Re: [IxDA Discuss] Should persuasion be left to marketers?

2008-07-15 Thread Andrei Herasimchuk
For some reason... my latest emails aren't getting posted. So I guess
I have to use the website.

--

Graphic design which fulfills aesthetic needs, complies with the
laws of form and exigencies of two-dimensional space; which speaks in
semiotics, sans-serifs, and geometrics; which abstracts, transforms,
translates, rotates, dilates, repeats, mirrors, groups, and regroups
is not good design if it is irrelevant.

Graphic design which evokes the symmetria of Vitruvius, the dynamic
symmetry of Hambridge, the asymmetry of Mondrian; which is a good
gestalt generated by intuition or by computer, by invention or by a
system of coordinates is not good design if it does not
communicate.

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Re: [IxDA Discuss] statistical significance

2008-07-15 Thread Elizabeth
Many thanks to everyone, that's all really useful advice.  
- I suspected it was a bit of a how long is a piece of string?
question(!), but at least now I know I'm heading in the right
direction. :)

I'll let you know how it goes!

Regards


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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Marking Required vs. Optional form fields

2008-07-15 Thread Caroline Jarrett
From: Marty DeAngelo [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 We weren't thinking about using the asterisk to indicate the 
 optional fields - we were considering either having the big 
 (Optional) after
the legend or maybe an alternate icon (I was leaning against that 
because who knows what an 'field optional' icon looks like?).

 My concern is that if 9 out of 10 items are required, then those 9 
 red asterisks create more noise in the form.  I would rather try to 
 call out
the ONE field which isn't required but necessary to include, such as 
Apt # or Suite #.

 Make sense?

Sure. I'm OK with indicating the optional field with the text 
(Optional).

Just one concern: it's not really about the number of required fields, 
it's the invasiveness of those fields and whether they are appropriate 
in the context. Sometimes you'll need more than merely an indication 
(or absence of it), you'll need a full explanation of (say) why a 
street address is required for a purely electronic transaction.

If every field is appropriate, then indeed the red asterisks are more 
noise - although I'd consider replacing them with small, discreet 
body-font colour asterisks instead, for those web-savvy users who 
specifically look for such things.

best,


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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Interactive prototyping

2008-07-15 Thread Fred Beecher
On 7/14/08, oliver green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi All,

 I need to prototype a concept that is a blend of web based
 applications and mobile applications. Is there any tool that I can use
 to showcase the concepts for both?


Any interactive prototyping tool should be able to handle both. I'm a big
fan of Axure myself, and although I've used it mainly for Web  desktop
apps, I've seen a company using it for mobile devices as well. They created
a background image of the device and just did their wireframes on top of
that image.

This worked well for testing people's ability to navigate through the
device's IA.

I have done a *little* bit with trying to prototype in Axure for hardware
myself and I've run into these issues:

1) If you have soft buttons, people testing (with a mouse in a web browser,
mind you) will want to click on the soft button labels (on the device's
screen), not the representation of the physical buttons.

2) If you want to do a hardware prototype, you either need to have a device
that can run a Web browser or...

3) You need to hack something together with an external VGA screen acting as
a 2nd monitor and plugged into a real computer.

4) Again with hardware prototyping, you'll need some way to make pressing
the buttons on the physical prototype correspond to mouse clicks at
particular locations on the screen. For this, you'll need something like an
Arduino: http://www.arduino.cc/en/Guide/HomePage

These issues will likely apply to ANY interactive prototyping tool you use,
not just Axure. I'm guessing it will be even more unlikely that a given
device will be able to run Flash than a Web browser (*cough* iPhone
*cough*).

Take care,
F.

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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Register vs. Sing-Up vs. Join Us

2008-07-15 Thread Andreas Ringdal
Keep it simple

/join  or  /register

Sign up, indicates that the users are about to recieve something
from you.
Register indicates that they are about to provide their data for
your use  
Join indicates that they are about to participate in something.

Andreas


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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Confirm password field - Superfluous?

2008-07-15 Thread Carrie Garzich
I'm intrigued by the idea of letting the user turn off password masking
with a radio button or a checkbox, but one concern -- is there a likelihood
that a lot of users will be tabbing through this form?

Unless your users are savvy enough to know to use the space bar
on checkboxes/radio buttons, those tabbing through the form would need to go
to mouse to turn off the masking, which may take them longer to do than it
would to just type the password again.

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Re: [IxDA Discuss] statistical significance

2008-07-15 Thread Jakob
Steve said: 

If you know that you have a user segment that is relatively scarce,
but important for you to capture - like your executive team, for
example - you should be certain to include a representative of this
group in your studies. Essentially you're adopting a stratified
sampling technique rather than a purely random sample as a deliberate
tactic to cover small audience groups.

Just make sure you take this into account when you evaluate any of
your findings quantitatively. Your small audience groups would be
over-represented in this case.

Regards,
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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Marking Required vs. Optional form fields

2008-07-15 Thread Mahmoud NAJJAR
I agree with Caroline. 


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[IxDA Discuss] online shopping - checkout experience

2008-07-15 Thread Mike Caskey
I'm curious about checkout.  Is anyone else also interested in this, 
or am I the nerd at the party right now?


I've experienced some good and some not so good (ok, I'll say it: horrible).

Most recently I've been impressed with the checkout experience offered 
by the out-the-box design in Magento (a free, open-source online 
shopping system).


It appears to be a one-page checkout, showing you right off the bat 
that there are 6 things to go over during checkout (maybe a bit much for 
the top-level steps in the process): 1. Checkout Method, 2. Billing 
Information, 3. Shipping Information, 4. Shipping Method, 5. Payment 
information and 6. Order Review.


You find that each step is short and sweet as you're walked through the 
process and the forms are free of clutter.


I'm thinking of adopting this as my current template for basic checkout 
process.  Has anyone else on the list dabbled with ecommerce and 
checkout, or even Magento?


Comments on your dream checkout?


Mike Caskey

Denver Colorado


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[IxDA Discuss] (JOB) Sr UX Designer, Bellevue, WA, Recruiter, Contract

2008-07-15 Thread Ryan Lum
My client is looking for a CONTRACT full time ON SITE Sr. UX Designer to
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Primary Tasks will include: 

 

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Research into PORTAL / WIDGET best practices 

 

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Light-duty design work to stylize the product, but no logo / formal
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The ideal candidate will have: 

 

 

Portfolio of relevant work samples 

 

History of experience in the UX / IA / Interaction design field 

 

Proficiency with Illustrator, Photoshop, and Visio 

 

Ability to work with a product manager to evolve and document the
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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Organizing files and folders

2008-07-15 Thread Rui Ramos

On Mar 18, 2008, at 11:58 PM, Maxim Soloviev wrote:

By unknown reasons I dont like to use My Documents, right now there
are just bunch of all stuff I move here from desktop.



On Mar 18, 2008, at 6:04 PM, Leandro Alves wrote:

My music stays at iTunes library. My photos goes to iPhoto library.




A simple thought you could develop and even include on your studies if  
you find it interesting: why do people using Macs tend to use the  
'designated folders for stuff' (Downloads, Documents, Pictures...)  
much more than Windows users (and the corresponding My Documents, My  
Pictures, etc)??


I've noticed it in friends of mine who use these platforms, and even  
in me as well!! I'm a quite recent Mac user (been using Windows for  
ages) and I'm strangely finding it logical to put stuff there. Never  
did on Windows though, I always had to create work, photos,  
downloads, .. directories (or even drives) like most of you seem to do.


Maybe it's because they're more accessible using Finder? Or the fact  
the Downloads folder is on the dock, by default..
And, of course, because some of the applications just use it that way  
(iTunes, iPhoto,..).


Anyway, I don't like having to care too much about where my programs/ 
documents are stored, and that's why I totally love the Mac way, with  
programs like Spotlight/Quicksilver enabling you to instant launch  
things without the need of locating them.



Rui Ramos


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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Social sharing icons

2008-07-15 Thread Sachin Ghodke
Hello Amy,

I think you are right that they have started to appear on practically
every site these days. But does it make sense? I think what is
important here is to map or put the relevant icons on the types of
sites that are existing. By this I mean, for example: on networking
sites only networking icons should be displayed, and so on. And more
over too many clicks to get there.

However, at times I feel they are quite a distraction and they always
discourage me to visit them. The reason I am discouraged is because I
know that I need to go through the process of registering on the site
and all that stuff. A smiple waste of time if that site is not related
to my interests. 

These icons are probably another way to market website. These act as
icon advertisements as I would say (see, banner advertisements).
They are a good business tool but only if marketed well and as per my
thoughts in the first paragraph.


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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Confirm password field - Superfluous?

2008-07-15 Thread Marielle Winarto
 If this is a low security application, does it make sence
 to simply display the password when they create it?

Even for a low security application the password a user chooses can be
high security. Many people have only a small number of passwords,
which they re-use across applications. For such a user not hiding the
password means a serious security risk. I wouldn't be surprised if
people would react by choosing another password, different from their
usual and more difficult to remember (which would result in even more
helpdesk calls!).

Marielle

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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Register vs. Sing-Up vs. Join Us

2008-07-15 Thread Marielle Winarto
Sign up, register, join and create an account all have different uses.
I would try to stay close to their natural meanings. Join a club to
become a member. Create an account for financial purposes (in an
online store). Register for an event. Sign up for a newsletter.
(Please note that English is not my native language, my examples
might not be correct).

I wouldn't use the short forms /users/reg and /members/reg but I
would choose the forms /users/register and /members/register instead.


Marielle


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Re: [IxDA Discuss] statistical significance

2008-07-15 Thread Sachin Ghodke
Hello Elizabeth,

I probably may not be a complete expert on things but this is how i
would approach your problem. I would map every minute detail of the
process involved. Once having done that, i would then want to
understand the internal social fabric that would affect daily work
and find places where i would be able to stop all the unwanted time
gaps. 

This would then enable me to understand the problem in whole and then
start developing the system that will nearly take care of these
issues. Remember that during the transition from paper beauraucracy
to digital one the processess and people's work pattern needs to be
understood. Sometimes the new process that you define will find
resistance and the changes will gradually take effect to see the
results. 

If these 300 are from one department then you probably will have to
suffice understanding the work process. If they are not from one
department then you wil probably need to interview approximately 4
from each deptartment arrive at a possible solution. 

You might find it difficult to get some ready made tools to arrive at
your conclusion but if you do go by this approximation, you should be
fine.


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Re: [IxDA Discuss] statistical significance

2008-07-15 Thread Marielle Winarto
A statistical approach: you are comparing two conditions (old system
vs. new system) and have an idea about the direction of the effect
(the new system is more efficient, resulting in faster times). 

Can you make an estimate of the expected difference between the two
conditions? What is the smallest difference you would not want to
miss? It takes more measurements to detect a small difference. Look
up 'effect size' and 'statistical power'.

Are you planning to test both conditions on the same subjects or are
you planning to use two separate groups? For between-subjects
measurements there are other statistical tests than for
within-subject measurements. If everyone performs faster with the new
system (and you have been careful to control for learning effects and
other artefacts) you have a strong indication that the new system is
faster. But if you use two separate groups, there is a chance that
(by pure chance) the faster users end up in one group and the slower
users in the other. 

If you can clearly state your assumptions, determining the sample
size is pretty easy to do with basic statistics.

Marielle Winarto


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[IxDA Discuss] USID2008 Conference- Call for Papers

2008-07-15 Thread USID Team
Hi All,

USID Foundation (Formerly HCI-Hyderabad) invites  papers for USID2008
conference. The conference is planned from 4th to 6th September 2008 in
Bangalore, India.



Thanks  Regards
USID2008 Team
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Mobile: +91 9866237620

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*USID2008 Call for Papers**

*The advancement in communication and Internet technology are affecting our
life at work as well as at home. Complex social structures are evolving as a
consequence of greater mobility, online social networks and virtual
communities.

There is a need to think about the challenges and opportunities this
advancement is bringing to interface/interaction styles  design and in
creating the entire value chain that impacts the overall socio-cultural 
socio-economic development of our society.

Professionals, Academicians, Researchers and Students are invited to submit
papers addressing various design issues and insights on any of the listed
theme:


*THEMES*

   - User Interface design for online social networks and virtual
   communities
   - User Interface design and evaluation issues for small screen devices
   (Mobile Entertainment  M-Commerce)
   - Impact of Interactive technologies on work and social life
   - Practices and opportunities in User Interface design for eLearning

*ELIGIBILITY *

Open to the professionals, academicians, researchers and students.

*IMPORTANT DATES *

*Registration:* July 20th 2008
*Submission: *August 10th 2008


The papers short listed by the review panel will be presented during the
USID2008 and all accepted papers will be published in the USID2008
Conference Proceedings. Teams will be notified of acceptance or rejection
the week of August 25 2008. Authors of selected papers will be expected to
attend the conference in order to present their submissions to other
conference attendees. USID Foundation will also notify the authors through
email or phone and also through post.


For Details and Guidelines etc. visit www.usidfoundation.org/usid2008/papers

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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Behavioral patterns of an online gamer: references/experiences share needed

2008-07-15 Thread Tim
Hi Manish,

I'm not sure exactly what you're after but you might find some
usefult stuff here:

http://www.nickyee.com/daedalus/

Tim


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[IxDA Discuss] Issues with iPhone update 2.0

2008-07-15 Thread Catriona Lohan-Conway
Has anyone else lost their contacts, photos and calendar on their  
phone but not on mac? I have tried all the work arounds on  
apple.com and mobileme to push contacts but no joy. I contacted  
iPhone tech support and await their reply.

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[IxDA Discuss] deliverables with a section on menu options with their related parameters

2008-07-15 Thread Michele Marut
 All,

What is it called when you are creating deliverables with a section on menu
options with their related parameters?
Can you point me to any sample deliverables for this?
I'm most interested in references for small screens.

 Here is a link to an image that describes what I am trying to document:
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1306/699488300_6b4657dd8f.jpg?v=0

For example, a list in my deliverable might show

 volume limit  (on, off)

The other issue is creating a deliverable used by many team members. we have
one document that was all in illulstrator with such a list but now we are
wondering if we can put this section into an excel or word table for the
developers.

Thanks in advance,

Michele

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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Confirm password field - Superfluous?

2008-07-15 Thread Steven Chalmers
Password field: Momentary reveal.

The users are corporate users at call centers where they are not
allowed to be distracted by such things as e-mail and internet
access.  

The application is being developed in Silverlight so we have a lot of
functionality flexibility.  My development team and I have decided to
build a password field that reveals the character typed but only for
a moment.  Once we get that working I want them to implement
functionality that allows the user to move the character cursor
across the letters to again reveal them momentarily.  This allows the
user to review what they have typed in.

I believe this is advantageous over an extra UI control such as an
option button.


Steven



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[IxDA Discuss] Is Google trying to use human intelligence to improve search results?

2008-07-15 Thread Fred Beecher
Hi all,

Aiding my wife in playing around with a dream, I searched for france
immigration in Google. I got the following result set:

http://tinyurl.com/6pzdd7

If you've ever searched for immigration info, you know that it's very
difficult to actually get government info. The companies that help you
obtain work permits, etc. crowd the top results. Google appears to be trying
to mitigate this by prompting searchers to suggest better results.

Look at the bottom left of the screenshot... you'll see the text Know of a
better page for 'france immigration?' Suggest one. Then look at the top
right of the results... you can see the suggestions others have made as well
as review your own, very much like Wikipedia.

On the surface, this sounds like interesting interaction design... because
sometimes people really do know better than Google. But if you dig deeper,
problems appear.

First, won't the spammers have a field day with this one? If the model is
truly a Wikipedia one, then I assume normal people will have the opportunity
to redress the wrongs done by spammers... but they can be insistent (as the
640 messages in my spam box attest to). I worry that this will fail due to
the lower level of investment that normal searchers have.

Second, I haven't seen this on other searches, so Google has it targeted.
But here's the thing... once you've found the site, you typically don't run
another query that got you nowhere the first time. So how is this going to
get populated with anything useful?

My initial opinion is that this is either a Very Good Idea or a Very Bad
Idea. What do you all think?

F.

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[IxDA Discuss] [PLUG] Ten Tips for Managing A Creative Environment - July 16

2008-07-15 Thread Peter Merholz

[Apologies for cross-posting]

Tomorrow, July 16, at 10am Pacific (1pm Eastern, 5pm GMT) my  
colleagues Bryan Mason and Sarah Nelson will be giving a virtual  
seminar on their Ten Tips for Managing A Creative Environment:

http://www.adaptivepath.com/events/2008/jul/

In this talk, you'll learn approaches for developing and maintaining a  
healthy, creative environment within your organization and specific  
tools to help support the entire creative team.


This talk has been very well-received a both SXSW and Web 2.0 Expo,  
and we wanted to make it more widely available.


Use promotional code FOPM and get 15% off (this, or any of our events!)

--peter

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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Issues with iPhone update 2.0

2008-07-15 Thread David Shaw
No, but I did have an issue where I lost all my applications because my work
computer wasn't authorized.  Unfortunately I also lost all my money data
too.  Blah, it would have been nice for iTunes to have asked to authorize
that computer before syncing.

David

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Re: [IxDA Discuss] deliverables with a section on menu options with their related parameters

2008-07-15 Thread Nathan Curtis
Hi Michele,

In our work at EightShapes, we use a documentation system that enables us to
create deliverable PDFs that include linked files of artwork, probably much
like the Illustrator visualizations you may be describing.  We'd take those
illustrations, place them into a deliverable page that looks like:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/nathanacurtis/2671486436/sizes/o/

and then annotate those variations using specifically formatted annotations
for behaviors, states, editorial notes, and data formats.  Each of those
annotations may refer to marked figures on the left hand side of the page.
These deeper specs are more well suited for developers and QA, whereas we
may prepare a separate deliverable to be reviewed by project stakeholders or
other non-technical audiences.  This is made easier since the Illustrator
artwork is modularly linked and can be reused across multiple documents.

Thanks,

Nathan

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 All,

What is it called when you are creating deliverables with a section on menu
options with their related parameters?
Can you point me to any sample deliverables for this?
I'm most interested in references for small screens.

 Here is a link to an image that describes what I am trying to document:
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1306/699488300_6b4657dd8f.jpg?v=0

For example, a list in my deliverable might show

 volume limit  (on, off)

The other issue is creating a deliverable used by many team members. we have
one document that was all in illulstrator with such a list but now we are
wondering if we can put this section into an excel or word table for the
developers.

Thanks in advance,

Michele

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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Death to Personas!... webinar on Catalyze

2008-07-15 Thread Will Evans
Can't wait to see how you address Robert's spurious hypothetical
question. 


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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is Google trying to use human intelligence toimprove search results?

2008-07-15 Thread Meredith Noble
 Aiding my wife in playing around with a dream, I searched for france
 immigration in Google. I got the following result set:
 
 http://tinyurl.com/6pzdd7

Fred, thanks for pointing this out! You don't happen to have a
screenshot of what you see when you click Know of a better... do you?
I'm curious whether they wanted you to enter just a URL or also details
about why it was a good page, whether you needed a Google account, etc.

They must be A/B testing it as I just repeated the search and don't see
the recommendation link.

I can't imagine that any normal person would have the time or
inclination to fix a search that didn't perform well for them --
rather, it seems the people who would be most motivated would be
spammers and corporations. This will be an interesting one to watch.

If anyone has more info, do share!

Meredith

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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Death to Personas!... webinar on Catalyze

2008-07-15 Thread Robert Hoekman Jr

 We even address the esteemed Robert Hoekman Jr's statement: What's
 actionable about a persona? See http://www.catalyze.org/ for
 registration info.


Glad I could help you fill out your itinerary.

I guess this means I have to watch the webcast now, huh?

-r-

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Re: [IxDA Discuss] ANN: Kevin Cheng's new book-in-progress

2008-07-15 Thread dave malouf
This is great news. Congrats Kevin  Lou.

As a tangent, Understanding Comics has come up a lot lately in my
work and teaching. The reference is usually around documenting RIAs or
any highly dynamic application. The reason is that comics is not just
a great way to communicate ideas, but have a language for
communicating motion, time, message, emotion, etc. that can really be
useful when trying to communicate complex interactions.

Check it out! Understanding Comics (Scott MacCloud) .

-- dave


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[IxDA Discuss] Article: Is Google Making Us Stoopid? from The Atlantic.com

2008-07-15 Thread Gloria Petron
Interesting food for thought.
Best,
Gloria

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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Article: Is Google Making Us Stoopid? from The Atlantic.com

2008-07-15 Thread Shaun Bergmann
There's something humorous hidden here.  Either in the fact that there was
no link attached, or in how easy it was to google the referenced article.
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200807/google


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[IxDA Discuss] Contextual Marketing

2008-07-15 Thread john
Very nice little 'application' on CNN. (http://www.cnn.com/)

 

Click on  the little t-shirt icons.

 

Done by the http://www.barbariangroup.com/

 

Such a simple interaction device; intriguing and marketable.


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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Article: Is Google Making Us Stoopid? from The Atlantic.com

2008-07-15 Thread Gloria Petron
LOL - sorry about that. :-)

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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Article: Is Google Making Us Stoopid? from The Atlantic.com

2008-07-15 Thread Oleh Kovalchuke
The factual intelligence benefits from briefness -- most ideas can be
expressed in few sentences (see Strunk, for example).

The emotional intelligence (as well as closely related BS) is not going to
be influenced by the efficiency of Google.

Incidentally, I found the article too wordy for the ideas it described, but
emotionally satisfying (just like I found 'War and Peace' too wordy, when I
have read it long time ago).

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 http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200807/google


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  Best,
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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Article: Is Google Making Us Stoopid? from The Atlantic.com

2008-07-15 Thread Christine Boese
LOL! I thought it was on purpose, to reinforce the point of the article!

Chris

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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Confirm password field - Superfluous?

2008-07-15 Thread Sachin Ghodke
There are two ways to look at this and before that i would like to say
that the confirm password is essential at the current stage that it
is. By this i mean it is important to verify user key strokes even if
means that most of the users do pay attention or are concentrating the
most while typing the password.

The two ways to look at this are:
(1) Keep the confirm password fields as they are for the reason i
mentioned above.
(2) Keep a single field but do not mystify the password by displaying
asterix in the field. If verification for password is needed then
simply display what is actually being typed rather than displaying
encrypted field entry. This way the user will know what is being
typed and can visually verify it if he/she has got it right. This
will safely eliminate the single password entry error issue. And we
really do not need to show encrypted field entry after all the
password need not be hidden from the person who is typing it.

Another way that i felt was quite innovative was the way i registered
on IxDA. I registered from my office. And when i wanted to access the
website again from home, this instance i was again asked to verify my
name and mail. My guess, is that this is being done by mapping either
the MAC id of your machine or your Machine IP address. If this is the
case then it provides sensitive information to third party. But since
we know that IxDA is a very serious community it is obvious that this
personal information will 'never' be misused. This is only if IxDA
has configured the Sign In process to the website.

Having said all this, my best bet would be #2 if you want to push
your idea across.


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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is Google trying to use human intelligence toimprove search results?

2008-07-15 Thread Marielle Winarto
Google is experimenting with the feature Edit search results. More info
on: http://www.google.com/support/faqs/?editresults

Know of a better page is just one of the features they are testing. The
others are:
- Like it?
- Don't like it?
- Make a comment

As I understand it, user input will mainly affect their personalized
results. In this way, spam shouldn't be a problem.

Marielle Winarto

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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Article: Is Google Making Us Stoopid? from TheAtlantic.com

2008-07-15 Thread Jackie O'Hare
 
Incidentally, I found the article too wordy for the ideas it described,
but emotionally satisfying (just like I found 'War and Peace' too wordy,
when I have read it long time ago).
--

I totally agree.  I found myself wondering whether it was done
intentionally - as though the author was providing an example of the
types of articles that we are inclined to glean for meaning.  It seemed
a little meta in that way.

I also found reading this article online a very interesting experience.
I wonder how the experience of reading it would be different if you were
reading the print article in the physical magazine.


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Re: [IxDA Discuss] deliverables with a section on menu options with their related parameters

2008-07-15 Thread Jakob Biesterfeldt
Hi,

Nokia calls this a Settings Screen: 

http://tinyurl.com/5cc83a

Cheers,
Jakob


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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Marking Required vs. Optional form fields

2008-07-15 Thread Mudit Mittal
Hi all,

I recently designed a form for a banking application where I marked optional
fields as (Optional) with reduced font size (2 pts less). I've used the same
form language to add instructions to some complex/confusing labels, where
required.

Just seeking an opinion on the approach I took.

Regards,
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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Article: Is Google Making Us Stoopid? from TheAtlantic.com

2008-07-15 Thread Sebi Tauciuc
Too long for me. Gave up reading up after two paragraphs. Does this prove
the article's point?

Sebi

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 Incidentally, I found the article too wordy for the ideas it described,
 but emotionally satisfying (just like I found 'War and Peace' too wordy,
 when I have read it long time ago).
 --

 I totally agree.  I found myself wondering whether it was done
 intentionally - as though the author was providing an example of the
 types of articles that we are inclined to glean for meaning.  It seemed
 a little meta in that way.

 I also found reading this article online a very interesting experience.
 I wonder how the experience of reading it would be different if you were
 reading the print article in the physical magazine.



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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Contextual awareness on mobile apps

2008-07-15 Thread Bryan J Busch
Dan,

Did you see the mobile version of OmniFocus? From their intro page
(http://www.omnigroup.com/applications/omnifocus/iphone/):

%u201CUsing your location, OmniFocus can create a custom list of
actions to complete nearby. Buying groceries? OmniFocus can show you
the closest grocery store and create an instant shopping list.%u201D

In fact, I just now noticed that it can run standalone on the iPhone
(not needing to sync with my Mac at home), so I'm going to pay for
it right now and see how things go.


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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Article: Is Google Making Us Stoopid? from TheAtlantic.com

2008-07-15 Thread Will Evans
There are so many ways in which this article is bad. Bad research, bad
writing, faulty conclusions based on shakey premises. The title alone should
shy people away - it's sensationalistic. First - the author has no ability
to discern the difference between intellect/intelligence and literacy, or
intelligence and focus. This is not merely a matter of semantics. To use the
word 'stupid' implies that google indeed reduces I.Q. yet the author never
discusses intelligence anywhere in the article - he discusses focus, and
literacy. Further, his issue is not with Google qua Google - but with
Hypertext. Very, very different things. A well researched criticism of
hypertext as a medium, and it's effects on cognition would have been
interesting. This was not.

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Sebi Tauciuc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Too long for me. Gave up reading up after two paragraphs. Does this prove
 the article's point?

 Sebi

 On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Jackie O'Hare [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 
  Incidentally, I found the article too wordy for the ideas it described,
  but emotionally satisfying (just like I found 'War and Peace' too wordy,
  when I have read it long time ago).
  --
 
  I totally agree.  I found myself wondering whether it was done
  intentionally - as though the author was providing an example of the
  types of articles that we are inclined to glean for meaning.  It seemed
  a little meta in that way.
 
  I also found reading this article online a very interesting experience.
  I wonder how the experience of reading it would be different if you were
  reading the print article in the physical magazine.
 
 
 
 --
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Re: [IxDA Discuss] deliverables with a section on menu options with their related parameters

2008-07-15 Thread Michele Marut
Jakob, 
This document displays the interactions very nicely. 
When it says 
- The setting value list uses one-row choice items.
If the setting contains no value, the dynamic part displays %u201CNo
value,%u201D where the value equals the item
name, for example, %u201CNo image.%u201D - where does a developer go
to get the names of the settings and dynamic information? 

Thank you,
Michele


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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Article: Is Google Making Us Stoopid? from TheAtlantic.com

2008-07-15 Thread Christine Boese
gotta wade through all this thick ironizing here do y'all use spray
starch to help make the author's point? LOL.

Chris

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Jackie O'Hare [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:


 Incidentally, I found the article too wordy for the ideas it described,
 but emotionally satisfying (just like I found 'War and Peace' too wordy,
 when I have read it long time ago).
 --

 I totally agree.  I found myself wondering whether it was done
 intentionally - as though the author was providing an example of the
 types of articles that we are inclined to glean for meaning.  It seemed
 a little meta in that way.

 I also found reading this article online a very interesting experience.
 I wonder how the experience of reading it would be different if you were
 reading the print article in the physical magazine.

 
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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Article: Is Google Making Us Stoopid? from TheAtlantic.com

2008-07-15 Thread Christine Boese
Generally, none of those adjectives readily describe Atlantic Monthly
articles (which also regularly hew to a requisite length-- 2,000 to 5,000
words-- I used to submit essays, and have the yellowing rejection slips to
prove it-- of which readers of the New Yorker and Harpers are also
accustomed).

Sensationalistic, bad research, bad writing. I've heard the Atlantic
criticized for being too conservative, too over-researched, too constipated
(that last one comes from me, over the past 20 years), but RARELY would
anyone hear it called sensationalistic, and this is old school magazine
writing, fact-checked to death over a full month or more. The Atlantic is
known for publishing some of the best writing in the country.

I'm just saying. Putting the Atlantic Monthly in the same category with,
say, a Murdoch publication, begs absurdity.

On the other hand, I may have come across a error in it myself, but it may
be more along the quibble my old journalism prof had with saying a student
graduated instead of was graduated. I take special joy in finding these
things, mostly because my wonderful old prof has passed away, and somebody
ought to still be able to do what he did, quibble, just to keep his memory
alive.

Chris


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wrote:

 There are so many ways in which this article is bad. Bad research, bad
 writing, faulty conclusions based on shakey premises. The title alone
 should
 shy people away - it's sensationalistic. First - the author has no ability
 to discern the difference between intellect/intelligence and literacy, or
 intelligence and focus. This is not merely a matter of semantics. To use
 the
 word 'stupid' implies that google indeed reduces I.Q. yet the author never
 discusses intelligence anywhere in the article - he discusses focus, and
 literacy. Further, his issue is not with Google qua Google - but with
 Hypertext. Very, very different things. A well researched criticism of
 hypertext as a medium, and it's effects on cognition would have been
 interesting. This was not.

 On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Sebi Tauciuc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Too long for me. Gave up reading up after two paragraphs. Does this prove
  the article's point?
 
  Sebi
 
  On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Jackie O'Hare [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  wrote:
 
  
   Incidentally, I found the article too wordy for the ideas it
 described,
   but emotionally satisfying (just like I found 'War and Peace' too
 wordy,
   when I have read it long time ago).
   --
  
   I totally agree.  I found myself wondering whether it was done
   intentionally - as though the author was providing an example of the
   types of articles that we are inclined to glean for meaning.  It seemed
   a little meta in that way.
  
   I also found reading this article online a very interesting experience.
   I wonder how the experience of reading it would be different if you
 were
   reading the print article in the physical magazine.
  
  
  
  --
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  http://www.sergiutauciuc.ro/en/
  
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[IxDA Discuss] (Job) Interaction Designer at Qik, Inc., Full-time, San Francisco Bay Area

2008-07-15 Thread Nancy Broden
This is a great opportunity to work with a tight-knit team on a  
service that is revolutionizing the way people share video with their  
networks. Our service crosses platform, so we are interested in  
talking with interaction designers who have web-only experience but  
are interested in learning more about the mobile space, as well as IDs  
who've worked in mobile and are looking for a chance to broaden their  
experience.


Please submit your resume with a portfolio website to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
Candidates are strongly encouraged to have an online portfolio for  
best consideration.


This position is located in Redwood City, CA. Only candidates with  
proper permits to work in the United States can be considered.  
Relocation assistance is available for qualified candidates.


Nancy Broden
Director of User Experience, Qik, Inc.
--

Job Description
Qik, Inc. is looking for a mid-level interaction designer to join its  
User Experience team on a permanent, full-time basis. The interaction  
designer should have a strong understanding of the user-centered  
design process and be comfortable working independently alongside  
design and engineering team members. The ideal candidate should have  
2-3 years of experience designing interfaces for the web and/or mobile  
and feel comfortable in a fast-paced startup environment.


About Qik
Qik (http://qik.com) enables camera-equipped mobile phones to stream  
live video to the world via 3G, GPRS and Wi-Fi networks. Qik is  
changing the way people communicate and interact with others by  
letting them share what they see and interact with friends, family or  
a broader audience in real-time.


Qik is a well-funded startup offering competitive compensation  
packages and great benefits. We are located steps from the Caltrain  
station in Redwood City, 30 minutes from San Francisco and San Jose by  
bullet train. Our office is around the corner from outstanding live  
music at the Fox and Little Fox Theatres, across the street from free  
entertainment in Courthouse Square, and surrounded by a wide array of  
restaurants. If you are excited at the thought of designing a new way  
for people create and share experiences with others, we’d like to  
speak with you!


Responsibilities include:
- performing heuristic audits
- developing conceptual models, personas, scenarios and storyboards
- defining user task and interaction flows
- creating screen- and page-level interaction designs
- writing user interface specifications that capture proposed designs  
in details
- working with a multi-disciplinary team to evaluate the feasibility  
of proposed solutions.


Required qualifications:
- strong understanding and demonstrable experience of user-centered  
design process
- 2+ years designing effective interfaces for mobile applications and/ 
or consumer facing web-based applications
- undergraduate degree in relevant field and/or equivalent work  
experience
- ability to communicate conceptual ideas and design rationale to  
other members of the design, development and executive team
- working experience with appropriate design tools including  
OmniGraffle, Adobe CS, etc. as they relate to documenting interface  
flows and screen- or page-level features and functionality

- focused attention to detail
- sense of humor and positive, flexible attitude
- ability to multi-task and work on competing tasks with tight timelines
- strong interpersonal, communication and problem-solving skills
- comfortable working in a fast-paced, dynamic startup environment

Desired qualifications:
- prefer candidates with previous experience in an agency setting and/ 
or OEM/wireless carrier background
- domain experience in relevant technologies (J2ME, WAP) and platforms  
(J2ME, Symbian, MS, iPhone, Blackberry)

advanced degree in relevant field
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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Article: Is Google Making Us Stoopid? from The Atlantic.com

2008-07-15 Thread Kelly Baker
Regardless of the article's inappropriate title, the author seems to
be missing the nature of how most people read on the internet. IMO,
skimming the internet is much more akin to reading a newspaper than
reading a novel, or an article in a journal - we scan the headlines
looking for something that peaks our interest, and if we find
something, we continue to read. The rest is discarded. It feels like
the author is looking at the issue kind of backwards. Instead of a
short attention span, this method seems to be an efficient way of
sorting through tons of material.

I'll agree that this article is way too long. It easily could have
been edited to one quarter of the length without losing any actual
content. I'm guessing that was on purpose!


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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Article: Is Google Making Us Stoopid? from The Atlantic.com

2008-07-15 Thread Lada Gorlenko
 I'll agree that this article is way too long. It easily could have
 been edited to one quarter of the length without losing any actual
 content. I'm guessing that was on purpose!

Short articles typically aim at PROVIDING INFORMATION; long articles
often try to MAKE THE READER THINK. Atlantic is well-known for it's
thought-provoking publications. If the article didn't deliver the
thinking part, there is a slight chance that the author is right :-)

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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Article: Is Google Making Us Stoopid? from TheAtlantic.com

2008-07-15 Thread Will Evans
True -

But did the writer ever answer or even deal with the title - Does Google
make people stupid? What I meant by sensationalistic is that he/editor
intentionally choose google to grab readers even if the article had nothing
to do with Google search making people cognitively impaired. The article had
to do with the nature of hypertext, which I know you know - has been well
researched.

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Christine Boese [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Generally, none of those adjectives readily describe Atlantic Monthly
 articles (which also regularly hew to a requisite length-- 2,000 to 5,000
 words-- I used to submit essays, and have the yellowing rejection slips to
 prove it-- of which readers of the New Yorker and Harpers are also
 accustomed).

 Sensationalistic, bad research, bad writing. I've heard the Atlantic
 criticized for being too conservative, too over-researched, too constipated
 (that last one comes from me, over the past 20 years), but RARELY would
 anyone hear it called sensationalistic, and this is old school magazine
 writing, fact-checked to death over a full month or more. The Atlantic is
 known for publishing some of the best writing in the country.

 I'm just saying. Putting the Atlantic Monthly in the same category with,
 say, a Murdoch publication, begs absurdity.

 On the other hand, I may have come across a error in it myself, but it may
 be more along the quibble my old journalism prof had with saying a student
 graduated instead of was graduated. I take special joy in finding these
 things, mostly because my wonderful old prof has passed away, and somebody
 ought to still be able to do what he did, quibble, just to keep his memory
 alive.

 Chris


 On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 4:02 PM, Will Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

  There are so many ways in which this article is bad. Bad research, bad
  writing, faulty conclusions based on shakey premises. The title alone
  should
  shy people away - it's sensationalistic. First - the author has no
 ability
  to discern the difference between intellect/intelligence and literacy, or
  intelligence and focus. This is not merely a matter of semantics. To use
  the
  word 'stupid' implies that google indeed reduces I.Q. yet the author
 never
  discusses intelligence anywhere in the article - he discusses focus, and
  literacy. Further, his issue is not with Google qua Google - but with
  Hypertext. Very, very different things. A well researched criticism of
  hypertext as a medium, and it's effects on cognition would have been
  interesting. This was not.
 
  On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Sebi Tauciuc [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
   Too long for me. Gave up reading up after two paragraphs. Does this
 prove
   the article's point?
  
   Sebi
  
   On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Jackie O'Hare 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
   wrote:
  
   
Incidentally, I found the article too wordy for the ideas it
  described,
but emotionally satisfying (just like I found 'War and Peace' too
  wordy,
when I have read it long time ago).
--
   
I totally agree.  I found myself wondering whether it was done
intentionally - as though the author was providing an example of the
types of articles that we are inclined to glean for meaning.  It
 seemed
a little meta in that way.
   
I also found reading this article online a very interesting
 experience.
I wonder how the experience of reading it would be different if you
  were
reading the print article in the physical magazine.
   
   
   
   --
   Sergiu Sebastian Tauciuc
   http://www.sergiutauciuc.ro/en/
   
   Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Article: Is Google Making Us Stoopid? from TheAtlantic.com

2008-07-15 Thread Christine Boese
I was struck just the other day by a Marshall McLuhan quotation I hadn't
looked at in a good long while. It really shocked me out of my perspective,
sort of a revisioning, or perhaps, McLuhan might say, with time, I began to
recognize the pattern in the media reversal.

It was his famous bit about the global village in Gutenberg Galaxy.
Understanding Media is always fresher in my head, but like I said, a new
perspective, something I was reading in wikipedia, put it to me in another
way, not highlighting the interconnectedness of the global village, but
rather it's TRIBAL nature, particularly McLuhan's warning (yes, warning)
against FEAR as part and parcel of tribal-ness.

Namely, I got a dose of post-9/11 McLuhan, which I'd actually read some
years before. McLuhan didn't think the global village was such a good thing.
Sort of in the Ong sense, he did think it dumbed a culture down, even if he
was a big bad old technological determinist.

So McLuhan, in his riff on media being the message/massage, made the point
it doesn't matter what [Google] says/does, the message is irrelevant. The
message OF THE MEDIA is go tribal, go stupid. So you could watch PBS 24/7,
McLuhan would argue, and the predominant message you would get is go tribal,
go stupid, live in tribal fear.

Now how's that for some provocative food for thought?

Chris

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Will Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 True -

 But did the writer ever answer or even deal with the title - Does Google
 make people stupid? What I meant by sensationalistic is that he/editor
 intentionally choose google to grab readers even if the article had nothing
 to do with Google search making people cognitively impaired. The article had
 to do with the nature of hypertext, which I know you know - has been well
 researched.


 On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Christine Boese 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Generally, none of those adjectives readily describe Atlantic Monthly
 articles (which also regularly hew to a requisite length-- 2,000 to 5,000
 words-- I used to submit essays, and have the yellowing rejection slips to
 prove it-- of which readers of the New Yorker and Harpers are also
 accustomed).

 Sensationalistic, bad research, bad writing. I've heard the Atlantic
 criticized for being too conservative, too over-researched, too
 constipated
 (that last one comes from me, over the past 20 years), but RARELY would
 anyone hear it called sensationalistic, and this is old school magazine
 writing, fact-checked to death over a full month or more. The Atlantic is
 known for publishing some of the best writing in the country.

 I'm just saying. Putting the Atlantic Monthly in the same category with,
 say, a Murdoch publication, begs absurdity.

 On the other hand, I may have come across a error in it myself, but it may
 be more along the quibble my old journalism prof had with saying a student
 graduated instead of was graduated. I take special joy in finding
 these
 things, mostly because my wonderful old prof has passed away, and somebody
 ought to still be able to do what he did, quibble, just to keep his memory
 alive.

 Chris


 On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 4:02 PM, Will Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

  There are so many ways in which this article is bad. Bad research, bad
  writing, faulty conclusions based on shakey premises. The title alone
  should
  shy people away - it's sensationalistic. First - the author has no
 ability
  to discern the difference between intellect/intelligence and literacy,
 or
  intelligence and focus. This is not merely a matter of semantics. To use
  the
  word 'stupid' implies that google indeed reduces I.Q. yet the author
 never
  discusses intelligence anywhere in the article - he discusses focus, and
  literacy. Further, his issue is not with Google qua Google - but with
  Hypertext. Very, very different things. A well researched criticism of
  hypertext as a medium, and it's effects on cognition would have been
  interesting. This was not.
 
  On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Sebi Tauciuc [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
   Too long for me. Gave up reading up after two paragraphs. Does this
 prove
   the article's point?
  
   Sebi
  
   On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Jackie O'Hare 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
   wrote:
  
   
Incidentally, I found the article too wordy for the ideas it
  described,
but emotionally satisfying (just like I found 'War and Peace' too
  wordy,
when I have read it long time ago).
--
   
I totally agree.  I found myself wondering whether it was done
intentionally - as though the author was providing an example of the
types of articles that we are inclined to glean for meaning.  It
 seemed
a little meta in that way.
   
I also found reading this article online a very interesting
 experience.
I wonder how the experience of reading it would be different if you
  were
reading the print article in the physical magazine.
   
   
   

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Article: Is Google Making Us Stoopid? from TheAtlantic.com

2008-07-15 Thread Will Evans
We have already gone/been tribal. Look at your twitter connections - that is
your tribe. And the tribes boundries is the map without a territory because
it exists in Eco's hyperreality.

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 8:19 PM, Christine Boese [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 I was struck just the other day by a Marshall McLuhan quotation I hadn't
 looked at in a good long while. It really shocked me out of my perspective,
 sort of a revisioning, or perhaps, McLuhan might say, with time, I began to
 recognize the pattern in the media reversal.

 It was his famous bit about the global village in Gutenberg Galaxy.
 Understanding Media is always fresher in my head, but like I said, a new
 perspective, something I was reading in wikipedia, put it to me in another
 way, not highlighting the interconnectedness of the global village, but
 rather it's TRIBAL nature, particularly McLuhan's warning (yes, warning)
 against FEAR as part and parcel of tribal-ness.

 Namely, I got a dose of post-9/11 McLuhan, which I'd actually read some
 years before. McLuhan didn't think the global village was such a good
 thing.
 Sort of in the Ong sense, he did think it dumbed a culture down, even if he
 was a big bad old technological determinist.

 So McLuhan, in his riff on media being the message/massage, made the point
 it doesn't matter what [Google] says/does, the message is irrelevant. The
 message OF THE MEDIA is go tribal, go stupid. So you could watch PBS 24/7,
 McLuhan would argue, and the predominant message you would get is go
 tribal,
 go stupid, live in tribal fear.

 Now how's that for some provocative food for thought?

 Chris

 On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Will Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

  True -
 
  But did the writer ever answer or even deal with the title - Does Google
  make people stupid? What I meant by sensationalistic is that he/editor
  intentionally choose google to grab readers even if the article had
 nothing
  to do with Google search making people cognitively impaired. The article
 had
  to do with the nature of hypertext, which I know you know - has been well
  researched.
 
 
  On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Christine Boese 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Generally, none of those adjectives readily describe Atlantic Monthly
  articles (which also regularly hew to a requisite length-- 2,000 to
 5,000
  words-- I used to submit essays, and have the yellowing rejection slips
 to
  prove it-- of which readers of the New Yorker and Harpers are also
  accustomed).
 
  Sensationalistic, bad research, bad writing. I've heard the Atlantic
  criticized for being too conservative, too over-researched, too
  constipated
  (that last one comes from me, over the past 20 years), but RARELY would
  anyone hear it called sensationalistic, and this is old school
 magazine
  writing, fact-checked to death over a full month or more. The Atlantic
 is
  known for publishing some of the best writing in the country.
 
  I'm just saying. Putting the Atlantic Monthly in the same category with,
  say, a Murdoch publication, begs absurdity.
 
  On the other hand, I may have come across a error in it myself, but it
 may
  be more along the quibble my old journalism prof had with saying a
 student
  graduated instead of was graduated. I take special joy in finding
  these
  things, mostly because my wonderful old prof has passed away, and
 somebody
  ought to still be able to do what he did, quibble, just to keep his
 memory
  alive.
 
  Chris
 
 
  On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 4:02 PM, Will Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
 
   There are so many ways in which this article is bad. Bad research, bad
   writing, faulty conclusions based on shakey premises. The title alone
   should
   shy people away - it's sensationalistic. First - the author has no
  ability
   to discern the difference between intellect/intelligence and literacy,
  or
   intelligence and focus. This is not merely a matter of semantics. To
 use
   the
   word 'stupid' implies that google indeed reduces I.Q. yet the author
  never
   discusses intelligence anywhere in the article - he discusses focus,
 and
   literacy. Further, his issue is not with Google qua Google - but with
   Hypertext. Very, very different things. A well researched criticism of
   hypertext as a medium, and it's effects on cognition would have been
   interesting. This was not.
  
   On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Sebi Tauciuc [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
  
Too long for me. Gave up reading up after two paragraphs. Does this
  prove
the article's point?
   
Sebi
   
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Jackie O'Hare 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
wrote:
   

 Incidentally, I found the article too wordy for the ideas it
   described,
 but emotionally satisfying (just like I found 'War and Peace' too
   wordy,
 when I have read it long time ago).
 --

 I totally agree.  I found myself wondering whether it was done
 intentionally - as