Re: [tdf-discuss] (Re-Post) Survey|Opinion - LibreOffice Install and Update
On 14/10/10 05:25, Scott Furry wrote: Dear LibreOffice Community, I am Re-Posting the original survey under new title. If you wish to have a discussion about the survey or aspects of someone's responses, I would kindly ask that you start a new thread (please add discussion or similar to the title so as to distinguish the discussion from the survey itself). For those of you who have replied, thank you. I have your answers tucked away and you do not have to fill this out again. For those who have not replied, with a rather timely new beta release, please give thought about what is important to you when it comes to installing/updating LibreOffice. Your responses will help TDF understand its users. I intend to keep this thread going for a couple more weeks. At that time, I'll compile and report back the results. Thanks to all, Scott Furry Original Survey Follows - As suggested, this post is intended to get the opinion of the community about how best to deliver LibreOffice to its users. Given that LibreOffice is an important and viable alternative to paid-for office productivity software, and we all feel strongly and passionately about the direction of LibreOffice, input about the community members' expectations/needs/users is needed. From what we have heard on this topic so far: - Mac users have commented that they do not have an issue with the current installer available on the Mac platform. - Window users indicated that an update mechanism would be great. Some commented that the current Windows installer leaves artifacts behind. The Windows Installer does not detect/remove previous installations properly. - Linux users have discussed vast amounts opinions on packaging in Linux. Some have questioned if distributing packages is a good thing. --- This survey is to gauge the views of the LibreOffice community on the install/update method of LibreOffice. Please voice your opinion so that these considerations may be taken into account when the LibreOffice method of install/update is studied by the developer team. Please *bottom-post* your opinions. How do you expect LibreOffice to be updated? How do you Install/Update LibreOffice? What do you expect when Installing/Updating LibreOffice? Other programs have separate updating programs (iTunes being an example), if it was technically feasible, would having a separate install program for LibreOffice (with updating features) be useful to you? Would having a download and update site, as well as a Unix|Linux package repository site, be of value to you? --- Please note that I am not affiliated with DocumentFoundation. I am like you, a community member who wants to see LibreOffice be very successful. So let's hear what you think folks? Regards, Scott Furry 1.Updates. Linux - Personally there is no problem with the current OOo practice of distro packages and OOo vanilla packages in parallel. This would suit me for LibO. However, it would be helpful for newbies if updates from the distro repositories could be available between distro upgrades - thinking particularly of Ubuntu and derivatives. Updates.Windows - I have no problem with the current OOo practice, however a decent installer and, perhaps the ability to carry out partial updates/upgrades would be helpful. 2. I install install/upgrade the vanilla versions for linux (ubuntu) and use this in parallel with the distro version (OOo). When LibO goes to 3.3.0 final I'll probably remove the distro version. 3. Separate install/updating program - Haven't thought about this - could be nice but would want to know a few more details first. 4.Download Update site in addition to a linux distro repository site - I regard this as a must - see my answer to 1., above. Hope these answers add usefully to the sum total of knowledge being acumulated! Terry W -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] (Re-Post) Survey|Opinion - LibreOffice Install and Update
Hi Scott, :-) On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 12:25, Scott Furry scott.wl.fu...@gmail.com wrote: How do you expect LibreOffice to be updated? On Linux platforms like Ubuntu, Fedora Core, etc, I'd like all updates via my package manager. After all, it's one of the notable advances that's turned a Linux box from a geek toy to a viable tool for non-expert users that is arguably easier to own than a Windows system. On Windows, I'd want to get updates from a central TDF site, although I had a satisfactory experience in the past with the Google Pack. How do you Install/Update LibreOffice? On Linux, via my package manager. On Windows, I've usually just downloaded the current version and installed - over the top of an existing installation, if there was one. But I have also used the Google Pack in the past, and it worked well for me. What do you expect when Installing/Updating LibreOffice? I'd like updates to cover the core software plus all add-ons, clip art libraries, auxiliary components, etc. Other programs have separate updating programs (iTunes being an example), if it was technically feasible, would having a separate install program for LibreOffice (with updating features) be useful to you? That can be useful with a conservative Linux distrib that is tardy in pushing new software versions (e.g. Debian), or for other special cases, but generally your Linux's package manager would be the best way to go, no? Would having a download and update site, as well as a Unix|Linux package repository site, be of value to you? The advantage would be that you might possibly get some things earlier than via your preferred Linux distrib, but it sounds like a big and possibly unjustifiable demand on LibO project resources for the benefits gained. Plus I noticed that Ubuntu distributes an OOo (LibO in future, I guess) that is slightly better integrated visually into Gnome than the current LibO beta I installed... an added value from additional work they do before shipping a distrib update/upgrade? HTH. David Nelson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] (Re-Post) Survey|Opinion - LibreOffice Install and Update
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello, On 14/10/2010 09:25, David Nelson wrote: Plus I noticed that Ubuntu distributes an OOo (LibO in future, I guess) that is slightly better integrated visually into Gnome than the current LibO beta I installed... an added value from additional work they do before shipping a distrib update/upgrade? Not really, just that I am building the release versions of LibO so that it can run on any machine where OOo runs (with only little notable upgrade needed and it is glib 2.8.3+). This means that I build against GTK+ 2.4.x series and some of the cool stuff is simply not there in that version. Moreover, the build does not use to the maximum possible extent any system library and dlopens instead of links some others. That is why it is always preferable to rely on your Linux vendor to provide the package for that distribution which might simply be smaller, faster and better integrated. Although, the release build can be basically used everywhere, with some limitations to the user experience. Cheers Fridrich -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAky2xeMACgkQu9a1imXPdA9xKQCfQtd+y5OlSKaLNNeF06xlullV tu8An3iJuyh2Wpy2apQXTmTaE7wEzE6u =GHTM -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
[tdf-discuss] (Re-Post) Survey|Opinion - LibreOffice Install and Update
Dear LibreOffice Community, I am Re-Posting the original survey under new title. If you wish to have a discussion about the survey or aspects of someone's responses, I would kindly ask that you start a new thread (please add discussion or similar to the title so as to distinguish the discussion from the survey itself). For those of you who have replied, thank you. I have your answers tucked away and you do not have to fill this out again. For those who have not replied, with a rather timely new beta release, please give thought about what is important to you when it comes to installing/updating LibreOffice. Your responses will help TDF understand its users. I intend to keep this thread going for a couple more weeks. At that time, I'll compile and report back the results. Thanks to all, Scott Furry Original Survey Follows - As suggested, this post is intended to get the opinion of the community about how best to deliver LibreOffice to its users. Given that LibreOffice is an important and viable alternative to paid-for office productivity software, and we all feel strongly and passionately about the direction of LibreOffice, input about the community members' expectations/needs/users is needed. From what we have heard on this topic so far: - Mac users have commented that they do not have an issue with the current installer available on the Mac platform. - Window users indicated that an update mechanism would be great. Some commented that the current Windows installer leaves artifacts behind. The Windows Installer does not detect/remove previous installations properly. - Linux users have discussed vast amounts opinions on packaging in Linux. Some have questioned if distributing packages is a good thing. --- This survey is to gauge the views of the LibreOffice community on the install/update method of LibreOffice. Please voice your opinion so that these considerations may be taken into account when the LibreOffice method of install/update is studied by the developer team. Please *bottom-post* your opinions. How do you expect LibreOffice to be updated? How do you Install/Update LibreOffice? What do you expect when Installing/Updating LibreOffice? Other programs have separate updating programs (iTunes being an example), if it was technically feasible, would having a separate install program for LibreOffice (with updating features) be useful to you? Would having a download and update site, as well as a Unix|Linux package repository site, be of value to you? --- Please note that I am not affiliated with DocumentFoundation. I am like you, a community member who wants to see LibreOffice be very successful. So let's hear what you think folks? Regards, Scott Furry -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
