Re: [IxDA Discuss] The Millenials are coming
I found the Millenial coverage interesting on a couple levels and I think some of the overtones directly relate to our field. One theme was that the workforce is becoming increasingly selfish and I see this happening in lots of contexts not just limited to the newest generation. As the collective workforce shifts from what can I do for the company to what can the company do for me, I believe the demand for quality interaction design will also continue to increase. Here is some anecdotal evidence ... In usability studies you've probably witnessed members of the older generation sitting in front of an interface and determinedly trying to figure it out. If they can't figure it out they are tempted to blame themselves and/or work harder at trying to figure it out. However the newer generation can very quickly judge the interface; they either get it or it sucks. Unless those users are properly incentivized to want to figure something out, they won't bother. I believe effective interface design is essential for this emerging generation. We also see this in the consumerization of the workplace. Users both young and old are better understanding what is possible with technology (i.e. Google) and they are now demanding / expecting that level of sophistication in the tools they use at work (and at home). As this trend continues I believe the demand for what we do will continue to increase. Anyway this is nothing ground breaking, but perhaps a positive message for all of us ... Cheers, Ben- *Come to IxDA Interaction08 | Savannah* February 8-10, 2008 in Savannah, GA, USA Register today: http://interaction08.ixda.org/ Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] The Millenials are coming
It seems to me the millenials, who grew up in a time when the country became even more dysfunctional, have zero expectations of positive response from society at large or the company. They're used to bypassing complete dysfunction in order to find the one option that works. I think their intolerance of bad interface, and slavish workplaces, reflects that and is probably a positive development for a society that can drive itself too hard toward consumer and work-oriented goals. --- Benjamin Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However the newer generation can very quickly judge the interface; they either get it or it sucks. http://technical-writing.dionysius.com/ technical writing | consulting | development Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ *Come to IxDA Interaction08 | Savannah* February 8-10, 2008 in Savannah, GA, USA Register today: http://interaction08.ixda.org/ Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] The Millenials are coming
I'd just be happy if society could settle on a name for my generation. I might lower my workspace standards and be more tolerant of obnoxious software in return. =) Matt . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://gamma.ixda.org/discuss?post=22634 *Come to IxDA Interaction08 | Savannah* February 8-10, 2008 in Savannah, GA, USA Register today: http://interaction08.ixda.org/ Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] The Millenials are coming
I like that definition. I'm not sure you can divorce politics from any human endeavor. --- tripodell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway - not sure if you can divorce politics from design. (OLPC is a great example) Design is an essentially human endevor - an iterative process of optimizing an experience for a fundamentally flawed user. http://technical-writing.dionysius.com/ technical writing | consulting | development Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs *Come to IxDA Interaction08 | Savannah* February 8-10, 2008 in Savannah, GA, USA Register today: http://interaction08.ixda.org/ Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] The Millenials are coming
This was my thought as well. I am old enough to have heard many sermons about the 'me generation' when the target was baby boomers. The millennials piece could very well have been lifted directly out of one of those 'How to Manage Gen X' books; changing the Gen X terminology to 'millennial'. A company has to have a pretty high margin (or a lot of slave labor) to coddle inexperienced employees without going broke in the process. Reeling this back to a business discussion, unless we are inclined to think that the fundamentals of business (competition, profitability) have been repealed, we will see millennials adapt to business culture or be faced with a lot of extra time to climb Mount Everest. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Nish-Lapidus Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 2:08 PM To: Joseph Selbie Cc: IxDA Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] The Millenials are coming Does every generation say that of the one older than them? And vice-versa? This doesn't seem like anything new to me *Come to IxDA Interaction08 | Savannah* February 8-10, 2008 in Savannah, GA, USA Register today: http://interaction08.ixda.org/ Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] The Millenials are coming
I think this article gives a more accurate view of the needs/wants of Millenials: http://hiring.fastcompany.com/columns/taugustine/20071015.html On Nov 16, 2007 6:27 AM, Billy Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This was my thought as well. I am old enough to have heard many sermons about the 'me generation' when the target was baby boomers. The millennials piece could very well have been lifted directly out of one of those 'How to Manage Gen X' books; changing the Gen X terminology to 'millennial'. A company has to have a pretty high margin (or a lot of slave labor) to coddle inexperienced employees without going broke in the process. Reeling this back to a business discussion, unless we are inclined to think that the fundamentals of business (competition, profitability) have been repealed, we will see millennials adapt to business culture or be faced with a lot of extra time to climb Mount Everest. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Nish-Lapidus Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 2:08 PM To: Joseph Selbie Cc: IxDA Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] The Millenials are coming Does every generation say that of the one older than them? And vice-versa? This doesn't seem like anything new to me *Come to IxDA Interaction08 | Savannah* February 8-10, 2008 in Savannah, GA, USA Register today: http://interaction08.ixda.org/ Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help -- Adrian Chong www.adrianchong.com/blog *Come to IxDA Interaction08 | Savannah* February 8-10, 2008 in Savannah, GA, USA Register today: http://interaction08.ixda.org/ Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] The Millenials are coming
I remember when this was the talk regarding Gen-Xer's (only because that's my generation). I'm sure the baby boomers and others before me heard about how their generation was worse than their parents. I think it's just to get ratings. Next decade another story will emerge. Personally, I haven't encountered this. In fact, didn't even know my co-workers were in their 20's until they told me. Very professional and hard-working. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=22634 *Come to IxDA Interaction08 | Savannah* February 8-10, 2008 in Savannah, GA, USA Register today: http://interaction08.ixda.org/ Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] The Millenials are coming
I remember when my generation was described this way, waaay back in 1984, the year I graduated from high school. Unfortunately, the stock market crashed in 87 and the recession dragged out into the early 90s. By that time, battered by lack of opportunity, we'd become Gen X - a bunch of nihilistic slackers. God help the millenials if they find themselves in the same situation. I don't think they'd have the skills to cope. On 11/15/07, Joseph Selbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert wrote: Some of them are the greatest generation. They're more hardworking. They have these tools to get things done, she explains. They are enormously clever and resourceful. -- Nancy -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Come to IxDA Interaction08 | Savannah* February 8-10, 2008 in Savannah, GA, USA Register today: http://interaction08.ixda.org/ Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] The Millenials are coming
I agree. Thank you for some sanity on this topic. The good things about millenials are the computer literacy, the desire to do something right even if it's not rewarded, and the want for more time off and better working conditions. The bad: the selfishness, lack of understanding of the technology beneath the visuals, and they take Twitter seriously. --- Jeffrey D. Gimzek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They're not any different from us genX-ers. http://technical-writing.dionysius.com/ technical writing | consulting | development Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ *Come to IxDA Interaction08 | Savannah* February 8-10, 2008 in Savannah, GA, USA Register today: http://interaction08.ixda.org/ Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] The Millenials are coming
Thanks for this, Will...my first reaction was more or less about how silly the article is and I started a general commentary on politics, etc. I realized that was the point of the article (to get one's gander up), so I didn't respond... Speaking of politically charged semantic power words...I think articles like this are dangerous only insomuch as they oversimplify classes of people to those who may have an impact on design. I'm thinking mostly of executives and a designer's potential customers. Articles like this circulated frequently at my last job and folks started reacting to them with sweeping changes to IT projects. Don't do that because the seniors won't be able to read it, Make it look like the movie Se7en to appeal to the Gen Xers...now there'll be Keep it loose and make the millenials feel good. If assumptions like these were ever truly accurate, we could write most of our personas in 5 words: Type A's Yuppies Millenials Seniors Boomers Wouldn't life be grand if we all just did what are caricatures said we should? - Bryan http://www.bryanminihan.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Evans Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 8:24 PM To: tripodell Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] The Millenials are coming Let's not let this discussion become political or religious. Its about IxD and use of politically charged semantic power words is most unwelcome. will evans user experience architect [EMAIL PROTECTED] 617.281.1281 *Come to IxDA Interaction08 | Savannah* February 8-10, 2008 in Savannah, GA, USA Register today: http://interaction08.ixda.org/ Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
