Re: [IxDA Discuss] Surface-like interface: without using flash
This is like going down the path where flash has been there, done that. Few years back, everyone used to love these fancy Flash websites. Things move around, fly past, jump, bounce etc. Why? because it was easier to do it with flash. Thats the past, everyone has realised that all of this does not add any value to users (remember those days when you waited for so long for the website to load and all it did was started playing an intro with skip intro button?) So to make it short, I think its an overkill to make javascript do these fancy animations. Javascript can be put to better use then this :) btw. This is not new, if anyone here remembers DYNAPI. It was possible to do these things way back in 2000 (or earlier maybe). On this thought, I was surprised to see that DYNAPI still lives, but never became as popular as Prototype or Moo tools. Why??? -- Sajid On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 10:15 PM, Mike Myles mmyles2...@yahoo.com wrote: It feels like I'm using an old microfiche reader. I'm not crazy about either of the two example sites, but the approach has potential. I could see using it for image browsing, or navigating a large map or floor plan. In those instances a zoom out capability would be useful to see the entire page. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=39775 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Surface-like interface: without using flash
This is not new, if anyone here remembers DYNAPI. It was possible to do these things way back in 2000 (or earlier maybe). Indeed. Bi-directionally scrolling the browser viewport with JS has been possible (and used) for quite a lng time now. I strongly disagree on 'no value added', though. One size does not fit for all. Never. See e. g. http://www.fonshickmann.com where panning and scrolling is IMHO rather thoughfully and consistently used (including nice details like employing it for stop-motion animation). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=39775 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Surface-like interface: without using flash
Not sure I agree that pannable interfaces like this are not useful for retail. Retail isn't always about the purchase or acquisition task - it can be about 'immersive', exploratory interfaces too. Some more inspiration can be found at the universally useful Konigi [1] John [1] http://konigi.com/interface/tags/pannable-user-interface-pui . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=39775 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
[IxDA Discuss] Surface-like interface: without using flash
This is an interesting model of navigation [1]. A movement analogy, but this implementation - as much as I can tell - is CSS-powered rather than Java. Granted [1] is a simple portfolio site but I like the approach to directional navigation. It provides a real sense of moving about an environment, the second [2] site is a little less simplistic and I consequently doesn't work quite as nicely. More stuff like this please people John. [1] http://melissahie.com/ http://melissahie.com/ [2] http://www.annekejanneke.be/#go_nieuws Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Surface-like interface: without using flash
interesting. i think with the first site you mean javascript, not java. i don't think the css provides the animation. it is nice and smooth though. i'm curious to see how it functions with javascript disabled. the second site is a little chaotic and unfocused for my taste, but an interesting idea. nice ideas, but need some slight improvements in some elements. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=39775 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Surface-like interface: without using flash
Both are using javascript libraries, not java and not so much 'css-powered' ... although in the second case, the whole page gives the user an idea of the horizontal scroll by virtue of the scrollbar, while the first does not implement a scrollbar. Both of these actually have similar approaches, but floating the navigation persistently on the second one actually keeps the context a little more consistent. In particular the second one is really one large page and simply uses anchors to move around. I'm guessing the javascript is giving the more pleasing scroll animation to the movement. IMHO, while they are interesting approaches, I wouldn't want to see a whole lot more of this. Other than the visual novelty of panning through content, I'm not sure what the added value is for the user. In fact, other than a simple portfolio, I would think that information rich sites would start to breakdown quickly as users had to scroll vast areas of the page. James On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 11:04 AM, john at smorgasbord-design. co. uk j...@smorgasbord-design.co.uk wrote: This is an interesting model of navigation [1]. A movement analogy, but this implementation - as much as I can tell - is CSS-powered rather than Java. Granted [1] is a simple portfolio site but I like the approach to directional navigation. It provides a real sense of moving about an environment, the second [2] site is a little less simplistic and I consequently doesn't work quite as nicely. More stuff like this please people John. [1] http://melissahie.com/ http://melissahie.com/ [2] http://www.annekejanneke.be/#go_nieuws Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Surface-like interface: without using flash
One further point, which frustrated me a lot upon a second look ... the first one completely lacks the ability to navigate. Once you start from the landing page, the javascript slider is hiding and displaying divs as the user clicks the one prescribed link on each page or div. The problem with this is that it forces the user to go exactly where the site wants them to. An important feature of a web site is that the user should be in control of browsing through all relevant information as they see fit, with navigation aiding their experience, not killing it. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=39775 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Surface-like interface: without using flash
Ok, ok, so I was thinking more about the *concept* of 360 degree movement rather than the specific executions which - although interesting - are not particularly great. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=39775 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Surface-like interface: without using flash
From my perspective: - This particular site's navigation is not useful for retail, education, or any of a number of things - and luckily its purpose is none of those. It's a display of skill and creativity by a recent graduate who's apparently highly versed in front-end coding. Her strengths are design and development, not IA or UX or interaction design. This may change in her future, but I don't think she should be blamed for having fun with her personal site. - Depending on the site and the company, I've seen Java, Javascript, flash, and various combinations thereof used to design navigation. CSS is a great alternative to all of the above for attractive, dynamic menus, and it's *searchable*. Showing me you can make CSS do more than is normally required is a good thing for a portfolio site. Personally I loved the feeling of being panned over a large, visually appealing interactive poster. I'd hire her for front-end coding and graphic design in a heartbeat if I could, and train her in information science. If she could be turned, she could be a powerful ally for interaction design ;-) bests, Alex O'Neal UX manager -- The best time to plant a tree is twenty years ago. The next best time is now. Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] Surface-like interface: without using flash
Hi John, See also crumpler.com.au - it is Flash, but it is equally as annoying. Best regards, Andrew On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 5:04 AM, j...@smorgasbord-design.co.uk wrote: This is an interesting model of navigation [1]. A movement analogy, but this implementation - as much as I can tell - is CSS-powered rather than Java. Granted [1] is a simple portfolio site but I like the approach to directional navigation. It provides a real sense of moving about an environment, the second [2] site is a little less simplistic and I consequently doesn't work quite as nicely. More stuff like this please people John. [1] http://melissahie.com/ http://melissahie.com/ [2] http://www.annekejanneke.be/#go_nieuws Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help -- --- Andrew Boyd http://uxaustralia.com.au -- UX Australia Conference Canberra 2009 http://uxbookclub.org -- connect, read, discuss http://govux.org -- the government user experience forum http://resilientnationaustralia.org Resilient Nation Australia Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
