Re: [steering-discuss] Reducing donation ads
Hello, Andrea Pescetti wrote on 2011-03-25 23.59: Thanks khirano for your reconstruction efforts and your frequent updates from Japan. For those who haven't followed, khirano asked the OpenOffice.org community (for the broadest possible meaning of this term, I'd say) for help; donations are being collected using the existing channels, see http://openoffice.org/projects/qa/lists/dev/archive/2011-03/message/39 and the first donations have already been sent him. we had a hard time thinking of what is right - but we received lots of feedback from Japan, also from people who were directly affected, and most of them told us that TDF should follow its mission. What I will do today, is to privately tweet some information from friends in Japan, to raise awareness and make people donate. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Confused by our Trademark Policy ...
Hi Charles, Charles-H. Schulz wrote on 2011-03-23 18.04: Voilà. SC members, feel free to vote again, or shout (but for the very last time). thanks a lot for managing this, and for your patience. +1 to the policy. Just one small thing: Legally, marks do currently *not* belong to TDF, as TDF does not exist. They legally belong to OOoDeV, but I would waive the necessity to mention that until either OOoDeV has renamed itself (the annual meeting will decide on that in April), or TDF legally exists. Another mark: Maybe we should add a version and/or a date to the TM policy, so we know which version people refer to. Like TM policy as of 2011-03-29 And then a note: Google has locked our two marks for use in advertising, so I hope this will limit the amount of fraudulent sites. Anyone seeking permission to use these marks in advertising can also contact the legal@ alias and we can decide on exceptions. I want things to be as easy as possible. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] How to pronounce the name (again, sorry)
2011/3/29 Prabath Galagamage gprab...@gmail.com I think Friedrich Strohmaier's comments is correct. In the native languages can not write the name of LibreOffice by English letters. It is one of reason for lack of development of native languages. One or more official pronunciation suggestions are there, it is better for our local activities and it is helpful for make a unique name to LibreOffice around the world. Prabath, please note that the letters in question were devised and used for centuries before anything that could be called the English language existed and, in different variations, are used at present to represent the sounds of many languages other than English. The alphabet comprising these is best known as the Latin or Roman alphabet Henri On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 5:24 AM, Friedrich Strohmaier damokles4-lis...@bits-fritz.de wrote: Hi sophie, *, sophie schrieb: On 28/03/2011 17:32, Jon Hamkins wrote: In the U.S., it is also unclear how to pronounce LibreOffice. Those of us showing up to man the booth at SCaLE came with slightly different assumptions on pronunciation. Do we need an official position from TDF, perhaps a localized one, or is it OK for everyone to say it how they want? Pronounce it as you feel it, it's the best for an open source project :) Sorry, I strongly disagree. Which I disagree is to leave people alone while asking for help. You are in the position of not having any issues pronouncing, because You were one of the minds choosing the name, which of course fits the people doing so. There is nothing wrong with that. But we should not let people beeing on their own, facing those issues for two reasons: - we never should leave alone anyone searching help - I'd think it's a nice thing to understand each other when we meet live at any place and speak of the subject of our hearts :o)). This is no proposal for a single official pronunciation written in stone, but rather one for an agreement for better understanding. Gruß/regards -- Friedrich Libreoffice-Box http://libreofficebox.org/ LibreOffice and more on CD/DVD images -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Prabath Galagamage http://textlk.blogspot.com/ http://agniezine.wordpress.com/ http://www.ejsa.info -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- *老朽 頓首 M Henri Day, PhD, MD Stadshagsvägen 22, 5tr S-112 50 Stockholm SUÈDE Tel : +46 8 6183098 Email : mhenri...@gmail.com Skype/Google Talk : mhenriday http://mhenriday.googlepages.com http://mhenriday.blogspot.com/ http://www.stumbleupon.com/stumbler/mhenriday/* -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] How to pronounce the name (again, sorry)
I saw users having problem pronouncing the software name LibreOffice in Thailand. ... I wrote this last week, but I think it was lost somewhere and never made it to the list: I'm French speaking, and would refer you to these: http://fr.thefreedictionary.com/libre http://en.thefreedictionary.com/office (US flag) The problem I find with these sound files is that they should be slowed down. According to Le Robert (physical dictionary), it is libʀ(ə) Therefore, the phonetic translitteration of the 1st word is libʀ, because the last e is not pronounced as ə, but is muted as the second word is linked to it. The Office part comes from here: http://www.oxfordadvancedlearnersdictionary.com/dictionary/office The complete name should be something like : libʀˈɒfɪsor libʀˈɔːfɪs but I would really like an English-speaking person to correct the Office part. -- Michel Gagnon – mic...@mgagnon.net mailto:mic...@mgagnon.net Montréal (Québec, Canada) – mgagnon.net http://mgagnon.net -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] Get and appove: recommended Soundfile pronouncing LibreOffice
Hi all, there were several requests regarding the correct pronunciation of LibreOffice. The name LibreOffice was choosen by minds mainly from roman/german language area and of course there are no relevant pronunciation issues for those. But there are sometimes heavy ones for minds of other language areas. Some people - mainly from the first category - propose to pronounce deliberately not aware there are severe problems to even catch the idea how to do so. So I start this thread in the hope to get a situation satisfying a wide range of community members. ;o)) My proposal: lets collect proposals for soundfiles pronouncing LibreOffice and have a simple voting for the one we point to, if people ask. This can be Files created by community members or some found in the internet. The first may be preferable due to license issues. This one I estimate quite close on how it appears to the minds of the founders (Don't mind orthography or braindead translation): http://translate.google.com/#de|de|LiebreOffice more proposals? comments? Gruß/regards -- Friedrich Libreoffice-Box http://libreofficebox.org/ LibreOffice and more on CD/DVD images -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: EasyHack on EasyHacks
Bjoern Michaelsen bjoern.michael...@canonical.com writes: Our EasyHacks page here: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Easy_Hacks is quite a mess by now as we have so many of them. Also I dont think it is very inviting to newcomers. An really important EasyHack -- that does not even require elite programming skills would be to split that page into multiple topics, so that contributors can find something for their skillset. A possible splitup would be: - Infrastructure (skills: bug trackers, mailinglists, web stuff) - build system (skills: perl, scripting, building) - testing (skill: build, tools like valgrind) - code cleanup (skills: beginners C++) - UI improvements (skills: C++) Any volunteers? I made an attempt to split it under my user pages, http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Njsg/EasyHacksIndex It is based on the Easy Hacks page as of 2011-03-29T13:52:51 (http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/index.php?title=Development/Easy_Hacksoldid=18812). It needs some cleanup (empty lines and empty sections), which I'll now do. I should also change heading levels so that the root ones are the top level, but for now I didn't change that, to keep the text blocks unchanged. Although it lists these skill sets you pointed out, some tasks (maybe most of them?) require other skills -- I tried to group tasks based on what each list is about, but there's probably some room for improvement. I hope this is helpful. -- Nuno J. Silva (aka njsg) gopher://sdf-eu.org/1/users/njsg -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: How to pronounce the name (again, sorry)
Obviously, all francophone users will pronounce LibreOffice one way... according to the pronunciation conventions of their language. The rest of the world, unless they have been exposed to French by learning it as a second language, will have no idea. Before a recommended pronunciation is posted on a web page, agreement on a particular one would have to be reached first. Almost certainly, it won't be the francophone pronunciation (which is too alien for people who have not had any practice speaking French). Then, the paradoxical situation could arise that a trademark which is clearly French in orthography could have a non-French recommended pronunciation. The French are not going to like that, no sir -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/How-to-pronounce-the-name-again-sorry-tp2738293p2748773.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: How to pronounce the name (again, sorry)
On 03/29/2011 03:12 PM, skrifaði aqualung:
Obviously, all francophone users will pronounce LibreOffice one way...
according to the pronunciation conventions of their language.
The rest of the world, unless they have been exposed to French by learning
it as a second language, will have no idea.
Before a recommended pronunciation is posted on a web page, agreement on a
particular one would have to be reached first.
Almost certainly, it won't be the francophone pronunciation (which is too
alien for people who have not had any practice speaking French). Then, the
paradoxical situation could arise that a trademark which is clearly French
in orthography could have a non-French recommended pronunciation.
The French are not going to like that, no sir
Well, 'Libre' is also spanish - but with quite different
pronounciation ('b' approaches 'v').
'Libre' is also italian - but then it means a book, I think.
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/libre
Regards,
Sveinn í Felli
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[tdf-discuss] Re: EasyHack on EasyHacks
Hi Nuno, On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 19:43:27 +0100 nunojsi...@ist.utl.pt (Nuno J. Silva) wrote: Bjoern Michaelsen bjoern.michael...@canonical.com writes: Our EasyHacks page here: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Easy_Hacks is quite a mess by now as we have so many of them. [...] Any volunteers? I made an attempt to split it under my user pages, http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Njsg/EasyHacksIndex Looking great IMHO! It is based on the Easy Hacks page as of 2011-03-29T13:52:51 (http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/index.php?title=Development/Easy_Hacksoldid=18812). It needs some cleanup (empty lines and empty sections), which I'll now do. I should also change heading levels so that the root ones are the top level, but for now I didn't change that, to keep the text blocks unchanged. Although it lists these skill sets you pointed out, some tasks (maybe most of them?) require other skills -- I tried to group tasks based on what each list is about, but there's probably some room for improvement. Sure, that was just a very rough proposal. Improvements are much appreciated. I hope this is helpful. It is. Anyone vetoing Nunos great work? Opinions? (I am hoping for a lot of +1s here for your effort.) Best Regards, Bjoern -- https://launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: EasyHack on EasyHacks
On Tue, 2011-03-29 at 22:51 +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: Hi Nuno, First - great work :-) and good to have you helping out here Nuno. Second - this is a page of incredible importance to developers, and as such - any changes to it need to be discussed and decided on the developer list. Thirdly - I'd like to see it changed only after more thought, and I am out tomorrow so can't be involved in that. I made an attempt to split it under my user pages, http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Njsg/EasyHacksIndex Looking great IMHO! Personally I dislike pages that fragment and hide the information I'm looking for behind some high-latency switch-tab / middle-click / re-load-page stuff. They also tend to make it much harder to search within that category quickly (ctrl-F style), now I have to do ctrl-F/alt-N/switch-tab/ctrl-F/alt-N/alt-N/switch-tab/ctrl-F etc. etc. I agree the information is not as cleanly structured as it could be; and that perhaps a separate index to the same data might be good (though it might also have maintenance problems). Possibly just re-structuring that page would help. It is. Anyone vetoing Nunos great work? Opinions? (I am hoping for a lot of +1s here for your effort.) IMHO the discuss list is the wrong venue for any number of +1s when it comes to developer focused marketing / infrastructure. I'm also fairly convinced that at a first approximation sorting by easy-ness is what people most want when they hit that thing; rather than by more vague categories. Then again - if we have -enough- tasks in each of the categories perhaps it could be made to fly, but ... needs thought. I'd also like to hear from some of our new developers that liked that page - again, on the dev list. HTH, Michael. -- michael.me...@novell.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: How to pronounce the name (again, sorry)
On 3/29/11 10:10 PM, Sveinn í Felli wrote:
Well, 'Libre' is also spanish - but with quite different pronounciation
('b' approaches 'v').
'Libre' is also italian - but then it means a book, I think.
Book in Italian is libro.
Anyway, I think that the English pronunciation of libre (as in FLOSS,
free libre open source software) - although slightly different from the
French and the Spanish pronunciation - is to be considered the reference
for every language.
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Re: [Libreoffice] [tdf-discuss] Re: EasyHack on EasyHacks
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Michael Meeks michael.me...@novell.com wrote: I'd also like to hear from some of our new developers that liked that page - again, on the dev list. The easy hack page has hugely grown since I started. I guess that is a good thing, but in my opinion it's current form is not very practical nor inviting. I think that grouping easy-hack by 'nature' and then by difficulty do make sense. Difficulty is a very subjective measure, and something that is a 'easy gui hack' for someone may be a daunting task for someone else... when I was parsing this list I would first look at the title, then the skill required and _then_ the degree of difficulty announced - mostly to verify my first impression based on the previous 2 items. So, I do like the 'nature' oriented classification proposed, but maybe we could keep a one line overview of each task with a link for a dedicated page per task That way, a given task can be expended with as much information as needed without flooding the main page, including volunteer's progress report, declaration of intent and/or questions/answer section to clarify the task if need be. That way the main page still give a global overview of all easy-hack, but become much more readable... If the task are limited, on the main page to a one-liner, then the ToC doesn't have to be 3 pages long Norbert -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
