Re: [tdf-discuss] Computer Magazine cover CDs

2011-02-09 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
I have the perfect magazine that might be willing to put LO as part of 
their CD on their magazine. it is linuxformat.co.uk is their website :)


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Foundation Fundraising

2011-02-09 Thread Jonathan Aquilina

Yes they do Zaphod.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Foundation Fundraising

2011-02-09 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Florian what i meant was what process would TDF need to take to get 
funding as an NGO


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Computer Magazine cover CDs

2011-02-09 Thread M Henri Day
2011/2/9 Alexander Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com

 Le 09/02/11 09:38, Jonathan Aquilina a écrit :

 Hi Jonathan,

  I have the perfect magazine that might be willing to put LO as part of
  their CD on their magazine. it is linuxformat.co.uk is their website :)
 

 I thought (and I may be completely wrong here) they'd already done a
 review when 3.3.0 final was released, and kind of said something akin to
 Yes, hmm, good, but not good enough


 Alex


Did a search for LibreOffice on the *Linux Format* website, but with no
results

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Thai community would like to have local mailing list

2011-02-09 Thread Samphan Raruenrom
That would be me.

Thanks,
Samphan.

On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 5:30 PM, Florian Effenberger 
flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote:

 Hello Samphan,

 Samphan Raruenrom wrote on 2011-02-09 10.24:

  I plan to start using*disc...@th.libreoffice.org*  for collaboration
 between
 local Thai developers and testers.
 Can anyone set it up for us, please?


 of course. Who should be moderator of the list? You? Anyone else?

 Florian

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Computer Magazine cover CDs

2011-02-09 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Henri they are always looking for people to write articles. Its quite a 
user contributed magazine. they also release Cd's with them. would be 
interesting to get Libreoffice on one of their Cd's


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Suppression of Blank Lines in Addresses in Labels and Envelopes from Data Base

2011-02-09 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2011-02-09 6:12 AM, Alexander Thurgood wrote:
 As to your bug correction request, you would be better off filing a bug
 report at freedesktop.org, which is where TDF has decided that all such
 reports should be filed, or even better still with Oracle.

And/or the Openoffice bug tracker (shudder)...

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Computer Magazine cover CDs

2011-02-09 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Alex I still feel someone like one of the devs should write an article 
for this magazine, it will be good publicity, and maybe by 3.4 we can 
work on getting it on their CD.


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Computer Magazine cover CDs

2011-02-09 Thread Gordon Burgess-Parker
On Wed, 2011-02-09 at 12:14 +0100, Alexander Thurgood wrote:

 
 I thought (and I may be completely wrong here) they'd already done a
 review when 3.3.0 final was released, and kind of said something akin to
 Yes, hmm, good, but not good enough
 

It's Open Office 3.3 on their latest issue - 10 reasons why it's not
quite ready for the big time...


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Computer Magazine cover CDs

2011-02-09 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
is LO ready for the big time that is the question now. that would be 
quite an interesting article to do a comparison between the 2 office suites.


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Computer Magazine cover CDs

2011-02-09 Thread Italo Vignoli

On 2/8/11 8:20 PM, Zaphod Feeblejocks wrote:

Here's one for you marketing gurus - has anyone approached computer magazines 
about
putting LibO on cover disks?


Sorry, no gurus here, just volunteers. Yes, covermount CDs are one of 
the topics we will cover with the press in the next few weeks, but it 
will take some time to get there on a stable way.


In some geographies, LibreOffice is already inside covermount CDs.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Computer Magazine cover CDs

2011-02-09 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Italo whats your take on writing an article for the magazine i mentioned 
in an earlier post?


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Computer Magazine cover CDs

2011-02-09 Thread Italo Vignoli

On 2/9/11 2:16 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:

Italo whats your take on writing an article for the magazine i mentioned
in an earlier post?


Articles are always welcome, but they should be agreed beforehand by the 
editorial team of the magazine or the web site. I don't think, though, 
that developers have the time to write articles now.


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Computer Magazine cover CDs

2011-02-09 Thread Jonathan Aquilina

On 02/09/2011 02:28 PM, Italo Vignoli wrote:

On 2/9/11 2:16 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:

Italo whats your take on writing an article for the magazine i mentioned
in an earlier post?


Articles are always welcome, but they should be agreed beforehand by 
the editorial team of the magazine or the web site. I don't think, 
though, that developers have the time to write articles now.


Thing is they accept user based articles. im willing to do it once i get 
some questions put together.


http://www.linuxformat.com/contact -- there is where you can see they 
accept user contributed articles.


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Suppression of Blank Lines in Addresses in Labels and Envelopes from Data Base

2011-02-09 Thread Alan Reeve

On 09/02/2011 12:05, Charles Marcus wrote:

On 2011-02-09 6:12 AM, Alexander Thurgood wrote:

As to your bug correction request, you would be better off filing a bug
report at freedesktop.org, which is where TDF has decided that all such
reports should be filed, or even better still with Oracle.

And/or the Openoffice bug tracker (shudder)...

Thank you for your suggestion.  I requested OOo to improve this about 18 
months ago and guess what


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Suppression of Blank Lines in Addresses in Labels and Envelopes from Data Base

2011-02-09 Thread Alan Reeve

On 09/02/2011 11:12, Alexander Thurgood wrote:

Le 09/02/11 11:49, Alan Reeve a écrit :

Hi Alan,


As there has been no response, can I ask if I have put my request into
the wrong forum or are there too many other organisational problems
being addressed presently?


I would say, Yes and Yes to both those questions, whilst qualifying
the second as too many other bugs to hunt down and sort out which are
not related to Base.

The Base module has, as far as I know, and I would gladly stand
corrected, no specifically assigned experienced developer / programmer
which knows the Base module well enough to deal with these problems. Add
to that the fact that many of the current bugs are actually present in
OOo 3.3.0, i.e. introduced by the OOo development team, then it is
likely considered a waste of resources for the LibO team to deal with
something that may, possibly, get handled by Oracle.

As to your bug correction request, you would be better off filing a bug
report at freedesktop.org, which is where TDF has decided that all such
reports should be filed, or even better still with Oracle.


Alex



Hi Alex

Thanks for your response.  So far as I can see, the problem does not lie 
in Base but within the Text Document (Writer) modules.  The address line 
suppression should form part of the Print from Base  window in Text 
Document after you have inserted fields from your database.  The Writer 
program responds  with the wording Your document contains database 
address fields. do you want to print a form letter?  When you respond 
Yes, then a further box comes up with the database selected and just 
asks you to confirm whether you wish to send the files to Printer or 
File.


I have hesitated to show this as a bug, because the program is not 
wrong, it just does not do enough.  Is that a bug?


Alan







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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Computer Magazine cover CDs

2011-02-09 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Alex there is an article regarding the 20 things about OOo which could 
be improved if someone has a subscription to linuxformat.co.uk they 
could download the pd of the article. it would be a great one to follow 
and make improvements on their suggestions.


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[tdf-discuss] Re: Computer Magazine cover CDs

2011-02-09 Thread Marc Paré

Le 2011-02-09 09:56, Alexander Thurgood a écrit :

Le 09/02/11 13:07, M Henri Day a écrit :

Hi Henri,



Jonathon, not living in the UK, I'm not so familiar with this mag, but I
certainly agree it would be interesting for LibreOffice to be included on
one of their CDs. I was merely disappointed that I couldn't find the review
to which Alex alluded above and hoped that some kind soul could point me in
the right direction. I'm particularly interested in reviews highlighting the
distinction (from a user's standpoint) between OOo and LibreOffice



I may have got that mixed up with Linux Format (UK), one of the other UK
Linux mags released an article shortly before / after release of LibO
final. I'm actually subscribed to Linux Format (UK) although living in
France, and I find it quite good, much as I like Linux User too, when I
can get my hands on it. Given a choice, however, I still prefer the
German linux magazines, on the whole very well written articles.

Alex




LinuxFormat is also available here in Canada at some bookstores and 
specialty computer stores. I have always liked their articles. LinuxUser 
is also great a great read. We only get the English version of course. 
Not sure if there is a French version sold in Québec (Canada).


Cheers

Marc


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[tdf-discuss] LibreOffice in the Press (wiki page)

2011-02-09 Thread Marc Paré
There is now a wiki page tracking LibreOffice in the press for marketing 
purposes and for your interest.[1] If you happen to read an article on 
LibreOffice in a magazine/blog we would be most grateful if you could 
mention it on this thread. Whether positive or negative in tone does not 
matter. Any language (magazine/blog) as well.


Tom Davies and I will take care of updating the international site. If 
you are interested in maintaining any particular NL LibreOffice in the 
Press wiki page, feel free to jump in. We should try to promote 
LibreOffice with all related magazines and blogs to create more buzz 
about our project and product.


If you are interested in maintaining any NL page, just announce it 
somewhere on this thread so that we are aware of your participation.


Even if you are not interested in maintaining one of the NL wiki pages, 
feel free to drop by to read up on what people are saying about our 
great office suite.


Cheers

Marc

[1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice_In_The_Press

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Computer Magazine cover CDs

2011-02-09 Thread Benjamin Horst
All we need is a summary of what the magazine feels are the biggest 20 issues. 
If you find the article, just share that info, and we should be good to go.

-Ben

On Feb 9, 2011, at 11:53 AM, Alexander Thurgood wrote:

 Le 09/02/11 16:31, Jonathan Aquilina a écrit :
 Alex there is an article regarding the 20 things about OOo which could
 be improved if someone has a subscription to linuxformat.co.uk they
 could download the pd of the article. it would be a great one to follow
 and make improvements on their suggestions.
 
 
 Ooh, well I'll have to try and dig out my subscription details then :-))
 I seem to recall however, that the PDF files of their articles are
 strictly not for redistribution.
 
 
 Alex
 
 
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[tdf-discuss] Re: Re: Suppression of Blank Lines in Addresses inLabels and Envelopes from Data Base

2011-02-09 Thread Harold Fuchs


Alan Reeve tec...@reeve36.plus.com wrote in message 
news:4d52a8ef.7030...@reeve36.plus.com...

On 09/02/2011 11:12, Alexander Thurgood wrote:

Le 09/02/11 11:49, Alan Reeve a écrit :

Hi Alan,


As there has been no response, can I ask if I have put my request into
the wrong forum or are there too many other organisational problems
being addressed presently?


I would say, Yes and Yes to both those questions, whilst qualifying
the second as too many other bugs to hunt down and sort out which are
not related to Base.

The Base module has, as far as I know, and I would gladly stand
corrected, no specifically assigned experienced developer / programmer
which knows the Base module well enough to deal with these problems. Add
to that the fact that many of the current bugs are actually present in
OOo 3.3.0, i.e. introduced by the OOo development team, then it is
likely considered a waste of resources for the LibO team to deal with
something that may, possibly, get handled by Oracle.

As to your bug correction request, you would be better off filing a bug
report at freedesktop.org, which is where TDF has decided that all such
reports should be filed, or even better still with Oracle.


Alex



Hi Alex

Thanks for your response.  So far as I can see, the problem does not lie in 
Base but within the Text Document (Writer) modules.  The address line 
suppression should form part of the Print from Base  window in Text 
Document after you have inserted fields from your database.  The Writer 
program responds  with the wording Your document contains database address 
fields. do you want to print a form letter?  When you respond Yes, then 
a further box comes up with the database selected and just asks you to 
confirm whether you wish to send the files to Printer or File.


I have hesitated to show this as a bug, because the program is not wrong, 
it just does not do enough.  Is that a bug?


Alan



It's not a bug in the software, it's a bug in the *design* of the software.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Computer Magazine cover CDs

2011-02-09 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
im not saying redistribute it. i would put together a summary of the 20 
things we could get an edge against OOo on. the summary basically  says 
that things are slowly improving, with it we can take those things that 
are slowly improving on OOo and improve them much quicker then OOo. what 
this would mean we would have more people switch to using LO.


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Foundation Fundraising

2011-02-09 Thread toki
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On 02/08/2011 04:36 PM, BRM wrote:

 Why resort to deception and Microsoft-esque tactics to promote LO?

FWIW, it isn't uncommon for 501(c)3 organizations to have a for-profit
organization operating at an arm's length. Microsoft-esque only if you
think that a 501(c)(3) organization should pay corporate income tax on
all the revenue it generates.

Depending upon how much revenue is generated from sources other than
grants and donations, for the US at least, serious consideration needs
to be given to establishing a for-profit that operates at an arm's length.


jonathon
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If Bing did not copy Google, there wouldn't be anything relevant worth
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[tdf-discuss] Re: Computer Magazine cover CDs

2011-02-09 Thread Alexander Thurgood
Le 09/02/11 19:20, Jonathan Aquilina a écrit :

 im not saying redistribute it. i would put together a summary of the 20
 things we could get an edge against OOo on. the summary basically  says
 that things are slowly improving, with it we can take those things that
 are slowly improving on OOo and improve them much quicker then OOo. what
 this would mean we would have more people switch to using LO.
 

I will take a look and report back.

Alex


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Thai community would like to have local mailing list

2011-02-09 Thread Florian Effenberger

Hi Samphan,

Samphan Raruenrom wrote on 2011-02-09 12.49:

That would be me.


the list is set-up now: 
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Local_Mailing_Lists#Thai


Thanks,
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Suppression of Blank Lines in Addresses in Labels and Envelopes from Data Base

2011-02-09 Thread Robert Derman

Alan Reeve wrote:

On 09/02/2011 12:05, Charles Marcus wrote:

On 2011-02-09 6:12 AM, Alexander Thurgood wrote:

As to your bug correction request, you would be better off filing a bug
report at freedesktop.org, which is where TDF has decided that all such
reports should be filed, or even better still with Oracle.

And/or the Openoffice bug tracker (shudder)...

Thank you for your suggestion.  I requested OOo to improve this about 
18 months ago and guess what


Alan
As I have come to understand it, this is one of the most important 
reasons for the OOo/LO fork.  Corporate management is who decides which 
bugs get exterminated, and which are ignored with corporate supported 
OOo.  With LO, it becomes more of a case of if a volunteer 
developer/programmer gets annoyed by a bug, or enough users complain 
about it, it gets fixed. 



I myself only use Writer, if I get time I might use Base to make a 
database of my DVD movie collection, but I am not likely to use any of 
the other modules.  As a very heavy user of Writer, I make extensive use 
of word completion, but I have known for years that this feature could 
be much better with a few small changes like, a few choices in its 
control menu, like have a PERMANENT dictionary where gather words could 
be turned off, and the program would use a permanent dictionary, or a 
change where strings containing all caps, punctuation marks other than ' 
apostrophe (in English) or numerals would never be added to the 
completion dictionary.  I have seen several improvements to this feature 
over the years, but never really important ones. 



One really BIG improvement that needs to be made is so that upgrades 
consist of patches rather than complete replacement of the program.  
This would be a HUGE improvement for all those people who do not have 
access to high-speed internet connections.  It is because of the extreme 
inconvenience of such upgrading methods that I choose to only upgrade 
for MAJOR upgrades like when LO 4.0 comes out.  I just don't think it is 
worth all the trouble for incremental upgrades like from 3.2 to 3.3.


Note:  I know that the use of all caps is considered bad form, but I 
find that many email systems can't properly handle boldface.


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Computer Magazine cover CDs

2011-02-09 Thread Robert Derman

Alexander Thurgood wrote:

Le 09/02/11 16:31, Jonathan Aquilina a écrit :
  

Alex there is an article regarding the 20 things about OOo which could
be improved if someone has a subscription to linuxformat.co.uk they
could download the pd of the article. it would be a great one to follow
and make improvements on their suggestions.




Ooh, well I'll have to try and dig out my subscription details then :-))
I seem to recall however, that the PDF files of their articles are
strictly not for redistribution.


Alex
  
If nothing else, it would be good to paraphrase the 20 things and list 
them here on this list.


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[tdf-discuss] any news on Italian list?

2011-02-09 Thread yahoo-pier_andreit
as sub

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Foundation Fundraising

2011-02-09 Thread BRM
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 From: toki toki.kant...@gmail.com
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 On 02/08/2011 04:36 PM,  BRM wrote:
  Why resort to deception and Microsoft-esque tactics to  promote LO?
 
 FWIW, it isn't uncommon for 501(c)3 organizations to have a  for-profit
 organization operating at an arm's length. Microsoft-esque only  if you
 think that a 501(c)(3) organization should pay corporate income tax  on
 all the revenue it generates.
 
 Depending upon how much revenue is  generated from sources other than
 grants and donations, for the US at least,  serious consideration needs
 to be given to establishing a for-profit that  operates at an arm's length.
 

If you make the connection between the two organization extremely clear, then 
there is no issue.
The deception comes when one organization tries to use the other to say/do 
something while both are trying to pretend the two are not related.
That is what I am referring to.

Ben


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