Re: [tdf-discuss] TDF Certification
On 24/06/2011, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: Le 2011-06-24 14:34, Manfred A. Reiter a écrit : Hi Uwe, Ich bin z.Zt. in Urlaub, melde mich danach. ;-) ... Sollten uns dann persönlich sehen. LG ## Manfred - (android) mobil - please excuse typos Am 24.06.2011 15:40 schrieb Uwe Altmanno...@altsys.de: Translated: Manfred is letting us know that he is on vacation. :-) Hi Manfred: Hope you have a relaxing time and we look forward to hearing from you soon. :-) Cheers Marc -- Marc Paré http://www.parEntreprise.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] TDF Certification
Hi Ian Am 22.06.11 17:01, schrieb Ian Lynch: On 6/22/11 1:40 PM, Ian Lynch wrote: ...The OpenOffice project application was submitted through OpenSaar in Germany. I wrote it but we thought it better to go through a different partner. Could you provide some more Information on this for me - that sounds quite interesting. I'm living in Saarbrücken and have been for years active member of the gemanophone OOo-Project but don't know anything about this. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Uwe Altmann -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] TDF Certification
On 23 June 2011 12:09, Goran Rakic gra...@devbase.net wrote: У чет, 23. 06 2011. у 10:41 +0100, Ian Lynch пише: All it needs to do is have a set of criteria or even a simple contractual statement that the partner company providing services on behalf of the community will uphold community principles and not bring it into disrepute. Why the such contract is required? If trademark policy allows you to do the certification business, what is the point of the having a contract? Because 1. It provides a formal relationship so that the partner company contributes back to the project 2. In the government and corporate worlds they don't understand the informality of FOSS communities and might not commit without it. 3. Without it you run the risk of companies using the Trade Mark and associating it with things the community would not want to be associated with and no means of practical redress. Of course you don't have to have a contract, we didn't plan on having one it simply has advantages to both parties. Usually contracts do. Are you suggesting there should be some exclusivity where only those who are signing a contract with TDF can do the certification? I see this as a real danger for the community. No, it's just the same as here in the UK with the qualifications regulators. If we meet the regulatory criteria then people have confidence in us if we don't they won't. Any company willing to meet the criteria can be accredited, it's not a matter of exclusion its about inclusion of those that meet the criteria. Here are three simple examples of criteria a FOSS community might want to apply. 1. The partner will give at least equal weight to supporting the certification related to free and open source products as they do to any proprietary products. 2. The partner will make a reasonable contribution to the community development effort in keeping with the benefit gained from association with the community. 3. The partner will have sufficient quality assurance procedures and systems in place so as to uphold the integrity of the community. Of course you might disagree or want other criteria, these are just examples to illustrate that the community can use these things to help further its aims. Your contribution in terms of learning materials and LibreOffice promotion is valuable as such, I do not see why would you need further endorsements. Because the corporate world and some governments will expect it. This is as much if not more for community benefit than it is for us. We don't have a shortage of potential lines of business development. In fact the reverse is true, we have too many possibilities and insufficient resources to commit to all of them. We currently operate without any community endorsement and we have only come back to the possibility because of the changes with Sun/Oracle/LibO/OOo we really don't need it specifically. However, I know of at least one large potential customer that would at least like it if not require it. Its probably not worth our while entering complex negotiations with such an organisation if it will fail because they require official contracts that are impossible to get. Kind regards, Goran Rakic -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] TDF Certification
On 24 June 2011 14:39, Uwe Altmann o...@altsys.de wrote: Hi Ian Am 22.06.11 17:01, schrieb Ian Lynch: On 6/22/11 1:40 PM, Ian Lynch wrote: ...The OpenOffice project application was submitted through OpenSaar in Germany. I wrote it but we thought it better to go through a different partner. Could you provide some more Information on this for me - that sounds quite interesting. I'm living in Saarbrücken and have been for years active member of the gemanophone OOo-Project but don't know anything about this. Best to talk to Manfred Reiter and/or Bernhard Mommenthal. I copied them into the reply so you can get their contact e-mails from there. I made an application last year through the UK NA but we had a project already running and another was approved. I suspect they didn't like us to have too many. So we reapplied with Germany as the lead. We could, in fact, apply for several of these with different countries leading and different sets of partners. It just needs some strategic organisation. The EQF (European Qualifications Framework) and ECVET (New assessment methods for vocational training) are high priorities for funding which is another reason why LibO/OOo and any other FOSS project should consider developing certification projects. There are some changes that should make it less bureaucratic in future years. These grants are available year after year and could bring millions of Euros into FOSS communities. However, the application form is not for the faint hearted :-) -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ) www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] TDF Certification
Hi Uwe, Ich bin z.Zt. in Urlaub, melde mich danach. ;-) ... Sollten uns dann persönlich sehen. LG ## Manfred - (android) mobil - please excuse typos Am 24.06.2011 15:40 schrieb Uwe Altmann o...@altsys.de: Hi Ian Am 22.06.11 17:01, schrieb Ian Lynch: On 6/22/11 1:40 PM, Ian Lynch wrote: ...The OpenOffice project application was submitted through OpenSaar in Germany. I wrote it but we thought it better to go through a different partner. Could you provide some more Information on this for me - that sounds quite interesting. I'm living in Saarbrücken and have been for years active member of the gemanophone OOo-Project but don't know anything about this. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Uwe Altmann -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] TDF Certification
Le 2011-06-24 14:34, Manfred A. Reiter a écrit : Hi Uwe, Ich bin z.Zt. in Urlaub, melde mich danach. ;-) ... Sollten uns dann persönlich sehen. LG ## Manfred - (android) mobil - please excuse typos Am 24.06.2011 15:40 schrieb Uwe Altmanno...@altsys.de: Translated: Manfred is letting us know that he is on vacation. :-) Hi Manfred: Hope you have a relaxing time and we look forward to hearing from you soon. :-) Cheers Marc -- Marc Paré http://www.parEntreprise.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE : Re: [tdf-discuss] TDF Certification
Hi, I don't think the TDF Certification is meant to cover end users. It's meant to cover professionnal service providers providing services to customers/users. I believe such a certification is an opportunity to advance TDF's Sustainability and foster a business ecosystem around it. I think that the three first issues we'll have to tackle are the certification process itself, the pricing and scaling (3persons company sould not be treated less well than karger corporations) and the scope of the certification itself(what do we certify?) Best, Charles. Le 23 juin 2011, 11:59 AM, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org a écrit : Le Thu, 23 Jun 2011 04:27:57 +0200, Goran Rakic gra...@devbase.net a écrit : Hi all, I believe that TDF should not do any kind of end-user certification. Instead, ... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] TDF Certification
У чет, 23. 06 2011. у 10:41 +0100, Ian Lynch пише: All it needs to do is have a set of criteria or even a simple contractual statement that the partner company providing services on behalf of the community will uphold community principles and not bring it into disrepute. Why the such contract is required? If trademark policy allows you to do the certification business, what is the point of the having a contract? Are you suggesting there should be some exclusivity where only those who are signing a contract with TDF can do the certification? I see this as a real danger for the community. Your contribution in terms of learning materials and LibreOffice promotion is valuable as such, I do not see why would you need further endorsements. Kind regards, Goran Rakic -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] TDF Certification
On 6/22/11 1:40 PM, Ian Lynch wrote: Ah, I just edited it! Sorry if that makes things more difficult. Feel free to delete anything you don't like! No problem, I have printed a comparison of the two versions, but it looks like you just improved the contents quite a lot. I am keen about understanding more about EU funded projects, and it look like you are quite knowledgeable here. Unfortunately, I didn't have the time to study the topic, and I think I will spend some time during my holidays doing this. Do you have any specific readings to suggest? -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] TDF Certification
The document is on the wiki. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDFCertification This might become a huge project, and a new business model for free software on the desktop. A challenge for the entire community, and one of the reasons for having an independent foundation and not a house for the code. Contents are not confidential, of course, as otherwise they would not be on the wiki, but it must be clear that this is going to become a real project after a long incubation. Everyone is warmly invited to comment and provide suggestions. Ciao, Italo -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
