[tdf-discuss] Re: New LibreOffice Reader Eliminates Need for PDF Reader
On 07/04/2011 04:07 PM, Robert Derman wrote: NoOp wrote: On 06/25/2011 03:37 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On 25 Jun 2011, at 08:33, Ian Lynch wrote: Manfred wrote: I still believe that PDF is the best solution to distribute final versions of text (and maybe other office) documents. I'd say yes if they are likely to be printed on paper, no if it is only likely to be read from a screen. I disagree. Once a document no longer needs editing (and this is a frequent need in daily life - think purchase receipt, invoice, insurance schedule and so on) it needs to be provided in an electronic format that cannot be easily altered. PDF plays this role, ODF doesn't. No, but HTML does. More to the point, chm files also are build for read-only. Surely they are more microsoft based, but even Read (activity from the OLPC/Sugar), had to add a webkit renderer for another popular format -- epub. Which of course is done for read-only porpouses. So a bigger discussion than demanding PDF reader, might be to upgrade the very old HTML renderer in LibreOffice to something like webkit. Actually, NoOp didn't write any of that. Please mind your attributions. Might updating LO's HTML capability also improve its ability to create and edit HTML? Back when I was maintaining a web page, I seem to remember using OOo Writer for this, so if I remember correctly OOo, and therefore LO can create and edit HTML, but it would certainly improve its usefulness to small businesses if it could do it even better. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: New LibreOffice Reader Eliminates Need for PDF Reader
Sorry to come in late on this thread, but there is an android ODF reader: http://www.androidzoom.com/**android_applications/** productivity/odf-viewer_mnhl.**htmlhttp://www.androidzoom.com/android_applications/productivity/odf-viewer_mnhl.html It seems to have rather come to a halt, but there may be code there which could be massaged into a reader (?) I'm in no way a developer, and have little experience with the reader, other than finding it can't open encrypted files. I suggested this to the developer, but he indicated he wasn't actually working on the project currently. Just looked in the Android market on my Samsung Galaxy S. Found OpenOffice Document Reader by Tom Tasche 250,000 downloads. ODF viewer by olidroide 5-1 downloads So looks like there are several odf viewers out there. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: New LibreOffice Reader Eliminates Need for PDF Reader
On 06/25/2011 03:37 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On 25 Jun 2011, at 08:33, Ian Lynch wrote: Manfred wrote: I still believe that PDF is the best solution to distribute final versions of text (and maybe other office) documents. I'd say yes if they are likely to be printed on paper, no if it is only likely to be read from a screen. I disagree. Once a document no longer needs editing (and this is a frequent need in daily life - think purchase receipt, invoice, insurance schedule and so on) it needs to be provided in an electronic format that cannot be easily altered. PDF plays this role, ODF doesn't. No, but HTML does. More to the point, chm files also are build for read-only. Surely they are more microsoft based, but even Read (activity from the OLPC/Sugar), had to add a webkit renderer for another popular format -- epub. Which of course is done for read-only porpouses. So a bigger discussion than demanding PDF reader, might be to upgrade the very old HTML renderer in LibreOffice to something like webkit. ... This might be of interest: http://andreasgal.com/2011/06/15/pdf-js/ [pdf.js: Rendering PDF with HTML5 and JavaScript] http://blog.mozilla.com/cjones/2011/07/03/pdf-js-first-milestone/ [pdf.js reached its first milestone] https://wiki.mozilla.org/PDF.js Perhaps that could be modifed/integrated to also view .odt etc? -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: New LibreOffice Reader Eliminates Need for PDF Reader
NoOp wrote: On 06/25/2011 03:37 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On 25 Jun 2011, at 08:33, Ian Lynch wrote: Manfred wrote: I still believe that PDF is the best solution to distribute final versions of text (and maybe other office) documents. I'd say yes if they are likely to be printed on paper, no if it is only likely to be read from a screen. I disagree. Once a document no longer needs editing (and this is a frequent need in daily life - think purchase receipt, invoice, insurance schedule and so on) it needs to be provided in an electronic format that cannot be easily altered. PDF plays this role, ODF doesn't. No, but HTML does. More to the point, chm files also are build for read-only. Surely they are more microsoft based, but even Read (activity from the OLPC/Sugar), had to add a webkit renderer for another popular format -- epub. Which of course is done for read-only porpouses. So a bigger discussion than demanding PDF reader, might be to upgrade the very old HTML renderer in LibreOffice to something like webkit. Might updating LO's HTML capability also improve its ability to create and edit HTML? Back when I was maintaining a web page, I seem to remember using OOo Writer for this, so if I remember correctly OOo, and therefore LO can create and edit HTML, but it would certainly improve its usefulness to small businesses if it could do it even better. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: New LibreOffice Reader Eliminates Need for PDF Reader
On 05/07/11 09:07, Robert Derman wrote: NoOp wrote: On 06/25/2011 03:37 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On 25 Jun 2011, at 08:33, Ian Lynch wrote: Manfred wrote: I still believe that PDF is the best solution to distribute final versions of text (and maybe other office) documents. I'd say yes if they are likely to be printed on paper, no if it is only likely to be read from a screen. I disagree. Once a document no longer needs editing (and this is a frequent need in daily life - think purchase receipt, invoice, insurance schedule and so on) it needs to be provided in an electronic format that cannot be easily altered. PDF plays this role, ODF doesn't. No, but HTML does. More to the point, chm files also are build for read-only. Surely they are more microsoft based, but even Read (activity from the OLPC/Sugar), had to add a webkit renderer for another popular format -- epub. Which of course is done for read-only porpouses. So a bigger discussion than demanding PDF reader, might be to upgrade the very old HTML renderer in LibreOffice to something like webkit. Might updating LO's HTML capability also improve its ability to create and edit HTML? Back when I was maintaining a web page, I seem to remember using OOo Writer for this, so if I remember correctly OOo, and therefore LO can create and edit HTML, but it would certainly improve its usefulness to small businesses if it could do it even better. Hi Robert, There are many excellent open source HTML editors available for many platforms. LO does not need to 'recreate the wheel'. If you need a good package email me directly with some details of the platform you are using and type of HTML pages you are editing and I will send some links to you. In regards to PDF readers, again many options exist. Why does LO need to create something new or fork an existing project. Look around everyone, there are many good PDF readers - foss and freeware. I think the expectation that LO is everything for everyone is over the top, people need to stop looking for an office suite that will bundle every package you could possibly want. IMHO. -- Cheers Simon Simon Cropper Principal Consultant Botanicus Australia Pty Ltd PO Box 160, Sunshine, VIC W: www.botanicusaustralia.com.au -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: New LibreOffice Reader Eliminates Need for PDF Reader
Simon Cropper wrote: On 05/07/11 09:07, Robert Derman wrote: NoOp wrote: On 06/25/2011 03:37 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On 25 Jun 2011, at 08:33, Ian Lynch wrote: Manfred wrote: I still believe that PDF is the best solution to distribute final versions of text (and maybe other office) documents. I'd say yes if they are likely to be printed on paper, no if it is only likely to be read from a screen. I disagree. Once a document no longer needs editing (and this is a frequent need in daily life - think purchase receipt, invoice, insurance schedule and so on) it needs to be provided in an electronic format that cannot be easily altered. PDF plays this role, ODF doesn't. No, but HTML does. More to the point, chm files also are build for read-only. Surely they are more microsoft based, but even Read (activity from the OLPC/Sugar), had to add a webkit renderer for another popular format -- epub. Which of course is done for read-only porpouses. So a bigger discussion than demanding PDF reader, might be to upgrade the very old HTML renderer in LibreOffice to something like webkit. Might updating LO's HTML capability also improve its ability to create and edit HTML? Back when I was maintaining a web page, I seem to remember using OOo Writer for this, so if I remember correctly OOo, and therefore LO can create and edit HTML, but it would certainly improve its usefulness to small businesses if it could do it even better. Hi Robert, There are many excellent open source HTML editors available for many platforms. LO does not need to 'recreate the wheel'. If you need a good package email me directly with some details of the platform you are using and type of HTML pages you are editing and I will send some links to you. Many people don't realize that sometimes the best tool isn't the one that is best designed or does the best job, but rather the one that you are most familiar with. If you read my last paragraph above, very carefully, you will notice that it is in the past tense. I don't have a web page any more. The reason that I used OOo for this was that I only spent about 15 minutes a week doing HTML, so finding a program and then learning a program that was designed specifically for this purpose just didn't seem like a worthwhile investment of time. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: New LibreOffice Reader Eliminates Need for PDF Reader
On 05/07/11 14:34, Robert Derman wrote: Simon Cropper wrote: On 05/07/11 09:07, Robert Derman wrote: NoOp wrote: On 06/25/2011 03:37 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On 25 Jun 2011, at 08:33, Ian Lynch wrote: Manfred wrote: I still believe that PDF is the best solution to distribute final versions of text (and maybe other office) documents. I'd say yes if they are likely to be printed on paper, no if it is only likely to be read from a screen. I disagree. Once a document no longer needs editing (and this is a frequent need in daily life - think purchase receipt, invoice, insurance schedule and so on) it needs to be provided in an electronic format that cannot be easily altered. PDF plays this role, ODF doesn't. No, but HTML does. More to the point, chm files also are build for read-only. Surely they are more microsoft based, but even Read (activity from the OLPC/Sugar), had to add a webkit renderer for another popular format -- epub. Which of course is done for read-only porpouses. So a bigger discussion than demanding PDF reader, might be to upgrade the very old HTML renderer in LibreOffice to something like webkit. Might updating LO's HTML capability also improve its ability to create and edit HTML? Back when I was maintaining a web page, I seem to remember using OOo Writer for this, so if I remember correctly OOo, and therefore LO can create and edit HTML, but it would certainly improve its usefulness to small businesses if it could do it even better. Hi Robert, There are many excellent open source HTML editors available for many platforms. LO does not need to 'recreate the wheel'. If you need a good package email me directly with some details of the platform you are using and type of HTML pages you are editing and I will send some links to you. Many people don't realize that sometimes the best tool isn't the one that is best designed or does the best job, but rather the one that you are most familiar with. If you read my last paragraph above, very carefully, you will notice that it is in the past tense. I don't have a web page any more. The reason that I used OOo for this was that I only spent about 15 minutes a week doing HTML, so finding a program and then learning a program that was designed specifically for this purpose just didn't seem like a worthwhile investment of time. Fair enough. -- Cheers Simon -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: New LibreOffice Reader Eliminates Need for PDF Reader
Here is another free one (for Windows only) http://www.officeviewers.com -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/New-LibreOffice-Reader-Eliminates-Need-for-PDF-Reader-tp3101887p3102326.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
