Re: [tdf-discuss] Why is Microsoft allowed to use "OpenDocument"?

2016-07-07 Thread Joel Madero 
Please ask the OASIS team on their mailing list. This is not the place
for this discussion.

Best,
Joel

On 07/07/2016 10:26 PM, Edmund Laugasson wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> There was also court case between Microsoft and UK government -
> http://www.itproportal.com/2015/03/30/microsoft-will-adopt-open-document-standards-following-government-battle/
>
> But it seems that Microsoft does not respect the results of that court
> case - still the incompatibilities exist - how to solve this? Does
> anybody in this list know more about that court case and possibly
> people who are behind that? I would like to investigate that case a
> bit more. I tried to contact with British parliament member but they
> did not respond even I used all honour titles respectfully.
>
> Thank you,
> Edmund Laugasson
>
> 2016-07-07 17:22 GMT+03:00 Joel Madero  >:
>
>
> > Is this the official statement of the OD-foundation or only yours?
> >
> > You know the GPL? This is a 100%-thing, too. You have to do it
> 100% or
> > your are not allowed.
> Well considering you're asking on a LibreOffice email list and not on
> the OASIS email list - obviously I'm not speaking for OASIS
> ("OD-foundation"). Feel free to email them with your questions as this
> seems like the wrong place for this discussion anyways.
>
>
> Best,
> Joel
>
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Why is Microsoft allowed to use "OpenDocument"?

2016-07-07 Thread Edmund Laugasson 
Dear all,

There was also court case between Microsoft and UK government -
http://www.itproportal.com/2015/03/30/microsoft-will-adopt-open-document-standards-following-government-battle/

But it seems that Microsoft does not respect the results of that court case
- still the incompatibilities exist - how to solve this? Does anybody in
this list know more about that court case and possibly people who are
behind that? I would like to investigate that case a bit more. I tried to
contact with British parliament member but they did not respond even I used
all honour titles respectfully.

Thank you,
Edmund Laugasson

2016-07-07 17:22 GMT+03:00 Joel Madero :

>
> > Is this the official statement of the OD-foundation or only yours?
> >
> > You know the GPL? This is a 100%-thing, too. You have to do it 100% or
> > your are not allowed.
> Well considering you're asking on a LibreOffice email list and not on
> the OASIS email list - obviously I'm not speaking for OASIS
> ("OD-foundation"). Feel free to email them with your questions as this
> seems like the wrong place for this discussion anyways.
>
>
> Best,
> Joel
>
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Why is Microsoft allowed to use "OpenDocument"?

2016-07-07 Thread Joel Madero 

> Is this the official statement of the OD-foundation or only yours?
>
> You know the GPL? This is a 100%-thing, too. You have to do it 100% or
> your are not allowed.
Well considering you're asking on a LibreOffice email list and not on
the OASIS email list - obviously I'm not speaking for OASIS
("OD-foundation"). Feel free to email them with your questions as this
seems like the wrong place for this discussion anyways.


Best,
Joel

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Why is Microsoft allowed to use "OpenDocument"?

2016-07-07 Thread c.buhtz 
On 2016-07-06 07:34 Joel Madero  wrote:
> Pretty straight forward. Microsoft only supports ODF1.1 through
> Office2010, I believe with 2013 ODF1.2 is supported but I'm not
> positive. Even at that, their support isn't perfect (just like our
> support of OOXML isn't perfect). They put their energy into supporting
> their own standard.

I think they put their energy in discredit open standards.

> OOXML

This is not the topic here. It is a special own topic. Official it is a
open standard (with over 6000 pages and some patents behind it!) but in
practice it is just another war-front of MS to work agains open
standards.
If you want to discuss that please open a new thread. btw: I don't
want. ;)

> > As I described I observed that Word doesn't fit to that standard.
> > But Word lie to the user and offer to open and save OpenDocument
> > files.
> I suggest reporting bugs to Microsoft when issues come up.

MS earn money with MS Word. I want invest my time for free to report
bugs. If they pay me enough I would do. Or if they would free the code
I would do free bug reports.

> > The question is why is Microsoft allowed to use "OpenDocument" that
> > way?
> Open standard we want everyone using it, even if not perfectly.

I need to repeat my question here. Why does the OD-Foundation allow
that?

"not perfectly" is against open standards and just help MS with their
non-free formats. It is a simple methode to implement standards only in
a half to show the users that this is "shit".

> > Isn't there a juristic way to restrict that?
> No and even if there was, we wouldn't want that. Then it becomes two
> proprietary standards.

Is this the official statement of the OD-foundation or only yours?

You know the GPL? This is a 100%-thing, too. You have to do it 100% or
your are not allowed.

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