when I looked. -Todd -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Thninking about a user focused web forum - and user support in general
> > > > Thanks > > > > Drew > > Has anyone looked at the KDE forums? It might be a good layout for a > software-specific forum. We also have a built-in system for handling > feature requests directly in the forum (the brainstorm forum). > > http://forum.kde.org/ > > disclaimer: I am an admin on the KDE forums. > Hi todd, Looks nice - can you tell me how you think it differs from the forums at http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum Is there some specific aspect to how things are grouped in the KDE site you wanted to draw attention to? Is it some particular set of features, search is good because..., how reply is handled is better because..., that type of thing. Thanks for taking the time to discuss, much appreciated Drew -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Better defaults
Le 2010-10-24 22:09, Roman Gelbort a écrit : El 24/10/10 12:40, Marc Paré escribió: Another example: do you know anyone that use the "send by email" button? Most possible receivers nowadays still use msoffice so using that button have the only effect that new users come to forums asking why the people to whom they sent the file is not able to open it. I think it is better to completely hide that button. I don't think this would be a good idea. I actually use it extensively, I know of at least dozens of my clients, professionals and amateurs, who use it. Strategically, this would also be the wrong this to do as we are trying to encourage the use of the OASIS opendoc formats. Why would we then sheepishly hide the button that we advocate? There is also a "Send .doc " button that people may use. I usually tell people to use the send .doc and inform the recipients that there is an opendoc format that will prevent their files from ever being incompatible from MSO. I also encourage them to tell everyone else. We can then all advocate the opendoc formats. I would not change this. This is changing the roots of the existence of the LibO. We can do better than this and not give up. Let's all advocate, we are 300 million users, aren't we? I think that exist a mid point... IMHO. If this button has a menu button (like paste button). This would be the best solution. Could continue advocating the ODF format and make a better functionality for many users. Thanks for the answers. I am always leery of choices that have to deal with the opendocument formats. We advocate using the formats as a philosophical and practical rule for our distro. We should be careful to remove anything in the Save; Save as, import; export etc... or any other functions which may diminish our 1st choice of format which is the OASIS opendocument format. We are still, after all, with 300 million downloads (and most likely more if you count any other opendocument format-centre suite), a big influential group and we should be able to trumpet the opendocument to everyone. We should be able to market it as a definite solid format for everyone and a format that has a clear advantage over the MS formats, in that the OASIS opendocument formats will always be readable and not obsolescent unlike the MS formats. Marc -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Thninking about a user focused web forum - and user support in general
Le 2010-10-24 23:08, todd rme a écrit : On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Drew Jensen wrote: HI, I'm tossing this out onto 3 lists - website, and discuss I was kind of hoping to get some interest on the users list specific to web forum ideas - I know that this has already started. Anyway - a quick pointer this this review page: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Drew/oo-forums For website maybe a little broader, I also setup a microblog site, what is that...darned if I really know..being an old foggy and all, but you can see it at - I added an item to the conference call about this - if we see a way to use it...btw http://libreofficevols.status.net Thanks Drew Has anyone looked at the KDE forums? It might be a good layout for a software-specific forum. We also have a built-in system for handling feature requests directly in the forum (the brainstorm forum). http://forum.kde.org/ disclaimer: I am an admin on the KDE forums. Is it just me or have the KDE forums changed recently? It has all of these pop-up windows to help narrow down the posts. Seems pretty organised. Marc -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Thninking about a user focused web forum - and user support in general
On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Drew Jensen wrote: > HI, > > I'm tossing this out onto 3 lists - website, and discuss > > I was kind of hoping to get some interest on the users list specific to > web forum ideas - I know that this has already started. > > Anyway - a quick pointer this this review page: > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Drew/oo-forums > > > For website maybe a little broader, I also setup a microblog site, what > is that...darned if I really know..being an old foggy and all, but you > can see it at - I added an item to the conference call about this - if > we see a way to use it...btw > > http://libreofficevols.status.net > > Thanks > > Drew Has anyone looked at the KDE forums? It might be a good layout for a software-specific forum. We also have a built-in system for handling feature requests directly in the forum (the brainstorm forum). http://forum.kde.org/ disclaimer: I am an admin on the KDE forums. -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Better defaults
El 24/10/10 12:40, Marc Paré escribió: >> Another example: do you know anyone that use the "send by email" >> button? Most possible receivers nowadays still use msoffice so using >> that button have the only effect that new users come to forums asking >> why the people to whom they sent the file is not able to open it. I >> think it is better to completely hide that button. > > I don't think this would be a good idea. I actually use it > extensively, I know of at least dozens of my clients, professionals > and amateurs, who use it. Strategically, this would also be the wrong > this to do as we are trying to encourage the use of the OASIS opendoc > formats. Why would we then sheepishly hide the button that we > advocate? There is also a "Send .doc " button that people may use. I > usually tell people to use the send .doc and inform the recipients > that there is an opendoc format that will prevent their files from > ever being incompatible from MSO. I also encourage them to tell > everyone else. We can then all advocate the opendoc formats. > > I would not change this. This is changing the roots of the existence > of the LibO. We can do better than this and not give up. Let's all > advocate, we are 300 million users, aren't we? I think that exist a mid point... IMHO. If this button has a menu button (like paste button). This would be the best solution. Could continue advocating the ODF format and make a better functionality for many users. -- ~~~ Prof. Román H. Gelbort http://www.piensalibre.com.ar Por 10 años con una oficina Open... desde ahora también LIBRE ~~~ -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Better defaults
Le 2010-10-24 11:40, Marc Paré a écrit : Le 2010-10-24 08:23, RGB ES a écrit : Another example: do you know anyone that use the "send by email" button? Most possible receivers nowadays still use msoffice so using that button have the only effect that new users come to forums asking why the people to whom they sent the file is not able to open it. I think it is better to completely hide that button. I always remove it, but that's basically because I tend to work in two steps. 1. Write the document and save it 2. Write an e-mail and attach the document. I don't think this would be a good idea. I actually use it extensively, I know of at least dozens of my clients, professionals and amateurs, who use it. Strategically, this would also be the wrong this to do as we are trying to encourage the use of the OASIS opendoc formats. Why would we then sheepishly hide the button that we advocate? There is also a "Send .doc " button that people may use. I usually tell people to use the send .doc and inform the recipients that there is an opendoc format that will prevent their files from ever being incompatible from MSO. I also encourage them to tell everyone else. We can then all advocate the opendoc formats. It depends who your clients are. Mine are either computer-illiterate or work for companies where some other guy (usually and outside IT resource) has set up their computer and locked it. So I get the phone call that they can't do anything with the document. Contextual toolbars is a nice feature, but many people hate it because these toolbars appears in front of their documents, floating on non useful positions. The first thing I always do when installing a new OOo/LibO version is to anchor those toolbars to the botom of the window. I agree with this, they should not be floating. Isn't there a setting for this? Maybe the original setting should be a bottom anchor. Marc You can get the contextual toolbars non-floating at the bottom by moving them manually the first time they appear. Better to have it done by default, however. With regard to buttons, I would suggest less white space in/around icons. The way the graphics are sized, we could shave 2 to 4 pixels in width and height and make those toolbars more compact, yet keep graphics the same size. -- Michel Gagnon Montréal (Québec, Canada) -- http://mgagnon.net -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibO program icon brainstorming
Hi Christoph, all Christoph Noack schrieb: Hi Bernhard! Am Samstag, den 23.10.2010, 00:05 +0200 schrieb Bernhard Dippold: and added it as first item to the Branding Sandbox I just created: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/index.php?title=Marketing/Branding/Sandbox&action=submit Sorry - Sending didn't work properly, so the icon draft wasn't included in this page. So I added it to the place you suggested: Thanks for creating it, but I have been a bit faster ;-) I've created the sub-page "ideas" for all kinds of marketing items. And, personally, I don't like the term "Sandbox" that much. Here is the page: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Ideas at the bottom: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Ideas#First_Draft_Bernhard So what to do, merge? And then it seems a good idea to announce this on the Marketing list - but I won't be able to do so (today) I sent the first mail to the Marketing List too, so I do with this one - follow-ups there if possible... And by the way: I also included "yellow color idea" and updated the proposal which is based on your proposal ... Saw it - but didn't have the time to post a message requesting integration in the official LibreOffice color palette... I think this color will fit well and allow us to come back to the sub-application colors I already used for the mimetype icon draft [1] and an idea for a LibO-Box (DVD) [2]. Best regards Bernhard [1]: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Ideas#First_Draft_Bernhard [2]: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibOBox_label.png -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Better defaults
Hi Marc! Am Sonntag, den 24.10.2010, 11:40 -0400 schrieb Marc Paré: > > > Another example: do you know anyone that use the "send by email" > > button? Most possible receivers nowadays still use msoffice so using > > that button have the only effect that new users come to forums > asking > > why the people to whom they sent the file is not able to open it. I > > think it is better to completely hide that button. [rationale] > I would not change this. This is changing the roots of the existence > of > the LibO. We can do better than this and not give up. Let's all > advocate, we are 300 million users, aren't we? We will stumble over such issues from time to time ... and we will never be able to fully resolve them without some more help. First, if we consider the wish of each individual user, then we'll end up with (example) all the toolbar buttons enabled which are available in the whole office. So there is a need to define a basic feature set which makes sense for most of the users (and which might be tweaked for your customers, if required). The problem: Even if we try to restrict the functionality to what "we" think is useful, we might fall short with regard to real usage (the majority of users just uses LibO/OOo and isn't subscribed to any list). To gather some information of this "hidden usage", OpenOffice.org implemented "User Feedback" that collects such data. It helps to support decision making. Personally, I hope that there will be such data available for LibO in the future. And, "RGB ES", there is a similar activity for OpenOffice.org which is called "Better Defaults" [2]. Ubuntu made something similar some time ago and called it "Paper Cuts" [3]. Its likely that we do something like that once some the development processes got settled. Cheers, Christoph [1] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Tracking_results [2] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User_Experience/Improving_OOo_Default_Settings [3] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PaperCut -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Thninking about a user focused web forum - and user support in general
HI, I'm tossing this out onto 3 lists - website, and discuss I was kind of hoping to get some interest on the users list specific to web forum ideas - I know that this has already started. Anyway - a quick pointer this this review page: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Drew/oo-forums For website maybe a little broader, I also setup a microblog site, what is that...darned if I really know..being an old foggy and all, but you can see it at - I added an item to the conference call about this - if we see a way to use it...btw http://libreofficevols.status.net Thanks Drew -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] Meeting Minutes 2010-10-20 Available
Le 2010-10-24 03:24, Daniel Stoni a écrit : - Website/CMS people involved might want to have a look at the Drupal/CiviCRM combination # civicrm is well suited to manage memberships (including payments), contacts, etc # drupal is one leading cms, ideal for community plumbing and with a variety of extensions Regards, Dani *** Hi Dani: Your comments would be better noted on the website mailist and in the "Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS" thread, if you want your voice to count along with the others. This is comments like these are collected. Could you post them there? Marc -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Better defaults
Le 2010-10-24 08:23, RGB ES a écrit : Another example: do you know anyone that use the "send by email" button? Most possible receivers nowadays still use msoffice so using that button have the only effect that new users come to forums asking why the people to whom they sent the file is not able to open it. I think it is better to completely hide that button. I don't think this would be a good idea. I actually use it extensively, I know of at least dozens of my clients, professionals and amateurs, who use it. Strategically, this would also be the wrong this to do as we are trying to encourage the use of the OASIS opendoc formats. Why would we then sheepishly hide the button that we advocate? There is also a "Send .doc " button that people may use. I usually tell people to use the send .doc and inform the recipients that there is an opendoc format that will prevent their files from ever being incompatible from MSO. I also encourage them to tell everyone else. We can then all advocate the opendoc formats. I would not change this. This is changing the roots of the existence of the LibO. We can do better than this and not give up. Let's all advocate, we are 300 million users, aren't we? Contextual toolbars is a nice feature, but many people hate it because these toolbars appears in front of their documents, floating on non useful positions. The first thing I always do when installing a new OOo/LibO version is to anchor those toolbars to the botom of the window. I agree with this, they should not be floating. Isn't there a setting for this? Maybe the original setting should be a bottom anchor. Marc -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Vector/Raster Graphics Editing
On Sun, 2010-10-24 at 14:49 +0100, Les Cunningham wrote: > Now for some wishful thinking. My ideal word processor would be modular, > consisting of a core program with all the features that most people will > use, plus a number of optional modules to enable features, such as mail > merge, used only by a minority. With Ubuntu, for example, the install CD > could then include a much leaner version of LO, within which would be > the facility to install (and even uninstall) additional modules as > required. This could even allow the possibility of having two > alternative modules for much the same purpose. Not just the WP. All apps - we could then have lean enough versions to go in old hardware or mobile devices where processing power is traded against battery life. Unfortunately the inherent design of OOo does not seem to allow such approach without an almost complete re-write :-( -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Vector/Raster Graphics Editing
Hello, As someone who is interested in LibreOffice, but does not have enough programming experience to contribute, I was just going to lurk on this forum to satisfy my curiosity, but... On 24/10/10 13:01, RGB ES wrote: Even if editing any kind of graphics is a "nice to have" feature, I think LibO need to build a solid base first. There are already good open source apps to do the job so integrating with those apps (properly embed/display/export-to-pdf of svg/eps files, for example) will pay more than going for "the one office suite to rule them all". We need to make what we have rock solid before going for more. The big risk of adding every possible feature is to end with something like this: http://www.inventosabsurdos.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/trinacria-cutlery.jpg pretty, but useless. Just my 2 ¢ I would agree strongly with this. As someone who has used OOo for several years, my criticisms of it would be that it is slow to load and that it has occasional glitches such as refusing to format some text correctly for no reason that I can figure out, rather than any lack of features. I would prefer to see LO put a high priority on ease of use of existing features and reliability, rather than become a bloated monster with numerous features which only a very small percentage of users will want and which may not be completely reliable. Personally, if I want to incorporate graphics in a document, I am not bothered by having to edit images using an appropriate program before importing them into the document, and I suspect that is the case for most people. Now for some wishful thinking. My ideal word processor would be modular, consisting of a core program with all the features that most people will use, plus a number of optional modules to enable features, such as mail merge, used only by a minority. With Ubuntu, for example, the install CD could then include a much leaner version of LO, within which would be the facility to install (and even uninstall) additional modules as required. This could even allow the possibility of having two alternative modules for much the same purpose. Les. __ This email has been scanned by Netintelligence http://www.netintelligence.com/email -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Better defaults
There are discussions on this list about UI redesign. Even if this is a good goal on the mid/long term, there are lots of things that can be done *immediately* to build a better user experience: change default toolbars and buttons. For example, LibO have enabled by default the nice "Find" toolbar, but the "Search and replace" button remained on the old location that WAS right when this new toolbar did not exist: I think it would be better to hide that button from where it is now and show it on the new toolbar. Another example: do you know anyone that use the "send by email" button? Most possible receivers nowadays still use msoffice so using that button have the only effect that new users come to forums asking why the people to whom they sent the file is not able to open it. I think it is better to completely hide that button. Complex layout language support is disabled by default, but we have a "right to left" button on the toolbar. Contextual toolbars is a nice feature, but many people hate it because these toolbars appears in front of their documents, floating on non useful positions. The first thing I always do when installing a new OOo/LibO version is to anchor those toolbars to the botom of the window. ... And a long etcetera. What do you think? -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Vector/Raster Graphics Editing (was: UI proposal)
On Sun, 2010-10-24 at 14:01 +0200, RGB ES wrote: > Koffice do both, raster (with krita) and vector (with karbon14) > editing. And they have a great concept called "flakes" that gives you > the ability to call any koffice component inside any koffice app. For > instance, you can have vector layers con krita, or bitmap layers on > karbon... or kword layers on both. > But build something like that is a HUGE work: they started several > years ago with the "port" (it is more a rewrite from scratch) to qt4 > and the work is still far from being complete. > Even if editing any kind of graphics is a "nice to have" feature, I > think LibO need to build a solid base first. There are already good > open source apps to do the job so integrating with those apps > (properly embed/display/export-to-pdf of svg/eps files, for example) > will pay more than going for "the one office suite to rule them all". > We need to make what we have rock solid before going for more. The big > risk of adding every possible feature is to end with something like > this: > http://www.inventosabsurdos.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/trinacria-cutlery.jpg > pretty, but useless. > Just my 2 ¢ I agree with this in principle. Really the long term aim should be to get LibO to run in a cell phone on cell phone technology. If we don't we could be chasing a subset of a smaller and diminishing market. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Vector/Raster Graphics Editing (was: UI proposal)
Koffice do both, raster (with krita) and vector (with karbon14) editing. And they have a great concept called "flakes" that gives you the ability to call any koffice component inside any koffice app. For instance, you can have vector layers con krita, or bitmap layers on karbon... or kword layers on both. But build something like that is a HUGE work: they started several years ago with the "port" (it is more a rewrite from scratch) to qt4 and the work is still far from being complete. Even if editing any kind of graphics is a "nice to have" feature, I think LibO need to build a solid base first. There are already good open source apps to do the job so integrating with those apps (properly embed/display/export-to-pdf of svg/eps files, for example) will pay more than going for "the one office suite to rule them all". We need to make what we have rock solid before going for more. The big risk of adding every possible feature is to end with something like this: http://www.inventosabsurdos.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/trinacria-cutlery.jpg pretty, but useless. Just my 2 ¢ -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal
On Sun, 2010-10-24 at 14:14 +0800, David Nelson wrote: > 1) Would it be technically easy/feasible to integrate it into LibO? > That would be the first question to evaluate... Probably not simple but also probably not impossible. > 2) Will most Draw users want to take onboard the added concepts and > complexities of layers, paths etc, and all those filters and > extensions? Just ignore them. I haven't used most of the filters and extensions, but if I need to I can. I use Inkscape for stuff I could mostly do in Draw, but I find it easier to use and it's fully svg. We should push for open standards where they exist as a high priority. > I guess that problem could be solved with a combined theming and menu > configuration capability, so that you can have a fully customizable > UI. Then you could have LibO with UIs and functionality sets designed > for different audiences... > > David Nelson > -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Vector/Raster Graphics Editing (was: UI proposal)
Hi Ivan, you wrote: > Good question. Can anyone chime in regarding the storage of raster > graphics in the SVG format (i.e., how efficient is it?) > It being xml, you either embed them via some base64-encoding (gets large easily), or just reference them (ends up in having more than one file to send around). Cheers, -- Thorsten -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] About Issues
Hi Gérard, 2010/10/24 Gérard Fargeot : > Hi, > > I have a question about former issues inherited from OpenOffice.org. > > Should we have to open an bug file on freedesktop or Devs works also on > former bugs ? No need to fill it again, devs will also work former bugs, or we can check that former bugs are also corrected by their work. We have open a special page on the wiki for that : http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/FixedIZ Only if you see some differences in LibO, please file a bug on freedsktop and indicate also the former OOo bug. Thank you for your help! Kind regards Sophie -- Founding member of The Document Foundation -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] About Issues
Hi, I have a question about former issues inherited from OpenOffice.org. Should we have to open an bug file on freedesktop or Devs works also on former bugs ? Gérard -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] Meeting Minutes 2010-10-20 Available
Hello, thank you for the minutes. Two remarks: - Community Structure, Legal Entities André, let me know if you want me to translate the material discussed in Leipzig. Info for the Team: For the swiss association, there is a membership model proposed. In particular, we distinguish between members and workers. there is also a suggestion how to handle legal entities - Website/CMS people involved might want to have a look at the Drupal/CiviCRM combination # civicrm is well suited to manage memberships (including payments), contacts, etc # drupal is one leading cms, ideal for community plumbing and with a variety of extensions Regards, Dani *** Am 21.10.2010 23:18, schrieb Christoph Noack: Hi everyone, the most recent Steering Committee meeting minutes are available: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Steering_Committee_Meetings#Minutes_2010-10-20 Agenda 2010-10-20: * Update on: get discussion about community structure started (how to define members?) * Website: should we open a "LibreOffice" website having more product-focus as soon as cms is available * do we want to have developer / user sites seperated or joint as at OOo? * discuss results of the talk between Cor and Martin and consequences for OOo Council members. See OOo council minutes, item 2010-10-14#1 Enjoy ;-) Regards, Christoph -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal
Can you change the color pallete? It's getting old and difficult to use. Can you make the list into a panel that I can use (Just like GoogleDocs' color palette and MSO's color palette). -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
