Re: [IxDA Discuss] Creative Navigation
I would love to get IxDA'ers opinions because many of my readers do not agree with my assessment... (but I feel they are missing my point). Responding purely in the spirit of your point, I agree there's value in this idea. In many situations, persistent navigation... well, it sucks. It takes up space and demands peripheral attention. Think of the parallels with a printed book: a book's table of contents and index are always available with a quick flip of the wrist, but stay out of sight out of mind unless you want them. Similarly here. http://www.maroon5.com/hi_fi/ Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
[IxDA Discuss] Creative Navigation
I'm not trying to drive people to my blog (I have enough traffic now), but I posted a very short entry highlighting what I feel is a very creative navigation method. http://www.dexodesign.com/2008/02/creative-navigation.html I would love to get IxDA'ers opinions because many of my readers do not agree with my assessment... (but I feel they are missing my point). If you are interested, please take a look - navigation is one of my key interests, and I highly value the opinions of the people on this list. Thanks, Russ blog: http://www.dexodesign.com/blog.html Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Creative Navigation
I thought it was a really nice site and I like the design. I can see that there might be come confusions about the fact that the orange arrow leads to the menu. Perhaps it should have a word like menu on it or something to make it clear that it is clickable. The visual design is really nice (as is the visual design of your blog) and it is nice that the menu goes away and does not clutter the screen when it is not needed. I think the reader who gave the design a solid C is being rather harsh. Best, Charlie (snowed-in in Princeton, NJ) Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Creative Navigation
It was attractive, but the orange arrow definitely some Fitt's issues. The arrow is decent size - but if you didn't tell me - I would have had no idea that that launched navigation. It's not that the site content on the main page is so busy with imagery and content that there is even a need to hide the navigation. It's just sitting on top a static image - so it's not like it's distracting from a fantastic animated experience of Linsey Lohan nude, or Britney doing the perp walk - so why hide the nav bar? On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 12:48 PM, Charles B. Kreitzberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought it was a really nice site and I like the design. I can see that there might be come confusions about the fact that the orange arrow leads to the menu. Perhaps it should have a word like menu on it or something to make it clear that it is clickable. The visual design is really nice (as is the visual design of your blog) and it is nice that the menu goes away and does not clutter the screen when it is not needed. I think the reader who gave the design a solid C is being rather harsh. Best, Charlie (snowed-in in Princeton, NJ) Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help -- ~ will No matter how beautiful, no matter how cool your interface, it would be better if there were less of it. Alan Cooper - Where you innovate, how you innovate, and what you innovate are design problems --- will evans user experience architect [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Creative Navigation
I think it gets some benefit of the doubt as an entertainment site as well. Scott -- 'Life' plus 'significance' = magic. ~ Grant Morrison Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Creative Navigation
That specific implementation aside, I like the idea of 'collapsed navigation' in certain situations. As Will implies - there are certain times when navigation could be less important than other content on the screen. For public websites, it seems a little risky. But for complex apps that serve a niche user base and are used frequently, I like the concept of get stuff out of my way and let me do my job. They'd quickly learn how the navigation works. Jeff On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 12:56 PM, W Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was attractive, but the orange arrow definitely some Fitt's issues. The arrow is decent size - but if you didn't tell me - I would have had no idea that that launched navigation. It's not that the site content on the main page is so busy with imagery and content that there is even a need to hide the navigation. It's just sitting on top a static image - so it's not like it's distracting from a fantastic animated experience of Linsey Lohan nude, or Britney doing the perp walk - so why hide the nav bar? On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 12:48 PM, Charles B. Kreitzberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought it was a really nice site and I like the design. I can see that there might be come confusions about the fact that the orange arrow leads to the menu. Perhaps it should have a word like menu on it or something to make it clear that it is clickable. The visual design is really nice (as is the visual design of your blog) and it is nice that the menu goes away and does not clutter the screen when it is not needed. I think the reader who gave the design a solid C is being rather harsh. Best, Charlie (snowed-in in Princeton, NJ) Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help -- ~ will No matter how beautiful, no matter how cool your interface, it would be better if there were less of it. Alan Cooper - Where you innovate, how you innovate, and what you innovate are design problems --- will evans user experience architect [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Creative Navigation
Scott's right - if it's intended audience is younger (than me), entertainment site, and they added some beefed up flash on the home - like concert footage or something - plus Britney doing a perp walk - it's pretty cool :-) On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Jeff White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That specific implementation aside, I like the idea of 'collapsed navigation' in certain situations. As Will implies - there are certain times when navigation could be less important than other content on the screen. For public websites, it seems a little risky. But for complex apps that serve a niche user base and are used frequently, I like the concept of get stuff out of my way and let me do my job. They'd quickly learn how the navigation works. Jeff On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 12:56 PM, W Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was attractive, but the orange arrow definitely some Fitt's issues. The arrow is decent size - but if you didn't tell me - I would have had no idea that that launched navigation. It's not that the site content on the main page is so busy with imagery and content that there is even a need to hide the navigation. It's just sitting on top a static image - so it's not like it's distracting from a fantastic animated experience of Linsey Lohan nude, or Britney doing the perp walk - so why hide the nav bar? On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 12:48 PM, Charles B. Kreitzberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought it was a really nice site and I like the design. I can see that there might be come confusions about the fact that the orange arrow leads to the menu. Perhaps it should have a word like menu on it or something to make it clear that it is clickable. The visual design is really nice (as is the visual design of your blog) and it is nice that the menu goes away and does not clutter the screen when it is not needed. I think the reader who gave the design a solid C is being rather harsh. Best, Charlie (snowed-in in Princeton, NJ) Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help -- ~ will No matter how beautiful, no matter how cool your interface, it would be better if there were less of it. Alan Cooper - Where you innovate, how you innovate, and what you innovate are design problems --- will evans user experience architect [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help -- ~ will No matter how beautiful, no matter how cool your interface, it would be better if there were less of it. Alan Cooper - Where you innovate, how you innovate, and what you innovate are design problems --- will evans user experience architect [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Creative Navigation
I think the reader who gave the design a solid C is being rather harsh. I'm primarily a front end developer, so I look at things like making sites inaccessible as a bad thing. This site is inaccessible, when it doesn't need to be... At least the lo-fi version of the site could (or should) have accessible navigation so that people can use it. This isn't just an issue for people who use assistive technology - it would be inaccessible on a mobile phone (barring iPhone's touch screen) for the same reason. I think it is a bit naïve of the coders to have not taken this into account, in both coding and UI terms. I actually quite like the look and style navigation overall, btw :) Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Creative Navigation
What's interesting to me is the diversity of opinions expressed about the navigation technique, Russ. Clearly, very few people understand the principles of (or need for) accessibility in web design. I agree with the points made by Ian, the guy who gave it a C, but I give it a D for the same reasons James Leslie explained above. If you hover over the triangle in the low bandwidth version _first_, then you can tab through the navigation functionally. But if you think some people are confused about how to find the nav while _looking_ at the page, try adding vision impairment into the equation. The concept is cool (which I think was Kelsea's point in directing you to it in the first place), but it can be done just as well with CSS and a bit of javascript using an unordered list that degrades gracefully. That would rate an A from me for both design and function. In fact, it looks to me as if the chief argument for using Flash on that site was that the developer had Flash and took the easy way out. To one whose only tool is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=26313 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Creative Navigation
I intuitively jumped to the area to the right of the triangle, not the triangle itself. Was there anything else to do on the page? No idea. But, to your original question, check out http://www.etsy.com and the different ways to shop. We've been using many of these as inspiration recently, with an eye towards figuring out how to mobilize some of it. (ours won't look anything like theirs) On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 10:06 AM, Russell Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not trying to drive people to my blog (I have enough traffic now), but I posted a very short entry highlighting what I feel is a very creative navigation method. http://www.dexodesign.com/2008/02/creative-navigation.html -- Barbara Ballard [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1-785-838-3003 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Creative Navigation
On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:56:50, Jeff Seager [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clearly, very few people understand the principles of (or need for) accessibility in web design. But sometimes it's not needed - like enterprise web apps that live in a very controlled environment. This is the context in which I work. Everything is in a browser, but browser compatibility and accessibility just don't matter. I think Russ was trying to explore the concept itself - navigation thats not always there, but can be accessed when you need it. Not the pros and cons of that specific implementation. Jeff Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Creative Navigation
Russell, I understand what your point is and do agree with you that it's a different approach to navigation design. I too didn't have an issue figuring out that hovering over or clicking on the orange triangle would do *something*--I wasn't sure what but that doesn't bother me on an entertainment site. On sites such as these I think we need to consider that the Maroon 5 fan is looking for a unique EXPERIENCE. There are things about the Green Day website (http://www.greenday.com/greenday.html) that are similarly unusable%u2014the positioning on the navigation shifts from section to section%u2014but I enjoyed the graphic experience and taking my time to explore. It's not like I'm in desperate need to find bio information about the band and, OMG, I can't find it! I'll never come back to this site again! On the other hand, if an e-commerce site tried something like this I would be confused/annoyed that the navigation was concealed (Maroon 5) or always shifting (Green Day). From an IA and usability standpoint, I have issues with both sites but I know that you are isolating this to a creative navigation/experience/visual design conversation. So, I'll compartmentalize. :) Cheers, Nikki Roberg Information Architect . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=26313 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
