Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mailing List FAQ

[Bernhard Dippold]

Hi NoOp, *

NoOp schrieb:

[...] that page is on
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Local_Mailing_Lists/ so even if
translated and cleaned up wouldn't suffice.

The place for such a FAQ should be on
http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/ and apply to all
locales. Suggestions:


[Technical guidelines - in particular]
http://www.openoffice.org/ml_guidelines.html


Friedrich Strohmaier already asked for someone to translate the German 
wiki page on netiquette (now part of the German mailing list wiki page) 
to English in order to link from every mail to the list:



Unfortunately he didn't get any positive reply...


[...]
That said, here is a question; how can a common user be expected to
possibly find http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Local_Mailing_Lists/ to
begin with? I see no link on
http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/ do you?


It takes two clicks on links in the first two lines of the webpages:
1. Click on "Local/Regional" in the first line of the page.
2. Click on "refer to the local and regional mailing lists table on our 
wiki" in the second line of the page.


With a larger screen you might read this line already at the bottom of 
your visible screen, so you could reach the wiki page already with one 
click.


But in general you're right: An average user will hardly read the text 
and might miss the link.


Would you please send a better proposal to the website list?

Or if you could put your proposal in the SilverStripe CMS (request for 
write access on the website list) and let it approve by a SilverStripe 
admin, it's integration would take even less time.


Best regards

Bernhard

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Comparison of LO and OO downloads for a non-English language

[Andrea Pescetti]

M Henri Day wrote:
> 2011/5/28 Stefan Weigel 
> > As far as I know, it´s an issue of data volume on the download servers.
> Which, no doubt, is an question of money.

Actually it is just a choice: it does lower the barrier for someone to
host a mirror, but the size and upload time are comparable; the ratio
between the space needed to host LibreOffice and OpenOffice.org is not
an order of magnitude but something like 1/5 or 1/6, especially now that
LibreOffice partially dropped support for several dozens of languages
(that were actually untranslated).

You should also consider that the help pack is kind of optional in
LibreOffice, since LibreOffice relies on online (i.e., on a website)
help as its primary help system.

Regards,
  Andrea.


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Comparison of LO and OO downloads for a non-English language

[Friedrich Strohmaier]

Hi Henri, *,

M Henri Day schrieb:
> 2011/5/28 Stefan Weigel 
>> Am 28.05.2011 19:44, schrieb M Henri Day:

>>> If the respective helppacks and langpacks can be included in stable
>>> versions of OO for non-English languages, I fail to understand why
>>> the same thing cannot be done for LO versions.  But perhaps I am
>>> missing something here ?...

>> As far as I know, it´s an issue of data volume on the download
>> servers.

>> Stefan

> Which, no doubt, is an question of money.

If I got it right it's more a matter of time. The builds are created on
the developers machines and then uploaded for distribution. As well
building all that packages containing the base package again and again
and further upload them, slow down the release process heavily. 

> Thanks, Stefan, that
> explains it. Sometimes liberty is not that easy to seize !...

On our DVD-Image we have modified the procedure for deb installation
(DVD is repo) and as well the windows installation. Maybe this is the
way to go. Would You like to setup a swedish DVD-Image?
The environment is prepaired and as well a german version You could copy
and translate ;o))


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Re: [tdf-discuss] RC2 - no 3.4.0.x tag in help -> about libreoffice

[Friedrich Strohmaier]

Hi Andras, *,

thanks for Your answer.

Andras Timar schrieb:

> 2011/5/28 Friedrich Strohmaier :



>> LibO 3.4.0RC2 shows:
>> LibreOffice 3.4.0
>> OOO340m1 (Build:12)
[.. "tag libreoffice-3.4.0.2" missing ..]

>> which makes it more hard for the support people to define the
>> environment while giving advice or hunting bugs.

> Build:12 identifies rc2

Is there a table or other info point showing the relation
Build:12 <=> libreoffice-3.4.0.2?

;o))

Is that missing tag a regression or is it skipped intentionally for some
reason?

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Comparison of LO and OO downloads for a non-English language

[M Henri Day]

2011/5/28 Stefan Weigel 

> Hi,
>
> Am 28.05.2011 19:44, schrieb M Henri Day:
>
> > If the respective helppacks and langpacks
> > can be included in stable versions of OO for non-English languages, I
> fail
> > to understand why the same thing cannot be done for LO versions. But
> perhaps
> > I am missing something here ?...
>
> As far as I know, it´s an issue of data volume on the download servers.
>
> Stefan
>
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>

Which, no doubt, is an question of money. Thanks, Stefan, that explains it.
Sometimes liberty is not that easy to seize !...

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Comparison of LO and OO downloads for a non-English language

[Stefan Weigel]

Hi,

Am 28.05.2011 19:44, schrieb M Henri Day:

> If the respective helppacks and langpacks
> can be included in stable versions of OO for non-English languages, I fail
> to understand why the same thing cannot be done for LO versions. But perhaps
> I am missing something here ?...

As far as I know, it´s an issue of data volume on the download servers.

Stefan

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[tdf-discuss] Comparison of LO and OO downloads for a non-English language

[M Henri Day]

I've been wondering for some time why downloading a stable Swedish version
of LO is more complicated than downloading a stable Swedish version of OO (I
presume this is also the case for other non-English languages, but I've not
tried). Below a table which displays the difference :

*(64-bit) Ubuntu 10.10 :*

* LibO_3.3.2_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz 163 MB
* LibO_3.3.2_Linux_x86-64_langpack-deb_sv.tar.gz 2.1 MB (sv - Svenska)
* LibO_3.3.2_Linux_x86-64_helppack-deb_sv.tar.gz 9.9 MB (sv - Svenska)


Download now!

Start downloading OpenOffice.org 3.3.0 for Linux Debian 64-bit in Swedish.
(Java Runtime Environment (JRE) included for all OS versions except Linux
32/64-bit Debian and Mac OS)

*
(64-bit) Windows 7 :*

* LibO_3.3.2_Win_x86_install_multi.exe 214 MB
* LibO_3.3.2_Win_x86_helppack_sv.exe 9.6 MB (sv - Svenska)


Download OpenOffice.org 3.3.0

Click to start downloading the most recent version for Windows and Swedish
(Java Runtime Environment (JRE) included for all versions except Linux
32/64-bit Debian and Mac OS)

As the table makes clear, for 64-bit Linux Debian, two more files must be
downloaded and installed in the case of LO than in the case of OO. For
Windows, one more file is required. This means that when helping retirees
install an alternative to MS Office, I find myself turning to OO rather than
LO, which I prefer for my own use. If the respective helppacks and langpacks
can be included in stable versions of OO for non-English languages, I fail
to understand why the same thing cannot be done for LO versions. But perhaps
I am missing something here ?...

Henri

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Question

[Dave Barton]

 Original Message  
From: Marius Popa 
To: discuss@documentfoundation.org
Date: Sat, 28 May 2011 08:36:32 +0300

> Probably, I should first convert the PDF to ODT and then remake the
> file and convert it to PDF again. How to convert a PDF to an ODT
> file?

Unless you frequently need to make many conversions, or need to convert
extremely large files, you can use a free on-line conversion service.
The service I use is http://www.zamzar.com The conversions are not 100%
perfect, but reasonable enough for my editing requirements.

Dave


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Re: [tdf-discuss] need new string in chart type dialog of line and XY chart for smoothing line with B-spline

[sophie]

Hi all,
On 27/05/2011 23:05, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
[...]


In Italian, where we traditionally have very long strings as in French,
"Degree of Polynomial" would be "Grado del polinomio" (19); it would be
more informative to use "Grado del polinomio interpolante" (32) which
probably exceeds the maximum length; but I think "Degree of
Polynomial" (="Grado del polinomio") is clear enough in context.

+1
Kind regards
Sophie

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Start as uno listener by default

[sophie]

Hi Hans-Peter,
On 28/05/2011 03:21, Hans-Peter Jansen wrote:

On Thursday 26 May 2011, 12:28:07 Hans-Peter Jansen wrote:

Hi,

I would like to know, how it is archived to setup the LO equivalent
to the method described here:

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/DevGuide/ProUN
O/Starting_OpenOffice.org_in_Listening_Mode


Something wrong with the question? Wrong forum?
You should ask you question on the users list, this list is more about 
general discussions on the Foundation.

To subscribe, send an empty mail to users+subscr...@libreoffice.org

Kind regards
Sophie

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: RC2 - no 3.4.0.x tag in help -> about libreoffice

[Lenoir Olivier]

Usually I have a look at the package and i keep it away  :-)

plino a écrit :

@Andras

Yes. That is quite obvious for developers.

But can't it simply say RC2 somewhere so that *USERS* KNOW which version
they have?

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Problematic digest mail answering - Buggy mailclient? (was: Paid Developers)

[e-letter]

A hyperlink to gnuplot was provided
(http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.graphics.gnuplot.user/5655) but
as originally stated, how this would help is not understood.

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[tdf-discuss] Re: RC2 - no 3.4.0.x tag in help -> about libreoffice

[plino]

@Andras

Yes. That is quite obvious for developers.

But can't it simply say RC2 somewhere so that *USERS* KNOW which version
they have?

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