Re: [IxDA Discuss] Bike-sharing design

2009-07-08 Thread Ferran Alvarez
Hi,

Barcelona's got 'Bicing' (http://www.bicing.com) and its main
problem right now it's vandalism and the cost that this entails.

Ferran


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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Bike-sharing design

2009-07-08 Thread Niklas Mortensen
Hi,

Oslo has the same system as Barcelona, developed by the talented
people at Frost Produkt (www.frostprodukt.com), and apart from the
obvious vandalism the solution itself is quite slick in my humble
opinion.

The system uses a personal RFID card (yearly subscription of
%u20AC10, no code), and you are able to use the bikes for 3 hours at
a time. If you fail to return the bikes after 3 hours you get a
penalty. after three penalties your card is de-activated. There are
also more temporary subscriptions available for tourists.

The bike-racks have a built-in mobile-device that alerts the
bike-truck drivers whenever a rack is empty, when it's full, and
when a bike is put back straight away (meaning it's probably broken).
This data is continually monitored to keep the balance of vacant
bikes/vacant racks throughout the city at any given time.

In conjunction with the hardware there are various
web/mobile-based services telling users where they can find vacant
bikes or vacant racks.

all in all a very good service for %u20AC10 a year.

niklas


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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Bike-sharing design

2009-07-08 Thread Niklas Mortensen
the %u20AC10 is supposed to be the Euro-symbol. 10 Euros is the
annual subscription fee.


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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Bike-sharing design

2009-07-08 Thread Benjamin Ho
Just skimming a few of these solutions - looks like they're all
trying to be automated but they're failing on many points.

One of the things I'd be concerned with is bicycle fit.  If the
bicycle doesn't fit you, you cannot ride it.  So how do all these
systems address this issue?

Sounds like every station needs a person for this to work
effectively.  Of course the costs may go higher, but at least you're
getting what you pay for.



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[IxDA Discuss] Bike-sharing design

2009-07-07 Thread Pietro Desiato
I have been trying bike-sharing service in Rome and I think it is
quite a good idea. There are some weak points in the process though
and I'd like to ask if you guys know how other contexts solved them.


Some details about the service in Rome (www.roma-n-bike.com):

1. You get a refillable card linked to an online account
2. Some places in the center have stations wre you can get a bike.
You have to use your card to get one.
3. Costs: 0,5 euro cent per half an hour

These are the issues I have encountered:

- I took a bike with a flat tire

- Out-of-order stations would not allow me to leave the bike and I
had to pay in the meanwhile

- Some offices had ran out of subscription cards...

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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Bike-sharing design

2009-07-07 Thread Mike Myles
The City Bikes of Copenhagen have been around for quite a few years,
and are very heavily used by locals and tourists. They use airless
tires, so there is no chance of a flat. Here is an example of a
company that makes those - www.airfreetires.com

That would solve one of your problems.


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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Bike-sharing design

2009-07-07 Thread Maria Gabriela Garcia
Hi Pietro, 

I would use a credit card two times, first when you get the bike in
station A, and second when you return the bike in station B or the
same one. By this way you could have metrics about how users move in
the city with shared bikes, and time metrics. Also, you are forced to
use your credit card again when you return it, if you don´t used your
credit card the second time you would be charged for the cost of the
bike...a way to prevent from steeling. 
I lived in Amsterdam in the 80´s and I know there was a lot ot stolen
bikes.
Cari saluti!


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