[IxDA Discuss] Returned mail: Data format error
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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Returned mail: Data format error
Hi All, I'm hoping you could advice me on some prototyping tools for websites and potentially mobile devices? I'm wondering about: - intuitiveness of a tool's interface - complexity of UI that can be achieved - the quality of auto-generated code Perhaps I missed an important factor that should be considered? Best, Konrad . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=32712 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
[IxDA Discuss] [event] 90 Mobiles in 90 Days Celebration
My friend and colleague, Rachel Hinman, started on a personal creative challenge about 3 months ago to explore mobile design concepts - 1 idea a day! It's been an amazing creative journey for her! I have so much respect and admiration for her dedication and the amazing ideas she's generated and shared with the world - check out her blog: http://90mobilesin90days.com/index/ In honor of her completing the 90th day, we are hosting a party at the Adaptive Path San Francisco office on Weds September 17th. Come celebrate with us! Please RSVP on upcoming: http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/1077637 Hope to see you there! Wednesday September 17, 2008 from 6:30pm - 8:30pm Adaptive Path 363 Brannan Street San Francisco, California 94107 Here are some additional links to learn more about the project and Rachel: http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/2008/06/20/creative-recovery-90- mobiles-in-90-days/ http://90mobilesin90days.com/index/?page_id=51 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Disability Discrimination Act and AJAX
From Mike Zarro Nicholas makes a great point. The best (and only?) way to ensure accessibility is to test with users who make use of assistive technologies (not just screen readers). It is essential to take this a step further: The best (and only?) way to ensure accessibility is to test with users who have disabilities. Reason: lots of people with disabilities (the majority, even?) don't have any assistive technologies. Example: the very large numbers of people with age-related eyesight problems. Example: the people with cognitive disabilities. There are very few assistive technologies that will help with text that's too difficult to understand. Possibly none. And it's also important to understand that people with disabilities who use assistive technologies may use those technologies in a different way to people without disabilities who use them. Example: many people with disabilities who use a screen reader 'speed hear' in a way that the casual user of a screen reader wouldn't be able to emulate. Longer article on the topic of working with assistive technologies as a non-disabled person: http://www.usabilitynews.com/news/article1773.asp best Caroline Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
[IxDA Discuss] RE : Re: Firefly
Don't buy the Firefly DVDs if you like the kind of science fiction that's based on at least a minimum of science ideas or a minimum of technology ideas. Firefly makes no pretense and I mean absolutely no pretense of having some kind of grounding in the idea-driven SF classics, the kind written by Asimov, Clarke or Heinlein, or by any author who got printed by Astounding/Analog or Galaxy. A friend of mine recommended the series, and there were rave reviews all over the Web. I bought all of the DVDs based on those recomendations. I watcehd each eapisode, with no distractions, so I know what I'm talking about. And yeah, it's also rotten if you're interested in the way SF portrays interfaces of the future. Alain Me too - I was going to say - definitely purchase it - one of the best shows of the last 10 years. Well worth the price of the dvds. Offrez un compte Flickr Pro à vos amis et à votre famille. http://www.flickr.com/gift/ Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] A New Browser: Google Chrome
Regarding the security issues: One major difference between Browser resident apps and Air and JavaApps are the security parameters. Since it is installed it falls under that part of the controlled OS which can be blocked by Administrators, so the sandbox that Flash traditionally has for example is not really found (or externalized) in AIR apps (basically the same technology). While you discuss the various securities for the apps in the browser a colleague and I discovered a quite critical security issue with Chrome as a windows application: Chrome do not install itself in the OS application area x:\Program Files it installs in the users local account area. On WIndows XP there is not any immediate difference around this, security wise. But it makes room for a huge security hole in Vista. The user area is fully writable and any application might write to this area (even malicious). If the application would reside in x:\Program Files (as it should) UAC would kick in an save the user. For more information check: blog.reis.sehttp://blog.reis.se/2008/09/05/GoogleChromeCriticalSecurityIssues.aspxand techie notpadhttp://blog.noop.se/archive/2008/09/05/google-chrome-plays-outside-of-vista-security-zones.aspxaround this issue and also what Chrome leaves behindhttp://myitforum.com/cs2/blogs/rtrent/archive/2008/09/03/here-s-what-chrome-s-uninstall-leaves-behind.aspx . So we have an app that can update what ever it wants without noticing you and even if you remove it it will leave the updater behind. --- Håkan Reis Dotway AB +46(768)510033 My blog || http://blog.reis.se My company || http://dotway.se Our conference || http://oredev.org - See you in 2008 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
[IxDA Discuss] Interview with Google Chrome Team
For anyone interested in trying to revive the IxDA dead horse called Google Chrome, Steve Gillmor had an excellent interview with the product manager and UI developer. Lots of things we discussed here were talked about in the interview, confirming my thinking on where they are going. Gillmor's synopsis: http://tinyurl.com/5bv645 The audio of the interview: http://tinyurl.com/64bcbz Jared Jared M. Spool User Interface Engineering 510 Turnpike St., Suite 102, North Andover, MA 01845 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] p: +1 978 327 5561 http://uie.com Blog: http://uie.com/brainsparks Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Interview with Google Chrome Team
On Sep 6, 2008, at 4:59 PM, Jared Spool wrote: For anyone interested in trying to revive the IxDA dead horse called Google Chrome, Steve Gillmor had an excellent interview with the product manager and UI developer. Lots of things we discussed here were talked about in the interview, confirming my thinking on where they are going. They keep saying they want people to make cool web apps, but that they are still going to operate fundamentally as Web Browser #4, they'll be OpenSource and they'll follow web standards. I have to believe they are being honest. Nothing tells me they are trying to be devious here. So... The only way I think they can begin to believe that premise is that they also believe that an SDI application model is sufficient for everything that can be considered a web application. That Google Docs, Spreadsheet, Maps, and a whole host of certain kind of apps can be sustained in single window interfaces and be completely self- contained. That's where the breakdown occurs for me. Web apps currently work in an SDI mode, and a fairly limited SDI mode at that. You can't take over the keyboard interaction, you can't make floating palettes or slave windows that are aware of each other to pass data via a common pipe, and you can't do other things like use OS alerts, OS dialogs, etc. And web apps in that SDI model have to worry abut the address bar, the back button, and other browsing interactions resident inside a web browser that have nothing to do with more tool oriented application interactions. Given all of that, they are basically building Browser #4, and all innovation will stop there, or at least innovation done there will be done across the browsers, and nothing will be done for Chrome specifically. Their route is certainly legit (even Photoshop Lightroom works largely in an SDI conceptual model so that type of interface approach can certainly do a lot if the task at hand is reasonably specific), but in going this route, it will be clear that the RIA+ route of AIR will be very different, as the RIA+ route will head back towards more fully fleshed out little desktop applications. Who will win? Not sure I care. I don't pick sides in these sorts of things. I just design what I have to for whatever I'm asked to do it for. But there is a big difference between Chrome being Browser #4 and Chrome being a new application platform that happens to use OpenSource web technologies but plans on making a clean break from being a browser. As I'm sure you might have guessed... I wish they'd do the latter. If they did, we'd have a lot of choices going forward to make software: traditional web browser for more service like applications, richer web application platforms for more robust tool-like apps, RIA+ using proprietary tech for even more complex tool-like apps, and good old traditional desktop application built right on the OS itself to do whatever the heck you want. But Chrome in its current trajectory is clearly not going to help me with what we design anytime soon, as being Browser #4 will only mean for me that things will largely be faster. It won't solve the problems of trying to build multi-window, rich interaction based web applications that just happen to use a lot of web technologies at its base instead of a proprietary technology like Flex, et al. Ah well. -- Andrei Herasimchuk Principal, Involution Studios innovating the digital world e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] c. +1 408 306 6422 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Why are password fields asterisked on join-up forms?
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 9:15 AM, Guillermo Ermel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In Palm OS, when you type a password, each letter you type remains on the screen for a moment, and THEN becomes an asterisk. That way, you get feedback on what you just typed, which makes it unnecesary to type it twice in two different input fields The same thing happens in password fields on the iphone and I remember thinking ..what a super useful feature! 1. Nick Gassman - Wednesday, 1:07pm When you fill in a form to sign up to a website, the password field, but not the username, is usually asterisked. Is it to avoid the risk of someone peering over your shoulder? Yes. But I've come across a better solution to the asterisk+double input field pattern. It will not work in web browsers, but I think it adds up to this discussion. In Palm OS, when you type a password, each letter you type remains on the screen for a moment, and THEN becomes an asterisk. That way, you get feedback on what you just typed, which makes it unnecesary to type it twice in two different input fields. Please note that usage context IS different, since it is easier to hide the palm device from peeking eyes while entering the password, but it's not that easy to do so with a big 17 computer display sitting on your desk. And sometimes when they aren't asterisked, you have to type the password in twice, but not the username. What's the rationale for that? That's just a plain mistake :-) Users CAN read it, so they don't need it twice. Guillermo -- Guillermo Ermel Responsable de usabilidad MercadoLibre.com Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] 37 Signals Change Management for IE6 Phase Out
Being a web developer I think this is a very good thing. IE6 is old (~7 years?) and broken in a lot of ways. While it might not be the best way to go about announcing discontinued support for IE6, it is progress in the right direction. Think if we still had to support NS4 or IE4 (*ducks* I'm sure someone out there still has to. Sorry.)? I've been waiting for announcements like this for a while now. If 37signals has the data to back up their decision I don't see this as a problem. I'm sure they have been looking at their webstats and have found that IE6 users have been dropping off left and right. I figure they found the magic number at which to stop support. The web is about change. When was the last time you used a piece of software for 7 years without upgrading? Andrew Jaswa On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 8:54 AM, Nasir Barday [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 37 Signals decided to pick August 15th, no wait, October 1st, as the day when they would phase out IE6: http://37signals.blogs.com/products/2008/07/basecamp-phasin.html They must have been barraged with e-mails from angry users (probably already angry at Basecamp's extraterrestrial interface ...), because they posted a clarification: http://37signals.blogs.com/products/2008/09/further-clarifi.html Whoops, phase-out? Probably a stronger phrase than they intended. And nothing is going to happen on that day-- no features that are compatible only with the latest browsers, nothing to break current functionality-- so why make an announcement like this? With no concrete incentive to upgrade, the decision for the user to upgrade is arbitrary, and most people will put it off until it actually matters. This announcement strikes me as premature. Maybe I'm just being whiny on a Friday morning ... Happy Friday, - Nasir Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help -- Andrew Jaswa andrewjaswa.com wsuug.org Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] A New Browser: Google Chrome
Hi Dave, Imho is a matter of expectation. I`m not a big user of AIR apps, but those that I tested delivered a slightly different experience than a regular webpage app. Some of the UI elements (note that AIR`s default color is black/dark grey, instead of a plain white - empty - page), the apps flow, plus their size (in bytes) makes them fill more like an installed application that turns to be connected to some web resource. Add the possibility to control hardware, local file system access, network detection and the other features and you`ll start to feel like using a desktop, but connected, app, thus, expecting a desktop behavior, while with prism, and maybe chrome (I`m a mac user, so i haven`t tested it yet) you still expects a webapp behavior. wyt? Ricardo Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 06:59:37 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] A New Browser: Google Chrome CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Luiz, I see your point and feel similarly.But then why does AIR work? Its not a rhetorical question, BTW. I mean from an IxD perspective isn't AIR just the same thing, except running HTML it is running Flash, which for all intent and purposes really just an web-app? -- dave _ Conheça o Windows Live Spaces, a rede de relacionamentos do Messenger! http://www.amigosdomessenger.com.br/ Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Chrome Comic Parodies
This is my favorite: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/02/google_chrome_comic_funnies/ Buy more blue paint! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=32666 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Hyperbolic Trees
InXight (a Xerox Parc spinoff that was later acquired by Business Objects(BO)) has had a product out there for a long time (I believe it predates Thinkmap and the sourceforge efforts). They called it StarTree. It was very nice but the license was expensive (more than $15K back in 2002-ish); don't know what BO charges for it now. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=32709 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Returned mail: Data format error
Konrad, I think your best bet is Dreamweaver CS3. The interface is good. It also includes the Adobe's Ajax framework, Spry, so you can acheive some fairly complex UI prototypes. The ajax and html code also isn't bad for small to midisize sites and you probably do not want to use the code for enterprise level sites. If you never have used the tool, Adobe has some great tutorials on their site. Hope this helps and what you were looking for. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=32712 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
[IxDA Discuss] Fonts and paper prototyping
A colleague and I had an interesting discussion yesterday and I was wondering if anyone on this list has relevant experience to share or has seen publications on this topic. We are creating paper prototypes for a change in software. We want to keep them sketchy looking for obvious reasons. My colleague felt we should use a font such as chalkboard or comic sans to keep the loose and sketchy feeling and won't look like a finished interface. My response is to use something like Arial or Myriad since it no longer has any particular connotations and people won't have any reaction to it positively or negatively. Any experience with this or thoughts on the subject? Thanks! -- Janna C. Kimel, JK Consulting Career: Design Research/User Experience Volunteer: Co Vice-Chair OR-IDSA Blogging: http://seenheardnoticed.blogspot.com/ Motto: Be the change you want to see in the world. -Gandhi Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Hyperbolic Trees
If you're just trying to graph data (network in particular) in
different visualization styles, you could try yFILES:
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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Interview with Google Chrome Team
On Sep 6, 2008, at 9:33 PM, Andrei Herasimchuk wrote: That's where the breakdown occurs for me. Web apps currently work in an SDI mode, and a fairly limited SDI mode at that. You can't take over the keyboard interaction, you can't make floating palettes or slave windows that are aware of each other to pass data via a common pipe, and you can't do other things like use OS alerts, OS dialogs, etc. And web apps in that SDI model have to worry abut the address bar, the back button, and other browsing interactions resident inside a web browser that have nothing to do with more tool oriented application interactions. Yah, yah, yah. However... First: Gears could do those things and does some of them already. One of the things from the interview I found interesting was that Chrome is optimized for Gears, but Gears is also a middle-ware package for the other browsers. I think that's a fascinating strategy to make things work. Second: I'm betting that somewhere between 65% and 80% of the applications that are built today *could* operate in an SDI model. Granted, it's nice to have floating windows, but apps with those types of interaction modalities are fairly advanced. UPS, for example, doesn't need that kind of interaction model for their WorldShip app, which is sophisticated in functionality, but straight forward in terms of the demand on UI modalities. Even something as sophisticated as Salesforce can get away with an SDI model for 90% of what people try to do with it. (And Flash/Flex/AIR can provide the rest.) Not everyone builds a sophisticated tool for manipulating artwork. Many just build tools for manipulating customer data. But there is a big difference between Chrome being Browser #4 and Chrome being a new application platform that happens to use OpenSource web technologies but plans on making a clean break from being a browser. As I'm sure you might have guessed... I wish they'd do the latter. There's a third possibility, which is what I heard in the interview: Chrome is a stimulus for a competitive response by the other big browser producers. It came out that Sergei Brin/Google would consider Chrome a success if MS IE9 adopted the core components from the Chrome open source set. I think that's really where I think this is heading and why I'm excited about it. Jared Jared M. Spool User Interface Engineering 510 Turnpike St., Suite 102, North Andover, MA 01845 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] p: +1 978 327 5561 http://uie.com Blog: http://uie.com/brainsparks Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Interview with Google Chrome Team
On Sep 6, 2008, at 6:59 PM, Jared Spool wrote: Not everyone builds a sophisticated tool for manipulating artwork. Many just build tools for manipulating customer data. Agreed. Like I said... Photoshop Lightroom is largely an SDI model type of application, and it's pretty intense with the rich interaction model it follows inside the confines of SDI. If you haven't used it, go grab the 30 day trial download to see what I mean. But there are plenty of examples that aren't. Some light, some heavy. Instant Messenger applications are relatively light apps that work a ton better outside the SDI confines. The WebSketch product example would as well. Many industrial strength enterprise apps would benefit immensely from being web technology based but built outside the SDI confines. We also helped design an enterprise application for Agile Software (who were acquired by Oracle last year), which is a prime example of something that needed a multiple window environment. The application was a document management and project workflow product where you had to track thousands of parts that go into building physical products. We ended up having to do a lot of custom work to make it happen so windows could talk to each other). There a ton of enterprise level applications that are quite simply *begging* for such an development environment. There's a third possibility, which is what I heard in the interview: Chrome is a stimulus for a competitive response by the other big browser producers. It came out that Sergei Brin/Google would consider Chrome a success if MS IE9 adopted the core components from the Chrome open source set. I heard that too... but that doesn't change the browser paradigm, it only really makes it more robust at the tech level, which helps it somewhat at the interaction level, but not in the core mode it operates. In other words, an intense, interaction rich product like Lightroom could someday be built in that new platform with that more robust engine, but in the end, it's *still* SDI. -- Andrei Herasimchuk Principal, Involution Studios innovating the digital world e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] c. +1 408 306 6422 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Disability Discrimination Act and AJAX
Great article, Caroline! Thanks for that. I work with a guy who teaches people with low vision and blindness to use those assistive technologies, and I lean on him for that kind of insight. But I don't recall ever reading it anywhere, and I have looked! I regularly consult resources published by the RNIB, AFB, WebAIM and others, because accessibility is a high priority for me. Anyway, I think more people would make an effort to think and code accessibly if they could gain some small measure of the understanding you have. Please keep it up! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=32646 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Interview with Google Chrome Team
On Sep 6, 2008, at 8:41 PM, Daniel Szuc wrote: What if Chrome was simply a stepping stone towards a Google OS? What if some of the principles in the Google apps to date suggest not having to rely on the need for deeper functions? One trend is to be able to serve up applications that have a few key simple functions that people use more regularly with the ability to switch on more features as needed. What's interesting about the interview is that the product manager said that the reason there is no Mac or Linux version yet is that they've optimized the existing beta heavily to Windows. He also said that Android, which *is* a Google OS, isn't using Chrome for the same reason. They are using the same rendering engine, WebKit, but have different UIs and components because their OS environment is very different. I thought that was very interesting and telling about Google's view. Jared Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
